VOAT Containment Megathread of Trash People for Trash People

[daemon]

From the thread of "no empathy for people with cancer because they might be conservative" comes the post that inadvertedly finally understands what economic anxiety means.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226766045&postcount=39

But still, after quoting the economic anxiety that a person would have to do so much worktime into such unhealthy jobs, it still flies over their head.

[Huff]

Lol permed

[thisismyusername]

Lol permed

MHWilliams taking up the mantle for Bish, I'm sure. "Fuck those people because they're probably white and voted for Trump!"

[daemon]

Lol permed

Welcome to the club

[Raist]

Lol permed

Something something shitposting something" ?

[Huff]

lol jk just two weeks

although was on a perm warning before. so maybe they'll see this and fix it

[helios]

I cannot modsanction your buffoonery

[Himu]

This is more than gaf. Liberals have gone fucking nuts.

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1326026

It's time to play "But mine works fine so these videos can't be wrong"

Also extra shrieking because it's a Crowbcat video

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226771531&postcount=314
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226773599&postcount=345

[railGUN]

Either we all have to be better, or none of us do.

[Dennis]

too slow scroll didn't read lol

[benjipwns]

The solution is actually handouts and wealth distribution but people seem ideologically opposed to that. That is a non starter. Its off the table

So then what is the next possible solution? If the work can't come back to where you are, and you won't even accept, let alone petition for welfare, then you need to go where the work is.

Its absolutely possible, and the political willpower is there to do it. I mean, we just had a candidate who literally campaigned on taxing the wealthy to fund education initiatives and improve healthcare systems to remove massive burdens from both year to year living expenses and improve the friction that comes with trying to re-educate and these regions rejecter her pretty soundly...

And a lot of progressive people would like to make options like this basically free with infrastructure to help people who have families. Far from being "bootstraps", the argument is "here's something that might help, how can we provide it to everyone?"

Bootstraps is "you just need to put in the effort and you can make it" without accounting for all the other factors that contribute besides just "lack of effort", from lack of money, time, resources to discrimination to lack of access.

If you actively want to work to address all of those things then yes I think it is fair to say "hey we want to provide you with the resources to succeed so that all we need from you is the effort"

I'm not saying all progressives are good at this, or that all Democrat politicians run on this, but this is the general attitude of the liberal movement in the US. That people need help and deserve to get help

Which ultimately brings us back to the welfare issue. We are rapidly crossing the line where labor supply outstrips labor demand. There aren't enough good paying jobs now and there aren't going to be enough good paying jobs in the future. We are reaching a point where we just need to give people money

It's just so simple, how do the fools not see the solution being the same as always!

They've had their chance, and they voted for white supremacy. Maybe now that their lungs are black, they'll start to realize and emphasize with what it's like to just get through a normal day of being regularly murdered as a middle to upper class NeoGAF poster who also happens to be a minority.

[benjipwns]

"hey we want to provide you with the resources to succeed so that all we need from you is the effort"

this sounds familiar

The socialist principle, "He who does not work shall not eat", is already realized; the other socialist principle, "An equal amount of products for an equal amount of labor", is also already realized. But this is not yet communism, and it does not yet abolish "bourgeois law", which gives unequal individuals, in return for unequal (really unequal) amounts of labor, equal amounts of products.

This is a “defect”, says Marx, but it is unavoidable in the first phase of communism; for if we are not to indulge in utopianism, we must not think that having overthrown capitalism people will at once learn to work for society without any rules of law.

edit: revision i used on gaf is better catty bitch mode

[nudemacusers]

Benji

[benjipwns]

Also to jump back to an earlier point. White pride is a huge factor holding them back. As someone from one of these areas that goes back to visit home every once in awhile I'm shocked at how stubborn people out there are.

They can't imagine taking lowly jobs like a janitor, check out clerk, lawn care etc. Many think it is below them so they just sit in the same place, jobless, complaining about immigrants etc. Sad!

