Dragon Ball Thread - RIP sensei

[Himu]

For Shaka in case he's never seen the original DBZ opening which is top 5 tier because the Kai OP sucks balls.




The bumpers suck compared to the original too.



Another thing missing from Kai are character based themes. Piccolo, for instance, has lost his iconic theme:

[Tasty]

Dragon Soul (Mignona) > Head Cha-La

[Himu]

No.

[Tasty]

Nostalgia is a bitch.

[Himu]

Cha La Head Cha La op has much better animation, is more charming, and much more badass. I skip Kai's OP every time. Super's OP sucks too. As did the new Sailor Moon.

[Tasty]

Sounds like you're just not giving it a chance.

[Himu]

A large part of the reason I love Cha La is the animation. I don't like digital animation that looks like Super or Kai's op's. It always looks cheap and awful to me. Plus it has none of Cha La's charm.

[Tasty]

Cha La's scenes don't even make any sense. And they're decent animation in that 80's Toei way but meh.

And in any case, I was more talking about the songs themselves. The final "SPARKING" of Cha-La is total . Bleh. Dragon Soul is hype all the way through.

[Tasty]

Also if you don't like the digital animation of Kai or Super's OPs, why the fuck are you watching Super.

[The Legend of Sunblade]

I like all of them. Even the new version of Chala made for Battle of the Gods. 

[Himu]

Also if you don't like the digital animation of Kai or Super's OPs, why the fuck are you watching Super.

Super actually looks really good despite being digital. I don't dislike all digital, by the way. Super has the benefit of having painted backgrounds even if the characters are two tones and the overall tint is too clean. Toei could very well cheap out on it like they have with One Piece, so that worries me, so we'll see. Digital is fine; it's like any other medium. The problem is sacrificing artistic quality and merit and talent for cash by saving it with digital. Cheap digital looks like

And I too like the Cha La Head Cha La on BoG.

[bork]

Dragon Soul (Mignona) > Head Cha-La

No.

Nostalgia is a bitch.

No.

Cha La Head Cha La op has much better animation, is more charming, and much more badass. I skip Kai's OP every time. Super's OP sucks too. As did the new Sailor Moon.

Yes.

Anyway, my problem with this show isn't stuff I don't care that much about, like opening animations (I skip that shit after seeing it once), but the show's insanely-slow pacing, which is hilarious after they addressed pacing and filler issues with Kai.   

[bork]

Also what is up with King Kai's voice actor?  He always sounds so monotone.  The character will be yelling and he still voices him like he's totally calm.   

[Himu]

King Kai's vo is in his 80's and sick.

I have no problem with DBS pacing so far. Give it time. If they haven't beaten Beerus by episode 20, then go ahead.

[bork]

King Kai's vo is in his 80's and sick.

Time for a replacement.

I have no problem with DBS pacing so far. Give it time. If they haven't beaten Beerus by episode 20, then go ahead.

Beaten Beerus?  They haven't even started fighting yet, lol.

[Himu]

It takes a while to get to the fight in BoG, and I don't see the fight lasting that long, so I'm not sure why you would expect them to fight, or for Super to follow the same formula of Z. DBZ is all fights pretty much all the time, for the most part. The first episode of DB Super has made it clear that this is not Z and has a more character oriented storytelling compared to it rather than focusing entirely on fighting. I'm fine with that.

The show is not called Dragon Ball Z. It is called Dragon Ball Super. Just because something is Dragon Ball related doesn't mean it has to be like Z, or Dragon Ball, for that matter.

[bork]

It takes a while to get to the fight in BoG, and I don't see the fight lasting that long, so I'm not sure why you would expect them to fight, or for Super to follow the same formula of Z. DBZ is all fights pretty much all the time, for the most part. The first episode of DB Super has made it clear that this is not Z and has a more character oriented storytelling compared to it rather than focusing entirely on fighting. I'm fine with that.

The show is not called Dragon Ball Z. It is called Dragon Ball Super. Just because something is Dragon Ball related doesn't mean it has to be like Z, or Dragon Ball, for that matter.

LOL if you really think it's not going to end up just like DBZ.  Nothing about the first episode of Super made anything more clear other than the fact that they are going to take a movie storyline and it drag the fuck out.  Then they are going to take the next movie storyline and drag it the fuck out.  Then we will finally get something original.  Maybe.

[Tasty]

The show is not called Dragon Ball Z. It is called Dragon Ball Super. Just because something is Dragon Ball related doesn't mean it has to be like Z, or Dragon Ball, for that matter.

That worked so well for GT

[bork]

The show is not called Dragon Ball Z. It is called Dragon Ball Super. Just because something is Dragon Ball related doesn't mean it has to be like Z, or Dragon Ball, for that matter.

That worked so well for GT

 

...Which went right back to the DBZ formula after what...18 episodes?   

