It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!

[Himu]

I can only hope Himuro brings even 1/10 of her critical thinking skills and failure to reconnect with what she liked earlier in life that she's brought to Star War to Shenmue 3.

Don't worry. I gotchu bb.

PLEASE DON'T CALL ME HIMURO BLAME NOBUHIRO WATSUKI

[etiolate]

The answer is basically that she's randomly super powerful.


The way Poe and Finn are fucked over may be dumber though. Their life lesson is basically, "Don't be yourself, it's wrong. Don't try to solve problems. Let authority and love save you."

[chronovore]

Lulz so many nerds were mad about TLJ's audience score on RT that RT had to make a statement that they weren't hacked and the score is accurate. Officially the lowest ranking from audiences of the entire series.

It's not hacked; it's that RT doesn't have safeguards for multiple votes from the same IP address. This is absolutely the work of disgruntled nerdpickers.

[chronovore]

http://www.slashfilm.com/reys-parents-rian-johnson/

Spoilers in the link, obviously.

I love Rian's explanation for this choice.

Me, too. It's exactly what it should be.

[Nola]

Wasn’t one of the biggest complaints last film with Rey being OP’d was that final fight? Which I thought they explained in this film pretty well.

Though to be honest, I am not some big follower of Star Wars and only saw TFA twice and TLJ once. So maybe my memory is foggy.

[Himu]

Wasn’t one of the biggest complaints last film with Rey being OP’d was that final fight? Which I thought they explained in this film pretty well.

Though to be honest, I am not some big follower of Star Wars and only saw TFA twice and TLJ once. So maybe my memory is foggy.

They still don't explain it well in this film. She was able to take on like 10 of Snoke's best dudes without any real Jedi training. Being strong in the force doesn't mean jack. Even Luke, who was apparently considered the most powerful Jedi of all time apparently? had his struggles and pitfalls in training.

[Momo]

^I think Anakin was still stronger pre and post black raincoat, Luke was just the one that brings 'balance'

[Mandark]

Han Solo snuck through a forcefield by manually dropping his ship outta lightspeed.

[Momo]

Here's how I see the force users (excluding darth plagueis because you cant rank a tale) we've seen
- Best Saber Dueler - Darth Maul
- Strongest (over 9000 midichlorians) in dbz power - Anakin Skywalker
- Best mastery of force - Palpatine/Yoda
- Most balanced between power and force mastery - Count Dooku
- Most studious and inventive - Qui Gon Jin

I dont really see obi wan as the best in any field, same with Luke. Tbh I still dont exactly understand what 'balance' he was supposed to bring that wasnt there before.

[Himu]

I thought it was fine in TFA for the reasons you said but like 5 or so of snoke's best men isn't the same as Kylo bleeding out with barely any actual Jedi training.

[Human Snorenado]

Here's how I see the force users (excluding darth plagueis because you cant rank a tale) we've seen
- Best Saber Dueler - Darth Maul
- Strongest (over 9000 midichlorians) in dbz power - Anakin Skywalker
- Best mastery of force - Palpatine/Yoda
- Most balanced between power and force mastery - Count Dooku
- Most studious and inventive - Qui Gon Jin

I dont really see obi wan as the best in any field, same with Luke. Tbh I still dont exactly understand what 'balance' he was supposed to bring that wasnt there before.

Yet Obi-Wan beat two of those in duels (Maul and Anakin) and who knows if he could have beat Vader later in life as an old man, because he chose to become one with the force instead

[agrajag]

The answer is basically that she's randomly super powerful.


The way Poe and Finn are fucked over may be dumber though. Their life lesson is basically, "Don't be yourself, it's wrong. Don't try to solve problems. Let authority and love save you."

Why can't she be randomly super powerful and the Skywalker clan Can?

Maybe she has a really high midichlorian count.

[Joe Molotov]

I think Batman could beat Vader if he had prep time.

