VOAT Containment Megathread of Trash People for Trash People

[Phoenix Dark]

Abrahamic religion

[I'm a Puppy!]

Because saying "look at what islam has caused" is exactly the same as saying "Round up them musins!"

I'm assuming you're referencing to the thread that was made today about the poster whose friend is an alt-right supporter. The alt-right has no sympathetic views of Islam and their argument certainly isn't "look at what islam has caused". The alt-right also supports Trump who literally said that he wants all Muslims in America to be documented and potentially deported. But somehow this is the same equivalent to being hard on Christianity. Furthermore, a lot of "look at what Islam has caused" rhetoric is full of anti-Islamists of the Sam Harris/Bill Maher ilk who excuse racism in the face of being critical of Islam.

Let's be honest. Most criticisms towards Islam isn't "look at what islam has caused".

Your Mormonism is showing.

Damn right it is. Who better to tell you what an echo-chamber looks like than someone who was in one for decades?

[Cerveza mas fina]

no more echo chamber talk plz guys stop

[Cerveza mas fina]

bruv ima put my d in your echo chamber if you dont chill

[I'm a Puppy!]

Finally, gay subtext is coming back

[railGUN]

NeoGAF? More like Live Journal, am i rite? 

[Cerveza mas fina]

[Optimus]

Because saying "look at what islam has caused" is exactly the same as saying "Round up them musins!"

I'm assuming you're referencing to the thread that was made today about the poster whose friend is an alt-right supporter. The alt-right has no sympathetic views of Islam and their argument certainly isn't "look at what islam has caused". The alt-right also supports Trump who literally said that he wants all Muslims in America to be documented and potentially deported. But somehow this is the same equivalent to being hard on Christianity. Furthermore, a lot of "look at what Islam has caused" rhetoric is full of anti-Islamists of the Sam Harris/Bill Maher ilk who excuse racism in the face of being critical of Islam.

Let's be honest. Most criticisms towards Islam isn't "look at what islam has caused".

Your Mormonism is showing.

Newsflash: Religion isn't a race. I dislike Islam which I consider the most toxic religion on the planet and consider its fundies complete morons (not saying much though, all religious fundies are complete morons). Nope not a racist. I also dislike capitalism and have little respect for its fundies aka libertarians. Nope not a racist either. Both ideologies btw.

 It's stupid accusations like that that are getting spammed in the media and Hollywood the last few years what made people sick of identity politics whining so they stopped taking it seriously altogether. It numbed them so much that they didn't even have a problem with Trump anymore. Congrats, you're part of the problem, say whatever you want about gamergate but many in that community whose majority btw is left and anti-authoritarian, had predicted that kind of backlash.

[Himu]

Because saying "look at what islam has caused" is exactly the same as saying "Round up them musins!"

I'm assuming you're referencing to the thread that was made today about the poster whose friend is an alt-right supporter. The alt-right has no sympathetic views of Islam and their argument certainly isn't "look at what islam has caused". The alt-right also supports Trump who literally said that he wants all Muslims in America to be documented and potentially deported. But somehow this is the same equivalent to being hard on Christianity. Furthermore, a lot of "look at what Islam has caused" rhetoric is full of anti-Islamists of the Sam Harris/Bill Maher ilk who excuse racism in the face of being critical of Islam.

Let's be honest. Most criticisms towards Islam isn't "look at what islam has caused".

Your Mormonism is showing.

Pretty sure you can be alt-left and have no sympathies to Islam. Not sure why you're tying criticism of Islam to alt-right, or that being critical of Islam = you want them all put on a list or round up and shot.

The criticism is from the fact that the thread he was most likely referring to mentioned someone being alt right and not liking Islam. The alt right does not like Islam for reasons anyone should really empathize with. If he wasn't referring to that thread, then I don't know what he was referring to. I don't think I denied alt left could not be anti-Islam. I did after all bring up Sam Harris and Bill Maher.

[Himu]

Because saying "look at what islam has caused" is exactly the same as saying "Round up them musins!"

