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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16620 on: April 25, 2016, 11:56:29 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=201840983&postcount=1155

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16621 on: April 25, 2016, 12:02:22 PM »
But are they including bish :hitler
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« Reply #16622 on: April 25, 2016, 12:06:54 PM »
Saw someone on /v/ mention us (The Bore) this morning.  :doge

We really out there.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16623 on: April 25, 2016, 12:29:10 PM »
The GAF box office threads are so unbearable. A ton of people who before X movie didn't care so they don't understand anything box-office earnings and Bobby Roberts acting like a huge twat.


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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16624 on: April 25, 2016, 12:40:40 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1211461

The bi-annual "easy mode in Dark Souls offends me, these games are perfect" thread.

Truth is, From Software isn't that big, and their games have always had jank and/or weird shit in them. They don't have the time or resources to add difficulty modifiers to their games, especially any in the Souls series.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=201835431&postcount=35
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This is one of those things where if they had actually added an easy mode years ago it would be such a non issue that nobody would have cared, but now it's coalesced into this super personal thing that is a major deal. An easy mode that buffs player HP and damage output would still be harder than most games. To argue that the game would be ruined for anybody playing such an easy mode is to suggest that there is insufficient merit in the other aspects of the game to make it worth playing. That kind of all or nothing approach rings very hollow to me, since difficulty is innately subjective, what is trivial to one person may still be very challenging and rewarding to a less experienced or less skilled gamer.

Spot on.
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« Reply #16625 on: April 25, 2016, 12:51:21 PM »
Easy mode in Souls games is called summons and pyromancy.   :doge

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« Reply #16626 on: April 25, 2016, 12:54:35 PM »
To me it's not so much about skill it's about time. I don't get much gaming time. So I don't have the hours to spend learning patterns and watching frames of animation to 'git gud' I just want to sit down and enjoy something. If I want to take the time to 'git gud' and do it on a harder setting then give me that choice. I'll do that at times, do something on easy about half way and then be like "You know, I could actually do this on a more difficult setting" But I never bought the argument of "oh this is just here for people that want to make it easy." for me, I just don't have the time.
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« Reply #16627 on: April 25, 2016, 12:56:14 PM »
In DS1 my main was essentially a pyro-tank build.  :P

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« Reply #16628 on: April 25, 2016, 01:01:45 PM »
To me it's not so much about skill it's about time. I don't get much gaming time. So I don't have the hours to spend learning patterns and watching frames of animation to 'git gud' I just want to sit down and enjoy something. If I want to take the time to 'git gud' and do it on a harder setting then give me that choice. I'll do that at times, do something on easy about half way and then be like "You know, I could actually do this on a more difficult setting" But I never bought the argument of "oh this is just here for people that want to make it easy." for me, I just don't have the time.

The OP's video argues is that instead of directly changing difficulty via an option, the game gives you tools to make the game harder or easier as you see fit.  You can play every souls game with a full set of heavy armor, tower shield, and 40 VIG and it isn't *that* hard.  There are going to be a few asshole bosses, but you can get summons for those.

On the flipside there are tools to make the game indirectly harder for experienced players.  I'm personally trying a SL1 run (no stat upgrades whatsoever) in Dark Souls 2 right now.  I doubt I finish it, but I have the option of pulling my hair out and wanting to die.

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« Reply #16629 on: April 25, 2016, 01:02:01 PM »
If you're offline, the AI for the summons is ten times worse than a common foot soldier enemy.

The phrase git gud should mainly be applied to competitive shit. If someone is getting wrecked at Street Fighter online, there's no optimal alternative that makes the game easier to play while also remaining fair.

Dark Souls is a series the most unbalanced multiplayer components I've ever seen. And yet, and offline only easy mode is somehow sacrilegious to the game's design?

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« Reply #16630 on: April 25, 2016, 01:09:22 PM »
The OP's video argues is that instead of directly changing difficulty via an option, the game gives you tools to make the game harder or easier as you see fit.  You can play every souls game with a full set of heavy armor, tower shield, and 40 VIG and it isn't *that* hard.  There are going to be a few asshole bosses, but you can get summons for those.

