VOAT Containment Megathread of Trash People for Trash People

[thisismyusername]

Women are on average far better at socializing, bonding, giving care and empathy. So it's not a surprise they go for teaching, nursing etc instead of spending hours in a basement in front of a computer to code for whatever.

>(You)

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/what-programmings-past-reveals-about-todays-gender-pay-gap/498797/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace#First_computer_program

I can't find the article about how it was a woman dominated field beyond that one. But basically in the 1950-1960's or so, when things were first getting started Programming was a totally dominated by women job/position. It is only when... well, you can read the article above, that women were "pushed out" and then the "boys club" mentality was established for it.

So in other words: (Me) at people blindly assuming women can't do the work of programming.

[Raist]

Women are on average far better at socializing, bonding, giving care and empathy. So it's not a surprise they go for teaching, nursing etc instead of spending hours in a basement in front of a computer to code for whatever.

(You)

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/what-programmings-past-reveals-about-todays-gender-pay-gap/498797/

I can't find the article about how it was a woman dominated field beyond that one. But basically in the 1950-1960's or so, when things were first getting started Programming was a totally dominated by women job/position. It is only when... well, you can read the article, that women were "pushed out" and then the "boys club" mentality was established for it.

So in other words: (Me) at people blindly assuming women can't do the work of programming.

So let me get this straight. In the 40's and 50's it was a female dominated job, but somehow, while the sexual, social, civic and workplace liberation of women happened, the patriarchy just one day woke up and stole them jobs.

A LOT of jobs were female-dominated in the 40's and 50's. To which extent this was 100% the reflection of a preference and choice, which were somehow overturned in the 60's because reasons, is rather difficult to determine, because there was that thing called WWII.

Again, I never said this has anything to do with a putative "ability to do programming".

[thisismyusername]

Did you actually read the article?

In the early years of computing, the area that garnered respect was hardware development, which was thought of as manly work. Meanwhile, the work most women performed, programming, lacked prestige. The gender makeup of programmers and the status of the job were mutually reinforcing. Women were hired because programming was considered clerical work, a bit of plug-and-chug labor that merely required women to set into motion preset plans.

Programming was later recognized to involve complex processes of analysis, planning, testing, and debugging. Initially, though, the job was poorly understood. Janet Abbate, a professor of science and technology in society at Virginia Tech, explains in her book Recoding Gender that, in the absence of a concrete grasp on the job, “gender stereotypes partially filled this vacuum, leading many people to downplay the skill level of women’s work and its importance to the computing enterprise." Notably, where more egalitarian gender roles prevailed, so did the job options available to women in computing. While American and British women were effectively barred from building hardware during the mid-20th century, women in the relatively more equitable Soviet Union helped construct the first digital computer in 1951.

WW2 happened and women took over "mens jobs," yes. However when WW2 ended and men came back, formerly women dominated fields (and Computing was just starting, you have to remember that Alan Turing and his enigma machine were shortly before this field was introduced since he was/is the "father of computing" with Lovelace being one of the "women that programmed the computer")  were taken by men because, as the article states (IIRC have to reskim it as it's been months since I read it) gender roles:

Women are on average far better at socializing, bonding, giving care and empathy. So it's not a surprise they go for teaching, nursing etc instead of spending hours in a basement in front of a computer to code for whatever.

Like you stating, that killed their positions. "Oh, women can't/don't want to do programming. So let's get men into the field."

"Uh, actually we can and we started to help computing out. 'Debugging' actually happened due a woman finding a bug in the computer an--"

You: " Yeah, but they totally don't want to do that work because they're females amirite? *chugs energy drink and 'WHOO-YEAHS' fellow Bro-grammer*"

[thisismyusername]

thisismyusername is the SJW now.

