It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!

[I'm a Puppy!]

Solo>TLJ

(of course I intentionally left out the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in front of Solo)

[Himu]

I saw AOTC only the once. Same with ROTS. All I know is that I had no desire of ever seeing those ever again and I have a similar feeling about TLJ. So for me, that makes it prequel tier since I have no real recollection of those movies beyond “I never want to see this again.” Since I feel similarly about TLJ I just lump them together.

[chronovore]

I loved it. Still do.

The reasons you peeps give for not liking it, I guess I see it, but it's like you're searching for stuff to hate.

Nah. It’s just not the tone I like from a Star Wars movie. It takes me out of the movie. Nothing is taken seriously. Rey’s friends are being killed and she’s on way her to save them in the falcon and going,”WHOO I LOVE THIS!!!” or when the rebellion has been killed to like 20 people but they’re all happy and acting like it’s a family reunion. The tone is atrocious and is confusing as to what it wants for communicate to the viewer. Which ain’t exactly picking nits. It’s a core part of film making: making your story believable even if it’s in a galaxy far, far away.

Nah. The SW movies have always trivialized momentous stuff. Darth Vader kills his subordinates, Alderann gets blown up, the Death Star and all its live-in slaves and day care centers have been atomized… and it's all a cheery award ceremony at the end, or Darth Vader is redeemed because his half-trained Jedi son grants absolution.

opening up the universe to more possibilities instead of making everyone someone else's daddy.

And again nobody has whined about anybody's parentage here

I'm seeing fewer possibilities in the Star Wars universe than ever, the prequels were pretty bad but at least they added a lot more planets, alien races, ship types...they expanded things like tenfold and as a result they were able to make a bunch of pod racing games and toys of the new setpieces and spinoff material that people gobbled up

Nobody wants playsets of alien caretaker nuns or the canto bight casino

They spent the whole movie going nowhere and adding nothing of substance to the star wars universe, even the concepts had been explored previously in other media (grey/disillusioned jedi etc.)

[Himu]

I loved it. Still do.

The reasons you peeps give for not liking it, I guess I see it, but it's like you're searching for stuff to hate.

Nah. It’s just not the tone I like from a Star Wars movie. It takes me out of the movie. Nothing is taken seriously. Rey’s friends are being killed and she’s on way her to save them in the falcon and going,”WHOO I LOVE THIS!!!” or when the rebellion has been killed to like 20 people but they’re all happy and acting like it’s a family reunion. The tone is atrocious and is confusing as to what it wants for communicate to the viewer. Which ain’t exactly picking nits. It’s a core part of film making: making your story believable even if it’s in a galaxy far, far away.

Nah. The SW movies have always trivialized momentous stuff. Darth Vader kills his subordinates, Alderann gets blown up, the Death Star and all its live-in slaves and day care centers have been atomized… and it's all a cheery award ceremony at the end, or Darth Vader is redeemed because his half-trained Jedi son grants absolution.

opening up the universe to more possibilities instead of making everyone someone else's daddy.

And again nobody has whined about anybody's parentage here

I'm seeing fewer possibilities in the Star Wars universe than ever, the prequels were pretty bad but at least they added a lot more planets, alien races, ship types...they expanded things like tenfold and as a result they were able to make a bunch of pod racing games and toys of the new setpieces and spinoff material that people gobbled up

Nobody wants playsets of alien caretaker nuns or the canto bight casino

They spent the whole movie going nowhere and adding nothing of substance to the star wars universe, even the concepts had been explored previously in other media (grey/disillusioned jedi etc.)

I don’t see Darth Vader killing his subordinates trivial or comedic. Same for them blowing up Alderaan. You’re stretching things. When I talk about tone I’m talking about out of place comedic tone. None of the examples you give are comedic. In IV and VI they win. Why wouldn’t they celebrate destroying something that threatened the whole galaxy and a first real victory over the empire?m

This is trivial and comedic to you?

[Joe Molotov]

Hyaku Shiki

There a bit in Wotakoi where some of the characters are arguing over the best waifu in Evangelion, and one guy's favorite is Unit-01.