[Faction]

Also to jump back to an earlier point. White pride is a huge factor holding them back. As someone from one of these areas that goes back to visit home every once in awhile I'm shocked at how stubborn people out there are.

They can't imagine taking lowly jobs like a janitor, check out clerk, lawn care etc. Many think it is below them so they just sit in the same place, jobless, complaining about immigrants etc. Sad!

And yet, as a country girl, everyone I know not in construction or farming works those jobs...even though they are white.
Those are literally all there is.

And I find it weird highly educated white gaf would also see those jobs as beneath them.

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226777237&postcount=259

That's not my experience, oddly. There's pride though, as it's been drilled into their heads for generations that government help is shameful. Any work is good work, and the more it hurts the more noble it is. 60 year old bent back old women picking field who sneak from Mexico are venerated, but the 20 year old strapping white boy who quit field work because it was too hard and went to work in town selling phones for Verizon is a 'pussy'.

Maybe being so close to the border it's different where I'm from.

Venerate them in-person, vote to deport them at the ballot.

Funny how that works.

How do you know they voted to deport them?

Please, I watch all the good comedy shows. I think I can tell.

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1326095

[benjipwns]

Everyone empathize with them, they just simply want to make a great living and to provide for their family. Meanwhile you have black men and women in the inner city going through the exact same struggle and they're demonized daily, called lazy for wanting more than some shit minimum wage job that doesn't pay them enough to take care of their family, bootstraps and other racist arguments galore.

Much of that argued by these same people I'm supposed to empathise with cause? They got black lung? Psh at least your job affords you healthcare, these $7.25 jobs do not so I'm not gonna front and say I feel so bad for these people because I don't and I won't pretend I do.

This is the root of it for me. Im supposed to empathized with these poor rural folks yet urban folks who go through the exact same thing are demonized for asking the same basic thing but more grounded in reality.

It's one thing to pity someone for being stupid and hurting themself, it's another when said person hurting themself is directly going against your own interests. Us progressives believe climate change and want federal programs to combat it too y'know, I'm not going to feel fucking sorry for the idiots fighting and voting against this, however they hurt themselves be damned.

This is really unfair. We realize this and are all for a) aid to these folks to transition them into other jobs because there are, you know, other types of energy. We want to educate them and help them with benefits and, for those who are young enough to make the transition, help them get other jobs in energy (or anywhere else).

But to accept our help, they'd have to align with black folks and gay folks, so that's out of the question for them. They have another choice; they're just rejecting that choice.

Yup. I honestly think the world would just be better off without these kinds of people, it's too late to change things and at this point they just keep teaching their kids to be just as dumb.

Also, pining for the WPA, a bold progressive vision of the future, millions of minimum wage jobs (that are often dangerous) exempt from all kinds of labor laws (like say housing all your employees in barracks) that are only for men (women shouldn't be breadwinners) to build ugly garbage the elite want!

[Jansen]

 

Sorry, I dont understand dat street talk ...

Also, I am not american, I have no idea what you mean. What you on about ?

You come across as just daft

Sad when the smart comments on GAF go down to N4G level and just 'bruh'

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226776267&postcount=401

[benjipwns]

Right now the US economy is booming

Exactly, I've got a bunch of aggregate statistics here! There's no reason for anybody to complain! Look at that Dow Jones go! Plus they can just get an education and move to the cities!

Thread needs more Tabris.

[benjipwns]

There's jobs everywhere. Pick up a newspaper sometime, hit up craigslist, whatever local job board in your area. Chances are there are opportunities everywhere. If you're expecting someone to offer an executive position out of the blue, you are deluded. But plenty of ways to make your way,

How does black men and women going through the "exact same struggle" lead you to not feel bad for these people as well? It's not a zero sum game.

The comments in this thread are a new low for this forum.

Because the black men and women are, by and large, voting to improve their condition.

