It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!

[TVC15]

Rogue One was a stinker by stink man Gareth Edwards.

I really respected you once. Coachella 2014 was fun as hell. This shit though?

R1 was terrible. His Godzilla was terrible. He can do some good visuals, but that doesn’t mean much when you have large deficits in other areas.

[Momo]

Saw it last night, I dont care enough about SW to type out meaningful critique so let me just say that movie was fucking laughable, holy shit

[Trurl]

Momo, why do you have to be so mean?

[Mupepe]

I paid 230 rupees to see it in the oldest cinema in Mumbai and besides the worn out seats being uncomfortable as fuck, I really liked it.

[fistfulofmetal]

Saw this yesterday morning. Been thinking about it ever since. I don't think it's as much of a crowd pleaser as TFA was, but I find TLJ to be a more interesting film. Has more to say and does more with the characters. I liked the simple core of the story with the Republic being chased by the FO. I don't really care about the logic surrounding it because it doesn't matter really. Also - I enjoyed that the film leans harder into the WW2 aesthetic, similar to R1.

Reading through some of the impressions so far, I agree with a lot that's been said both positive and negative. The only aspect of the film I really didn't like was the entire Casino Planet interlude which was just a big nothing. Problem is, that motivates the entire rest of the film so it gives me conflicting thoughts.

[Marhunchy]

JJ gets Star Wars. Rian doesn't.

That said, I have no problem with Rey being no one. Anakin was no one as well initially.

I 100% believe that is just for Disney to be able to make Star Wars movies from now till the end of time with force users popping up as marketing studies and merchandising forecasts allow. Not that Lucas was a saint in that regard, but Disney is just on another level.

Can't wait for the never ending tv series that's coming out exclusively on the new Disney streaming platform 

[Joe Molotov]

Star Wars fatigue bores $220 Million out of audiences, not even the highest grossing weekend of all time.

[ZombieSupaStar]

I actually dreamed about how much I hate this movie I havent seen.

[Himu]

Besides Luke's death, best scene in the movie.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/7keqpx/full_conversation_between_luke_and/

[Freyj]

Besides Luke's death, best scene in the movie.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/7keqpx/full_conversation_between_luke_and/

Easily the best scene. Jolting compared to the stuff around it.

[seagrams hotsauce]

Man, imagine if Trevorrow still had to write and direct a follow-up to this? He probably resigned rather than the assumption he got fired. He’d have to have real human thoughts to bring the situation as-is to a close.

Lol what? Like the real human feelings of 'dumb as shit' possessed by every character in Jurassic World?

[Himu]

Man, imagine if Trevorrow still had to write and direct a follow-up to this? He probably resigned rather than the assumption he got fired. He’d have to have real human thoughts to bring the situation as-is to a close.

Lol what? Like the real human feelings of 'dumb as shit' possessed by every character in Jurassic World?

That's his point, bb

[Bebpo]

Besides Luke's death, best scene in the movie.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/7keqpx/full_conversation_between_luke_and/

Yeah, those were good. I'd put those, the Snokes/Rey/Ren scene and the hot shirtless Ren/Rey exchanges all together as the best scenes.


Still thinking about the movie today, really stuck with me.

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The more I think about it the more I really like the core plot and how what the characters are trying to accomplish sometimes works, sometimes fails and sometimes goes in ways they didn't expect. Like how the Rebellion is pinning their every hope on Luke and in the end if you break it down to what actually accomplished their goals it was a combination of Dern (escape ships) +Luke (stalling) +Rey (moving rocks). The way the story ends up is fairly unpredictable.

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Two technical sci-fi nitpicks I have though:

1. The light speed tracker being the key point that puts the story in motion, yet how it came to be and works is never explained which is kinda bogus.

2. If a cruiser can lightspeed suicide attack a bigger ship and cut it in half, why haven't they been doing this for years? Death star? No problem, let's just lightspeed a few ships through its core! Like that seems broken overpowered for the star wars universe as there doesn't seem any defense against it.

[Freyj]

I think we had already seen TFA twice by this point two years ago, but I'm sort of afraid of seeing TLJ again because I think I'd think even less of it than I already do (the RotJ of a lesser trilogy).

Being dragged into seeing R1 twice murdered any positive thoughts I had on it.

[eleuin]

Well at least it looked pretty 

Can't they just make a movie where dudes with cool laser melee weapons fight for 2 hours

And yeah that lightspeed suicide was some deus ex machina shit smh

[Bebpo]

Well at least it looked pretty 

Can't they just make a movie where dudes with cool laser melee weapons fight for 2 hours

I think there's two different camps of star wars fans. People who want cool lightsaber fights and x-wing action sequences, and people who want a character driven sci-fi talky drama. TFA was more the former, TLJ is more the latter. But obviously there's a middle ground somewhere. I mean TLJ has some cool lightsaber fights and opens with a giant space battle (sorta).