[Tasty]

Pretty much. Though if you mix a formula with shit, and the shit constitutes more than 50% of the resulting fecal concoction... is it still fair to say it's the "DBZ formula"?

[Himu]

The show is not called Dragon Ball Z. It is called Dragon Ball Super. Just because something is Dragon Ball related doesn't mean it has to be like Z, or Dragon Ball, for that matter.

That worked so well for GT

GT sucked not because of what I said, but because the characterization and everything about it was shit. Super doesn't have that problem at all yet.

[bork]

The show is not called Dragon Ball Z. It is called Dragon Ball Super. Just because something is Dragon Ball related doesn't mean it has to be like Z, or Dragon Ball, for that matter.

That worked so well for GT

GT sucked not because of what I said, but because the characterization and everything about it was shit. Super doesn't have that problem at all yet.

Super, so far (I have not watched yesterday's episode yet), has been nothing but the kind of 'filler' stuff people complained about in the Z anime episodes.

[Himu]

DBZ actually had good filler beyond Garlic Jr crap. Driving test stuff, Gohan's dinosaur, Pikkon, I've always liked that stuff.

[Tasty]

People always remember the good filler but forget about the bad. Fake Namek... *shudders*

Also it's easy to have fond memories of filler out of context but when you're waiting ages for new DBZ eps and it finally gets rolling and then there's filler, no matter how good it is you'll still want to tear your hair out and shout "GET ON WITH IT!"

[bork]

DBZ actually had good filler beyond Garlic Jr crap. Driving test stuff, Gohan's dinosaur, Pikkon, I've always liked that stuff.

Sure, some of that stuff was fun.  I don't need a new series to start with that, though.  One episode was enough...not 3-4 of them.

[bork]

People always remember the good filler but forget about the bad. Fake Namek... *shudders*

Also it's easy to have fond memories of filler out of context but when you're waiting ages for new DBZ eps and it finally gets rolling and then there's filler, no matter how good it is you'll still want to tear your hair out and shout "GET ON WITH IT!"

My favorite bad filler was from GT- right in the middle of the "Great Monkey Baby" arc, where Baby possessed Vegeta, enslaved the entire world and turned the population against Goku, and made Vegeta's body turn into a giant golden super-saiyan ape...Goku is sent to some weird dimension where he has to play a comical human board game before escaping.  This lasted 2-3 episodes and was just like WTF WHY IS THIS HERE before returning back to the story. 

[nachobro]

I thought the Goku driving stuff was funny. Bummed that it was removed from Kai

[bork]

And LOL, there was no episode this week.

[Himu]

People always remember the good filler but forget about the bad. Fake Namek... *shudders*

Also it's easy to have fond memories of filler out of context but when you're waiting ages for new DBZ eps and it finally gets rolling and then there's filler, no matter how good it is you'll still want to tear your hair out and shout "GET ON WITH IT!"

Fake Namek sucked, but it's also an exception. DBZ didn't have that much filler.

Also what you described didn't really happen with me except for the Garlic Jr episodes, which as said, were awful. Garlic Jr Saga happened in between Freeza and Android, which is why it was so fucking awful. It is the lone exception in the series. Also, fake Namek lasts only one episode. The rest of DBZ's filler is pretty fun.

[Himu]

DBZ actually had good filler beyond Garlic Jr crap. Driving test stuff, Gohan's dinosaur, Pikkon, I've always liked that stuff.

Sure, some of that stuff was fun.  I don't need a new series to start with that, though.  One episode was enough...not 3-4 of them.

3 or 4 of them seems like a stretch. Episode 3 didn't have any filler at all and Beerus will likely be there next episode.

[bork]

DBZ actually had good filler beyond Garlic Jr crap. Driving test stuff, Gohan's dinosaur, Pikkon, I've always liked that stuff.

Sure, some of that stuff was fun.  I don't need a new series to start with that, though.  One episode was enough...not 3-4 of them.

3 or 4 of them seems like a stretch. Episode 3 didn't have any filler at all and Beerus will likely be there next episode.

[Tasty]

People always remember the good filler but forget about the bad. Fake Namek... *shudders*

Also it's easy to have fond memories of filler out of context but when you're waiting ages for new DBZ eps and it finally gets rolling and then there's filler, no matter how good it is you'll still want to tear your hair out and shout "GET ON WITH IT!"

Fake Namek sucked, but it's also an exception. DBZ didn't have that much filler.

Also what you described didn't really happen with me except for the Garlic Jr episodes, which as said, were awful. Garlic Jr Saga happened in between Freeza and Android, which is why it was so fucking awful. It is the lone exception in the series. Also, fake Namek lasts only one episode. The rest of DBZ's filler is pretty fun.

Fake Namek plus the invisible spaceship were five and a half straight episodes.

