The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.

[mormapope]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1179110

The weekly Chloe hate train has arrived choo choo.

Gaffers hate fun and interesting characters. Give them something like Ellen Page from The Last of Us or bust.

Hopefully it turns into the weekly Life is Strange hate train.

Game is crap.

A game that hinges on writing and characterization being called crap usually means "this wasn't for me".

[mormapope]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=194107896&postcount=100

My problem with Chloe is not a question of whether she is realistic but whether she is interesting. She's a horribly unlikable person with no redeeming traits whatsoever. An egoistic, rebellious for its own sake, criminal and uneducated junkie who does nothing but harm to everyone else. That's not interesting, the reasons for that are neither, because they are obvious and her not being likable at all is a problem if you spend most of the time in the game trying to protect her from her own stupidity. Making characters that are behaving like asses but still are enjoyable also is something that has been excersied a lot in tv shows over the past few years, with variations of the Sherlock Holmes type (notably: House) being a very obvious example. But even in games. What redeemable traits does Wario have? He's still very much enjoyable. Chloe might be more realistic than House or (especially) Wario, but the problem does not lei within the realism, but within the role such a shithead has to play in the game and for the player. Since, overall, the characters are very stereotypical (including Chloe, but I agree in principle such persons exist) in Life is Strange, I can't excuse this with great care being taken for realistic and deep characterisations. Because her characterisation is as deep as a puddle.

Gonna stand by my autism assertion.

[Rahxephon91]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1179110

The weekly Chloe hate train has arrived choo choo.

Gaffers hate fun and interesting characters. Give them something like Ellen Page from The Last of Us or bust.

Hopefully it turns into the weekly Life is Strange hate train.

Game is crap.

A game that hinges on writing and characterization being called crap usually means "this wasn't for me".

Does Life is Strange have good writing?

The answer is no.

Good writing doesn't make your characters sound like a board room version of what teenagers talk like. No teenagers are not dropping "hip" lingo every five seconds. And if they are it doesn't sound like anything in Life is Strange.

Good writing isn't a rush to name ever need reference you can. Which is what every conversation between Max and her dude friend sounds like.

And gee how would I know SE published this game if not for the odd title inserts.

Good writing isn't the most annoying cliched high school characters ever. I don't expect anything to be original, but try at least. LiS sure doesn't.

Cool, dark, and handsome teacher is evil. Gee that wasn't predictable.

Punk rock/goth chick is a druggy and nihilistic. Also has family problems and is annoying as fuck because instead of writing an actual person, they wrote her character design.

Max is so meek and bland, because she's the uncofident nerdy girl. Wow, even though appranrtley she was talented and determined enough I get accepted into a prestigious photography program. Those kind of teenagers don't seem to be usually be the needy and wrk ones.

Everyone else is so over the top with their school troupe characters.

Bitch girl with is so bitchy she can't even move away from the door. I mean I went to high school, no matter how bitchy or bullyish someone was, they didn't do stupid crap like that.

The entire thing reads like someone trying real hard to be authentic and by authentic I mean putting in supposed lingo every other sentence.

It's shit. The first episode was so painful and obvious in its intentions I don't want to play anymore.

[Atramental]

If the characters talked like actual teenagers I would probably blow my brains out. 

[Mods Help]

teenagers suck

[zomgee]

It's no FF10 that's for sure

[Rahxephon91]

If the characters talked like actual teenagers I would probably blow my brains out. 

the characters here talk like one of those Disney or Nick pre-teen live action shows.

[mormapope]

Aren't you in your late 20's or early 30's? When you were Max's age it would be 2002/2004.

Relying on tropes for initial characterization or characterization also isn't an issue in of itself. You're lying to yourself if you don't group people into categories based on limited contact or exposure, especially at a young age at your own highschool. I'm sure if you spent hours with each character from Life is Strange, there would be substantial things in their life. The majority of the game is spent with Chloe and people outside Blackwell.

If the basis for criticism is these kids in a private school in 2013 aren't like my memories of highschool in 2003, that's baby level thinking.