[team filler]

when you realize mark hamil had a better send off as Cocknocker in jay n silent bill, than in last jedis 

[eleuin]

I don't even think the TLJ did the talky drama very well. Some of it is expected as SW at its core is pulpy SciFi aimed at all ages. Even more than TFA though, TLJ's dialogue felt too on the nose.

I could even do without the vehicles battles at this point if they aren't doing something visually interesting like the salt fields. Generic grunts die while main characters repair damage and always end up outmanoeuvring the enemy. Throw in some obstacles like asteroid fields again. Come up with some starfighters that shoot different.

As for melee I'm talking The Raid where a dude just fights people wielding weapons like Snoke's bodyguards   

[Trurl]

I'm getting so freaking antsy for Half in the Bag.

[bluemax]

This movie felt like a poor attempt at creating Joss Whedon's Star Wars.

It was so tonally different from every other Star Wars movie that it felt completely off.

[Himu]

I think we had already seen TFA twice by this point two years ago, but I'm sort of afraid of seeing TLJ again because I think I'd think even less of it than I already do (the RotJ of a lesser trilogy).

Being dragged into seeing R1 twice murdered any positive thoughts I had on it.

I saw TFA in theaters about five times I think. That's how much I liked it. To go from that to TLJ where I don't even want to go to another showing is

[Himu]

Well at least it looked pretty 

Can't they just make a movie where dudes with cool laser melee weapons fight for 2 hours

I think there's two different camps of star wars fans. People who want cool lightsaber fights and x-wing action sequences, and people who want a character driven sci-fi talky drama. TFA was more the former, TLJ is more the latter. But obviously there's a middle ground somewhere. I mean TLJ has some cool lightsaber fights and opens with a giant space battle (sorta).

ESB is my favorite and it has all of what you described? So...?

[bluemax]

What did they walk back on?

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-Burn the Jedi texts and claim that good/evil/force exists beyond the Jedi/Resistance. Rey becomes "The Last Jedi" at the last second and the Resistance is reborn.
- Rey tries to convince Luke that "raw strength" with the force can be more than just evil. This isn't ever brought up again.
- Leia "dies" only to be brought back minutes later and completely make Poe's drawn-out story worthless.
-Overstay on Finn/Rose as they have to deal with profiteers and people who play both sides, it amounts to nothing.

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Rey actually stole the Jedi texts, they show them in a drawer on the Falcon when she's flying the remaining 10 resistance members out.

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Movie just had so much wasted shit going on. Benicio del Toro, total waste. Carrie Fisher, mostly a waste. Snoke, wasted. Laura Dern not telling anyone her plan and then Poe realizing its "Brilliance" later was pretty dumb. Phasma, pointless.

It felt like Rian Johnson was given a list of characters with rough attributes and no info about the overall world or what happened in the previous movie so he just ignored everything.

[Bebpo]

Well at least it looked pretty 

Can't they just make a movie where dudes with cool laser melee weapons fight for 2 hours

I think there's two different camps of star wars fans. People who want cool lightsaber fights and x-wing action sequences, and people who want a character driven sci-fi talky drama. TFA was more the former, TLJ is more the latter. But obviously there's a middle ground somewhere. I mean TLJ has some cool lightsaber fights and opens with a giant space battle (sorta).

ESB is my favorite and it has all of what you described? So...?

Well duh, that’s why ESB is the best!

This movie felt like a poor attempt at creating Joss Whedon's Star Wars.

It was so tonally different from every other Star Wars movie that it felt completely off.

C’mon that’s ridiculous. Whedon movies are silly whimsical with a bit of edge, TLJ is nothing like a whedon work. If you want to say TLJ is a poor man’s anything, than it’s a poor man’s attempt at ESB.

Also it’s not tonally different from all the SW films. ESB is similar. Rogue One as well if that counts.

[bluemax]

It felt way more like Whedon than ESB. That whole shit at the beginning with Poe trolling Hux was Whedon 101.

[Himu]

I thought Benicio's character could have been better. Lots of potential that goes nowhere. I fully expected him to double cross the First Order and be the one inside the AT ST and join them.

[Himu]

Well at least it looked pretty 

Can't they just make a movie where dudes with cool laser melee weapons fight for 2 hours

I think there's two different camps of star wars fans. People who want cool lightsaber fights and x-wing action sequences, and people who want a character driven sci-fi talky drama. TFA was more the former, TLJ is more the latter. But obviously there's a middle ground somewhere. I mean TLJ has some cool lightsaber fights and opens with a giant space battle (sorta).

ESB is my favorite and it has all of what you described? So...?

