VOAT Containment Megathread of Trash People for Trash People

[benjipwns]

Gaf reads like fisher price my first election

[Shuri]

If my account was not banned, I would make a thread in the OT asking how many people have participated in the protests and various walks going on right now. You know, doing some actual protesting instead of posting how angry you are on neogaf

[Cerveza mas fina]

Like why go to a protest now, so fucking stupid should have been campaigning before instead of snapchatting you mongloids

You have to have an IQ deficiency to waste your time on that shit now

[Take My Breh Away]

Like why go to a protest now, so fucking stupid should have been campaiging before instead of snapchatting you mongloids

You have to have an IQ deficiancy to waste your time on that shit now

That would require going out of the hugbox when someone on TV and Twitter can make funny, snarky remarks about it you can repeat ad nauseum and not have to listen to the bad, nasty people

[Oblivion]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224233632&postcount=1

>our rights are in danger!
>lets fight back by removing rights to other people

 

When they want to punish millions for "daring" to exist, what other option is there?

Right-wing politics, as in the promotion of inequality versus equality, are morally wrong. With the far right taking attaining greater prominence in Western society, I think all citizens have an obligation to crush these harmful attitudes and protect those of us who stand to suffer.

benji why you ignoring me? 

[clothedmacuser]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1312956

   A good cheer up thread.

[agrajag]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1312956

   A good cheer up thread.

EDIT: Do not attack the Knights of columbus, they are not a part of the KKK. My parents have mislead me my entire life.

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224234274&postcount=21

Just being conservative is problematic.

[agrajag]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224234274&postcount=21

Just being conservative is problematic.

frankly it's gross

[Tasty]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1312956

   A good cheer up thread.

EDIT: Do not attack the Knights of columbus, they are not a part of the KKK. My parents have mislead me my entire life.

Fuck me. I might as well just go shoot myself like I was planning to do. Ain't no coming back from this.

[Tasty]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1313451

Fun in a movie? What's that?

Not that Sausage Party is Oscar worthy or anything, but for instance the OP getting upset at the rape joke completely misses the point. The douche is literally a frat bro douche and he's saying he'll deny any allegations. Talk about woosh.

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1312956

   A good cheer up thread.

You were about to lead a protest at a charitable organization based on heresy?

Kara, help

[Shuri]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1313451

Fun in a movie? What's that?

Not that Sausage Party is Oscar worthy or anything, but for instance the OP getting upset at the rape joke completely misses the point. The douche is literally a frat bro douche and he's saying he'll deny any allegations. Talk about woosh.

It wasn't a rape joke, the douche says something about "sometimes well you gotta do what you gotta do " before going down on the juice box. It's more of a gay reference.

[Tasty]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1313451

Fun in a movie? What's that?

Not that Sausage Party is Oscar worthy or anything, but for instance the OP getting upset at the rape joke completely misses the point. The douche is literally a frat bro douche and he's saying he'll deny any allegations. Talk about woosh.

It wasn't a rape joke, the douche says something about "sometimes well you gotta do what you gotta do " before going down on the juice box. It's more of a gay reference.

It's a couple things. Blowing a guy is still sexual assault without consent.

[Himu]

I am becoming more and more convinced that Lime is Dragona/Lyre and that they function as shadow moderators.

I'm telling you Lime is not Dragona. Dragona took a complete sabbatical from gaf and absolutely hates the site. It's like expecting Blackace or Red Scarlet to make an alt and go back to posting after being humiliated by staff. I cannot stress how much Dragona hates gaf and would groan any time it was mentioned.

OK, back to Theory 1.

As for lyre, he's not the writing type and wouldn't make a thread like that Trump gaming thread. He would laugh at that shit. Lyre is also a disgruntled gamer. As is Dragona. As far as I know, lime likes modern games. Any time I'd talk to draggy or lyre about modern games they'd make fun of how bad they look and how they feel passed by the industry. I do not know lime's taste in games but I know for a fact that Dragona and especially lyre would be laughing their asses off at such a weird desperate thread

I'd have to see Lime's Mega Man skills and love for competitive Pokemon to see if this Lyre.