[tiesto]

I bought the retail edition of Life Is Strange, am hoping to mix things up between that and Undertale this weekend. We'll see if they live up to the internet hype... yeah, you may be surprised at me trying out a western game but... it's published by SE, and it takes place in a high school with a blue haired character... that's still a bit weeb 

Will be nice to put Xenoblade X to bed though, I'm 140 hours in, which is 5 hours short of the longest I've ever played a game for (the original Xeno at 145h) and I still have stuff left to do...

[Mods Help]

I mean, how much teenager media has the teenage characters actually talk and act like teenagers?

Let's take some classic examples.

Clueless? Mean Girls? 90210? Fresh Prince? Donnie Darko? Ferris Bueller?

Do any of these character talk like actual teenagers? Does any one know an average teenager that would talk like Ferris Bueller?

The closest I can think of is The Breakfast Club and wanna know I haven't seen The Breakfast Club in full in years? Because they act and talk like teenagers and I can't stand teenagers.

Why would any adult actually WANT to consume media that has teenage characters that actually talk and act like teenagers? Why?

[nachobro]

life is strange is not for me in many ways and i saw that after watching a quick look of it on giant bomb. so i just ignored it instead of throwing a rage fit. i recommend that as a course of action in the future.

[Rahxephon91]

Aren't you in your late 20's or early 30's? When you were Max's age it would be 2002/2004.

Relying on tropes for initial characterization or characterization also isn't an issue in of itself. You're lying to yourself if you don't group people into categories based on limited contact or exposure, especially at your own highschool. I'm sure if you spent hours with each character from Life is Strange, there would be substantial things in their life. The majority of the game is spent with Chloe and people outside Blackwell.

If the basis for criticism is these kids in a private school in 2013 aren't like my memories of highschool in 2003, that's baby level thinking.

It would be 2009 when I was Chloe's age actually.

I also went to a private school.

It's not baby level thinking. It's doing exactly what the game wants you to do. It wants you to relate to your own feelings of high school and be empathetic of the characters. It's the entire point of troupes here, you're supposed to understand and then relate them to the kind of characters you experienced in real life.

The problem is LiS is so shitty at its characters that they come off as completely false to anyone who experienced high school and isn't overly angsty about it.

Chloe is such a shitty character because at least so far they don't show any side of her that isn't overly dramatic and real. It's so played up that I can't buy her character. It's the same for pretty much all these characters. They all seem so stuck in their types and as someone who experiences these types in high school I know in the end they weren't this exaggerated and so the whole reality of the story of LiS falls apart because I'm supposed to care for these people, in part because I'm supposed to relate to them.

[Rahxephon91]

It's no FF10 that's for sure

it is. Tidus' daddy problems are sure better and complex then I"M A FREE SPIRT/ REBEL vs I'm a unrealistically strict military dad!

Step dad for extra drama because the actual dad is dead. Her life is filled with pain. FEEL for her!

[Mods Help]

"I'm a free spirit/rebel!" is teenager as fuck, dude. Just as much as teens with daddy issues. My group sat under neath the gym bleachers before the bell rang in HS despite being told not to many times. Why? Because no one tells us the rules, maaaaan. Chloe sounds like someone I would have hung out with in HS.

[mormapope]

It would be 2009 when I was Chloe's age actually.

I also went to a private school.

It's not baby level thinking. It's doing exactly what the game wants you to do. It wants you to relate to your own feelings of high school and be empathetic of the characters. It's the entire point of troupes here, you're supposed to understand and then relate them to the kind of characters you experienced in real life.

The problem is LiS is so shitty at its characters that they come off as completely false to anyone who experienced high school and isn't overly angsty about it.

Chloe is such a shitty character because at least so far they don't show any side of her that isn't overly dramatic and real. It's so played up that I can't buy her character. It's the same for pretty much all these characters. They all seem so stuck in their types and as someone who experiences these types in high school I know in the end they weren't this exaggerated and so the whole reality of the story of LiS falls apart because I'm supposed to care for these people, in part because I'm supposed to relate to them.

The bolded is based on YOUR experience. I went to a public highschool that had around 1800-2000 students and faculty. I only socialized with people in my class, and many people fell into classic tropes or stereotypes that apply to teens during highschool. The only thing exaggerated is the wittiness and snap the characters have.