Well duh, that’s why ESB is the best!

This movie felt like a poor attempt at creating Joss Whedon's Star Wars.

It was so tonally different from every other Star Wars movie that it felt completely off.

C’mon that’s ridiculous. Whedon movies are silly whimsical with a bit of edge, TLJ is nothing like a whedon work. If you want to say TLJ is a poor man’s anything, than it’s a poor man’s attempt at ESB.

Also it’s not tonally different from all the SW films. ESB is similar. Rogue One as well if that counts.

This movie is nothing like Empire and the constant quips and one liners felt like it belonged in a Marvel. I'm fine they didn't go the Empire route. But what we got wasn't good either.

[Bebpo]

It felt way more like Whedon than ESB. That whole shit at the beginning with Poe trolling Hux was Whedon 101.

So because it has jokes to try to help lighten the dark, bleak and depressing tone, its Whedon like? It felt like the studio threw the constant jokes in because otherwise the movie would've been dark as fuck. But yeah, the quips were funny and sometimes witty, which I guess means they are like Whedon/Marvel because Whedon/Marvel jokes tend to be funny and sometimes witty.

I thought Benicio's character could have been better. Lots of potential that goes nowhere. I fully expected him to double cross the First Order and be the one inside the AT ST and join them.

His character felt underdeveloped, sure. I attributed that to his character being a part of Ep IX, so this is just half his story.

[sinxtanx]

I liked this better than TFA.

maybe don't get spoiled

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Yoda fuckin said it: "The greatest teacher, failure is."
I don't think there's any plan in this film with the exception of Luke's final gambit that does not fail in some way.
Dudes had to adapt under some intense pressure

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for me personally the eventual cakewalk victory in IX will be earned

I also fully agree with and don't really care about: all nitpicks

[Freyj]

I'm getting so freaking antsy for Half in the Bag.

They just posted a patreon update that they weren’t lying about their tickets getting fucked by fandango, but have seen it and filmed the review and are in the process of editing but it’s a lot to get through

[TVC15]

I take back what I said about Episode 9 maybe being good. I didn’t know the Justice League and BvS dude was writing it. This franchise is over.

[Bebpo]

Yeah, but Abrams is a good filmmaker and knows how to keep things in line. He's like the non-suck version of Michael Bay. I think it should at least be around TFA quality fun ride.

[Freyj]

I just don’t know what you can do with it that’s all that interesting regardless of the writer.

I have a feeling it’s going to double down on the kids / new hope / new characters business and just 

[Bebpo]

Have a film that throws out the jedi/sith and is just about people? Rey not becoming a jedi? Ren not just trying to take over everyone? Idk, there's a lot they can do from this point but who knows if they will do more than bad guys are bad, good guys form a rebel party team in one last chance to stop them.

[TVC15]

I just don’t know what you can do with it that’s all that interesting regardless of the writer.

I have a feeling it’s going to double down on the kids / new hope / new characters business and just 

Sounds like it’s time for a new Death Star.

[Joe Molotov]

2. If a cruiser can lightspeed suicide attack a bigger ship and cut it in half, why haven't they been doing this for years? Death star? No problem, let's just lightspeed a few ships through its core! Like that seems broken overpowered for the star wars universe as there doesn't seem any defense against it.

Yeah, I was thinking about that too. Like why didn’t they just use one of the other two Cruisers that they’d left behind already to do it? It doesn’t seem like the First Order could have stopped them.

But I’ve figured it out:

Interdictors to be introduced in Episode IX.

[Atramental]

[Himu]

Ah, the defense force brings awful reductionist memes, I see.

[CatsCatsCats]

Really liked it, don’t know what y’all wanted from it

[CatsCatsCats]

I just wish we got more info on Snoke but overall thought it was a fun ride 🤷‍♀️

edit: Oh bet Disney explains him in another Star Wars movie. You got me, take my money

[BlueTsunami]

Really liked it, don’t know what y’all wanted from it

Luke raw dogging one of those island nuns and force closes the hut door when Rey forgets to knock

[etiolate]

Snoke will get explanation in some CGI kids show.

I actually checked out The Clone Wars TV show and that made Anakin's whole story vibe with his character which didn't  happen in the films because the actors had no chemistry.

[CatsCatsCats]

I think Adam Driver does a great job in this movie too.

[Himu]

Really liked it, don’t know what y’all wanted from it

Good characters, no filler, a tone that doesn't take you out of the movie because it shifts from serious to lighthearted constantly to the point where nothing is taken seriously, consistent internal logic, better editing, better character motivations, non-distinguished mentally-challenged characters;etc

Luke is great though.

[team filler]

 

[Momo]

I think Adam Driver does a great job in this movie too.