[Momo]

Here's how I see the force users (excluding darth plagueis because you cant rank a tale) we've seen
- Best Saber Dueler - Darth Maul
- Strongest (over 9000 midichlorians) in dbz power - Anakin Skywalker
- Best mastery of force - Palpatine/Yoda
- Most balanced between power and force mastery - Count Dooku
- Most studious and inventive - Qui Gon Jin

I dont really see obi wan as the best in any field, same with Luke. Tbh I still dont exactly understand what 'balance' he was supposed to bring that wasnt there before.

Yet Obi-Wan beat two of those in duels (Maul and Anakin) and who knows if he could have beat Vader later in life as an old man, because he chose to become one with the force instead

Let's be fair, Darth Maul won that duel he was just a complete moron being boastful or whatever. Also with Vader he had the higher ground, unassailable tactics 

[chronovore]

Wasn’t one of the biggest complaints last film with Rey being OP’d was that final fight? Which I thought they explained in this film pretty well.

Though to be honest, I am not some big follower of Star Wars and only saw TFA twice and TLJ once. So maybe my memory is foggy.

They still don't explain it well in this film. She was able to take on like 10 of Snoke's best dudes without any real Jedi training. Being strong in the force doesn't mean jack. Even Luke, who was apparently considered the most powerful Jedi of all time apparently? had his struggles and pitfalls in training.

It looked more to me as though Kylo takes out most of them, and Rey takes on one at a time, except for one instance where she has two on her, and Kylo saves her bacon.

^I think Anakin was still stronger pre and post black raincoat, Luke was just the one that brings 'balance'

Anakin is the prophesied one who brings balance.

Qui-Gonn is correct, because Anakin is eventually the guy who throws Palpatine into the hole. Luke refuses to kill Vader, and throws away his laser sword while smirking at Palpatine. Like he's expecting to be excused or some shit. 

[VomKriege]

The balance of 2 siths versus unspecified unlimited Jedi numbers, the balance of wiping all Jedis save 2 that we know of or the balance of no Siths ?

Such rich lore.

[paprikastaude]

Movie was okay to good, but there's no way I'm gonna care about the Johnson trilogy now, even if you excluded the SW oversaturation. Because ultimately the best parts of the movie are things he could take from older films. Like John Williams. But mainly the decent characters from 7 and the legendary characters from before. Luke and Kylo were great, Boyega was okay (until they ruined his payoff).

However, the execution of some admittedly interesting ideas was severely hampered by poor directing. I think everyone agrees that the structure and pacing is a huge mess. It's like 2 nonsensically connected movies and a bunch of weird TV-scifi filler in one. What I don't think is discussed enough is that the cinematography is competent at the very best, but mostly a CGI shitshow on par with the 4-6 remasters. TFA wasn't exactly Fury Road, but at least they restrained themselves and delivered some kind of visual identity. This movie went full on back into George Lucas territory. In fact,

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Atlantic City

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was basically a prequel scene in every aspect. I didn't mind many of the other non-visual gags, though that intro sequence was   

I wish the film's good parts were in a better movie. I still like TFA despite the pandering though.

[chronovore]

The balance of 2 siths versus unspecified unlimited Jedi numbers, the balance of wiping all Jedis save 2 that we know of or the balance of no Siths ?

Such rich lore.

I'll admit to laughing. You make good points.

Who knows? Maybe the Sith were restored due to the Jedi having too much power? 

[paprikastaude]

I forgot: What was up with Benicio del Toro-guy 

[chronovore]

I forgot: What was up with Benicio del Toro-guy 

Rian forgot, too.

Maybe the plan was to follow up in Ep. IX? Failure may be the greatest teacher, but it seemed to be all-fail on all-plans, all-day in VIII…

[paprikastaude]

Rian forgot, too.

Maybe the plan was to follow up in Ep. IX? Failure may be the greatest teacher, but it seemed to be all-fail on all-plans, all-day in VIII…

Obviously. Who wants more of that though.

[nachobro]

Saw it. Movie was whatever, kind lame. Luke was bitchmade, so was Snoke. That was probably the biggest bummer. The entire casino thing was completely pointless (unless I missed something?). The hyperspace ramming thing was cool though.