On the flipside there are tools to make the game indirectly harder for experienced players.  I'm personally trying a SL1 run (no stat upgrades whatsoever) in Dark Souls 2 right now.  I doubt I finish it, but I have the option of pulling my hair out and wanting to die.

This line of thinking is based on dozens and dozens of hours of playtime though. And unless you're a masochist, you've probably done research on weapons and character builds. To me, what people are arguing for is absolutely no scaling because it interferes with the tone and atmosphere of a videogame.

It would be like Fallout 3/New Vegas always being set on very hard mode from the start. After a few weeks or months, people will have posted OP builds or what weapons to find online, but the player would have to do extra research and other shit to alleviate any frustration. In reality, Fallout has many difficulty options that scale enemy damage and enemy HP.

"Why shouldn't Fallout be incredibly challenging, it takes place in the post apocalypse after all!"

Is the line of thinking in that thread.

On the flipside, 3D Zelda games have been piss easy almost every installment, except for Majora's Mask. A hard mode right out of the gate that has remixed enemy groups and tougher puzzles has been the number one request for 3D Zelda games.

"But its Zelda, its supposed to be a light hearted adventure, not a tough dungeon crawler!"

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« Reply #16631 on: April 25, 2016, 01:15:04 PM »
To me it's not so much about skill it's about time. I don't get much gaming time. So I don't have the hours to spend learning patterns and watching frames of animation to 'git gud' I just want to sit down and enjoy something. If I want to take the time to 'git gud' and do it on a harder setting then give me that choice. I'll do that at times, do something on easy about half way and then be like "You know, I could actually do this on a more difficult setting" But I never bought the argument of "oh this is just here for people that want to make it easy." for me, I just don't have the time.

The OP's video argues is that instead of directly changing difficulty via an option, the game gives you tools to make the game harder or easier as you see fit.  You can play every souls game with a full set of heavy armor, tower shield, and 40 VIG and it isn't *that* hard.  There are going to be a few asshole bosses, but you can get summons for those.

I feel like this is a bit like that argument of "Oh, you never have to grind for 4 hours in game x. You just have to spend 5 hours learning to game the combat."

Yeah, I hear the thing often of "DS is EASY if you get this equipment set and build" But part of not having time to master a difficult game also means not having time to research what exact items you need. I get what people are trying to say, but it just seems that acquiring the knowledge that you if you get x,y and z it makes the same simple, isn't that much different than gaining the actual skill. Of course, you could look it up, but I sorta like going into a game blind :yeshrug
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16632 on: April 25, 2016, 01:17:48 PM »
Easy mode in Souls games is called summons and pyromancy.   :doge

I know you're being kinda facetious, but this is basically true. There are certainly builds that are a lot easier to play as [sword and board, for instance], especially for a relatively inexperienced player, and getting a friend to help you co-op or summoning somebody to help with boss fights takes away a significant chunk of the difficulty. You're still gonna get ganked by some random mob enemy occasionally because you weren't paying attention, but that's not big deal.
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« Reply #16633 on: April 25, 2016, 01:18:41 PM »
We'll have to agree to disagree.  :yeshrug

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« Reply #16634 on: April 25, 2016, 01:29:51 PM »
Dark Souls isnt difficult, i think its hella casual tbh - From neutered it since they needed that c0re audience
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« Reply #16635 on: April 25, 2016, 01:43:55 PM »
>TFW you'll never have that NEET lifestyle that allows you to master all Souls games. :tocry

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« Reply #16636 on: April 25, 2016, 02:07:24 PM »
Remember that story on GAF where that girl got dragged on social media because she was sexually promiscuous, or something? It really wasn't clear because the facts were a little hazy. Even though it's rightly her life and her body and her choice and it ultimately takes two people to have consensual sex - she can do what she wants and her private life is private even if she wants to post about it on social media, it's not our job to judge. And so much of this story is based on rumor, spread by people with an agenda. Right now there's no proof any of this stuff happened.