It's almost like I can have many different opinions.
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Here's another article about this:

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/computer-programming-used-to-be-womens-work-718061/?no-ist

Now, it’s not that managers of yore respected women more than they do now. They simply saw computer programming as an easy job. It was like typing or filing to them and the development of software was less important than the development of hardware. So women wrote software, programmed and even told their male colleagues how to make the hardware better. (It turns out programming is hard, and women are actually just as good at it as men.)

What changed? Well, male programmers wanted to elevate their job out of the “women’s work” category. They created professional associations and discouraged the hiring of women. Ads began to connect women staffers with error and inefficiency. They instituted math puzzle tests for hiring purposes that gave men who had taken math classes an advantage, and personality tests that purported to find the ideal “programming type.”

So again: Basically what happened is -ing of the industry.

In other words, what basically happened is that comic of "I'LL DEFEND YOU MY FAIR DAMSEL" (race comic, I'm sure Wrath or somebody has it) when it comes to programming where men basically got the mentality you have and it drove women away. No fucking wonder women aren't going into Computer Science and other technical fields when "heh, women amirite?" mentality from men dominate those fields when it's been proven (AND SHOWN given women were the starting forces of computing) they can do those jobs.

[Raist]

 

I've read your "article" yes. Apparently you couldn't be arsed to actually read my posts though.

It's quite ironical that you invoke the damsel thing, considering YOU are the one stating that women were instantly and easily driven out of an entire field just because the meanie men changed some tests or some shit. It's like they're scared little things who can easily get tricked into abandoning a career choice.
I don't know about you, but the women I know would give no fucks and keep doing what they enjoy doing.

[thisismyusername]

It's quite ironical that you invoke the damsel thing, considering YOU are the one stating that women were instantly and easily driven out of an entire field just because the meanie men changed some tests or some shit. It's like they're scared little things who can easily get tricked into abandoning a career choice.

Given they have? Uh, kinda hard to argue against that, bro.

I don't know about you, but the women I know would give no fucks and keep doing what they enjoy doing.

So then why don't women go into programming? It can't be because men basically make them feel unwanted there right?

*insert numerous examples of sexism and sexual harassment from men programmers toward women programmers here*

...Hmmmmm, nah. Can't be.

[tiesto]

We've got plenty of women coders, QAs and business analysts at my job, but that could be due to being in the education software field. (Even with a massive push for diversity there were very few women in my last job in defense). None of the women at my current job get offended when I wear my game t-shirts in fact one of the BA's said she thought my FM Towns Marty shirt was cute as hell:

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I think too many people on GAF don't get out into the real world very much, if they did they'd see that (while there are a few bad apples) geeks can be pretty damn social and welcoming, and have active social lives / cute girlfriends / diverse friend circles. And that coders are a pretty diverse bunch of people in terms of interests too, it's not all Perl jokes and Star Wars references.

[thisismyusername]

We've got plenty of women coders, QAs and business analysts at my job, but that could be due to being in the education software field. Even with a massive push for diversity there were very few women in my last job in defense, so it could also be subject matter. None of the women at my current job get offended when I wear my game t-shirts in fact one of the BA's said she thought my FM Towns Marty shirt was cute as hell:

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I think too many people on GAF don't get out into the real world very much, if they did they'd see that (while there are a few bad apples) geeks can be pretty damn social and welcoming, and have active social lives / cute girlfriends / diverse friend circles.

Right. I'm not saying there isn't women in the field. But there is a cry of "why don't women go into this position!? Why don't we have more women in tech!?" And the sexism/sexual harassment along with the gender roles like Rast has/thinks is what kills the position for many women. The whole gender-roles that have dominated since the 1950's or so has completely fucked both sides in terms of acceptable jobs or wants/needs. Men can't be hairdressers, because that's "gay." Women can't be programmers because "that's a mans job and requires more thinking and less social work (oh if only these folks did pair-programming...) and thereby they don't want to do that because women are social animals amirite?"

So dumb. The days of the "WE CAN DO IT!" poster are basically long-gone and feminism hasn't (IMO) done enough to try to correct that and bring those days back in various industries.