I've seen Adam Driver in a bunch of stuff now, before i'd usually usually go in skeptical of his involvement, but he's completely won me over as an actor and i look for his films now. Silence sealed it for me

[Freyj]

He’s outstanding in Patterson.

[Freyj]

Also I loved TFA and if I remember Cindi did as well. That said I don’t think you need to play it that safe to make a good Star Wars movie.

I really can’t agree TLJ is risky either. Maybe Luke? But everyone keeps yelling about subverting expectations when the only expectation this really subverted for me was the expectation of a TFA quality movie by who I thought to be a better director. Maybe it’s the lack of Kasdan I dunno.

What I do know is a couple of hack frauds In Milwaukee better hurry up.

[Great Rumbler]

One of the things I really liked was bringing back the mysticism of The Force in a big way, Luke even referred to it as a "religion"! None of that midichlorian nonsense anymore.

[Himu]

One of the things I really liked was bringing back the mysticism of The Force in a big way, Luke even referred to it as a "religion"! None of that midichlorian nonsense anymore.

Yes. The vision of the island was amazing.

Then it was all promptly ignored and not followed up on.

[Momo]

That was actually lost island and the polar bear lives in the hole.

[Freyj]

One of the things I really liked was bringing back the mysticism of The Force in a big way, Luke even referred to it as a "religion"! None of that midichlorian nonsense anymore.

I just wanted more of this and was frustrated every time the film cut to a scene without any Sith or Jedi.

[Atramental]

'Tis ranking time:

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5 > 4 > 6 > 8 > 7 > R1 > 3 > 1 >>> 2

 

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Hell, the more I think about Ep. 8 the more I think it's just as good as the Return of the Jedi.

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If not better. 

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[agrajag]

Ummm, not sure why all the hate for the movie. I liked it way better than Force Awakens. At the very least it surprised me more and left me with more to think about rather than just "ok, this is just a retread of every Star Wars trope from the past 30 years." Although certain things you could see coming from a mile away. It did bend over backwards trying to subvert certain expectations, I liked how Rey's parents were ordinary people and not Han and Leia or Luke like everyone thought.

[agrajag]

'Tis ranking time:

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5 > 4 > 6 > 8 > 7 > R1 > 3 > 1 >>> 2

 

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I'm ok with this, but I may flip 7 and R1 positions, or possibly tie.

[Freyj]

Ummm, not sure why all the hate for the movie. I liked it way better than Force Awakens. At the very least it surprised me more and left me with more to think about rather than just "ok, this is just a retread of every Star Wars trope from the past 30 years." Although certain things you could see coming from a mile away. It did bend over backwards trying to subvert certain expectations, I liked how Rey's parents were ordinary people and not Han and Leia or Luke like everyone thought.

This was the dumb mystery box of TFA mostly because people wouldn't shut the fuck up about it but it doesn't really affect my enjoyment of the film in the least.

I've seen a lot of people say Snoke was a JJ mystery box too, which doesn't really make any more sense than saying Palpatine is a mystery box in ANH / Empire. There's some interesting Sith-y stuff they could've done to fuck with Kylo post throne room standoff but as it was Snoke just has a dumb look on his CGI monster face and falls over. Waste of time.

[agrajag]

Imo it was a wasted opportunity to kill off Smoke so early. I just can't take Kylo seriously as a villain. He's so awkward and goofy. He even fights goofy. Was that intentional?

[Himu]

>"It's time to end the Jedi, the First Order, the Rebels, all of it."

Hux shows up

>still a part of the First Order

Very risk, much development

[etiolate]

I still don't get how Vader and Palpatine couldn't wipe out the rebellion and ended up losing to it.

But soyboy Vader and Snope (who goes out like snap) knock down the rebellion to ten people?

[fistfulofmetal]

One thing that did annoy me about the film was that it creates a problem out of nowhere for itself to solve (hyperspace tracking). If they had the FO just suddenly show up and never really tried to explain it with long complicated techno mumbo-jumbo I wouldn't have even had any issue with it. Had it just been something being bugged on the Republic ships, I would have rolled with it... like that episode of Battlestar Galactica. My girlfriend actually suggested that what if Poe had been secretly bugged when he was captured? They could have done something with that.

But they clearly concocted the problem so that they could introduce Rose to be the smarty who figures it out and so Finn and Rose could go on the romp together. They could have still had the little tangent if it had been Poe bugged. Finn and Poe off on an adventure to build their relationship... but then they wouldn't have had the plot of Poe needing to learn how to become a proper leader.

So while I understand - from a plotting and narrative point of view - why they did what they did, the setup of it was a bit clumsy.

Also... I saw on Twitter earlier that they actually talk about Hyperspace Tracking in Rogue One and imply it's being worked on... so actually THAT movie invents a problem that TLJ decides to solve.