I could relate to many of the characters throughout the entire game. If you couldn't relate to the teenagers, why didn't you find the adults to be relatable?

What you did, what trope or sterotype you would fall under, and who you knew the most is what influences your memories and assertions of highschool. The rebellious types saw and experienced the world a lot differently than the students that wanted that 4.0 for a super college.

[Mods Help]

I'm super confused now because I'm trying to not completely read the discussion for fear of spoilers.

What is Chloe like?

[Rahxephon91]

"I'm a free spirit/rebel!" is teenager as fuck, dude. Just as much as teens with daddy issues. My group sat under neath the gym bleachers before the bell rang in HS despite being told not to many times. Why? Because no one tells us the rules, maaaaan. Chloe sounds like someone I would have hung out with in HS.

Ueah and usually it's just a phase with little drama about it. Just people trying to find a personality and fit in.

Not so with Chloe as the writers tried to make everything about her life as dramatic as possible in hopes that you feel bad for her so that the end game choice means something and is tough, because he'll you're actual choices through out the game won't.

There's nothing interesting or nuanced about the character. She is just her character design. At least when actual writers make characters like that they add something to it that makes it not feel as try hard.

[mormapope]

it is. Tidus' daddy problems are sure better and complex then I"M A FREE SPIRT/ REBEL vs I'm a unrealistically strict military dad!

Step dad for extra drama because the actual dad is dead. Her life is filled with pain. FEEL for her!

 

The entirety of that drama was "My dad was a huge asshole to me, my mom gave him more attention than what I wanted her to give him. He disappeared, and then she gave up on life because he wasn't there."

Which, for JRPG story standards is actually refreshing. But calling that complex 

[Mods Help]

It's true that adolescence is full of phases, but that's not true for all people. Cliques definitely were a thing and some people deeply internalize it. There's people who still cling to the nerd identity on my facebook right now who grimace any time someone is talking about sports and unironically call it sportsball, as if they're the only people who couldn't possibly have a wavering interest in sports. There's people who did shit just to do shit when they were teens. How many people did you know who dropped out of school? I know someone who dropped out senior year of all years. Being reckless and overly dramatic is a part of the teenage rite of passage.

[mormapope]

I'm super confused now because I'm trying to not completely read the discussion for fear of spoilers.

What is Chloe like?

Someone that doesn't give a fuck about a lot things other people her age care about. Addictive personality. Confident. Fearless. Very open when it comes to sex and drug use. Gets emotionally attached and will lash out if she feels that attachment is strained at all. Someone that knows how to have fun.

[Mods Help]

I'm super confused now because I'm trying to not completely read the discussion for fear of spoilers.

What is Chloe like?

Someone that doesn't give a fuck about a lot things other people her age care about. Addictive personality. Fearless. Very open when it comes to sex and drug use. Gets emotionally attached and will lash out if she feels that attachment is strained at all. Someone that knows how to have fun.

Yeah, we would have been buds.

[Mods Help]

Does Chloe have overprotective parents??

If so she may be my gaming spirit person. 

[mormapope]

Her step dad definitely is, but not in the touchy feely positive way. Her mom worries about her but knows she can't do much or anything to stop her.

[Rahxephon91]

it is. Tidus' daddy problems are sure better and complex then I"M A FREE SPIRT/ REBEL vs I'm a unrealistically strict military dad!

Step dad for extra drama because the actual dad is dead. Her life is filled with pain. FEEL for her!

 

The entirety of that drama was "My dad was a huge asshole to me, my mom gave him more attention than what I wanted her to give him. He disappeared, and then she gave up on life because he wasn't there."

Which, for JRPG story standards is actually refreshing. But calling that complex 

I said they were more complex then anything in LiS and being that LiS is crap....

And it is.

Tidus dislikes his dad not only because his dad was a poor father, but also because he has to live up to him. His dad wasn't an asshole in a simple way. He did love his son, a lot, but he was also very prideful. He didn't know how to relate or even raise the kid and so he did in in the most Jhet way, show him but also be the most boasting person about it. Of course a kid isn't going to get that and he interlizes that and is never able to make peace with it because Jhet disappears. So it just bottles up inside. it's possible as he got older he would've been able to actually make peace and be fine with Jhet. I mean he says "I hate you" at the end, not because he actually hates his dad(he doesn't), but because he's finally strong enough to challenge their relationship.

