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The domestic terrorists who seized the Malheur national wildlife refuge near Bend, OR, are operating with incredible impunity, destroying public property, breaking into federal databases and disrupting sites of archaeological and sacred indigenous interest.Though the terrorists sometimes face criminal sanctions for theft of public property when they venture out of their armed compound, their ideological leader, Ammon Bundy, has been able to come and go freely from the site, even after reports of the destruction surfaced.The terrorists have paved a new road through the refuge, over territory that is considered archaeologically significant; the reserve itself encompasses many Paiute burial sites that the band holds sacred.The terrorists claim to be there on the Paiute's behalf. Paiute band leaders do not want their help, and are outraged at the disruption of their traditional lands by a racist terror-cell.Regarding the wildlife refuge, the Burns Pauite Indian tribe and federal government officials said they were worried about possible damage to cultural resources, artifacts, sensitive records and local wildlife habitats.The US Fish and Wildlife Service strongly condemned the occupiers for building the new road.“It’s deplorable,” spokesman Jason Holm said in an email. “I’m not sure what part of the [occupiers’] interpretation of the constitution promotes the destruction and desecration of culturally significant Native American sites … This is disgusting, ghoulish behavior.”Holm also said the fish and wildlife service had received reports that the occupiers were accessing federal records at the refuge, raising concerns about a possibly dangerous data breach. He said the government was now contracting with a data protection and credit monitoring service to safeguard refuge employees whose personal data may have been compromised.
Seriously, these guys had their fun and they've had their chance, the feds need to move in and put a stop to this ridiculous farce.
Members of the armed standoff at the Malheur National Wildlife refuge said Monday that they've recruited ranchers to stop paying the federal government for the right to run cattle on public land.The occupation organizers are planning a "signing ceremony" Friday where ranchers will sign documents renouncing their obligation to pay fees tied to the federal grazing allotments, said spokesman LaVoy Finicum.Two ranchers – one from Oregon and one from New Mexico – have agreed to sign the papers and "I hope they bring a couple more in tow," Finicum said.The documents will be sent to the U.S. solicitor general, he said."It's not about ranching," Finicum said. "It's about asking the federal government to return to the confines of the law and allow the states and the counties to be free to govern themselves."
Leaders of the occupation, now in its 17th day, plan a public meeting Monday night at a hot springs resort in the unincorporated community of Crane to offer details about their plans.Finicum said it's one of several meetings expected in the coming days as the occupiers take their message outside of Harney County and even outside of Oregon. He visited Utah last week to drum up support for the occupiers' cause.The gathering is scheduled for 6 p.m. at the Crystal Crane Hot Springs resort.After Harney County officials "rebuffed" a request to use the county fairgrounds for a meeting last Friday to tell community members about their plans to end the standoff, other communities have "reached out to us," Finicum said, including Grant County.Finicum, who has stopped paying fees on the federal grazing allotment attached to his Arizona ranch, said he doesn't believe ranchers who stop paying the fees should have free access to the land. Instead, the occupiers support a "production tax" directing grazing fees into local government coffers.
The armed occupiers have organized a "rapid response team" tasked with defending ranchers who agree to stop paying their grazing fees, he said."At any time that they need somebody, they can call," Finicum said. "If the sheriff will not respond, we will respond."As for the refuge, Finicum said, "it returns to Harney County." County officials have said they have no interest in taking ownership of the 187,000-acre land holding.
A contingent from the Center for Biological Diversity, a national environmental group based in Tucson, planned to observe Martin Luther King Jr. Day by hiking on the refuge. The federal government is celebrating the holiday with a fee-free day for recreation on public lands, but the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge remains closed due to the standoff.In a statement, the center's executive director, Kierán Suckling, said the hike is meant to "bear witness to this great injustice and show the militia thugs that America won't be scared away from its public lands by guns and threats."The group also is planning a protest Tuesday on the refuge, with supporters traveling from Bend and Eugene to join the handful of environmentalists who have already arrived in Harney County.
I'm seeing in other news that the militia are destroying native american historical relics, and that some of the wildlife preserve is on land owned by them. If this is a reservation, aren't native americans able to enforce their own law on the invaders?
