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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20401 on: July 13, 2017, 09:47:40 AM »
It is a poor joke that long ago got tired and now just feels like harassment.
With a whiny line like that you really are a good fit for GAF, much like banned pedophile Amirox

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20402 on: July 13, 2017, 10:49:46 AM »
Sman, any chance you can knock one of your legendary doodles in light of recent events?

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20403 on: July 13, 2017, 11:00:29 AM »
just heard about the Amir0x thing. Wow. Reminds me of the Aatrek scandal on SA a couple years ago. Didn't get as much news play/any outside articles though, and SA doesn't ban people who talk about it.

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20404 on: July 13, 2017, 11:29:30 AM »
I know it works... to a degree.

But what does this censorship accomplish in this case? Protecting ad revenue from a toxic issue? Pride as in past associations with shady characters? Prevent any potential side discussion, however remote, about how the forum is run (or by whom it is run)?
I don't think there is any grand plan beyond stifling discussion. Modus operandi has always been to delete troublesome posts/threads so this is really just the mods default reaction. This Amir0x thing is radioactive and I don't think they really know how to handle it.



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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20406 on: July 13, 2017, 11:49:20 AM »
Wait, he lives in Florida? I thought he was up north somewhere

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20407 on: July 13, 2017, 11:53:50 AM »
Funny.

There was a discussion about a XXX parody of NeoGAF. I made a quick comment of it being a Amir0x/opiate coproduction. It was quietly deleted by the staff.

Why are they still so scared?

I legitimately am starting to believe in the gaf as a pedo cell theory. EviLore knows it too which is why he's doing this to protect the pedos
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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20408 on: July 13, 2017, 11:55:58 AM »




lol

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20409 on: July 13, 2017, 12:12:53 PM »
Funny.

There was a discussion about a XXX parody of NeoGAF. I made a quick comment of it being a Amir0x/opiate coproduction. It was quietly deleted by the staff.

Why are they still so scared?

I legitimately am starting to believe in the gaf as a pedo cell theory. EviLore knows it too which is why he's doing this to protect the pedos

What are you talking about, dangerous pedpophiles Opiate and Amir0x were permanently removed from GAF, along with Dennis.

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20410 on: July 13, 2017, 12:19:27 PM »
ITT people get paranoid that Russian agents are taking over NeoGAF over sarcasm: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1405101
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I hate Donald Trump as much as the next guy, hope he gets pinched for some Russian-conspiracy stuff, but I can't for the life of me understand why anything in this video is worthy of a thread, let alone a 3-4 minute segment on cable news.

Maybe I'm missing something from it.
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Even now, the actual thing Trump is being accused of is getting increasingly complicated and I suspect the median voter could not give you a succinct summary of the scandal. I agree that it's not BREAKING NEWS chyron material though.
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All of this video footage is in the lead up to the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow. Everyone knows he did this deal in Moscow. His denials in 2016 and 2017 of not having business dealings in Russia should obviously not be construed to mean never had. That's silly, particularly when at least one prior business deal was very, very public, and intentionally so. (It was on television. Er, I assume, I wasn't watching.)

Do I believe for one second he didn't have business relations in Russia during the campaign and does not have them now? Of course I do not believe him. Nothing Donald Trump has done has given me any reason to ever believe any word that comes out of his mouth. But this video of a known relationship in the lead up to a known business function is useless in terms of establishing anything.

And again, what is there to establish that the email doesn't already spell out? Trump Jr was approached with the possibility of receiving information gathered by the Russian government with the idea of helping Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton. Trump Jr quickly jumped on it. A video of a known business relationship adds what, exactly?
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I honestly don't really know what's interesting about this video, we already knew that Trump was paling around with these guys trying to get an in to the Russian real estate market.
If only TestOfTide was still alive to pull receipts on these gator jabroni's trying to cover up the biggest scandal in human history. You'd think at least some mod would check their IPs to see if they came from Russia if GAF was serious about stopping alt-right propaganda like the unfair attacks on permanently banned members Amir0x and Dennis.

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20411 on: July 13, 2017, 12:24:13 PM »
Wait, he lives in Florida? I thought he was up north somewhere

Oh shit, he does, that's right. Well, Florida, Pennsyltucky. Same diff.
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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20412 on: July 13, 2017, 12:25:27 PM »
I'm not entirely sure I get the 64 counts thing. Is that just essentially one count per image?

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20413 on: July 13, 2017, 12:35:11 PM »
For the most part yes, along with the file sharing and so on.

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20414 on: July 13, 2017, 12:44:46 PM »
Funny.

There was a discussion about a XXX parody of NeoGAF. I made a quick comment of it being a Amir0x/opiate coproduction. It was quietly deleted by the staff.

Why are they still so scared?