I'm assuming you're referencing to the thread that was made today about the poster whose friend is an alt-right supporter. The alt-right has no sympathetic views of Islam and their argument certainly isn't "look at what islam has caused". The alt-right also supports Trump who literally said that he wants all Muslims in America to be documented and potentially deported. But somehow this is the same equivalent to being hard on Christianity. Furthermore, a lot of "look at what Islam has caused" rhetoric is full of anti-Islamists of the Sam Harris/Bill Maher ilk who excuse racism in the face of being critical of Islam.

Let's be honest. Most criticisms towards Islam isn't "look at what islam has caused".

Your Mormonism is showing.

Newsflash: Religion isn't a race. I dislike Islam which I consider the most toxic religion on the planet and consider its fundies complete morons (not saying much though, all religious fundies are complete morons). Nope not a racist. I also dislike capitalism and have little respect for its fundies aka libertarians. Nope not a racist either. Both ideologies btw.

 It's stupid accusations like that that are getting spammed in the media and Hollywood the last few years what made people sick of identity politics whining so they stopped taking it seriously altogether. It numbed them so much that they didn't even have a problem with Trump anymore. Congrats, you're part of the problem, say whatever you want about gamergate but many in that community whose majority btw is left and anti-authoritarian, had predicted that kind of backlash.

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[Optimus]

Because saying "look at what islam has caused" is exactly the same as saying "Round up them musins!"

I'm assuming you're referencing to the thread that was made today about the poster whose friend is an alt-right supporter. The alt-right has no sympathetic views of Islam and their argument certainly isn't "look at what islam has caused". The alt-right also supports Trump who literally said that he wants all Muslims in America to be documented and potentially deported. But somehow this is the same equivalent to being hard on Christianity. Furthermore, a lot of "look at what Islam has caused" rhetoric is full of anti-Islamists of the Sam Harris/Bill Maher ilk who excuse racism in the face of being critical of Islam.

Let's be honest. Most criticisms towards Islam isn't "look at what islam has caused".

Your Mormonism is showing.

Newsflash: Religion isn't a race. I dislike Islam which I consider the most toxic religion on the planet and consider its fundies complete morons (not saying much though, all religious fundies are complete morons). Nope not a racist. I also dislike capitalism and have little respect for its fundies aka libertarians. Nope not a racist either. Both ideologies btw.

 It's stupid accusations like that that are getting spammed in the media and Hollywood the last few years what made people sick of identity politics whining so they stopped taking it seriously altogether. It numbed them so much that they didn't even have a problem with Trump anymore. Congrats, you're part of the problem, say whatever you want about gamergate but many in that community whose majority btw is left and anti-authoritarian, had predicted that kind of backlash.

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I prefer I can't even and wow. If you're gonna copy neogaf on how they're arguing you should do it right.

[Optimus]

When people say Muslims, they mean arab people in general. I've been called muslim countless times while I've been farthest from the fact.

It's kinda like how Jewish means religion and race, it's like that for most people. Liberal or Conservative, people always assume I'm a muslim from how I look or how weird my name sounds to them.

So let me follow the logic here. Bill Maher who has been a long time atheist and critic of religion should not criticize Islam because that makes him racist since some people think that all arabic looking men are Muslims. Following that logic in the 70s it would be racist to criticize communism because people assumed that all Russians are communists.

[helios]

I believe the term is "bigot" or "religiously intolerant"

[Optimus]

When people say Muslims, they mean arab people in general. I've been called muslim countless times while I've been farthest from the fact.

It's kinda like how Jewish means religion and race, it's like that for most people. Liberal or Conservative, people always assume I'm a muslim from how I look or how weird my name sounds to them.

So let me follow the logic here. Bill Maher who has been a long time atheist and critic of religion should not criticize Islam because that makes him racist since some people think that all arabic looking men are Muslims. Following that logic in the 70s it would be racist to criticize communism because people assumed that all Russians are communists.

Where did I say that? Was just adding in my two cents as, you know, the only arab person who regularly posts in this forum.