Instead she got called out in a public setting by what I would at best call a ringleader, and all those ringleader's followers went BALLISTIC and pummeled the poor woman online, shamed her mercilessly. The ringleader's followers celebrated it, too. She might have made bad choices but she got completely crucified online. So much so that people with names that SOUNDED like hers got shamed, too. Hell they went after her family members when it wasn't enough. The poor shamed girl fought it and fought it but that ringleader's followers just wouldn't stop.

What a weird time that was. I'm glad that stuff is actively policed on GAF.

Wow can Beyonce sing though.
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« Reply #16637 on: April 25, 2016, 02:24:49 PM »
Easy mode in Souls games is called summons and pyromancy.   :doge

I know you're being kinda facetious, but this is basically true. There are certainly builds that are a lot easier to play as [sword and board, for instance], especially for a relatively inexperienced player, and getting a friend to help you co-op or summoning somebody to help with boss fights takes away a significant chunk of the difficulty. You're still gonna get ganked by some random mob enemy occasionally because you weren't paying attention, but that's not big deal.

I summoned for the first time in any DS game on Saturday night and it was insane. I'm not good at the game at all, constantly taking my time with enemies, learning dodging and rolling and dying over and over, heck I'm still on the High Wall after four hours or so. This guy though. It's not the same game when summoning co-op. It was kind of obscene in comparison. It's like we were playing pinball with enemies.
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« Reply #16638 on: April 25, 2016, 02:48:09 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1211237
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Would you buy NEO if it featured full PlayStation backwards compatibility?

Sony boys are getting flustered in that thread, saying things like emulating the PS3 is impossible, that this won't happen in a million years.

I hope Sony does this, not only would it make the available lineup better, the people with old PS4's would rage for a good while.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16639 on: April 25, 2016, 04:43:42 PM »
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I assumed this was nude pics of a dude so I didn't click because I was at work and not ready for a fatwa. Now I know I should have totally checked this out at work.

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« Reply #16640 on: April 25, 2016, 05:14:48 PM »
Remember that story on GAF where that girl got dragged on social media because she was sexually promiscuous, or something? It really wasn't clear because the facts were a little hazy. Even though it's rightly her life and her body and her choice and it ultimately takes two people to have consensual sex - she can do what she wants and her private life is private even if she wants to post about it on social media, it's not our job to judge. And so much of this story is based on rumor, spread by people with an agenda. Right now there's no proof any of this stuff happened.

Instead she got called out in a public setting by what I would at best call a ringleader, and all those ringleader's followers went BALLISTIC and pummeled the poor woman online, shamed her mercilessly. The ringleader's followers celebrated it, too. She might have made bad choices but she got completely crucified online. So much so that people with names that SOUNDED like hers got shamed, too. Hell they went after her family members when it wasn't enough. The poor shamed girl fought it and fought it but that ringleader's followers just wouldn't stop.

What a weird time that was. I'm glad that stuff is actively policed on GAF.

Wow can Beyonce sing though.

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« Reply #16641 on: April 25, 2016, 07:30:20 PM »
lay off the ambien
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« Reply #16642 on: April 25, 2016, 07:45:17 PM »

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« Reply #16643 on: April 25, 2016, 11:04:51 PM »
The GAF box office threads are so unbearable. A ton of people who before X movie didn't care so they don't understand anything box-office earnings and Bobby Roberts acting like a huge twat.

If I could take away one person's ability to interact with the internet in any way, it would be Bobby Roberts. Fuck that guy.

He swings from being 'OK' to being a massive know it all Portland twat.

And yes the box office threads on Gaf are a carnival of embarrassment. Especially when it comes to superhero movies, the MCU fanboys have made them almost unreadable.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16644 on: April 25, 2016, 11:55:49 PM »
MCU fans are vermin

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« Reply #16645 on: April 26, 2016, 12:08:20 AM »
The GAF box office threads are so unbearable. A ton of people who before X movie didn't care so they don't understand anything box-office earnings and Bobby Roberts acting like a huge twat.