[agrajag]

[Himu]

Best thing to come out of TLJ

[agrajag]

I was thinking his tits were looking j00cy during the movie

[Himu]

Yeah he was so hot in that scene

[Momo]

MODS HELP

[Tokyosandblaster]

Let's rank these movies. 6-5-8-4-1-7-3------------RO--2

[Atramental]

5-4-8-6-7---RO--3-1------2

 

[agrajag]

V > IV > VI > VIII > R1 > III > VII > I > II

[TakingBackSunday]

I need to see this again, because the more I've thought about it, the more I think I may like it even moreso than TFA.

My ranking:

Empire > New Hope > Force Awakens > Last Jedi > Return of the Jedi > Revenge of the Sith > Phantom Menace > Attack of the Clones

[Stoney Mason]

A New Hope is my favorite.  Empire Strikes Back and Force Awakens I like at about the same level after that.

Follow that with these two movies in that order.
 
Return of The Jedi
The Last Jedi.


The prequels are all shit and not even worth discussion outside of how to fuck something up so ranking them is pointless to me.

[Himu]

ESB > ROTJ > TFA > ANH > ROTS > R1 > TLJ > TPM > AOTC

[Atramental]

 

[Tasty]

[ToxicAdam]

Watching this movie made me realize something I missed. The movie where Luke Skywalker is a complete badass and taking out remnants of the old Empire.

You get a small taste of it in RotJ and none of it in the new movies.

The prequels were all crap, but at least the Jedis felt like the cool samurais that they are.

[chronovore]

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-defense/

Maybe it’s dangerous to worship our heroes to the point of idolatry, to convince ourselves that they can never do wrong, never make mistakes, and never let their hubris create monsters that threaten a new generation. Johnson sends Luke out on a high note, allowing him one more showdown with his former pupil in a fight that is pacifistic resistance at its most grand and extreme, but it’s the final gasp of the hero we once knew. Long live Luke Skywalker…but never forget that he erred. That he done fucked up.

[paprikastaude]

Luke admitting on

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ganging up on Kyle

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was one of the best Star Wars moments.

[chronovore]

Luke admitting on

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ganging up on Kyle

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was one of the best Star Wars moments.

What do you mean, "ganging up"? He was alone. You suggesting he brought R2 as backup?

[Himu]

I liked how their perspectives were different. From Kylo's perspective Luke had these "I MUST SLAY THIS MENACE NOW" eyes that were really scary. Luke in his version had normal eyes.

[chronovore]

I liked how their perspectives were different. From Kylo's perspective Luke had these "I MUST SLAY THIS MENACE NOW EYES" that were really scary. Luke in his version had normal eyes.

Yeah, absolutely one of the high points in the film for me. I felt like it was a callback to Rashōmon, how things /are/ actually true "…from a certain perspective."

[Himu]

Yeah I really liked that a lot. How no perspective or interpretation was truly wrong.

[Human Snorenado]

I liked how their perspectives were different. From Kylo's perspective Luke had these "I MUST SLAY THIS MENACE NOW" eyes that were really scary. Luke in his version had normal eyes.

Very Rashomon way to handle it, thought it was well done.

Also:

ESB > ANH = TLJ > ROTJ > TFA > RO > TPM > ROTS > AOTC

[Great Rumbler]

ESB > ANH > ROTJ = TFA > TLJ > RO > ROTS > TPM > Holiday Special >>> AOTC

[CatsCatsCats]

I still haven’t seen RO, can’t bring myself to care about it

[Himu]

I still haven’t seen RO, can’t bring myself to care about it

Don't bother.

[Mandark]

Have it one in the background while you're folding laundry or going through your mail, then pay attention for the last half hour.

[Atramental]

I still haven’t seen RO, can’t bring myself to care about it

You wouldn't miss anything too important if you didn't watch it.