But OK overly sensitive cunt who feels as if a dumb fucktard getting elected as president validates his views. Keep reaching.

I'm the oversensitive cunt? Tell me who's the one who just imploded because someone dared to argue with him, me or you? And if that wasn't your fucking point what was it? Because you clearly tried to connect religion, which is an ideology, with race and then acted like a complete asshole when I challenged that way of thinking. You can hear some people's bubble bursting from a mile away in this forum.

[etiolate]

It's a loop. People like Maher don't mean Arab when they say Muslim. However, there are people who take Islamic criticism as racism. (like Derp Afleck.) This then reinforces ideas that Muslim = Arab, so ppl like Wraith get called Muslim by default by the sort of person who just hears the noise as noise rather than hear the arguments within.

[Optimus]

You didn't challenge anybody, you went off on your own tangent. I wasn't talking about Bill Maher at all, you're the one who made the assumption that I did.

And what I say is true. I'm not the one connecting a religion to a race but they are clearly connected to most people. That's how people view the term muslim, as an interchangeable word to arab. How is saying that such a farce? Especially when in my experience arabs are assumed as muslim unless proven otherwise.

I don't even see muslim as a negative term, just an incorrect one. Considering how many are christian, jewish, or atheist like myself.

OK, let's assume that you weren't agreeing with Himuro then. So what is your point, does it make you racist to criticize an ideology/religion and the people who follow it, yes or no? If it does how the hell ARE we gonna be able to offer criticism against a shitty ideology? Should we just ignore the problems with is as it continues fucking up society? If it doesn't then I guess with agree with each other.

[Himu]

Because saying "look at what islam has caused" is exactly the same as saying "Round up them musins!"

I'm assuming you're referencing to the thread that was made today about the poster whose friend is an alt-right supporter. The alt-right has no sympathetic views of Islam and their argument certainly isn't "look at what islam has caused". The alt-right also supports Trump who literally said that he wants all Muslims in America to be documented and potentially deported. But somehow this is the same equivalent to being hard on Christianity. Furthermore, a lot of "look at what Islam has caused" rhetoric is full of anti-Islamists of the Sam Harris/Bill Maher ilk who excuse racism in the face of being critical of Islam.

Let's be honest. Most criticisms towards Islam isn't "look at what islam has caused".

Your Mormonism is showing.

Newsflash: Religion isn't a race. I dislike Islam which I consider the most toxic religion on the planet and consider its fundies complete morons (not saying much though, all religious fundies are complete morons). Nope not a racist. I also dislike capitalism and have little respect for its fundies aka libertarians. Nope not a racist either. Both ideologies btw.

 It's stupid accusations like that that are getting spammed in the media and Hollywood the last few years what made people sick of identity politics whining so they stopped taking it seriously altogether. It numbed them so much that they didn't even have a problem with Trump anymore. Congrats, you're part of the problem, say whatever you want about gamergate but many in that community whose majority btw is left and anti-authoritarian, had predicted that kind of backlash.

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I prefer I can't even and wow. If you're gonna copy neogaf on how they're arguing you should do it right.

Huh? I don't want want to argue with anyone on this who doesn't recognize when most people mean Muslim they generally mean Arabs. This is common knowledge and I'm not sure why that fact would bother you. It's not worth arguing over if you don't at least agree with that point.

[etiolate]

Protip: Don't mistake Himu's constant hysteria with Wraith.

[agrajag]

Can't we all agree that while not all arabs are muslim and not all muslims are arabs, the vast majority of arabs are muslim?

And can't we all agree that while islamaphobia is real and problematic (and usually overlaps with arabophobia, as shown by ignorant Americans saying things like "I don't trust Obama, he's one of them ay-rabs," which is racist), its root lies in fear of extremist pro-Islamic terrorist organizations that run rampant in the Middle East and archaic (barbaric in many westerner's eyes) customs of the land? Which were in turn highly exacerbated or outright caused by western imperialism?

[Himu]

Protip: Don't mistake Himu's constant hysteria with Wraith.