If I could take away one person's ability to interact with the internet in any way, it would be Bobby Roberts. Fuck that guy.

He swings from being 'OK' to being a massive know it all Portland twat.

And yes the box office threads on Gaf are a carnival of embarrassment. Especially when it comes to superhero movies, the MCU fanboys have made them almost unreadable.

finding out he was from portland made a lot of sense

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« Reply #16646 on: April 26, 2016, 12:16:02 AM »
Didn't he post here at one time?  :doge

Or maybe I'm confusing him with someone else.

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« Reply #16647 on: April 26, 2016, 12:18:56 AM »
was talking about some old Ntard stuff on whatsapp and stumbled across this
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3084847&postcount=426

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Even I realized at the time that Red Steel was total garbage. :neogaf

I thought that shit was gonna change FPS forever

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I expected Red Steel to be amazing.
Red Steel footage/screens were also fake as fuck until the game finally got released. I remember the preview builds/previews for the game were almost completely different than the final product.
I remember they had a big magazine blowout in Game Informer where that shit looked like a 360 game. :lol I'll admit, I got sucked into the hype a little bit.

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« Reply #16648 on: April 26, 2016, 01:16:13 AM »
I remember an old 1up (?) interview where one of the Nintendo suits was strongly implying that Wii games would look just as good as 360 games, only difference would be that they wouldn't be HD.  :lol

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« Reply #16649 on: April 26, 2016, 01:42:11 AM »
[pc master race comment about 360 games having graphics as good as 360 games but not in HD]

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« Reply #16650 on: April 26, 2016, 01:58:28 AM »
These were the first specs Game Informer reported from E3 2005:
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the Revolution was powered by two 1.8Ghz IBM PowerPC G5 processors, a 600Mhz ATI graphics chip...will apparently have 128 MB of main memory and 256 MB of embedded DRAM
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For comparison, 360 from a few months before its reveal (and before Epic had them double the RAM):
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custom IBM PowerPC-basaed CPU with three symmetrical cores running at 3.2GHZ, 256MB of DDR RAM, a 20 GB detachable hard drive and a custom ATI graphics processor running at 500Mhz

REVOLUTION HAS 100MHZ MORE GRAPHICS AND PROBABLY ALLOWS MORE TO THE METAL CODING (SINCE NO WINDOWS), ALSO EMBEDDED DRAM WHICH MEANS THEY PUT THE DRAM IN THE CONSOLE ITSELF

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Xbox: 733Mhz PIII/Celeron-based, 233Mhz Nvidia NV2A, 64MB DDR
Wii: 729Mhz PowerPC Broadway, 243Mhz ATI Hollywood, 24MB 1T-SRAM, 64MB GDDR3
WiiU: 1.24Ghz Tri-Core PowerPC Espresso, 550Mhz AMD Radeon Latte, 1GB DDR3, 32MB embedded DRAM

the fake REVOLUTION specs are closer to being an accurate rumor for the WiiU than the Wii lol
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« Reply #16651 on: April 26, 2016, 04:00:11 AM »
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the Revolution was powered by two 1.8Ghz IBM PowerPC G5 processors, a 600Mhz ATI graphics chip...will apparently have 128 MB of main memory and 256 MB of embedded DRAM

Ugh, I remember that story (or at least one like it). Every new story had the specs dropping further and further, and with it, my expectations.

"The Gamecube was the second most powerful in the current generation, so there's no way in hell the Revolution will be weaker in any way compared to BOTH the PS3 and 360."

"Okay, I'm fine with the Revolution being weaker than the 360 and PS3. At least we'll get Nintendo games in HD, so either way it'll be a huge step up."

"All right, you know what, I'm perfectly willing to throw out any high def capability. It's not like I got an HDTV, and it'll be like another five years* before I get one anyway. As long as we can get something like Kameo in SD, I'd be more than satisfied."