The "mom always paid attention" to me never was literal. It was a kids understanding of "his dad is a superstar". Which is a huge theme in FFX. Yuna and Tidus' fathers are big shadows, how can they live up to them. Well, Yuna is just doing what she thinks shes supposed to be. She doesn't even know her father, shes's going through the motions. Tidus, tried to fight being his father, yet ends up becoming him anyway and maybe that allows him to understand him and make actual peace with him.

Anyway, this is all better then anything in LiS.

[mormapope]

Tidus didn't become his father at all though. He surpassed his father. Yuna surpassed her father.

With the rest you said, all of that is simple stuff. The reasons why Chloe resents her step father has a lot more emotional weight behind it. Simplicity or complexity don't matter here.

[Rahxephon91]

Tidus didn't become his father at all though. He surpassed his father. Yuna surpassed her father.

I mean he literally follows the same path of him and I didn't say he didn't surpass his father. I mean he clearly becomes strong enough to face him.

With the rest you said, all of that is simple stuff.

I guess, I don't see how it is since it has actual layers, characterization, and thematic relevance to the plot, but whatever. Either way, I find it sure of a lot more engaging then anything in LIS and I'm not seeing how LiS is good at all.

The reasons why Chloe resents her step father has a lot more emotional weight behind it.

If you say so.

[El Babua]

Chloe is definitely one of the more real characters in LiS just cause she's more fleshed out compared to all the other HS trope characters. (obviously since she is the catalyst of the story) As far as her personality, never really was that annoying.

My biggest gripe with the game is just the devs creating and then subsequently dropping a bunch of threads. It feels like they had a lot of ideas but didn't have the proper time/budget so they cut a lot to serve the overall story (which was for the best IMO).

[Brehvolution]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1179419

[Jansen]

Life is strange sucks

spoiler (click to show/hide)

everything sucks 

[close]

[archie4208]

Chloe is definitely one of the more real characters in LiS just cause she's more fleshed out compared to all the other HS trope characters. (obviously since she is the catalyst of the story) As far as her personality, never really was that annoying.

My biggest gripe with the game is just the devs creating and then subsequently dropping a bunch of threads. It feels like they had a lot of ideas but didn't have the proper time/budget so they cut a lot to serve the overall story (which was for the best IMO).

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I read somewhere Dontnod said they were running out of money late into development.  That's why episode 5 feels so half assed, especially the bae ending

[close]

[Let's Cyber]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1179401

 

[Shadow Mod]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1179401

 

Lock Roosh and dudes like him up with these toys.

Everybody wins.

[Rufus]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1179419

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Can I safely write this off as the dying breaths of some fringe culture or nah?

[Shadow Mod]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1179419

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Can I safely write this off as the dying breaths of some fringe culture or nah?

read that exwife thread again

[Rufus]

Fair enough :I

[FStop7]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=194125337&postcount=7

Your employer went to Europe to molest women.

[nachobro]

employer implies pay. bishop mods like a cunt just for the e-penis pumping

[Shadow Mod]

Fair enough :I

There are dudes who basically want a real doll that provides sex or kids or housework or all of the above. Women being people in their own right is scary. That exwife thread basically outted quite a few of them.

[Rufus]

I want to believe that they're a vocal minority, at least in the west, but I know even here the men of the enlightenment were/are less than enlightened. Baby steps, I guess.

[Shadow Mod]

The most disturbing recent thread was the one defending the 25 yr old who almost had sex with a 14 yr old tho. 

[thisismyusername]

employer implies pay. bishop mods like a cunt just for the e-penis pumping

Speaking of which, that Chinese New Year NBA thread.

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1179458

 

[Mods Help]

is this an evilore joke

[Rufus]

First thing I thought of too. Dude's probably just baked.

[El Babua]

Chloe is definitely one of the more real characters in LiS just cause she's more fleshed out compared to all the other HS trope characters. (obviously since she is the catalyst of the story) As far as her personality, never really was that annoying.