There's a certain futility to the struggle of conservative working class people who keep voting to make their own world worse, let alone the world of the "others" whom conservative politicians promise to harm.

Sure, people destroying themselves through bad habits often deserve sympathy, like alcoholics or other addicts, but the decisions these people make are calculated, rational decisions and not the product of any illness. They, being of sound mind and body, not only choose to not struggle against their troubles, but *choose* to make things worse for themselves and others. It's a different thing to expect sympathy for them.

yesss

[benjipwns]

Maybe it's the fact that we voted for their best interests and they voted against ours?

yessssss

[benjipwns]

Dat ... tho

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226779970&postcount=271

My husband made middle management just this month without a degree.
...but again, that was working up the ladder in manual labor jobs (climbing wind turbines) that women would most likely not be hired for.

My choices without a degree, even without a disability would be: waitress, check out clerk, farm work. That's pretty much it.

There's always the opportunity of clerical positions like photocopier, data entry, etc. Each of those would afford better pay and opportunity than what you've consigned yourself to.

"photocopier" lol what

[clothedmacuser]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226779970&postcount=271

My husband made middle management just this month without a degree.
...but again, that was working up the ladder in manual labor jobs (climbing wind turbines) that women would most likely not be hired for.

My choices without a degree, even without a disability would be: waitress, check out clerk, farm work. That's pretty much it.

There's always the opportunity of clerical positions like photocopier, data entry, etc. Each of those would afford better pay and opportunity than what you've consigned yourself to.

"photocopier" lol what

Joining the typing pool or becoming a switchboard operator is still in an option.  LOL, who are we kidding, white women voted Trump, they can go die it a ditch while their baby suckles at their shriveled breast.

[benjipwns]

The best job is staring at dials without knowing why:

Gladys Owens, the woman seated in the foreground, didn't understand the exact purpose of her job until seeing this photo in a public tour of the facility fifty years later.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

This is Oak Ridge, inside Y-12 during the Manhattan Project.

[close]

[benjipwns]

The Y-12 electromagnetic plant units were initially operated by scientists from Berkeley to remove bugs and achieve a reasonable operating rate. They were then turned over to trained Tennessee Eastman operators who had only a high school education. Nichols compared unit production data, and pointed out to physicist Ernest Lawrence that the young "hillbilly" girl operators were outproducing his PhDs. They agreed to a production race and Lawrence lost, a morale boost for the Tennessee Eastman workers and supervisors. The girls were "trained like soldiers not to reason why", while "the scientists could not refrain from time-consuming investigation of the cause of even minor fluctuations of the dials".

[Dennis]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226779970&postcount=271

My husband made middle management just this month without a degree.
...but again, that was working up the ladder in manual labor jobs (climbing wind turbines) that women would most likely not be hired for.

My choices without a degree, even without a disability would be: waitress, check out clerk, farm work. That's pretty much it.

There's always the opportunity of clerical positions like photocopier, data entry, etc. Each of those would afford better pay and opportunity than what you've consigned yourself to.

"photocopier" lol what

That thread is really something else.

[benjipwns]

this argument is probably of some peoples interests
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1325947

Real talk is Kanye West the best rapper of all time?

In terms of sales, accolades, influence, fame, etc I can't think of anyone who comes close to Kanye for how long he has been able to sustain the success that he has had. Sure he suffers from mental illness now and is a completely unstable human being, but many of his hits are timeless to many like me.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226747052&postcount=26

Jay Z is the best if that's the criteria.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226748021&postcount=76

Jay - 3 great albums and a whole lot of trash
Nas - Lmao have you listened to half of his albums?
UGK - Loads of great albums but nothing on Kanye's best
Pac - I'm crying
Tribe - There's an argument to made here for sure
PE - Not even close

There are so many terrible albums from the artists you just listed it's not even funny. Kanye's worst album defined an entire generation of hip hop.

Try again.