[Himu]

Compare the tone, chrono. Finn hits his head lol so fun knee. Then he falls. Bwhahahaha. This tone isn’t Star Wars.



Fuck Rian Johnson.

[Himu]

They’re trying to communicate information and get reconnaissance from Maz and can’t do that without it turning into a cartoon.



Star Wars has always been like this, you’re right.

[Kara]

Hyaku Shiki

There a bit in Wotakoi where some of the characters are arguing over the best waifu in Evangelion, and one guy's favorite is Unit-01.

[agrajag]

TLJ starts with a yo mama joke phone call. That is like the only time the movie actually subverted my expectations.

Lando being sexually attracted to his robot assistant didn't subvert your expectations? 

[Tasty]

Hyaku Shiki

There a bit in Wotakoi where some of the characters are arguing over the best waifu in Evangelion, and one guy's favorite is Unit-01.

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[agrajag]

TLJ starts with a yo mama joke phone call. That is like the only time the movie actually subverted my expectations.

Lando being sexually attracted to his robot assistant didn't subvert your expectations? 

Expecting me, an average movie goer, to have seen a flop like Solo?

Oh shit they're a different movie. My bad, they're all mixed up in my mind.

[kingv]

I still don’t even really understand all the stuff that happened in tlj.

Like Rey goes down into that dark hole and then looks in a funhouse mirror and snaps a lot.

I don’t know, shit was confusing, and Luke was just a trolling asshole. He’s the Master Rahool of Star Wars.

I seriously did not expect them to kill snoke though.

My biggest problem with the new trilogy really is how little so much is explained. Shit just happens, but you only know anything st all about like 4 characters. The new order, Snoke, and everybody not blood related to Luke skywalker and/or directly connected to them is just completely unknowable.

[Himu]

Star Wars has always been cheesy and lighthearted for most of the run time of any given movie. TLJ probably doesn't really have MORE of that than most of the other movies, but the pacing and when it's delivered flops pretty much every time.

I disagree. Star Wars has cheesy dialogue but it takes that dialogue with seriousness.

Like this scene.



It takes itself very seriously despite the dialogue.

Comparing them to the TLJ clips above I don’t understand how someone couldn’t see the difference. The only thing that’s truly comedic is handled by specific characters, namely, C3P0 and Chewbacca. In TLJ, everyone gets in on the fun. The tone in drastically different and I don’t understand how this can be argued agaisnt.

[agrajag]

Killing Snoke was cool and dumb at the same time. Like, it was cool because literally no one expected (and idgaf about your 20/20 hindsight stories), but it was dumb because they didn't explain shit about him or why anyone should really care. The original trilogy didn't explain anything about Palpatine's origins, but they fed the audience just enough tidbits to build the intrigue over three films and when he was finally fully revealed in ROTJ he felt that much more of a threat than Snoke.

[Uncle]

And again nobody has whined about anybody's parentage here

I'm seeing fewer possibilities in the Star Wars universe than ever, the prequels were pretty bad but at least they added a lot more planets, alien races, ship types...they expanded things like tenfold and as a result they were able to make a bunch of pod racing games and toys of the new setpieces and spinoff material that people gobbled up

Nobody wants playsets of alien caretaker nuns or the canto bight casino

They spent the whole movie going nowhere and adding nothing of substance to the star wars universe, even the concepts had been explored previously in other media (grey/disillusioned jedi etc.)

[Joe Molotov]

OT rulez, ST droolz.

[Joe Molotov]

nah, it's fine

[agrajag]

OT rulez, ST droolz.

PT stools

[Momo]

Kinda wish episode 9 is JJ taking subverted expectations to its logical conclusion and it's just a three hour home video of him slowly fisting a donkey wearing a Rian Johnson mask to orgasm.

[Himu]

Star Wars has always been cheesy and lighthearted for most of the run time of any given movie. TLJ probably doesn't really have MORE of that than most of the other movies, but the pacing and when it's delivered flops pretty much every time.

I disagree. Star Wars has cheesy dialogue but it takes that dialogue with seriousness.

Like this scene.