Dragona loves Vallyrie Profile and so does Lime but...what other games does Like like?

[Himu]

I'm betting Lime is a RiskyChris alt.

[helios]

I'm betting Lime is a RiskyChris alt.

That would be the greatest thing.

[Tasty]

I'm betting Lime is a RiskyChris alt.

[clothedmacuser]

Lime

I sincerely hope the major players, as apolitical/amoral they may be, do create and foster cultures and environments that are opposed to hate and intolerance.

I would hate if they simply accept the views and subsequently normalize issues like racism, hating the poor, homophobia, and so on.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=224265252#post224265252

Game Developers, writers, and designers of the USA:  Well boys, Trump is the president. It's time to face it, we're all racist now, YEEEEEEEE HAAA!

[Vertigo]

With all the election shenanigans, and having to crush the smell of free thought and revolution in the air on off topic  The mods have obviously been neglecting gaming side.

Even for Gaf some of the PS4 Pro and PSVR astroturfing comments and threads from the last few days are hilariously blatant.

[bluemax]

What's the scoop on Blackace?

didn't he and the original basketball group of users get purged from the site by tyler?

Pretty close. They started their own forum and seem happier over there. It's basically a tamer, less populated coli.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1313307

Lime.

Over a dozen confirmed bans in that thread.

[Dennis]

I'm betting Lime is a RiskyChris alt.

 

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1313559

There is zero reason to build a budget gaming PC right now

[bork]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1313559

There is zero reason to build a budget gaming PC right now

PRICES AND LARGE FONT

REALLY GET MY POINT ACROSS

[Tasty]

Back posting on GAF.

[bork]

And...welcome to every video game generation cycle ever.  Prices fall and consoles can be had for cheaper prices.  What is the point here?  If you want a PC, it's for better performance/graphics, cheaper game prices, tons of games that are only on PC, and then stuff like mods and using it for things besides gaming.   You're paying $299 for what is now the "outdated" lower-end PS4 model and then have to pay an additional fee to play online and higher prices for new releases. 

[nudemacusers]

lol late but yes, when political and social issues are pushed to the forefront of our collective conscious, and there is real, pervasive concern about minority welfare and our future as a nation, I, a proud citizen-warrior of my people, turn not to my fellow countryman, my community, my political leaders for answers, hope, and a path forward, but nay, the disposable entertainment output multinational conglomerates. it is only there, the virtual land in which i stake my claim, that the the genesis of new, progressive, liberal, and robust ideas, the ideas that will shape the fortunes of future generations, can be allowed, established, communicated, and disseminated. i encourage every one of you to not turn your back on our nation even in this darkest of hour, but strike back. strike back and preorder. strike back and change your avatar on this forum to one of the many available within the latest AAA marketing campaign thread with a 20-post long opening salvo. and yes, strike back and buy the DLC. we'll need every tool at our disposal.

[Dennis]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1313559

There is zero reason to build a budget gaming PC right now

[Averon]

Man, I'm a goddamn idiot for thinking GAF would change just a little bit after their echo chamber shattered Tuesday night. It seems the staff and 'Lore will just double down on the path they are on.

As for that Lime thread, he/she is such a goddamn troll
GAFers really need to to educate themselves about Lime's shtick.

[Himu]

They can't be all that bad. They've got a thread (multiple threads) in the OT right now straight shitting on Hillary and her crap campaign.

Do you have any examples of the staff doubling down? I mean, aside from that Lime thread?

If they are, I'd probably say it's because of the violence and awfulness thrown peoples way in the wake of the election results. So they probably feel obligated to protect their users but aren't going at it in the best manner. I have to think they have the sites best interest in mind. They probably don't want to validate the opinions of assholes, but the problem with that tactic is you censor potentially useful positions worth considering. I've seen a lot of liberal sites talk about echo chambers this week and being more open to opposing views. I'd say give them time. The wounds are still fresh and raw.