[nudemacusers]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226779970&postcount=271

My husband made middle management just this month without a degree.
...but again, that was working up the ladder in manual labor jobs (climbing wind turbines) that women would most likely not be hired for.

My choices without a degree, even without a disability would be: waitress, check out clerk, farm work. That's pretty much it.

There's always the opportunity of clerical positions like photocopier, data entry, etc. Each of those would afford better pay and opportunity than what you've consigned yourself to.

"photocopier" lol what

That thread is really something else.

Neogaf being a top 5 referrer to Hillary's page has made so much sense post election.

[thisismyusername]

Someone give me the context for this.

[Great Rumbler]

Telenovela?

[FStop7]

A white version of Bish needs to show up and purge that thread.

Do you really want Amirox modding again?

[Dennis]

Someone give me the context for this.

Is that Rachel Maddow?

[FStop7]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1326038

I really, really hate the saying 'And this is why the liberals lost!' but...this is why we lost. Maybe I'm just dumb but having empathy for people in shitty situations is like, a cornerstone of progressive thought. I don't care who they voted for

A lot of the same stuff goes on in some of the drug addiction threads.  I don't really get it.

GAF OT's largely overrun by basement dwelling toadies who project their misery at the bogeyman on TV and screech for the mods when their beliefs are challenged.  You have to pick and choose where to engage and where to avoid.  Threads like that are just Two Minutes Hate.

There's an 80 page thread about how hard it is to find good work.  I guess that must be different than people in rural West Virginia trying to make ends meet because reasons.

[thisismyusername]

Telenovela?

Logo is CBS(?), so it probably is a soap. But I'm more wanting to know the scene/show and what the hell is going on that makes her just go for jumping over the railing.

[benjipwns]

It's not CBS, it's Rede Globo.

[benjipwns]

The businesswoman Angela, right-hand man of the Toledo administration of the mall, nurtures a platonic passion for Henry Toledo, his best friend and coworker. Henry, however, is married to Vilma, besides being an incorrigible womanizer who collects romantic conquests, and feelings of unsuspecting girlfriend. Gradually, Angela's passion is becoming increasingly unhealthy, and to get what she wants, she gets a cold and ruthless killer, who comes to celebrate the deaths of their victims. Its end is tragic to discover that Henry would marry Celeste, the mother of a son of William, Angela rushes from the top of the Maksoud Hotel committing suicide.

[Let's Cyber]

Henry Toledo is a fantastic soap opera name 

[benjipwns]

His favorite U.S. President is Grover Cleveland.

[thisismyusername]

Ok, in-context it isn't as funny (but still sort of, due to how over the top it is). Out of context, it makes me laugh every time I see it.

Thanks, Benji.

[Momo]

Bork:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1325064

Now, , right?

Redeemable with open firmware, maybe we should just all use this as an opportunity to build our own routers from the hardware up

[benjipwns]

Given all evidence about the Russian influence and the investigations looking into it currently, is there anyway we could do a re-election by 2018? I know there is no avoiding President Trump in 2017 and 2018, but hopefully we can get a re-election process started.

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1326137

first reply

[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1326137

first reply

Games that don't rely on tiered gear like in Call of Duty or Battlefield, that don't mix beginners with higher level players (so the beginners just get shredded while learning)

Except that starting gear in Battlefield is probably the best gear in the game? The only thing they should change is the starting class kit items. But the guns will stand toe-to-toe with later unlocks.

[benjipwns]

I thought another thing funny in terms of his praise of Titanfall. I've always felt that in Call of Duty (until maybe recently) that the tiered unlocks ON the weapons are more important than unlocking most of the weapons. Same with unlocking of perks/nades/etc. All of which Titanfall maintains completely.

Getting scopes, grips, extended mags, etc. on a gun (along with perks like fast hands or scavenger) you're familiar with often does more for you than unlocking another weapon in the same class that you have to start over on and may offer its own differences like burst fire or whatever.