Constant hysteria? okay

[Himu]

Can't we all agree that while not all arabs are muslim and not all muslims are arabs, the vast majority of arabs are muslim?

And can't we all agree that while islamaphobia is real and problematic (and usually overlaps with arabophobia, as shown by ignorant Americans saying things like "I don't trust Obama, he's one of them ay-rabs," which is racist), its root lies in fear of extremist pro-Islamic terrorist organizations that run rampant in the Middle East and archaic (barbaric in many westerner's eyes) customs of the land? Which were in turn highly exacerbated or outright caused by western imperialism?

Right. I don't understand how we got to this point after Ronito's poor quip on gaffers. I never said all Muslims are Arabs. but generally Arabs are thought to be Muslim. This is exactly what Wrath said.

[Optimus]

You didn't challenge anybody, you went off on your own tangent. I wasn't talking about Bill Maher at all, you're the one who made the assumption that I did.

And what I say is true. I'm not the one connecting a religion to a race but they are clearly connected to most people. That's how people view the term muslim, as an interchangeable word to arab. How is saying that such a farce? Especially when in my experience arabs are assumed as muslim unless proven otherwise.

I don't even see muslim as a negative term, just an incorrect one. Considering how many are christian, jewish, or atheist like myself.

OK, let's assume that you weren't agreeing with Himuro then. So what is your point, does it make you racist to criticize an ideology/religion and the people who follow it, yes or no? If it does how the hell ARE we gonna be able to offer criticism against a shitty ideology? Should we just ignore the problems with is as it continues fucking up society? If it doesn't then I guess with agree with each other.

My point is that yes, muslim to a lot of people just means Arab. What's your point? Honestly, what is it? Muslim and Arab aren't mutually exclusive? Did anyone disagree with that?

I'm not even arguing agains anything, just pointing out that to a lot of people muslim and Arab mean the same thing. Not that it's a bad thing just an incorrect thing, only a bad thing in some contexts.

Generalizing about groups of people based on the way they look/where they were born is a bad thing, yes. That is completely irrelevant to the discussion, though. As you've seen Himuro is trying to piggyback on your comment to support her crazy theory (not exactly hers but anyway) that criticizing Islam is racism.  Your problem is with the morons who assume that you follow a specific ideology because of the way you look not with the people who criticize that ideology.

[Himu]

What! Wrath is basically saying the same thing I initially said. You just have a problem with reading because you're a little contrarian.

Criticizing Islam isn't racism, and I never said it was.

[etiolate]

Can't we all agree that while not all arabs are muslim and not all muslims are arabs, the vast majority of arabs are muslim?

Pretty much. And we can agree that not all Arab Muslims are fundamentalists incompatible with the Western world.

And can't we all agree that while islamaphobia is real and problematic (and usually overlaps with arabophobia, as shown by ignorant Americans saying things like "I don't trust Obama, he's one of them ay-rabs," which is racist), its root lies in fear of extremist pro-Islamic terrorist organizations that run rampant in the Middle East and archaic (barbaric in many westerner's eyes) customs of the land? Which were in turn highly exacerbated or outright caused by western imperialism?

I think there is where things get messy.

Also, I would suggest stop using the word "problematic". It's a weasel word that escapes defining what the problem in particular is so that the speaker can't be held accountable for any arguable point. Just find what the actual problem is and state that. If you can't find an actual problem then it's not problematic.

[Optimus]

What! Wrath is basically saying the same thing I initially said. You just have a problem with reading because you're a little contrarian.

Criticizing Islam isn't racism, and I never said it was.

Furthermore, a lot of "look at what Islam has caused" rhetoric is full of anti-Islamists of the Sam Harris/Bill Maher ilk who excuse racism in the face of being critical of Islam.

Hmmmm....

[Himu]

So you agree that you can't read for shit because I clearly said "a lot" not "all"?

The problem is we don't know what Ronito is even referring to. Is he talking about the thread where dude cuts out his alt right friend for not liking Muslims? I don't know. I can only assume. So I went with that because his post was a shit post.