[Himu]

Like why go to a protest now, so fucking stupid should have been campaigning before instead of snapchatting you mongloids

You have to have an IQ deficiency to waste your time on that shit now

Having been to an anti-Trump protest and planning on going to more, among protesters there's two camps:

1. People who are protesting Trump. Not necessarily that he won, because he won fair and square after all. But his rhetoric, his policies, and protesting him from enacting them. This is political protest made up of informed voters for the most part. This is a legitimate form of protest because it creates pressure on Trump and his administration before he's even inaugurated. It will also lower his already low approval rating.

2. People who are protesting that Hillary won the popular vote. These people want the electoral college abolished and are complaining that Hillary "won" even though she ran a half assed lazy af campaign. These people only want this "change" to benefit themselves and don't really understand how the process works and apparently only CA, TX, NY, and FL votes to count for anything.

To be honest, I don't trust a lot of them because I don't know how many of them didn't bother to vote or voted third party.

[seagrams hotsauce]

Fuck this thread and fuck the wildly disingenuous 'gotta hear both sides' shit that's pervading since tuesday. Shit makes me sick.

[Himu]

I think there's a differences between "got to hear both sides" and trying to understand why and how Hillary lost such a crucial election and the cultural attitudes surrounding it that contributed to it. Whether you agree that white working class voters in the rust belt voted through racism or not, nothing changes the fact that Hillary didn't go to Wisconsin once, and that her campaign was in panic mode the final few days to try to make sure they didn't lose Michigan because they had done polling only a few days before the election despite the fact she lost it to Sanders.

One take waves away concerns. The other one tries to understand wtf happened so this can never happen again.

If you treat this election with a blanket assumption "they're all racist and there's nothing better she and her campaign could have done" then you have learned nothing from the loss and we are doomed to repeat it.

The problem with many in the BCT and elsewhere is that's there's a "fuck them" attitude. That's not bad by itself because I agree with them and that's why I plan on protesting Trump with all of my being. The problem is they  have conflsted an attempt to understand why Democrats lost so badly on Tuesday with "what about both sides?"

Because let's be honest, Hillary lost blue states that were given. Piling them all as racist seems incredibly dismissive and very unwise as we continue forward.

[seagrams hotsauce]

nm im drunk and not articulating shit well at all

[Averon]

Clinton shat the bed because the typical Rust Belt voter who want their old way for life back heard nothing from her that convinced them that she'd improve their lives. It is hard to say, but Joe from rural Ohio who is out of a job because the local factory closed down due to automation or job shipping to Mexico or China doesn't care about police brutality or gay right. Or at the very least they put their family's financial situation above those other issues.

The next Democratic nominee is going to have find a way connect to those rural voters' needs while also not putting minorities and LGBT rights on the back burner. Obama what able to put this off in 2008 and 2012, so it is not an impossible task.

[benjipwns]

The next Democratic nominee is going to have find a way connect to those rural voters' needs while also no putting minorities and LGBT rights on the back burner.

Or we could start the war now, while Obama is Commander-in-Chief with control of the military, and able to stop this fascist coup and save democracy.

Waiting for another nominee isn't going to mean much when the FBI, Russian hackers and propagandists back the ignorant filth once again to thwart the true will of the American people and steal the nation from its citizens.

[benjipwns]

The whole post-fascist period is one of clear and present danger. Consequently, true pacification requires the withdrawal of tolerance before the deed, at the stage of communication in word, print, and picture. Such extreme suspension of the right of free speech and free assembly is indeed justified only if the whole of society is in extreme danger. I maintain that our society is in such an emergency situation, and that it has become the normal state of affairs. Different opinions and 'philosophies' can no longer compete peacefully for adherence and persuasion on rational grounds: the 'marketplace of ideas' is organized and delimited by those who determine the national and the individual interest. In this society, for which the ideologists have proclaimed the 'end of ideology', the false consciousness has become the general consciousness--from the government down to its last objects. The small and powerless minorities which struggle against the false consciousness and its beneficiaries must be helped: their continued existence is more important than the preservation of abused rights and liberties which grant constitutional powers to those who oppress these minorities. It should be evident by now that the exercise of civil rights by those who don't have them presupposes the withdrawal of civil rights from those who prevent their exercise, and that liberation of the Damned of the Earth presupposes suppression not only of their old but also of their new masters.