A lot of the Call of Duty's give you the easiest weapons and then specialize as you work through the tier. Much like Battlefield has at times. And like Titanfall does.

My own personal theory is that generally you've found your permanent Call of Duty weapon in its class (SMG/AR/etc.) by the second unlock or first depending on how many you start out with.

I think it was Ghosts where the best SMG is like the one you unlock at level 3, once you've added all the various attachments to it.

[benjipwns]

One of the middle CoD's (mw3 or maybe blops 1 or maybe ghosts), my favorite assault rifle is the default one except that the default iron sights are godawfully designed making it impossible to actually judge things properly. But after like twenty minutes of doing anything in the game you're level 15 and you've unlocked the red dot or reflex sight and you're good to go from then on.

One of the operators in Rainbow Six: Siege has the same kind of problem with his/her default weapon. And every beta/alpha I always forgot to spend my points on buying the sights until I spawned again with him/her.

[thisismyusername]

I haven't played the later entries after MW2 due to the numerous things that turned me off on that one. But CoD4 had folks running the AK-47 most of the time, and that was a late-game unlock. The thing is, if you killed a person you could pick it up. So, I mean like Battlefield and other unlock titles, you're not stopped from being able to pick up those guns and test them yourself if you kill the person. And you should be able to do that as even with no accessories on the guns, they'll be rock solid for starting players.

Titanfall has a huge skill discrepancy issue that unlocks won't solve. If you're matchmade with someone that is going into the out-of-bounds on top of the map to flank you and shoot you from above, there's not much you can do beyond trying to copy that (and probably failing). So his "this game is good for non-multiplayer people" is just to me.

[benjipwns]

Maybe he doesn't realize the Spectres and stuff are AI.

[thisismyusername]

Is that Rachel Maddow?

After Trump won, yes.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1326221

I will never understand folks that take things like an Onion article super seriously. Even Neil Degess Tyson does the same thing for stuff like Back the Future and it's like... "it's fiction/for fun. Who cares how accurate it was?!"

[zomgee]

My quest for the most Neogaffian post of all time continues.

[Mr. Nobody]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1326026

It's time to play "But mine works fine so these videos can't be wrong"

Also extra shrieking because it's a Crowbcat video

My regular PS4 can get a bit loud under stress but damn 

[Optimus]

Thread title changed from The evil Russians and their nefarious plot to "influence" to an obnoxiously sarcastic shitpost title that misrepresented the poster's points and then to The Russians and their attempt to influence US election.

Can't have thread titles that go against the narrative.

[VomKriege]

Is that Rachel Maddow?

After Trump won, yes.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1326221

I will never understand folks that take things like an Onion article super seriously. Even Neil Degess Tyson does the same thing for stuff like Back the Future and it's like... "it's fiction/for fun. Who cares how accurate it was?!"

To win the hearts & minds of GAF, Trump probably just needs a provision to punish fake Sony news.

[etiolate]

that thread is nuts

You realize you're making the same argument as people that blame women for getting raped. If you didn't realize it, well, consider yourself informed.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226777218&postcount=10

and holy shit he commits to it

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226778078&postcount=61

It is quite simply.

Didn't want to be hacked? Should have had better cyber security.

Didn't want to be raped? Should have worn slacks instead of that skirt.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226777374&postcount=19



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226777561&postcount=30

I find this viewpoint interesting, because if the RNC's emails were leaked, it would have probably been them strategizing to get rid of Trump and then panicking when they failed. It would have only helped Trump to see the RNC working against him.

[Phoenix Dark]

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/nofap-got-my-dikk-lookin-huge.494341/

[Faction]

Confession: I am old and the Coli just confuses me

[Dennis]

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/nofap-got-my-dikk-lookin-huge.494341/

nikkas gonna learn to loosen up that tiger grip

 

[etiolate]

I can't understand nor parse 4chan or thecoli. It's like modern heiroglyphs.