[agrajag]

You don't know me very well, so I will explain. I ironically co opted the word problematic from GAF. In this case it was useful because, while lacking nuance, it let me convey a sentiment that I think is familiar to us all and shouldn't need multiple paragraphs of explanation. I am not going to sit here and lecture anyone why it's wrong to generalize people based on ethnicity or how its dangerous to buy into nationalist rhetoric. Plus I am lazy.

[etiolate]

You don't know me very well, so I will explain. I ironically co opted the word problematic from GAF. In this case it was useful because, while lacking nuance, it let me convey a sentiment that I think is familiar to us all and shouldn't need multiple paragraphs of explanation. I am not going to sit here and lecture anyone why it's wrong to generalize people based on ethnicity or how its dangerous to buy into nationalist rhetoric. Plus I am lazy.

I did not mean it as an attack. I just think the word should be left in the dust where it belongs. Generally,for the sake of clarity and figuring out what is meant, it's best not to use that term rather than use it. I would even say that the trouble with how people use the word and how I used to use the word is the very assumption that we don't need paragraphs of explanation. More often than realized, we actually do.

[Optimus]

So you agree that you can't read for shit because I clearly said "a lot" not "all"?

The problem is we don't know what Ronito is even referring to. Is he talking about the thread where dude cuts out his alt right friend for not liking Muslims? I don't know. I can only assume. So I went with that because his post was a shit post.

Except for the fact that just after that you talked about "anti-Islamists" as if they're bigots and mentioned Maher who, like many atheists, has always had a problem with Islam and its followers because of what the religion represents not because he doesn't like brown people which has always been clear as day.

[I'm a Puppy!]

So you agree that you can't read for shit because I clearly said "a lot" not "all"?

The problem is we don't know what Ronito is even referring to. Is he talking about the thread where dude cuts out his alt right friend for not liking Muslims? I don't know. I can only assume. So I went with that because his post was a shit post.

Nah, that dude was right. It was the rest of the thread though. I doubt some of those people were actually dealing with alt-righters, probably some people who don't like Islam but aren't like "let's round them all up" there's no point in dealing with racists. Just a lot of them reminded me of when I was growing up and thought that anyone who drank alcohol must have been a raging alcoholic. Seeing a lot of that kind of thinking. Sure there are some racists but everyone? Of course, if could be the painkillers talking too.

[agrajag]

I will say this. A lot of the same peoplr that constantly shit on Christianity act like Islam is off limits and get triggered by any criticism of it. And this doesn't just haplen on GAF, but with a lot of liberals in general.

[agrajag]

I will say this. A lot of the same peoplr that constantly shit on Christianity act like Islam is off limits and get triggered by any criticism of it. And this doesn't just haplen on GAF, but with a lot of liberals in general.

Please.

If I had a penny for every liberal who assumed I was sexist because I'm a saudi man I'd be a very rich man.

Well, it seems like we are going in circles. Just like Himuro, I can say "I said a lot, not all, you can't read for shit!"

I think what both I said and what you said can be true.

[Himu]

So you agree that you can't read for shit because I clearly said "a lot" not "all"?

The problem is we don't know what Ronito is even referring to. Is he talking about the thread where dude cuts out his alt right friend for not liking Muslims? I don't know. I can only assume. So I went with that because his post was a shit post.

Except for the fact that just after that you talked about "anti-Islamists" as if they're bigots and mentioned Maher who, like many atheists, has always had a problem with Islam and its followers because of what the religion represents not because he doesn't like brown people which has always been clear as day.

Errrr...a lot of assuming here.

The context was within the alt right. Alt right's criticisms of Islam goes beyond criticism. The reason I brought up the alt right to begin with was a thread on gaf. Seemed to me that Ronito assumed that an alt right supporter who doesn't like Islam should be accepted because it's criticism and criticism is warranted. I didn't know wtf he was referring to.