[Shuri]

We've got plenty of women coders, QAs and business analysts at my job, but that could be due to being in the education software field. (Even with a massive push for diversity there were very few women in my last job in defense). None of the women at my current job get offended when I wear my game t-shirts in fact one of the BA's said she thought my FM Towns Marty shirt was cute as hell:

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I think too many people on GAF don't get out into the real world very much, if they did they'd see that (while there are a few bad apples) geeks can be pretty damn social and welcoming, and have active social lives / cute girlfriends / diverse friend circles. And that coders are a pretty diverse bunch of people in terms of interests too, it's not all Perl jokes and Star Wars references.

I can confirm this. Also the anti-social / hostile geek types don't tend to last long and end up fired. In the job market, those type of people are simply not employable, or get sought and destroyed by HR really fast.

Someone expression any kind of point of views that could be a liability is gone by the end of the day

They can't function in the real world and end up in low paying, dead end jobs.

[VomKriege]

Where did I say that women suck at maths? It's not about numbers. Nor is it about the ability to code. But what the profession will imply in terms of social interactions.

Besides, these professions you listed often involve some degree of social interactions where empathy and dialogue might be a plus, particularly helping people with their taxes, or providing financial advice in general, etc. I also used terms like "on average" and the like, so obviously I'm not making generalizations here.

I didn't pick maths because of what you said, but because numbers juggling makes it a tad closer to pure programming and because I don't think it conforms to what you listed : At that rate, almost all jobs involve "empathy" and "socializing". Most computer work will be perfomed within a team.

Why do you think that countries like scandinavia, which are by far the most liberal and equalitarian in europe, still show these massive differences. While they tend to be far lower in countries like India?

Pardon me if I missed the obvious : Massive differences in... ?

EDIT : Please note I'm not really interested or qualified to have a massive discussion on the matter. The major thing that bothered me with your post is the open-and-shut manner you adressed the issue of low female participation in CompSci classes (in the US, to stay within the frame of the GAF thread). That women -and sometimes minorities- are still unwelcome (not in the "All men are evil cackling phallocrats hating women" but more as "male dominated field largely begets itself out of habit") in some places is a thing and it's not out of question it is the case here.

[Raist]

It's quite ironical that you invoke the damsel thing, considering YOU are the one stating that women were instantly and easily driven out of an entire field just because the meanie men changed some tests or some shit. It's like they're scared little things who can easily get tricked into abandoning a career choice.

Given they have? Uh, kinda hard to argue against that, bro.

Maybe, just maybe it's a little bit more complex than just "men took our jerbz".

I don't know about you, but the women I know would give no fucks and keep doing what they enjoy doing.

So then why don't women go into programming? It can't be because men basically make them feel unwanted there right?

*insert numerous examples of sexism and sexual harassment from men programmers toward women programmers here*

...Hmmmmm, nah. Can't be.

I don't know, maybe it's just not that interesting to them, now that they basically have the choice to do anything they want?
Bizarrely, biology is a rather women-dominated field. So it can't just be that women suck at science, right?

Maybe they're more interested in studying that, than quantum mechanics? Just a crazy idea.

I just find it baffling that any mention of a biological basis for offering part of an explanation as to why we still see to this day vast differences in some fields, as opposed to believing than somehow women are less free and more oppressed than in the fucking 40's.

We know for a FACT that hormones (which, low and behold, are extremely different between men and women) not only lead to external, obvious anatomical differences, but also affect pretty much any aspect of physiology, be it less obvious and overt anatomical, metabolic, neurological, or immunological characteristics. There are countless non-X-linked diseases that are more prevalent in men than women, and vice versa. And so on.

So I really don't get the hysteria when people suggest that this could also affect many aspects of life, including career choices. One thing is for sure, repeating to women ad nauseum that men in field X are sexist pigs who don't want them around is certainly not going to fix anything (assuming there's actually something to fix in the first place).