To think that the absolute minimum I thought Nintendo would go was still miles ahead of what we actually wound up getting.  :brazilcry


*it would actually be 7 years  :doge

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16652 on: April 26, 2016, 07:23:58 AM »
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« Reply #16653 on: April 26, 2016, 08:52:22 AM »
Didn't he post here at one time?  :doge

Or maybe I'm confusing him with someone else.

You're probably thinking about Demi's mancrush BobbyRobby. Who i think is a different dude.


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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16654 on: April 26, 2016, 09:53:16 AM »
wrong and wrong

BobbyRobby did post here before.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16655 on: April 26, 2016, 10:05:22 AM »
that lil kim thread is disastrous
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« Reply #16656 on: April 26, 2016, 10:23:40 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1211789

Oh this thread should be good. Wonder what it'll be first, the attack the messenger? Or the whole "outrage culture doesn't exist!" thing which is followed by "OK, maybe it does exist, but it's not a small number of people." or the "Yes yes, but it's actually a good thing because.." tact?
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« Reply #16657 on: April 26, 2016, 10:27:49 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1211789

Oh this thread should be good. Wonder what it'll be first, the attack the messenger? Or the whole "outrage culture doesn't exist!" thing which is followed by "OK, maybe it does exist, but it's not a small number of people." or the "Yes yes, but it's actually a good thing because.." tact?

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« Reply #16658 on: April 26, 2016, 10:32:12 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1211789

Oh this thread should be good. Wonder what it'll be first, the attack the messenger? Or the whole "outrage culture doesn't exist!" thing which is followed by "OK, maybe it does exist, but it's not a small number of people." or the "Yes yes, but it's actually a good thing because.." tact?
well one dude immediately started digging in the kid's twitter for wrongthink so clearly every opinion he has is wrong now. Also the Atlantic is a bad site. Also the author is a bad person.
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« Reply #16659 on: April 26, 2016, 10:40:59 AM »
Looks like "attack the messenger" wins this time then!
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« Reply #16660 on: April 26, 2016, 12:00:38 PM »
Looks like "attack the messenger" wins this time then!

You missed 'false equivalency/everyone else does it/this is just as bad/they did it first' first post.

Followed by Detective GAF, and "it's just a small part of the population." LKBAP's method of 'actually not addressing concerns and only asking questions against low hanging fruit' hasn't arrived yet.

Followed by OH MAN DON'T LOOK AT THE COMMENTS BECAUSE I SAVED YOU FROM SEEING THINGS WITH YOUR EYES AND I JUST HAD TO POST ABOUT IT, DIG ME RIGHT?

TBF it must suck for everyone to have to be perfect.
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« Reply #16661 on: April 26, 2016, 12:25:19 PM »
Nobody cares about nintendo.


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1210670&page=5

Anyway this was definitely a cartel hit, in the opinion of a lot of people I know in that business. The boys who grow are already talking about it up here. The rumor is the oldest brother apparently made a deal and then backed out of it at the last minute and had to be taught a lesson. MS-13 I believe.

PS: Don't believe the hype, this "growing operation" is thousands of plants across several acres of family property. Gotta love GAF trying to solve the case. The easiest answer is usually the right one.

Rural Ohio brehs  :kobeyuck
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« Reply #16662 on: April 26, 2016, 12:35:07 PM »
Honestly I've moved into the "outrage culture exists but is severely overblown" camp. I rarely get upset about that shit anymore, having realized most people couldn't care less about Tumblr. And having 3,000 retweets of your insular, intellectual cowardice doesn't suggest some massive consensus in the grand scheme of things either.

Most people don't walk around labeling things problematic or demanding books be banned due to trigger warning content. Honestly my only gripe is that universities don't put their foot down on some of this shit.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16663 on: April 26, 2016, 12:38:16 PM »
Honestly I've moved into the "outrage culture exists but is severely overblown" camp. I rarely get upset about that shit anymore, having realized most people couldn't care less about Tumblr. And having 3,000 retweets of your insular, intellectual cowardice doesn't suggest some massive consensus in the grand scheme of things either.