My biggest gripe with the game is just the devs creating and then subsequently dropping a bunch of threads. It feels like they had a lot of ideas but didn't have the proper time/budget so they cut a lot to serve the overall story (which was for the best IMO).

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I read somewhere Dontnod said they were running out of money late into development.  That's why episode 5 feels so half assed, especially the bae ending

[close]

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Yep. Loved the nightmare sequence, but closure could have been handled better. Also the fact that Max only used her *ZA WARUDO* power at the end of EP 2 and it was never used again was sort of a letdown.

[close]

[mormapope]

The World pushed Max to her limits. If she kept using her power like that, chances are she would've domed her brain.

[nachobro]

Speaking of which, that Chinese New Year NBA thread.

that thread had me

[meeb]

The most disturbing recent thread was the one defending the 25 yr old who almost had sex with a 14 yr old tho. 

What?

[thisismyusername]

The most disturbing recent thread was the one defending the 25 yr old who almost had sex with a 14 yr old tho. 

What?

Black 25 year old was gonna have sex with a white 14 year old, thinking she was 19 because she was super into Naruto or something like that.

[brob]

The most disturbing recent thread was the one defending the 25 yr old who almost had sex with a 14 yr old tho. 

What?

Black 25 year old was gonna have sex with a white 14 year old, thinking she was 19 because she was super into Naruto or something like that.

 

[Trent Dole]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1178682

omg yes

yessssssss

the setup...the reveal. it might be the perfect thread.

Haha FFD, I remember that dude from GIA/Toastyboards. This is a masterfull troll.

[Vertigo]

The most disturbing recent thread was the one defending the 25 yr old who almost had sex with a 14 yr old tho. 

What?

Black 25 year old was gonna have sex with a white 14 year old, thinking she was 19 because she was super into Naruto or something like that.

I keep seeing this thread referenced on Gaf in other threads,has the original thread been nuked?

[thisismyusername]

The most disturbing recent thread was the one defending the 25 yr old who almost had sex with a 14 yr old tho. 

What?

Black 25 year old was gonna have sex with a white 14 year old, thinking she was 19 because she was super into Naruto or something like that.

I keep seeing this thread referenced on Gaf in other threads,has the original thread been nuked?

Not that I'm aware of? Though I can't remember the thread title to check in my history. I know Devo posted about it a while ago.

[thisismyusername]

Ah, here:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1173923

This is the shit that convinces me GAF is a den of predators. You got a 25 yr dude trying to play the victim after hooking up with a 14 yr old. She lied though, she's the jezebel! The amount of defense because you're somehow less of a child molester if you're socially stunted, desperate and or an idiot.

And the close message is precious too:

The OP bailed on his own thread and all you folks are doing is going in circles about what you think the law should be, versus what the law is, so let's close this up. Start a general age of consent thread if you want

By all means encourage that gross ass behavior by instructing them to create an AoC thread, yes.

Wait that dude claims he thought a 14 year was 19?

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What's wrong with 14 year olds?

When I was in highschool my girlfriend took me to her house in Bountiful and I didn't know at the time that her dad was a member of the Quorum of the Seventy and incredibly rich.  He had a crazy collection of all this original Mormon art.  Like shit you would see on the cover of Ensign.  There was like 20 pictures of Smith judging me in one room.  He also had a perfect replica of Brigham's cabin in his back yard.  Shit was too much for me and I had to break up with her.

[Shadow Mod]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1173923

there you are sirs 

Oh thisis quoted it okay, yeah that thread, creepy as hell

[Joe Molotov]

This is the story all about how the justice system got twisted upside-down...

[team filler]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1173923

there you are sirs 

Oh thisis quoted it okay, yeah that thread, creepy as hell

will you shut the fuck up already?

[Mods Help]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1173923

there you are sirs 

Oh thisis quoted it okay, yeah that thread, creepy as hell

will you shut the fuck up already?

Tell me what your problem with Shadow mod is without the dumb biiiiiiitch stuff.

She did nothing different than anyone else in the thread.

Where did she hurt you?

[Let's Cyber]

 

 

[Atramental]

filler must've been one of the shadow mod's victims.