I'd suggest watching this, it's actually really interesting:

[I'm a Puppy!]

If the patriarchy is keeping women from comp sci jobs why is it that India , a country with a hugely strong patriarchy, produces way more comp sci women as a percentage of working women than other more equitable countries? By like a lot

[Dennis]

If the patriarchy is keeping women from comp sci jobs why is it that India , a country with a hugely strong patriarchy, produces way more comp sci women as a percentage of working women than other more equitable countries? By like a lot

It is not the patriarchy that is keeping women from comp sci. It is that they perceived it as not the career they want. Low social status, nerd reputation, not cool high powered executive job like those classy women you see on TV. It just isn't an aspirational occupation for most women.

The patriarchy isn't telling woman they can't be construction workers but how many girls in high school want to be construction workers?

Work outside, get dirty, low social status. Why can't we admit that instantly turns off most women from that profession?

[VomKriege]

If the patriarchy is keeping women from comp sci jobs why is it that India , a country with a hugely strong patriarchy, produces way more comp sci women as a percentage of working women than other more equitable countries? By like a lot

I imagine this was what Raist was saying too ?
Most immediate theory I would propose is that it has to do with how such jobs are viewed in any particular place / culture / society ? Doesn't that undermine the idea that women would be "biologically" less inclined to do those jobs ?

[Take My Breh Away]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1308079
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=223085951#post223085951

Reminder that Evilore isn't even getting paid for blatant astroturfing threads like this

[Great Rumbler]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=223085951#post223085951

[D3RANG3D]

 

[Raist]

If the patriarchy is keeping women from comp sci jobs why is it that India , a country with a hugely strong patriarchy, produces way more comp sci women as a percentage of working women than other more equitable countries? By like a lot

I imagine this was what Raist was saying too ?
Most immediate theory I would propose is that it has to do with how such jobs are viewed in any particular place / culture / society ? Doesn't that undermine the idea that women would be "biologically" less inclined to do those jobs ?

Yes, that's one example I was referring too.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean.
It's not seen as a boys' club in India?
Or it's like a "cool" job and women want to go for it? In which case, why would women in India see it as a cool job, but women in the EU/NA can't?
Or is it that sexism is far more prevalent in the West than India?

The question is this: is compsci being a boy's club in the west because women are not welcome, or is it something that "just happened" to that field for whatever other reasons that have nothing to do with oppression or sexism and is now seen as a boys' club?

[archie4208]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1308079
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=223085951#post223085951

Reminder that Evilore isn't even getting paid for blatant astroturfing threads like this

Feels good not being beholden to a corporation and playing whatever you want. 

[Raist]

I miss the golden era of PC gaming TBH. You know, back when you'd never see 90% of games existing as well on consoles. And the few ports were incredibly dumbed down. It was perfectly complementary.

Now it's mostly turned into the same kind of comparisons than FR/Res differences between consoles X and Y

[VomKriege]

I'm not entirely sure what you mean. It's not seen as a boys' club in India? Or it's like a "cool" job and women want to go for it? In which case, why would women in India see it as a cool job, but women in the EU/NA can't? Or is it that sexism is far more prevalent in the West than India?

It seems evident that sexism takes different forms and expressions depending the society and the culture you are in, even if there's been some fairly consistent traits in the subjugation throughout history and several societies we are familiar with. I wouldn't dare pretending I have any expertise regarding indian culture so I won't piss in the wind. In the "Western world", women more readily accepted in clerical and assistant work and it's not impossible that Indian society perceive computing jobs like that.

The question is this: is compsci being a boy's club in the west because women are not welcome, or is it something that "just happened" to that field for whatever other reasons that have nothing to do with oppression or sexism and is now seen as a boys' club?

As I said above, I'll be perfectly content meeting halfway with you there : Framing it as a question and keeping all possible explanations on the table is fine by me and I accept that the answers might come both from biology and sociology.