I legitimately am starting to believe in the gaf as a pedo cell theory. EviLore knows it too which is why he's doing this to protect the pedos

What are you talking about, dangerous pedpophiles Opiate and Amir0x were permanently removed from GAF, along with Dennis.

why can't people talk about it then? opiate was not banned, he was demodded.
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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20415 on: July 13, 2017, 12:55:13 PM »
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dat shirt! The dad must become the official mascot for GAF

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20416 on: July 13, 2017, 01:01:01 PM »
hope they throw the book at him

Just doing a cursory look around Florida:

http://www.pnj.com/story/news/crime/2017/05/15/escambia-county-man-sentenced-30-years-child-pornography/101707824/

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/20170711/shalimar-man-sentenced-to-25-years-for-child-pornography

http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2017-04-13/man-36-sentenced-100-years-child-porn-conviction

http://www.christianpost.com/news/florida-man-gets-life-sentence-for-child-pornography-too-severe-60802/

http://weartv.com/news/local/pensacola-man-sentenced-10-years-for-child-pornography


It doesn't look good for ol' Ami.

Granted, these cases are different. For example, Amir0x pulled a DUI and got caught wandering around with pot. Beat up his mom, too.

Someone should just make a thread about crimes vs the time you serve, and put these on display in there as example. With no context or hint towards the thread being about Amir0x

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20417 on: July 13, 2017, 01:13:41 PM »
why can't people talk about it then? opiate was not banned, he was demodded.
opiate went into self-exile

he's never posted since, i forget if he's even logged in

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20418 on: July 13, 2017, 01:16:43 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1405179

love how the clueless gamer threads always get people riled over "omg that man mocked muh VIDYA"

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20419 on: July 13, 2017, 01:19:41 PM »
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I can't watch it. It's physically painful. The cringe.
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a.k.a. 54 year old man awkwardly hits on supermodel
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Its a shame.. If i was the cuphead developers, i wouldnt want the "chest of mobile f2p games" to be the one to do this segment with Conan.

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20420 on: July 13, 2017, 01:26:48 PM »
"Found this to be a bit creepy. I know its a sketch, and I suppose Kate is acting a bit akward as part of the sketch instead of really finding Conan's avances creepy... but it still felt creepy to me. Oh well."

and of course...

"Man that was hella uncomfortable to watch. :/" -Crossing Eden

 :doge


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Its a shame.. If i was the cuphead developers, i wouldnt want the "chest of mobile f2p games" to be the one to do this segment with Conan.

chest as in breast?

wow

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20422 on: July 13, 2017, 01:45:09 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1405350

GAMEEEERGAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHGGHGBLLL


So....he reads voat. lol

I don't think that's actually him :doge

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20423 on: July 13, 2017, 01:45:41 PM »
that wasn't real Lore, someone is trolling, probably from Voat. "Beefsoda" is still funny though

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20424 on: July 13, 2017, 01:48:15 PM »
I'm partial to "carne besada" myself

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20425 on: July 13, 2017, 02:09:46 PM »
Gamergate is GAF's 9/11 x100

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« Reply #20426 on: July 13, 2017, 02:12:26 PM »
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Saying "I don't know what GamerGate is" is an actual GG tactic. They talk about the strategy on 4chan and VOAT, I guess.

Not sure if that's the case here but, honestly, I don't get how you could be into games enough to 1) be a member of NeoGAF 2) for almost 15 years and 3) visit the gaming side, like, ever and not know what GamerGate is.
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Someone on Reddit speculated that GamerGate was a Russian propaganda test run, in preparation for the 2016 election. It was a fascinating post, but I've lost it.
You can count the collective IQ of that thread on one hand. :neogaf

Being fair with Gaf, the main reason why GG is associated with alt right (outside harassment)is places like KiA feels like reading a lite version of The_Donald even when claiming "no bias". Of course, this probably has to do with *chan culture than Putin interest in "ethics of video game journalism".

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20427 on: July 13, 2017, 02:20:10 PM »
Gamergate is GAF's 9/11 x100

so it's GAF's 91100   

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20428 on: July 13, 2017, 02:31:17 PM »
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dat shirt! The dad must become the official mascot for GAF


I bet 99% of these nutjobs are doing this shit for virtue signaling reasons and not because their kids are different. It's fucking child abuse.

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20430 on: July 13, 2017, 02:31:59 PM »
Breaking: Actor James Woods found dead on a hill.




1947-2017

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I guess he chose this as his hill to die on.

Oh well. Never liked the guy.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=243353439&postcount=112
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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20431 on: July 13, 2017, 02:35:18 PM »
James Woods looks like Bill Maher's brother.
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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20432 on: July 13, 2017, 02:36:51 PM »
Wasn't "James Woods" StealthFan's GAF username?