And I don't know how you can say "DBZ didn't have that much filler" when Kai cut 194 episodes into 100.

Vegeta and Nappa's stop on Arlia? Filler.

Princess Snake? Filler.

Hell/HFIL? Filler.

Bulma has like two episodes of hijinks on Namek. Filler.

And I haven't even gotten past Freeza yet. None of this was "good" filler either, just fucking annoying with weak writing, plodding pace, and shoddy Toei animation.

But please, keep defending those three half-decent episodes of filler.

[Himu]

DBZ actually had good filler beyond Garlic Jr crap. Driving test stuff, Gohan's dinosaur, Pikkon, I've always liked that stuff.

Sure, some of that stuff was fun.  I don't need a new series to start with that, though.  One episode was enough...not 3-4 of them.

3 or 4 of them seems like a stretch. Episode 3 didn't have any filler at all and Beerus will likely be there next episode.

1. They established who is Beerus via the Supreme Kai
2. They established that Beerus' premonition was correct and that the remaining Saiyan's are on Earth, and that the Saiyan that killed Freeza is on King Kai's planet.
3. They established Vegeta training.
4. Everyone else is at Bulma's birthday event.
5. Beerus is heading towards Goku RIGHT NOW.

None of this is filler.

All of this pertains to the story. Filler is dragging out story with non-story related details, all of this is relevant to the story. The only reason you deem it filler is because it's a retelling of Battle of Gods and you've already seen that. So it's not new content to you. If you have a problem with retelling the movies, you should probably wait till the show is on episode 40 or 50 or something and then watch because you won't be happy watching it at all as it is now.

[Himu]

People always remember the good filler but forget about the bad. Fake Namek... *shudders*

Also it's easy to have fond memories of filler out of context but when you're waiting ages for new DBZ eps and it finally gets rolling and then there's filler, no matter how good it is you'll still want to tear your hair out and shout "GET ON WITH IT!"

Fake Namek sucked, but it's also an exception. DBZ didn't have that much filler.

Also what you described didn't really happen with me except for the Garlic Jr episodes, which as said, were awful. Garlic Jr Saga happened in between Freeza and Android, which is why it was so fucking awful. It is the lone exception in the series. Also, fake Namek lasts only one episode. The rest of DBZ's filler is pretty fun.

Fake Namek plus the invisible spaceship were five and a half straight episodes.

And I don't know how you can say "DBZ didn't have that much filler" when Kai cut 194 episodes into 100.

Vegeta and Nappa's stop on Arlia? Filler.

Princess Snake? Filler.

Hell/HFIL? Filler.

Bulma has like two episodes of hijinks on Namek. Filler.

And I haven't even gotten past Freeza yet. None of this was "good" filler either, just fucking annoying with weak writing, plodding pace, and shoddy Toei animation.

But please, keep defending those three half-decent episodes of filler.

Hmmm, you're right. I haven't seen the original Z in ten years. So my head is definitely iffy on the details. The fake Namek thing was 5 eps? I thought it was 1.

[Tasty]

There were basically two "fake Nameks" and it was goddamn torture. Whenever I attempted to get through my orange brick sets that's always where I'd just tap out.

[bork]

1. They established who is Beerus via the Supreme Kai
2. They established that Beerus' premonition was correct and that the remaining Saiyan's are on Earth, and that the Saiyan that killed Freeza is on King Kai's planet.
3. They established Vegeta training.
4. Everyone else is at Bulma's birthday event.
5. Beerus is heading towards Goku RIGHT NOW.

None of this is filler.

All of this pertains to the story. Filler is dragging out story with non-story related details, all of this is relevant to the story. The only reason you deem it filler is because it's a retelling of Battle of Gods and you've already seen that. So it's not new content to you. If you have a problem with retelling the movies, you should probably wait till the show is on episode 40 or 50 or something and then watch because you won't be happy watching it at all as it is now.

All of that is filler,or stuff from previous eps Himu.  . They could have easily have condensed the first three episodes into two, if not one show.

[bork]

There were basically two "fake Nameks" and it was goddamn torture. Whenever I attempted to get through my orange brick sets that's always where I'd just tap out.

There were two!?  Don't remember that.

[Tasty]

There were basically two "fake Nameks" and it was goddamn torture. Whenever I attempted to get through my orange brick sets that's always where I'd just tap out.

There were two!?  Don't remember that.

http://www.dragonballencyclopedia.com/qdb/Mirror_Spaceship

I lump them together but I guess it's a misnomer to say it was another fake Namek.

[Himu]

1. They established who is Beerus via the Supreme Kai
2. They established that Beerus' premonition was correct and that the remaining Saiyan's are on Earth, and that the Saiyan that killed Freeza is on King Kai's planet.
3. They established Vegeta training.
4. Everyone else is at Bulma's birthday event.
5. Beerus is heading towards Goku RIGHT NOW.