It takes itself very seriously despite the dialogue.

Comparing them to the TLJ clips above I don’t understand how someone couldn’t see the difference. The only thing that’s truly comedic is handled by specific characters, namely, C3P0 and Chewbacca. In TLJ, everyone gets in on the fun. The tone in drastically different and I don’t understand how this can be argued agaisnt.

My point was more that Star Wars is pretty cheesy by default and shouldn't be taken particularly seriously to begin with, not that there isn't a difference in the levity between TLJ and other movies or shows in the series. TLJ's levity fails pretty much every time, some because it just isn't funny, but usually because it's almost always at an inappropriate time. That shit is seen in all the movies, and all the TV shows, just (usually, but not always) as bad.

So because Star Wars is cheesy this means we should turn Star Wars into an outright 80’s movie comedy?

[Cerveza mas fina]

Revenge of the Sith is much much better than The Last Jedi.  Not sure how this is debatable.

Tryhard opinion

[kingv]

Kinda wish episode 9 is JJ taking subverted expectations to its logical conclusion and it's just a three hour home video of him slowly fisting a donkey wearing a Rian Johnson mask to orgasm.

It’s a better ending than Lost at least

[kingv]

Killing Snoke was cool and dumb at the same time. Like, it was cool because literally no one expected (and idgaf about your 20/20 hindsight stories), but it was dumb because they didn't explain shit about him or why anyone should really care. The original trilogy didn't explain anything about Palpatine's origins, but they fed the audience just enough tidbits to build the intrigue over three films and when he was finally fully revealed in ROTJ he felt that much more of a threat than Snoke.

I think that the lesson Disney took from the prequels is that the details and lore don’t matter, only the characters matter.

There’s some truth to that, like, it doesn’t really matter how a blaster Or a lightsaber works, or why some people can use force powers and some can’t, but they took it some weird conclusion where none of the details matter.

It’s true that the original trilogy is also pretty light on details, but it’s also the beginning so you will take the premise at face value.

It’s pretty dumb that we have had 4 movies in the last 3 years and still really don’t know who snoke is, or how the rebels went from winning it all in ROTJ to being basically back to square one 20 years later.

[agrajag]

Yeah, but it's not like they gave Snoke any character either. He was just kind of there, and then he wasn't. Also, it's pretty unrealistic for them to expect the average viewer to turn to extended universe stuff for explanations of major plot points that should've been in the movies in the first place. They don't even need to go into great detail. It's not like anyone is asking to see Midichloreans or a galactic senator fillibuster a vote on trade resolutions.

[Kara]

We didn't know what the Clone Wars were until deep in the prequels and they're talked about in A New Hope.

[Himu]

I have only seen ROTS once so I can’t adequately compare its quality to TLJ.

[Uncle]

Yeah, but it's not like they gave Snoke any character either. He was just kind of there, and then he wasn't. Also, it's pretty unrealistic for them to expect the average viewer to turn to extended universe stuff for explanations of major plot points that should've been in the movies in the first place. They don't even need to go into great detail. It's not like anyone is asking to see Midichloreans or a galactic senator fillibuster a vote on trade resolutions.

Literally 1 short line of dialogue in each movie could've put 90% of the complaints to rest, they didn't have to have a "reveal" scene with music swell and gravitas or anything

One bridge officer says to another "where'd they find this guy anyway?" "You didn't hear it from me, but...a ship floated in from the outer rim, badly damaged, with only one survivor aboard.  They say he was only alive from sheer will alone, or from his mastery over the force.  Either way, The First Order owes our existence to his tactical genius, so never question him again, is that clear?"

Or Luke says "we thought all the old Sith masters had been defeated...we were wrong.  We don't know much about Snoke, but he came wandering out of a ruin on Balthakk a few years ago and has been a force to be reckoned with ever since."

Or Kylo says "I know you owe my former master Luke a debt of vengeance for that wound he gave you on Parthax" and Snoke chokes him out and yells "never speak of it!  I will settle my score on my own time."

Literally anything, for 5-10 seconds, in two movies

[Himu]

If Snoak said,”your training is now complete....” as he died it would have fine.