[D3RANG3D]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223096583&postcount=1804

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223097555&postcount=1805

 

[Take My Breh Away]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=223100091#post223100091

[Raist]

Well, I never said it's 300%-written-in-stone-biological-rules either. But I don't understand people who rule it out entirely. And get mad about it. And basically imply that the world is a shittier place for women than it was 70 years ago.

Just watch the doc I posted above, I'm pretty much of the same opinion than the scientists in there. As opposed to the "nope, nothing biological about it. What am I basing this on? My feelz brah" social "scientists".

[seagrams hotsauce]

yeah those fake ass """social sciences""" lololololol

[MMaRsu]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1308079
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=223085951#post223085951

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Dumpsterfire

Selling a PC for a PSPro ROFL

[Raist]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1308079
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=223085951#post223085951

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Dumpsterfire

Selling a PC for a PSPro ROFL

Maybe it was a 486SX souped up with a Voodoo 3DfX

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My first "real" PC <3

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[Jansen]

   

Originally Posted by -VipeR

    My PSN is not the same as my steam id or xbox gamertag.
    And how did you know what my PSN is ?

    Don't post it here please.

It's in your profile...

The one you wrote, click on your username you nutter.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223104415&postcount=613

[Dennis]

Realest thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1308395

Comes home to find his wife with another man and then gets his ass beat by him.

[Jansen]

My man.

I regret falling for the PC "gaming" scam all those years ago.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223108255&postcount=676

[Rufus]

So let me get this straight. In the 40's and 50's it was a female dominated job, but somehow, while the sexual, social, civic and workplace liberation of women happened, the patriarchy just one day woke up and stole them jobs.

It had a lot to do with advertising and popular culture depicting everything computing as a boy's hobby.

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/10/21/357629765/when-women-stopped-coding

If the patriarchy is keeping women from comp sci jobs why is it that India , a country with a hugely strong patriarchy, produces way more comp sci women as a percentage of working women than other more equitable countries? By like a lot

Well, if that's true, that's a rather large counter to the biology argument then, isn't it...?

[Let's Cyber]

   

Originally Posted by -VipeR

    My PSN is not the same as my steam id or xbox gamertag.
    And how did you know what my PSN is ?

    Don't post it here please.

It's in your profile...

The one you wrote, click on your username you nutter.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223104415&postcount=613

wow I guess doxxing isn't bannable?

[zepblackstar]

Gaf getting mad at Dave Chappelle

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223101895&postcount=145

Dave voted for Hillary under protest but thats not enough .....

A gay white man and a white woman asking a multi-billionaire how he knows the system is rigged and insisting it’s not. Does that sound right to you? It didn’t seem right to me. And here’s how you know Trump is the most gangsta candidate ever.

 They asked him how he knows the system is rigged and he said, ‘Because I take advantage of it.’ He may as well have flashed his membership card for the Illuminati right then.”

[Jansen]

The comedian wasn’t feeling so much love for women’s rights, gay rights, and transgender rights activists, saying, “They should not be having that conversation in front of black people. You go ahead and feel something about your rights. But if you’re putting sexism and homophobia and transphobia in front of racism, you should be ashamed of yourself.” Chappelle still slammed North Carolina legislation stating that transgender people must use the public restroom that aligns with the sex stated on their respective birth certificates. “If you need to show your birth certificate to take a dump at a Wal-Mart in North Carolina, that’s insane.” Chappelle noted he would rather not have “a woman with a dick” stand next to him at a urinal. He also said he wasn’t happy about rumors that Caitlyn Jenner would pose nude for Sports Illustrated. “Sometimes I just want to read some stats.”

 

[Great Rumbler]

“What I heard on that tape was gross,” Chappelle said. “But the way I got to hear it was even more gross. You know that came directly from Hillary.”

 

[zomgee]

Louis C.K., Dave Chappelle, who is next?

What heroes will GAF have?