Most people don't walk around labeling things problematic or demanding books be banned due to trigger warning content. Honestly my only gripe is that universities don't put their foot down on some of this shit.

There are quite a few universities that actually back this shit. My son's does. (Safe zones, offended? Call this number, Catcher in the Rye? Not at this school) and it annoys the shit out of me.

I'm okay with colleges tending to be liberal based, it fits the demographic....but when they start catering to the far left it becomes counterproductive.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16664 on: April 26, 2016, 12:59:22 PM »
I wouldn't even call those sort of people 'far left' a lot of far left people I know have constant run ins with them, over some of their opinions.

The 'regressive left' is a much better term for them.

They lack backbone, the skill to debate their own points and opinions, and borderline facist tendencies.

social justice is something I support but not in their warped version of it.

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16665 on: April 26, 2016, 01:02:28 PM »
I wouldn't even call those sort of people 'far left' a lot of far left people I know have constant run ins with them, over some of their opinions.

The 'regressive left' is a much better term for them.

They lack backbone, the skill to debate their own points and opinions, and borderline facist tendencies.

social justice is something I support but not in their warped version of it.

I suppose that is a better word for it, yup.

But I'm serious Washington, Oregon, etc, they molly-coddle their students to the point I think they get participation awards for simply going to class. It really isn't helping to develop my son into something marketable if football doesn't work out.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16666 on: April 26, 2016, 01:17:42 PM »
It's not that new in academic circles. Marcuse's Repressive Tolerance is from 1965. And while it's hardly the first, it's arguably the best.

It's just now a factor of more things:
1. More people attending college, and getting exposed to the nonsense in lots of terrible courses and fields. (Like say anything in political science. And especially anything in political science taught by an anarchist.)
B. Faster information spread in general which promotes nonsense quicker and also the formation of safe space groups.
III. There's a platform for rewarding the maintenance of the repressive system. On GAF you get dogpiled or banned and everyone celebrates the tolerance. Conversely those on the correct side, be it GAF, Tumblr or twitter or whatever you get a following like that #CancelColbert lady or people like Liu Kang.
Fourth. It's not only just a signalling system but a way to feel superior. And it's not limited to politics or social justice or whatever. Gaming Discussion is just as full of the same model of thinking and tribal grouping behavior.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16667 on: April 26, 2016, 01:25:41 PM »

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1210670&page=5

Anyway this was definitely a cartel hit, in the opinion of a lot of people I know in that business. The boys who grow are already talking about it up here. The rumor is the oldest brother apparently made a deal and then backed out of it at the last minute and had to be taught a lesson. MS-13 I believe.

Nnnnnno way... no way, really? God I never even think about that. Wow wow wow.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16668 on: April 26, 2016, 01:30:58 PM »
Quote from: Marcuse
I suggested that the distinction between true and false tolerance, between progress and regression can be made rationally on empirical grounds. The real possibilities of human freedom are relative to the attained stage of civilization. They depend on the material and intellectual resources available at the respective stage, and they are quantifiable and calculable to a high degree. So are, at the stage of advanced industrial society, the most rational ways of using these resources and distributing the social product with priority on the satisfaction of vital needs and with a minimum of toil and injustice. In other words, it is possible to define the direction in which prevailing institutions, policies, opinions would have to be changed in order to improve the chance of a peace which is not identical with cold war and a little hot war, and a satisfaction of needs which does not feed on poverty, oppression, and exploitation. Consequently, it is also possible to identify policies, opinions, movements which would promote this chance, and those which would do the opposite. Suppression of the regressive ones is a prerequisite for the strengthening of the progressive ones.
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Withdrawal of tolerance from regressive movements before they can become active; intolerance even toward thought, opinion, and word, and finally, intolerance in the opposite direction, that is, toward the self-styled conservatives, to the political Right--these anti-democratic notions respond to the actual development of the democratic society which has destroyed the basis for universal tolerance. The conditions under which tolerance can again become a liberating and humanizing force have still to be created. When tolerance mainly serves the protection and preservation of a repressive society, when it serves to neutralize opposition and to render men immune against other and better forms of life, then tolerance has been perverted. And when this perversion starts in the mind of the individual, in his consciousness, his needs, when heteronomous interests occupy him before he can experience his servitude, then the efforts to counteract his dehumanization must begin at the place of entrance, there where the false consciousness takes form (or rather: is systematically formed)--it must begin with stopping the words and images which feed this consciousness. To be sure, this is censorship, even precensorship, but openly directed against the more or less hidden censorship that permeates the free media. Where the false consciousness has become prevalent in national and popular behavior, it translates itself almost immediately into practice: the safe distance between ideology and reality, repressive thought and repressive action, between the word of destruction and the deed of destruction is dangerously shortened. Thus, the break through the false consciousness may provide the Archimedean point for a larger emancipation--at an infinitesimally small spot, to be sure, but it is on the enlargement of such small spots that the chance of change depends.