None of this is filler.

All of this pertains to the story. Filler is dragging out story with non-story related details, all of this is relevant to the story. The only reason you deem it filler is because it's a retelling of Battle of Gods and you've already seen that. So it's not new content to you. If you have a problem with retelling the movies, you should probably wait till the show is on episode 40 or 50 or something and then watch because you won't be happy watching it at all as it is now.

All of that is filler,or stuff from previous eps Himu.  . They could have easily have condensed the first three episodes into two, if not one show.

None of that is filler. They could have condensed it, but that doesn't make it filler. Dragged out maybe. But filler? No.

[dkdk]

folks are ODing on calling everything filler these days.

[Beezy]

Is there a site where I can watch the original Dragonball or do I have to go the other route? I only remember reading the early parts of the manga when I was younger.

[Himu]

Is there a site where I can watch the original Dragonball or do I have to go the other route? I only remember reading the early parts of the manga when I was younger.

hulu

[Beezy]

Thanks. Skimming through the "Yamcha got killed by a Saibaman -_-" thread at gaf and it has me wanting to get into all things Dragonball again.

[Himu]

link to saibaman thread

[Beezy]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1041748

Too funny

[Madrun Badrun]

Bulma is such a great character.

[Shaka Khan]

[Himu]

CAT LOVES FOOD

YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAHHHHH

original Funi dub

[Madrun Badrun]

Anyone else kinda get turned on by the sucking sound cell makes when he is draining piccolo? 

[Madrun Badrun]

Vegeta is such a bitch.

[bork]

1. They established who is Beerus via the Supreme Kai
2. They established that Beerus' premonition was correct and that the remaining Saiyan's are on Earth, and that the Saiyan that killed Freeza is on King Kai's planet.
3. They established Vegeta training.
4. Everyone else is at Bulma's birthday event.
5. Beerus is heading towards Goku RIGHT NOW.

None of this is filler.

All of this pertains to the story. Filler is dragging out story with non-story related details, all of this is relevant to the story. The only reason you deem it filler is because it's a retelling of Battle of Gods and you've already seen that. So it's not new content to you. If you have a problem with retelling the movies, you should probably wait till the show is on episode 40 or 50 or something and then watch because you won't be happy watching it at all as it is now.

All of that is filler,or stuff from previous eps Himu.  . They could have easily have condensed the first three episodes into two, if not one show.

None of that is filler. They could have condensed it, but that doesn't make it filler. Dragged out maybe. But filler? No.

Dragged out...exactly...otherwise known as filler.   

[Madrun Badrun]

Krillin is so lonely he'd risk the word because a machine kissed him.   SMH

[Tasty]

Krillin is so lonely he'd risk the word because a machine kissed him.   SMH

Yeah, but to be fair... 18 is bangin'.

[Madrun Badrun]

Vegeta is super lame.  He's like 'Ok I'm sick of getting my ass kicked, therefor I'm going to go kick some ass.' and then 2 episodes later, 'O I got my ass kicked.  I'm so frustrated, therefor I'm going to go kick some ass.'

[Himu]

Krillin is so lonely he'd risk the word because a machine kissed him.   SMH

I truly feel that Toriyama is awful at romance. I mean, the obvious match ups for the characters are:

Goku - Bulma. Chichi doesn't work out and having the strongest dude in the world have a wife like her makes no sense and isn't really entertaining. Bulma doesn't care about Vegeta's training at all because she accepts him for who she is while Chichi never really does.

On the other hand, Krillin with Chichi makes perfect sense. Krillin is a pushover when it comes to stuff like that so him not being able to practice martial arts because he needs to be a family man makes perfect sense.

Vegeta can hook up with Android. She doesn't give a fuck is he's training all day, and she kicked his ass so she'd have his respect as a warrior.

Vegeta is super lame.  He's like 'Ok I'm sick of getting my ass kicked, therefor I'm going to go kick some ass.' and then 2 episodes later, 'O I got my ass kicked.  I'm so frustrated, therefor I'm going to go kick some ass.'

I think Toriyama realized that he made Vegeta TOO AWESOME so he tried to make him LESS AWESOME during that arc.

[Madrun Badrun]

I like Bulma getting knocked up and being independent.  Also at one point she realizes she missed her chance with goku.  I really like her character just because its so unique for a kids show.

[Tasty]

Bulma is the real protagonist of DB/DBZ.

Goku never fucking changes. Bulma? So much character growth.

[bork]

Vegeta's perfect match was Nappa.

[Madrun Badrun]

Pretty sure Vegeta is a power bottom and Nappa is just a bottom.  Bulma is a good carefree top for Vegeta.

[bork]

What I want to know is, if Nappa became a super saiyajin, would his mustache get all spiky?