[naff]

ESB is my favorite film, not sure how many hundreds of times I have watched it.

I am wearing a Star Wars T-shirt right now.  Countless hours in KotOR, Galaxies, ToR, Star Wars d20, reading the books, etc.

I wanted TLJ to be good.  I was receptive to accepting it despite potential flaws.

I can forgive and look over the flaws of the prequels.

Attack of the Clones is a better movie than The Last Jedi.  I have almost no interest in rewatching Attack of the Clones, but maybe one of these days.

I have zero interest in revisiting the fuckfest that was The Last Jedi.

THIS is why I love The Last Jedi

[benjipwns]

It's not like anyone is asking to see ... a galactic senator fillibuster a vote on trade resolutions.

If you were to mash the Prequel Trilology into a single movie, those are some of the only recurring scenes that should be kept.

That and the entire scene where Obi-Wan pisses off the Jedi Librarian, then goes to Yoda for help, and Yoda directs the question to the Jedi kindergarten students who eventually answer that the information was probably deleted, when that should have been obvious to Obi-Wan from the start.

The fight with Darth Maul would happen in like the first half hour of the film and then it'd just be nothing but scenes like these until Order 66. Then Obi-Wan says "I've got the high ground" and it immediately cuts to Anakin rolling around in the lava like he gave up when faced with the logic.

[naff]

TLJ starts with a yo mama joke phone call. That is like the only time the movie actually subverted my expectations.

 

either a) you dont know star wars and thus didn't have any expectations b) you're lying for effect or c) the film had already been spoiled for you.

[sphagnum]

It's not like anyone is asking to see Midichloreans or a galactic senator fillibuster a vote on trade resolutions.

Speak for yourself.

[benjipwns]

For my Sequel Trilology in a Single Film, it'd just Captain Phasma related scenes cut together with the action scenes from the GOTG movies. And maybe some Rogue One scenes.

And then it'd end with a montage of all the old characters dying out of context.

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Then cut to the credits as "Ocean Man" plays.

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[Kara]

The politics shit in the prequel trilogy ruled. It's a shame a lot of it got rolled up into the TV shows.

[naff]

A tribute to the frustration of middle management



Ben Mendelsohn really killed it in Rogue One. Would be down with a story a la Tie Fighter told through the eyes of The Empire, prob a bit off colour for today's political climate tho.

[benjipwns]

iirc like half of the Thrawn Trilogy is characters trying to do shit (Thrawn, Luke, Han) running into bureaucracy on both sides

[agrajag]

It's not like anyone is asking to see ... a galactic senator fillibuster a vote on trade resolutions.

If you were to mash the Prequel Trilology into a single movie, those are some of the only recurring scenes that should be kept.

That and the entire scene where Obi-Wan pisses off the Jedi Librarian, then goes to Yoda for help, and Yoda directs the question to the Jedi kindergarten students who eventually answer that the information was probably deleted, when that should have been obvious to Obi-Wan from the start.

The fight with Darth Maul would happen in like the first half hour of the film and then it'd just be nothing but scenes like these until Order 66. Then Obi-Wan says "I've got the high ground" and it immediately cuts to Anakin rolling around in the lava like he gave up when faced with the logic.

We need a whole movie of Inspector Clouseau Obi Wan.

[naff]

TLJ starts with a yo mama joke phone call. That is like the only time the movie actually subverted my expectations.

 

either a) you dont know star wars and thus didn't have any expectations b) you're lying for effect or c) the film had already been spoiled for you.

 

sure thing

You expected to see luke suckin on alien titties for sustenance?

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jokes aside, Rian single handedly sweeping aside the old guard in a single film really surprised me, and to a lesser extent the specifics of Kylos origin. Then there was the raft of flat jokes. The former were great, the latter was the worst part of the film next to finn and Roses subplot, specifically the entirety of Canto Bight should've been cut.

[close]

[naff]

Yeah, I do get what you mean.