It's essentially a pretty good, high budget Star Wars fan film. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)

watch it while baked 

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[Great Rumbler]

I've seen RO twice. I found it to be an enjoyable mess with a good final act.

[paprikastaude]

RO is (bad) fan fiction with a big budget.

[Stoney Mason]

When I did my rankings, I forgot Rogue One exists. That's how unnecessary it feels.

It's not as bad as the prequels once again but its a very very very average movie. I have no desire ever to see it again. The 2nd viewing was actually hard to sit through



Great Teaser trailer though. I kinda had high hopes after seeing that. 

[Himu]

I thought it was as bad as the prequels. Eel summarized why a few pages back: it feels like you're watching someone play a video game than watching a movie with a narrative. I feel similar regarding the prequels. It also has characters that are just tropes and the movie expects you to nod your head and just go with the minimal characterization. Just like the prequels.

[BlueTsunami]

I remember when I had this internal image of Rogue One being some stone cold Villeneuve like take on the universe. That Vader scene I feel was a glimpse of what could have been. Its too bad everything has to be beholden to the "adventure" instead of just carving out a good story.

[Stoney Mason]

I thought it was as bad as the prequels. Eel summarized why a few pages back: it feels like you're watching someone play a video game than watching a movie with a narrative. I feel similar regarding the prequels. It also has characters that are just tropes and the movie expects you to nod your head and just go with the minimal characterization. Just like the prequels.

For me nothing touches the prequels. They are on a level of bad that permeates every single scene. They are some of the the most incompetent movies ever made. Certainly the highest big budget ones ever made. They are on a scale of badness from an old man that fundamentally has lost his connection to a franchise he started. That are sad in both a mocking way and the embarrassing way when a once genius has lost his touch on a profound level.

Rogue One in that regard is just average for me. It's like every other mediocre film I see and say yeah that's a film alright and quickly put it out of my mind. Rogue One feels like a factory film that anybody could have made and it wouldn't make a difference.

The prequels are a unique level of awful that only Lucas at that time could have made.

[BlueTsunami]

The prequels are like an appendix that you curiously flip through but soon realize you could easily be watching paint dry instead

[Stoney Mason]

The prequels are like an appendix that you curiously flip through but soon realize you could easily be watching paint dry instead

I must admit on a meta level I find the prequels fascinating. Still do. Rarely do you get to see a trainwreck of those proportions on such a scale. Especially for something that was pretty well respected before that. It's not like somebody putting out a string of transformers movies that we all know are going to be shit.

[etiolate]

I suppose I like the prequels more than others. I feel there's enjoyable shit surrounded by elements that do not match up with the good parts. They also completely struck out on actors with any chemistry together on the main romance plot.

Obi-wan and Palpatine are solid. Dooku is good.  However, the grander story of manipulation and politics never matched up with the Darth Vader story of Star Wars. The prequels also at least had a direction underneath it all with those two elements, even if they clashed. The new films? I don't know where they're going and they don't make you care where they're going with the whole thing.

[Stoney Mason]

The only positive thing I can say about the prequels is that they led to those animated shows which do their best to try to salvage what those three movies were. That's admirable in a way even if ultimately its a larger business decision on top that is dictating the existence of them.

My only large scale fundamental issue with episodes 7,8,9 is that its another retread of rebels versus the empire. They can give them different names if they want. It's the same shit. I thought whatever the conflict in these last three movies was it would be more interesting than that. Or at least explain it in greater detail how this happened again and make it part of the story. Instead its just an assumption that yep, it's the war that didn't really end after Return of the Jedi. It makes the ending movies not feel like ending movies if there is just another big war 20 years down the line again.

My fear is literally that "Star Wars" is a never ending Star War. Where as I just thought that name implied one particularly big event to kick off the franchise.

[Himu]

My fear is literally that "Star Wars" is a never ending Star War. Where as I just thought that name implied one particularly big event to kick off the franchise.

You can argue i's now like Friday the 13th. Just another popular franchise with a never ending story with no plan, you could argue. Very video game-ish.

[Great Rumbler]