Sad.

Gross.

[zomgee]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1308471

Full disclaimer: I am a white male.

Kinda hope all news articles and publications start with those types of bylines.

[Let's Cyber]

GAF really should include race, age, political affiliation and salary underneath the usernames.  Also a link to an updated copy of their resume.

Just so we really know who we should or shouldn't be listening too.

[railGUN]

That Chappelle thread.

[seagrams hotsauce]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=223125383#post223125383

ffs

Sure, you wouldn't be surprised if the dude who wrote Clayton Bigsby, has the guy who wrote Black On Both Sides on speed dial, and already voted for Hillary started writing for brieitbart and posting Curt Schilling memes 

[seagrams hotsauce]

Also maybe, just maybe, he was working out material that he wasn't ready to tell to the public at large and didn't really want shared outside of that room, considering he made everyone put their phones in fucking soundproof containers? But then again, maybe he just did that cuz has the Michael Mckean thing from Better Call Saul and that was actually finished material and we can definitely trust that people are recalling it accurately

[zepblackstar]

That Chappelle thread.

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Gaffers mad, they will end Dave Chappelle career

[agrajag]

New H3H3 video out, beating the dead horse/Zarna lady. Waiting on GAF reactions.

[Sanjuro]

Oliver is a pretty bad comedian though.

And I like his show.

This post is like bad like your friend who just needs to tell the waitress her entree isn't perfect in every way.

OH STOP IT SAMANTHA. YOUR APPETIZER IS NOT TOO CRISPY. IT'S FINE SAMANTHA. YOU DON'T NEED TO TELL HER SAMANTHA FOR FUCKSAKE. 

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223132947

[railGUN]

That Chappelle thread be all

[clothedmacuser]

New H3H3 video out, beating the dead horse/Zarna lady. Waiting on GAF reactions.

Does he use "SJW" in a non-ironic way?  Because if so I will have to shut it off at that point.

[Syph]

"As a..." just fucking kill me right now

Also RIP one of the GOATs Dave Chappelle because you know 90% of people wont read the full article or comments and instead just hear one line out of context or whatever

[agrajag]

New H3H3 video out, beating the dead horse/Zarna lady. Waiting on GAF reactions.

Does he use "SJW" in a non-ironic way?  Because if so I will have to shut it off at that point.

maybe

[thisismyusername]

How is OP still not Juniored?!

[nudemacusers]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1308579

 

[bork]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223132947

You realize by "urban" they mean Black and it's an extension of African American vernacular dance that's a significant part of American dance, right?

The appropriate response to this post can only be:

[daemon]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1308579

 

I swear, the Orwellian dystopia wet dream of some gaffots is disturbing.

[bork]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1308079
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=223085951#post223085951

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Later on, the best response to that post popped up. 

He said:

Do it. I sold my high end a year ago.
Never looked back. PC made be obsessed, I barely was able to enjoy games.
All I cared about was how can I make the game run the best, with the best possible graphics.
I spent hours in the menu every-time. And let's not forget all the bad ports, pretty much every single triple A game. And all the errors and nonsense. Then I go to PC game forums and thousands upon thousand of posts about people having problems with the game. Not worth it. (Go check the PC performance threads on here, every time a game comes out. So sad). On my ps4, I put the disk in, update and play. If there is a problem (extremely rare), it's the developer's fault, no tinkering around needed, so beautiful.

Most online games on PC are filled with hackers, or dead on arrival, or die within months. infinite warfare right now is dead. Battlefront when it came out died quickly. Division was unplayable, due to hackers. F that.

I only care about 60 fps in a handful of games (fast arcade and fps). 30fps stable is 100% playable for me on consoles, even for some first person shooters. Destiny runs like a dream.
Modding is a pro of PC games. But I don't care anymore. It's a waste of time. By the time I finish a moddable game, there is another big game waiting for me to play, my backlog is huge, and there are always games coming out.