Quote from: chronovore on January 22, 2016, 12:41:30 PMI'm seeing in other news that the militia are destroying native american historical relics, and that some of the wildlife preserve is on land owned by them. If this is a reservation, aren't native americans able to enforce their own law on the invaders?Legally? Yeah, they probably can. Forcing these idiots out short of a gun battle is another matter, though, and I doubt the tribal police are equipped for something like that.
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 22, 2016, 01:00:00 PMQuote from: chronovore on January 22, 2016, 12:41:30 PMI'm seeing in other news that the militia are destroying native american historical relics, and that some of the wildlife preserve is on land owned by them. If this is a reservation, aren't native americans able to enforce their own law on the invaders?Legally? Yeah, they probably can. Forcing these idiots out short of a gun battle is another matter, though, and I doubt the tribal police are equipped for something like that.It'd be neat to see the reservation po-po rolling in armored-up army surplus tanks, making squishy noises on these ass-clowns.
Quote from: chronovore on January 23, 2016, 07:21:16 PMQuote from: Great Rumbler on January 22, 2016, 01:00:00 PMQuote from: chronovore on January 22, 2016, 12:41:30 PMI'm seeing in other news that the militia are destroying native american historical relics, and that some of the wildlife preserve is on land owned by them. If this is a reservation, aren't native americans able to enforce their own law on the invaders?Legally? Yeah, they probably can. Forcing these idiots out short of a gun battle is another matter, though, and I doubt the tribal police are equipped for something like that.It'd be neat to see the reservation po-po rolling in armored-up army surplus tanks, making squishy noises on these ass-clowns.To be fair, they have too much on their plate dealing with real criminals. I don't think any law enforcement agency wants to deal with these jerkoffs. They are probably on the same level as masturbating homeless men.
Whats Trumps stance?
Really hope they stand down and don't get riled up by the death.
Ryan Bundy, 43, of Bunkerville, Nev., suffered a minor gunshot wound in the confrontation about 4:30 p.m. along U.S. 395. He was treated and released from a local hospital and was in FBI custody, authorities said.Also arrested during the stop were his brother, Ammon Bundy, 40, of Emmett, Idaho, Ryan W. Payne, 32, of Anaconda, Mont., Brian Cavalier, 44, of Bunkerville, Nevada, and Shawna J. Cox, 59, of Kanab, Utah. They were charged with conspiracy to impede federal officers, a felony....In Burns, Oregon State Police also arrested Joseph D. O'Shaughnessy, 45, Cottonwood, Arizona, known in militia circles as "Captain," and Pete Santilli, 50, of Cincinnati, an independent broadcaster known for his aggressive manner and live streaming refuge events. They face conspiracy charges of impeding federal officers.Jon Ritzheimer, 32, a key militant leader, surrendered to police in Arizona on the conspiracy charge. He gained national fame for complaining on a video about the delivery of sex toys to the refuge in response to the occupiers' plea for supplies.
In the meantime, Operation Mutual Defense, a network of militias and patriot sympathizers, issued a call on its website for help at the refuge. The post was written by Gary Hunt, a board member from California who has expressed support for Timothy McVeigh, who bombed a federal building in Oklahoma City and had ties to the patriot movement."You have an obligation to proceed to the Harney County Resource Center (the wildlife refuge) immediately," Hunt wrote. "If you fail to arrive, you will demonstrate by your own actions that your previous statements to defend life, liberty, and property were false."
Ammon Bundy, Ryan Bundy, Brian Cavalier, Shawna Cox, Peter Santilli, Joseph O'Shaughnessy and Ryan Payne.
Fiinicum on Monday said an interview that "the tenor has changed" between the occupiers and federal authorities."They're doing all the things that shows that they want to take some kinetic action against us," he said.
Quote from: CatsCatsCats on January 27, 2016, 01:25:31 AMReally hope they stand down and don't get riled up by the death.Yeah, I don't think that's likely.
The occupiers also claimed Finicum had his hands in the air when he was shot.
"...this hero's murder."
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Other militiamen have some takes, and they're super-hot, brehs. (Image removed from quote.)
(Image removed from quote.)So beards are not for gamers and artists? This guy is a System Administrator according to his profile.
That's some exquisite schadenfreude.
Bundy actually thought that the feds were just going to let him and his co-leaders drive around the countryside indefinitely without ever being arrested at any point.
Fun starts at 8:20.