Withdrawal of tolerance from regressive movements before they can become active; intolerance even toward thought, opinion, and word, and finally, intolerance in the opposite direction, that is, toward the self-styled conservatives, to the political Right--these anti-democratic notions respond to the actual development of the democratic society which has destroyed the basis for universal tolerance. The conditions under which tolerance can again become a liberating and humanizing force have still to be created. When tolerance mainly serves the protection and preservation of a repressive society, when it serves to neutralize opposition and to render men immune against other and better forms of life, then tolerance has been perverted. And when this perversion starts in the mind of the individual, in his consciousness, his needs, when heteronomous interests occupy him before he can experience his servitude, then the efforts to counteract his dehumanization must begin at the place of entrance, there where the false consciousness takes form (or rather: is systematically formed)--it must begin with stopping the words and images which feed this consciousness. To be sure, this is censorship, even precensorship, but openly directed against the more or less hidden censorship that permeates the free media. Where the false consciousness has become prevalent in national and popular behavior, it translates itself almost immediately into practice: the safe distance between ideology and reality, repressive thought and repressive action, between the word of destruction and the deed of destruction is dangerously shortened. Thus, the break through the false consciousness may provide the Archimedean point for a larger emancipation--at an infinitesimally small spot, to be sure, but it is on the enlargement of such small spots that the chance of change depends.

UNDER the conditions prevailing in this country, tolerance does not, and cannot, fulfill the civilizing function attributed to it by the liberal protagonists of democracy, namely, protection of dissent. The progressive historical force of tolerance lies in its extension to those modes and forms of dissent which are not committed to the status quo of society, and not confined to the institutional framework of the established society. Consequently, the idea of tolerance implies the necessity, for the dissenting group or individuals, to become illegitimate if and when the established legitimacy prevents and counteracts the development of dissent. This would be the case not only in a totalitarian society, under a dictatorship, in one-party states, but also in a democracy (representative, parliamentary, or 'direct') where the majority does not result from the development of independent thought and opinion but rather from the monopolistic or oligopolistic administration of public opinion, without terror and (normally) without censorship. In such cases, the majority is self-perpetuating while perpetuating the vested interests which made it a majority. In its very structure this majority is 'closed', petrified; it repels a priori any change other than changes within the system. But this means that the majority is no longer justified in claiming the democratic title of the best guardian of the common interest. And such a majority is all but the opposite of Rousseau's 'general will': it is composed, not of individuals who, in their political functions, have made effective 'abstraction' from their private interests, but, on the contrary, of individuals who have effectively identified their private. interests with their political functions. And the representatives of this majority, in ascertaining and executing its will, ascertain and execute the will of the vested interests, which have formed the majority. The ideology of democracy hides its lack of substance.

[benjipwns]

finally, getting around to real world solutions:

Are there any countries with better media and what can we do to try and emulate that, especially without breaking the first amendment?

We need to get a public station with an equivalent level of relevance as the BBC has in England. Something where we can actually enforce reasonable reporting standards.

[archie4208]

And...welcome to every video game generation cycle ever.  Prices fall and consoles can be had for cheaper prices.  What is the point here?  If you want a PC, it's for better performance/graphics, cheaper game prices, tons of games that are only on PC, and then stuff like mods and using it for things besides gaming.   You're paying $299 for what is now the "outdated" lower-end PS4 model and then have to pay an additional fee to play online and higher prices for new releases.

Can't wait to slap a $350 Nvidia 1170 card in my PC next year and absolutely crush the PS4 Pro. 

t. PS4 Pro owner.

[Raist]

finally, getting around to real world solutions:

Are there any countries with better media and what can we do to try and emulate that, especially without breaking the first amendment?

We need to get a public station with an equivalent level of relevance as the BBC has in England. Something where we can actually enforce reasonable reporting standards.

We need to get a public station with an equivalent level of relevance as the BBC has in England. Something where we can actually enforce reasonable reporting standards.

the BBC has in England. Something where we can actually enforce reasonable reporting standards.

the BBC. reasonable reporting standards.