The forces of emancipation cannot be identified with any social class which, by virtue of its material condition, is free from false consciousness. Today, they are hopelessly dispersed throughout the society, and the fighting minorities and isolated groups are often in opposition to their own leadership. In the society at large, the mental space for denial and reflection must first be recreated. Repulsed by the concreteness of the administered society, the effort of emancipation becomes 'abstract'; it is reduced to facilitating the recognition of what is going on, to freeing language from the tyranny of the Orwellian syntax and logic, to developing the concepts that comprehend reality. More than ever, the proposition holds true that progress in freedom demands progress in the consciousness of freedom. Where the mind has been made into a subject-object of politics and policies, intellectual autonomy, the realm of 'pure' thought has become a matter of political education (or rather: counter-education).

This means that previously neutral, value-free, formal aspects of learning and teaching now become, on their own grounds and in their own right, political: learning to know the facts, the whole truth, and to comprehend it is radical criticism throughout, intellectual subversion. In a world in which the human faculties and needs are arrested or perverted, autonomous thinking leads into a 'perverted world': contradiction and counter-image of the established world of repression. And this contradiction is not simply stipulated, is not simply the product of confused thinking or fantasy, but is the logical development of the given, the existing world. To the degree to which this development is actually impeded by the sheer weight of a repressive society and the necessity of making a living in. it, repression invades the academic enterprise itself, even prior to all restrictions on academic freedom. The pre-empting of the mind vitiates impartiality and objectivity: unless the student learns to think in the opposite direction, he will be inclined to place the facts into the predominant framework of values.
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These considerations can never justify the exacting of different sacrifices and different victims on behalf of a future better society, but they do allow weighing the costs involved in the perpetuation of an existing society against the risk of promoting alternatives which offer a reasonable chance of pacification and liberation. Surely, no government can be expected to foster its own subversion, but in a democracy such a right is vested in the people (i.e. in the majority of the people). This means that the ways should not be blocked on which a subversive majority could develop, and if they are blocked by organized repression and indoctrination, their reopening may require apparently undemocratic means. They would include the withdrawal of toleration of speech and assembly from groups and movements which promote aggressive policies, armament, chauvinism, discrimination on the grounds of race and religion, or which oppose the extension of public services, social security, medical care, etc. Moreover, the restoration of freedom of thought may necessitate new and rigid restrictions on teachings and practices in the educational institutions which, by their very methods and concepts, serve to enclose the mind within the established universe of discourse and behavior--thereby precluding a priori a rational evaluation of the alternatives. And to the degree to which freedom of thought involves the struggle against inhumanity, restoration of such freedom would also imply intolerance toward scientific research in the interest of deadly 'deterrents', of abnormal human endurance under inhuman conditions, etc.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16669 on: April 26, 2016, 02:16:13 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1211955

:lol This thread's gonna end up being a 12-page thread chastising the OP for using "oriental" instead of offering up useful advice
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16670 on: April 26, 2016, 02:19:05 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1211955

:lol This thread's gonna end up being a 12-page thread chastising the OP for using "oriental" instead of offering up useful advice
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16671 on: April 26, 2016, 02:20:18 PM »

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1210670&page=5

Anyway this was definitely a cartel hit, in the opinion of a lot of people I know in that business. The boys who grow are already talking about it up here. The rumor is the oldest brother apparently made a deal and then backed out of it at the last minute and had to be taught a lesson. MS-13 I believe.