Criticism towards Islam is both legitimate and also illegitimate. Not all criticism for Islam is equal. Anti-Islamists aren't necessarily racist or even bigots. But I do feel that certain critics of Islam like Maher and Harris definitely are racist in their critcisim. Not always, but a lot of the time. I argue this because of times like when the kid Ahmed was arrested for bringing the clock and Maher justified having the kid arrested because he brought a clock to school. Maher wraps his argument in being hard on Islam, but ignores a racial component that exists. When called out in, he says it's not about race.

It isn't that criticism towards Islam means you're a bigot or a racist, but there's definitely a segment of Islam critics who definitely apply broad strokes such as Christolher Hitchens with a racist aspect to their argument.

This entire page you have done assumption after assumption both to wrath and me. What is this about? What are you even arguing?

You think that I think all criticism towards Islam is racist? Do you even know who I am? Do you not realize that I am also an atheist that is critical of Islam? I have waxed over anti-semitism in Islam more than once over the years. But you wouldn't know because you're starting meaningless fights over shit you who knows what. You just decided to jump into this thread in the middle of a conversation with people who have been talking to each other for 10-ish years. What are you even arguing?

[zepblackstar]

at least Gaffers haven't changed their avatars to safety pins

Fuck that virtue signalling.

[Himu]

So you agree that you can't read for shit because I clearly said "a lot" not "all"?

The problem is we don't know what Ronito is even referring to. Is he talking about the thread where dude cuts out his alt right friend for not liking Muslims? I don't know. I can only assume. So I went with that because his post was a shit post.

Nah, that dude was right. It was the rest of the thread though. I doubt some of those people were actually dealing with alt-righters, probably some people who don't like Islam but aren't like "let's round them all up" there's no point in dealing with racists. Just a lot of them reminded me of when I was growing up and thought that anyone who drank alcohol must have been a raging alcoholic. Seeing a lot of that kind of thinking. Sure there are some racists but everyone? Of course, if could be the painkillers talking too.

I agree that liberals generally act like criticism towards Islam is off limits. Thinking all critics of Islam are racist makes no sense. The problem is that the discussion is often binary without facts. For example, anti-Islamists tend to shit on Islam regularly as an inherently violent religion when they aren't really affected by it in the day to day and they also forget that it's other Muslims who are affected the most by Islamic terrorism. On the other hand you've got people who think Islam shouldn't be criticized at all, which is ridiculous to ask for.

I think liberals tend to defend Islam like that because of the holocaust. I can't speak for others but I know that I don't want the entire religion to be treated as universally bad, because we've seen that before what happens when this is applied to an entire religion.

[etiolate]

I don't think they forget that the extremism hurts Muslims the most. I think they can't even get to that point over all the racism accusations. However, we're generalizing back and forth.

The issue is that too many on the left protect Islam from critical discussion. You can discern the good talk from the bad talk, but if you don't discern then the bad talk wins out. By good talk, I mean actual criticism of the ideology. Bad talk is mass generalizations and ignorance.  I don't think this being an issue is debatable when you have people like Maajid Nawaz listd as anti-islamic extremists by the SPLC. That sort of useless politicizing doesn't help anyone.

[Himu]

Another reason liberals protect Islam is because most of them are in the west. Over here, Christianity reigns. So it's not really a surprise people are more critical towards Christians than Muslims. Muslims don't really affect us in our society in terms of law. Pretty hard to get mad about Muslims when some Christian shithead wants to make it harder for women to get healthcare on the premise that it's morally right or want bible school stories in our goddamn text books. A lot of American's haven't even met a Muslim. And if they have they probably only know one or two.

Never mind that there's plenty of "liberal" minded people like redditors or people in France who love to criticize Islam regularly. So it's like, which liberals?

The problem is that with Islam a lot of times the good talk crosses with the bad talk. That's how you get someone like Christopher Hitchens or Ayaan Hirsi Ali making legitimate criticisms while also making very broad strokes.