 

[Optimus]

GAF lost relevancy and visitors. It never had mindshare. At a certain point, Tyler just went in on the idea that he was going to lose visitors but cultivate a core base of users so extremely non-questioning that its still attractive to advertisers. As in, he can't compete with reddit, but he can give companies a garden of useful idiots that may be more susceptible to native advertising and ads in general than reddit can.

However, those type of users can't handle losing or alterations or any glitch in the system, so they're melting down. There is no moderation answer to that. Just gotta contain the meltdown and hope the user loss isn't too severe for your dwindling monetary gains.

I've been wondering for quite a while what the fuck he's been doing. I mean look at this disaster:



Yours is the only explanation that makes any kind of sense. Still that's a risky strategy, it's the same one somethingawful followed too which resulted in the forum becoming completely irrelevant.

[Averon]

I don't think 'Lore cares about relevancy as long as the ad dollars continue to flow.

[Take My Breh Away]

I don't think 'Lore cares about relevancy as long as the ad dollars continue to flow.

That's the problem. They aren't flowing as much as they used to when they had quality ads and he's resorting to bad ad networks that push malware and pop-unders to scrape some money out of it. Then feigning ignorance and claiming he will fix it when brought up on it. And even then those bad ad networks pay nowhere near as much better as the ad networks or placed ads on the front page.

Evilore is fiddling while neogaf burns.

[VomKriege]

finally, getting around to real world solutions:

Are there any countries with better media and what can we do to try and emulate that, especially without breaking the first amendment?

We need to get a public station with an equivalent level of relevance as the BBC has in England. Something where we can actually enforce reasonable reporting standards.

That's the price of a free press. Public channels in Europe are not preventing the rise of far right. That's giving media too much credit to be fair. They can raise the standard and elevate the quality of programming but it's always an uphill battle.

There's a public Franco-German national network channel called Arte. It's great, thoughtful & intelligent. Viewership is only a couple million or so. It is what it is. Guess it's the same for PBS, NPR or Cspan.

People elected Trump because really we're all dumb feggits.

[Rufus]

finally, getting around to real world solutions:

Are there any countries with better media and what can we do to try and emulate that, especially without breaking the first amendment?

We need to get a public station with an equivalent level of relevance as the BBC has in England. Something where we can actually enforce reasonable reporting standards.

That's the price of a free press. Public channels in Europe are not preventing the rise of far right. That's giving media too much credit to be fair. They can raise the standard and elevate the quality of programming but it's always an uphill battle.

Over here in Germany, established media are all written off as being liars ("Lügenpresse)" anyway. By people who now get their news from Facebook and questionable blogs. With a certain segment, that fight is forever lost.

[Raist]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224295051&postcount=1979

call me when you remove the obnoxious adverts, neogaf

[Cerveza mas fina]

Lore doubling down on his shitty moderation means neogaf will burn out quicker

[wsippel]

finally, getting around to real world solutions:

Are there any countries with better media and what can we do to try and emulate that, especially without breaking the first amendment?

We need to get a public station with an equivalent level of relevance as the BBC has in England. Something where we can actually enforce reasonable reporting standards.

That's the price of a free press. Public channels in Europe are not preventing the rise of far right. That's giving media too much credit to be fair. They can raise the standard and elevate the quality of programming but it's always an uphill battle.

Over here in Germany, established media are all written off as being liars ("Lügenpresse)" anyway. By people who now get their news from Facebook and questionable blogs. With a certain segment, that fight is forever lost.

That's really their own damn fault. Many established outlets, ZDF and Spiegel in particular, are incredibly and obviously biased. An example: Just recently, they made a big deal out of the attack on a Turkish café in Essen - until the police reported that Kurdish extremists, not neo nazis, were responsible, and they suddenly stopped caring and started focusing on other, less relevant shit that better fits their agenda. Funnily enough, one of the most entertaining liberal conservative writers in Germany, Achim Winter, works for the ZDF, but he only gets three minutes every Friday.

The US election could have served as a wake-up call, but they have their heads stuck so far up their own asses, they instead decided to double down. Then again, they didn't learn anything from Brexit either. Kinda sad, really.

[Momo]

Lore doubling down on his shitty moderation means neogaf will burn out quicker

It's completely cartoonish how there was a sliver of a thought that they were out of touch and then they effectively blamed the kids and tripled down.