Nnnnnno way... no way, really? God I never even think about that. Wow wow wow.
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http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/04/eight_relatives_slain_in_rural_ohio.html#incart_m-rpt-1


Funny how every update increases the total plants now. We are up to "hundreds at each location" and updated to "largest scale I have seen in this state"

I assure you it will be thousands by the end of the week.

You fucked the with cartel money, hillbilly dirt people, and I expect this is the result. Sad for any family member who wasn't involved.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16672 on: April 26, 2016, 02:21:14 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1211955

:lol This thread's gonna end up being a 12-page thread chastising the OP for using "oriental" instead of offering up useful advice

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The correct nomenclature is asian american dude

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So he should have said he wanted to learn an Asian american dude language?
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16673 on: April 26, 2016, 02:29:14 PM »

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1210670&page=5

Anyway this was definitely a cartel hit, in the opinion of a lot of people I know in that business. The boys who grow are already talking about it up here. The rumor is the oldest brother apparently made a deal and then backed out of it at the last minute and had to be taught a lesson. MS-13 I believe.

Nnnnnno way... no way, really? God I never even think about that. Wow wow wow.
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http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/04/eight_relatives_slain_in_rural_ohio.html#incart_m-rpt-1


Funny how every update increases the total plants now. We are up to "hundreds at each location" and updated to "largest scale I have seen in this state"

I assure you it will be thousands by the end of the week.

You fucked the with cartel money, hillbilly dirt people, and I expect this is the result. Sad for any family member who wasn't involved.

I grew up in Lawrence County, Ohio just a little SE of there. The vast majority of our drug problem at the time was pot fields but they were all local run. At the same time we were so sheltered from the real world. No kidding we had a segregated pool - based on an interview membership - until around 1984 or so. So the idea that an outside gang was moving in with interest into those fields just blows my mind. It's my own fault for thinking differently.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16674 on: April 26, 2016, 02:45:03 PM »

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1210670&page=5

Anyway this was definitely a cartel hit, in the opinion of a lot of people I know in that business. The boys who grow are already talking about it up here. The rumor is the oldest brother apparently made a deal and then backed out of it at the last minute and had to be taught a lesson. MS-13 I believe.

Nnnnnno way... no way, really? God I never even think about that. Wow wow wow.
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http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/04/eight_relatives_slain_in_rural_ohio.html#incart_m-rpt-1


Funny how every update increases the total plants now. We are up to "hundreds at each location" and updated to "largest scale I have seen in this state"

I assure you it will be thousands by the end of the week.

You fucked the with cartel money, hillbilly dirt people, and I expect this is the result. Sad for any family member who wasn't involved.

Looks like it could have been the 16-year old? Sheeeeiiiit. And the mom was killed right next to the four-year old (who wasn't killed.)

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16675 on: April 26, 2016, 02:58:14 PM »
Yeah...this is why you should avoid dealings with violent, organized gangs. And especially why you shouldn't ever try to screw them over.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16676 on: April 26, 2016, 03:30:39 PM »
Yeah...this is why you should avoid dealings with violent, organized gangs. And especially why you shouldn't ever try to screw them over.

Give them their 20% for christ's sake.
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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16677 on: April 26, 2016, 03:33:44 PM »
Yeah...this is why you should avoid dealings with violent, organized gangs.
something something social contract something something don't recognize illegitimate claim on use of force something something i plead "pocket constitution" something something

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Re: The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.
« Reply #16678 on: April 26, 2016, 03:36:45 PM »
Yeah...this is why you should avoid dealings with violent, organized gangs.
something something social contract something something don't recognize illegitimate claim on use of force something something i plead "pocket constitution" something something

Something something notes something something should we go right to left or old to young something something

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