[agrajag]

they don't forget at all, at least not Sam Harris

[agrajag]

Another reason liberals protect Islam is because most of them are in the west. Over here, Christianity reigns. So it's not really a surprise people are more critical towards Christians than Muslims. Muslims don't really affect us in our society in terms of law. Pretty hard to get mad about Muslims when some Christian shithead wants to make it harder for women to get healthcare on the premise that it's morally right or want bible school stories in our goddamn text books. A lot of American's haven't even met a Muslim. And if they have they probably only know one or two.

Never mind that there's plenty of "liberal" minded people like redditors or people in France who love to criticize Islam regularly. So it's like, which liberals?

I can only speak for myself, but that makes sense to me. When I was in my late teens/early 20's I was an ardent atheist. I spent a lot of time on various atheist forums and groups. Much of it was spent arguing with Christian trolls. Myself and many other atheists pretty much focused all our efforts against Christianity, because that's what affected us in our day to day lives. Not only legislature that was based on religion, but personal confrontations in the day to day.

People in Europe interact with Muslim immigrants a lot more than in US, so I can't agree with your last line.

[Himu]

Exactly. It's easy to rationalize away that hey not all Muslims are can't be that bad because they're such a foreign concept to you. In my life, I am acquainted with maybe 10 or so Muslims. But I know hundreds of Christians. You can point at Muslim terrorist attacks but over here in the good ol US of A it's Christians who have done the most  blood shed by terrorism. Why in the world would anyone be as critical of people who are half a world away when we have a history of men in white hoods justifying bigotry by burning crosses? Trump just rose to prominence with the support of evangelical Christian's supporting him but you want us to be equally critical of Islam? Fucking ROFL.

It's not fair, but it should be certainly understandable why it exists. I doubt people over there in Muslim majority countries give half a crap about Christianity as we do. Same deal.

Weren't you guys the ones who were critical of liberals existing in a bubble? But somehow for some reason you can't recognize when there is a cultural bubble on American's? Or does this bubble exist only when it fits your agenda?

[Himu]

they don't forget at all, at least not Sam Harris

http://www.salon.com/2015/12/09/siding_with_christian_fanatics_like_ben_carson_over_noam_chomsky_sam_harris_exposes_inherent_conservatism_of_new_atheism/

Fuck Sam Harris. He's one of those people I'm talking about whose criticism of Islam goes way beyond mere criticism.

[helios]

Free Creepy Stalker

[StealthFan]

This thread 

[I'm a Puppy!]

Trump's America.

[agrajag]

Alright, time to rate FF games.

FF VI >>>>>>>>>

[zomgee]

Islam > FFXV

[agrajag]

Ifrit > Sheva

Phoenix >>>

[Freyj]

Completely anecdotal, but only guy I know who regularly mentions Sam Harris gets about a half step away from mentioning the Illuminati whenever police violence, voter suppression, etc. is discussed around him.

[benjipwns]

When people say Muslims, they mean arab people in general. I've been called muslim countless times while I've been farthest from the fact.

It's kinda like how Jewish means religion and race, it's like that for most people. Liberal or Conservative, people always assume I'm a muslim from how I look or how weird my name sounds to them.

Wow, this "denial" was suspiciously quick...

Why won't Wrath say Radical Islam?

[clothedmacuser]

What's with people respecting racists and not the awful "liberal moderate."

I have more respect for a Trump voter with no pretenses than a self-proclaimed moderate/liberal who wants to blame their loss on not putting up with bigotry. If Clinton had won these people would not be wagging their fingers at minorities for not being nice enough, especially since they were right there with us calling Trump supporters everything (but bigoted of course) during the entire cycle.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=224371212#post224371212

Who is he even talking about?

[Himu]

What's with people respecting racists and not the awful "liberal moderate."

I have more respect for a Trump voter with no pretenses than a self-proclaimed moderate/liberal who wants to blame their loss on not putting up with bigotry. If Clinton had won these people would not be wagging their fingers at minorities for not being nice enough, especially since they were right there with us calling Trump supporters everything (but bigoted of course) during the entire cycle.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=224371212#post224371212

Who is he even talking about?