[MMaRsu]

Lore doubling down on his shitty moderation means neogaf will burn out quicker

Good. Fuck Evilore and his shitty mod team

 

[zepblackstar]

Man, I'm a goddamn idiot for thinking GAF would change just a little bit after their echo chamber shattered Tuesday night. It seems the staff and 'Lore will just double down on the path they are on.

As for that Lime thread, he/she is such a goddamn troll
GAFers really need to to educate themselves about Lime's shtick.

no way, this is the perfect time to double down and make it known as a safe place for that kind of poster.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Somewhat enjoying GAF being like "Religion is such a farce. Look at all the shit it's done LOL! Christianity what a cult!"

Then one of their friends is like "Yeah, I mean look at islam and all the problems it's caused!"

And GAF is like "How could you say that?! I'm cutting you out of my life!!!"

[ToxicAdam]

Clinton shat the bed because the typical Rust Belt voter who want their old way for life back heard nothing from her that convinced them that she'd improve their lives. It is hard to say, but Joe from rural Ohio who is out of a job because the local factory closed down due to automation or job shipping to Mexico or China doesn't care about police brutality or gay right. Or at the very least they put their family's financial situation above those other issues.

I think some of it is because Democrats nationally have cried wolf for too long. Every candidate that the Republicans present is the worst 'racist, misogynist, fascist' we have ever seen (even milquetoast dudes like Romney) that when the 'real thing' finally showed up, those concerns carried less merit with the average moderate white voter. It was rhetoric they've heard for the past 5 decades.

[Shuri]

gaf #nextrend - bragging about how many people you've cut off due to the elections. The higher, the better

[zomgee]

Fuck this thread and fuck the wildly disingenuous 'gotta hear both sides' shit that's pervading since tuesday. Shit makes me sick.

Look, the truth of the matter is there will always be a both sides argument but there will also always be a need to steer people in the right direction.

The PS4 and the PC can complement each other but when in comes to real pure gaming you can get a PS4 with Uncharted 4 for

$299.00

This is why we fight. 

[Himu]

Somewhat enjoying GAF being like "Religion is such a farce. Look at all the shit it's done LOL! Christianity what a cult!"

Then one of their friends is like "Yeah, I mean look at islam and all the problems it's caused!"

And GAF is like "How could you say that?! I'm cutting you out of my life!!!"

I know you're trying to be a smart ass but please point to me where gaffers want all Christian's to be on a list, think Christianity is a violent and dangerous religion that will destroy us all, and want Christian's deported? Furthermore, when people on the right generally say Muslim, they think of brown and black people, so there's a racial component as well.

Your attempt to try to sniff hypocrisy out of gaffers is try hard and incredibly disingenuous. All it does it makes you look silly.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Because saying "look at what islam has caused" is exactly the same as saying "Round up them musins!"

[MMaRsu]

Fuck this thread and fuck the wildly disingenuous 'gotta hear both sides' shit that's pervading since tuesday. Shit makes me sick.

Look, the truth of the matter is there will always be a both sides argument but there will also always be a need to steer people in the right direction.

The PS4 and the PC can complement each other but when in comes to real pure gaming you can get a PS4 with Uncharted 4 for

$299.00

This is why we fight.

Exactly I heard you need at least 1500$ to build a decent gaming pc so yea

[Himu]

Because saying "look at what islam has caused" is exactly the same as saying "Round up them musins!"

I'm assuming you're referencing to the thread that was made today about the poster whose friend is an alt-right supporter. The alt-right has no sympathetic views of Islam and their argument certainly isn't "look at what islam has caused". The alt-right also supports Trump who literally said that he wants all Muslims in America to be documented and potentially deported. But somehow this is the same equivalent to being hard on Christianity. Furthermore, a lot of "look at what Islam has caused" rhetoric is full of anti-Islamists of the Sam Harris/Bill Maher ilk who excuse racism in the face of being critical of Islam.

Let's be honest. Most criticisms towards Islam isn't "look at what islam has caused".

Your Mormonism is showing.

[Himu]

For a short time, yeah, but I'm not seeing how it takes away from my argument.