Just a lot of hyperbole thrown around about this film. It's either amazing (me trolling/some critics "better than ESB" etc) or it's the worst thing ever. I really liked the willingness for change, and overall thought most ideas were well executed but they could've gone a bit harder in the editing room. I walked out of the movie like eh, that was surprising and quite decent. The ham fisted comedy and the canto bight sequence didn't distract me as much as some.

[kingv]

Yeah, but it's not like they gave Snoke any character either. He was just kind of there, and then he wasn't. Also, it's pretty unrealistic for them to expect the average viewer to turn to extended universe stuff for explanations of major plot points that should've been in the movies in the first place. They don't even need to go into great detail. It's not like anyone is asking to see Midichloreans or a galactic senator fillibuster a vote on trade resolutions.

I don’t think most of that explanation is in the extended universe either.

I haven’t read it, but I think even aftermath doesn’t really explain where the new order came from.

I know for certain the comic books provide no details.

[CatsCatsCats]

Solo sucked not even Donald Glover could save it

[Himu]

Solo sucked not even Donald Glover could save it

What was bad?

[CatsCatsCats]

Just a series of fan service vignettes instead of a plot basically, and the lead did not feel like Han most of the time (that’s being generous)

[Himu]

Wow a modern Star Wars prequel that’s nothing but fan service and arbitrary plot lines. Why am I so shocked after Rogue One?

[Mandark]

I came out of Solo thinking they should've cast Micahel B. Jordan instead of Glover. It was like he was trying to do an impression and there was very little charisma coming through.

The movie as a whole just felt really flat, despite having several actors that I like and thought did well with what they were given. Say what you will about the MCU, but they found a way to make a series of crowd-pleasers that hasn't happened with SW.

[Kara]

They even manage to make fringe capes into stars. A Star Wars equivalent to Guardians of the Galaxy would be something akin to a Jek Porkins blockbuster.

[Himu]

Shameik moore should have been Lando. He oozes the swag in The Get Down.

[paprikastaude]

No one should have been Lando. I liked some of the footage and the potential of a western themed SW movie, but not if it's based on fanservice and fake characters that depended entirely on their og actors.

[headwalk]

watched solo on the plane. felt like an okay netflix show.

danny glover plays danny glover.

[Uncle]

Wow a modern Star Wars prequel that’s nothing but fan service and arbitrary plot lines. Why am I so shocked after Rogue One?

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Rogue One wasn't the worst thing I've ever seen, but one thing that annoyed me is how it just filled in the gaps with yet more 1% chance of success crazy coincidence that got us to where we are

Like before Rogue One, you could imagine that maybe the mission to get the Death Star plans was maybe a bit mundane, a smooth successful operation

Nope, literally everything that happens in Star Wars hinges on the absolute last seconds before Darth Vader kills the guy holding the disc etc. etc., sure why not

Nothing just kind of happens or works out ever, it's always a desperate struggle

Make an entire movie explaining how Watto got that die that he gambled Anakin with, it was a Jedi dicemaker whose die-making factory was seized by proto-Sith forces and he had to sneak back in with the help of a team to retrieve the secret project he was working on to make a die that could be perfectly influenced by the force, and he got it just before the factory exploded, and like 7 other people almost got ahold of the die before it ended up in Watto's hands, without which there would've been no way for him to gamble away Anakin

[agrajag]

Rogue One was a chef d'oeuvre compared to Solo.

[Himu]

Agreed Uncle. Movie is so forced.

[Cerveza mas fina]

You guys overthink this shit waaaaay too much to enjoy it.

[paprikastaude]

Rogue One is a 15 yo edgelord's fanfiction.

[benjipwns]

You guys overthink this shit waaaaay too much to enjoy it.

[Momo]

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/star-wars-pedro-pascal-mandalorian-series-1203023818/

finally a star wars thing i actually want to watch

[agrajag]

heads up, the new star wars CG cartoon has salacious crumbs in it.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I clicked on some star wars vid and my daugther saw jar jar binks give emergency powers to the chancellor

"Eeee giraffes can't talk!"

She gets it

[Cerveza mas fina]

You guys overthink this shit waaaaay too much to enjoy it.

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[chronovore]