He explained in the post. Racists will let their views known. You know what you're gonna get. But a white moderate who acts like an ally makes up a lot of society. It goes back to the MLK quote. Malcolm X spoke on it as well.

[Joe Molotov]

Islamic terrorism is not radical, it's bogus. 

[agrajag]

My take away, is that it is absolutely beyond critical that the Dems take back control of the government. Appeals of "why can't Trump voters just be decent, empathetic people?" miss the point, which is that their definition of "decency" and ours are totally different. As we yell at them to open their eyes they're doing the same thing to us. It's like console wars on a geopolitical scale.

Except on NeoGAF we have moderation that can step in to quell or redirect vitriol from either side. The only analog to moderation that exists for the country are the branches of government. We can't rely on time and the internet (especially not the internet as it is now) to gradually bleed away the ignorance. For every person that escapes that echo chamber, many more are indoctrinated in it, and that's another generation lost.

Except on NeoGAF we have moderation that can step in to quell or redirect vitriol from either side. The only analog to moderation that exists for the country are the branches of government.

[benjipwns]

My take away, is that it is absolutely beyond critical that the Dems take back control of the government.

And yet these kind of pro-Trump apologists refuse to start the civil war we desperately need to ensure that is the case permanently.

And they claim to be on our side. I'm tired of this coddling of the voters. They voted wrong, that should be fixed and there should be severe consequences for them.

[stufte]

[benjipwns]

Here's the list of organizations John Oliver suggested to donate or subscribe to on his show.

Women's Health - https://www.plannedparenthood.org/
Women's Reproductive Rights - https://www.reproductiverights.org/
Climate Change - https://www.nrdc.org/
Refugee Assistance - http://www.refugeerights.org/
Racial Justice - http://www.naacpldf.org/
LGBT Rights - http://www.thetrevorproject.org/
Latino Rights - http://www.maldef.org/

Washington Post - https://www.washingtonpost.com/
New York Times - http://www.nytimes.com
Pro Publica - https://www.propublica.org/

two of these things are not like the other, two of these things are multi-billion dollar real estate companies that also publish newspapers that are not the same

[Himu]

what a bunch of dumbasses. yes, let's not let obama help the man who has no idea what he's doing. fucking partisan jackasses.

Fuck poligaf. drain that swamp.

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1313475

Yeah. I hate weapons, but after Trump winning and seeing his cabinet picks, I fear rights are going to be flown out the window for a lot of folks. Being gay I'm really quite petrified right now.

Depending what happens in the next 6 months, they may be necessary.

Not going to lie, the minute I am flush again I will be getting a handgun and then eventually a shotgun.

My fucking god. Your all turning into Republicans.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1313964

"Let's meet them halfway, guys!"

Seriously, what a terrible thought process. This is why Republicans are completely dominating elections.

You say "Donald, you're being impeached"

What's there to even talk about? How do you talk to a flat Earther? How do you talk to someone who doesn't want to believe systemic racism exists? Some things can't be talked about with some people, why bother?

You don't. You vote them out. 46.9% of you didn't

You don't. There is no compromise to be had here. You do whatever it takes to win and drag them kicking and screaming into a better world.

You know it fucking incredible that after 8 years of Tea Party politics, Breitbart conspiracy theories, rampant obstructionism, and a complete unwillingness to give even an inch that people think the winning solution is for liberals to be nice.

You don't.

Once FEMA budgets are cut, these fuckers are on their own.

You can't.

They dont care about facts and corporations spend tons of money to make sure they never will.

There is nothing to talk about. Its like talking to someone who denies evolution. If they reject the premise that your starting from, then there is no reasonable discussion to be had.

i can feel the winning already

[benjipwns]

Left 4 Dead games take place in Georgia, right?

Bits of L4D2 possibly, but bits of both games are definitely in the country side.

Just ignore that 80% of the games non-DLC missions are set in cities. And 2 culminates in downtown New Orleans.

[benjipwns]

shame i'm banned or i'd post "the outer boroughs of GTA IV"