And I hate the PC elitists. with their "Build your rig" mentality. F off.

And my ass that PC gaming is cheaper. I have saved a ton of money by going the consoles route. Yes you pay for online buu it's cheap and you get a lot of free games that I would not have played otherwise.
I buy my games dirt cheap on black friday, and I have GCU from best buy I get a shit ton of discounts on new games. And when I'm done, my friend borrows it and I borrow his, and then I sell my games. You can't do that on Steam. Also PSN does a lot of giant sales. PC gaming is not cheaper in the longer run, another lie PC gamers want to believe to make themselves feel better.

This whole elitist mentality of some PC gamers pisses me off. The fact you pay a couple hundred dollars more than console gamers and you waste countless of hours tinkering around the options and configs does not make you elite or master by any means.I bet most of them drive crappy four cylinder cars.

You will love the PS4, it's like night and day compared to PS3. It's a system made for gaming, all the things they added to the OS, and the DVR. I also love trophies, and how they improved the ecosystem and the community.

You can downgrade your PC to get some money and still play xbox exclusives and that good AAA PC exclusive that comes out every two years(if any), or just sell it and later buy a cheap one . I just sold mine and might put together a cheapo one soon for CIV6 (if it doesnt come to consoles) and xbox games. But first, I'm waiting for the scorpio, to see whats what.

EDIT: Let's see how many ad hominem and strawman I get. So far I got plenty. Keep it coming. You have to justify your money and time somehow.

Good luck.

And was called out for being completely full of shit:

Do it. I sold my high end a year ago.
Never looked back.

sold your pc a year ago and never looked back, huh?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=218086709&postcount=10595

then why 2 months ago were you asking for advice on the purchase of a pre-built?

kind of makes me wonder about the motivations of your post

Posted at the end of September:

I am a PS4 gamer. Used to be a PC gamer couple month ago, but sold it. Don't feel like building. I want to get a small form factor PC to play PC exclusives (like strategy games) and xbox one games on it .

[Dennis]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1308587

[bork]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1308587

(Image removed from quote.)

Cringe-worthy.

[Phoenix Dark]

Realest thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1308395

Comes home to find his wife with another man and then gets his ass beat by him.

coli did it first (and better)
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/fight-breaks-out-when-a-husband-comes-home-and-finds-his-wife-cheating.479653/
 

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223139679&postcount=72

Happy to see so many people agree with me! I wouldn't want to name him Gerald because then the homage is completely lost I feel.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223142623&postcount=227

Ok reread all replies, not sure why lots of you think it's a bad idea but I guess having to explain the first name being from a videogame is weird to some people. My second idea is to let her choose the first name and we'll give him a middle name "of Rivia" that won't really be used in the day to day. It'll only show up on documents and such but retain the homage like I want.

Dude you're making a human being, not some plastic memorabilia.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223143183&postcount=255

Call him Knack, and then tell him he is a disappointment and no one ever wanted him.

[VomKriege]

Charitable GAF strikes again :

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223159027&postcount=71

Good, he doesn't deserve to die being a martyr. I want him to lose and die a penniless, old man with major health problems, with no one there to help him and choke in his own filth as he cries out for help with no one to lend a hand.

 

[Mupepe]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223139679&postcount=72

Happy to see so many people agree with me! I wouldn't want to name him Gerald because then the homage is completely lost I feel.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223142623&postcount=227

Ok reread all replies, not sure why lots of you think it's a bad idea but I guess having to explain the first name being from a videogame is weird to some people. My second idea is to let her choose the first name and we'll give him a middle name "of Rivia" that won't really be used in the day to day. It'll only show up on documents and such but retain the homage like I want.

Dude you're making a human being, not some plastic memorabilia.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223143183&postcount=255

Call him Knack, and then tell him he is a disappointment and no one ever wanted him.

Somehow his second idea/compromise is actually worse. What a fucking idiot. Clinton supporter I'm sure.