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20433 on: July 13, 2017, 02:42:38 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1405350

GAMEEEERGAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHGGHGBLLL


So....he reads voat. lol

I don't think that's actually him :doge

"purpleblastoise", who started the thread indirectly because was a junior, chomping on the bit so bad that I got the feeling he was a right-wing or whatever troll trying to start shit. Kind of a GAF thing to say, admittedly. In any case, sincere posters ready to take his place.

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20434 on: July 13, 2017, 03:02:15 PM »
I always wanted to post on gaf that they were the only ones making a huge dea out of GamerGate but always figured it would get me banned. I've legit never seen them term thrown around anywhere except Gaf. The memebers obsess over it.  Don't they find it odd journalist never talk about it?

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« Reply #20435 on: July 13, 2017, 03:22:43 PM »
Journalists did talk about it. On Twitter though, mostly.

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20436 on: July 13, 2017, 03:28:06 PM »
Wasn't "James Woods" StealthFan's GAF username?

Yes.

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« Reply #20437 on: July 13, 2017, 03:33:21 PM »
Anyone else feel like John Oliver's schtick is wearing thin? (Last Week Tonight)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1405588


Gaf is only a year late on that observation.
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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20438 on: July 13, 2017, 03:33:49 PM »
I still like oliver

unrelated:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1405591

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20439 on: July 13, 2017, 03:48:00 PM »

 :lol

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« Reply #20440 on: July 13, 2017, 03:52:25 PM »
90's goth chicks :mouf

those eyebrows are something

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« Reply #20441 on: July 13, 2017, 03:53:59 PM »
No hairstyle screams "FUCK YOU" louder than that one.


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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20442 on: July 13, 2017, 03:55:14 PM »
She looks like the prototype version of a member of Kittie

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20443 on: July 13, 2017, 04:17:07 PM »
Well that picture explains a few things.

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20444 on: July 13, 2017, 04:18:15 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1405350

GAMEEEERGAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHGGHGBLLL
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"edgy" humor in general was the precursor to Gamergate, in that at some point we all figured out that some of the people using edgy humor actually meant what they were saying...
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Never heard of it, but from the examples posted they sound like pieces of shit.
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Never heard of OMM before, but that article was interesting, and considering how so many "big names" speak highly of it and its influence, it seems it was really popular, and it undoubtedly set the grounds for the shitshow we currently go through.
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The problem is nowadays there are adults on the internet who say these exact things without the intent of humor.
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Sounds like very few people are condemning this. Are people just excusing this because others were also shitty to women at the time?. I bet people are going to excuse youtubers like Jontron in the future for just being 'edgy' and 'pushing the boundary'.
:rofl

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20445 on: July 13, 2017, 04:25:29 PM »
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There was a lot of this kind of humor in the late 90s/early 00s I think (that was when things like South Park came into existence) and we've since grown more aware of how problematic it can be, especially as GamerGate shows that some of these people either take it seriously or at least really don't give a fuck if they offend others. Edgelord type shit, and it's not uncommon for them to grow out of it.

I'd seriously look up to see what the writers are doing NOW, as while Portal has a dark edge to its humor it also isn't as outright offense, and I don't think the writers were bothered about that if it was forced on them. At an extreme, it might even be why the site is no longer running.
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« Reply #20446 on: July 13, 2017, 04:28:53 PM »
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Glad to see I'm not the only one who found some of Portal 2's writing to be a little subpar at times. I mean, it never offended me personally, but I always felt fat/weight jokes were kind of old and rather unfunny at this point. For some reason, Western humor is still fine with maligning those who are overweight. It's the last punching bag that is socially acceptable.

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« Reply #20447 on: July 13, 2017, 04:29:17 PM »
R. Maddow is an American Institution (yes, in spite of the whole trump tax fiasco...)

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Just watching how incredibly relentless and thorough Maddow´s reporting [...]

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« Reply #20448 on: July 13, 2017, 04:39:42 PM »
R. Maddow is an American Institution (yes, in spite of the whole trump tax fiasco...)

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Just watching how incredibly relentless and thorough Maddow´s reporting [...]

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There is somethimg else about her show: no surrogates.
well, i mean, other than the host

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« Reply #20449 on: July 13, 2017, 04:52:21 PM »
Sman, any chance you can knock one of your legendary doodles in light of recent events?

Maybe.  :)

But I missed my big opportunity on the day the story broke out though.

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« Reply #20450 on: July 13, 2017, 04:57:02 PM »
Sman, any chance you can knock one of your legendary doodles in light of recent events?

Maybe.  :)

But I missed my big opportunity on the day the story broke out though.

The best time to ban Amir0x would have been when bragged about beating his mom, or driving drunk, or scamming GAF for drug money, but Evilore got it right eventually.
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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20451 on: July 13, 2017, 05:05:28 PM »


The best time to ban Amir0x would have been when bragged about beating his mom, or driving drunk, or scamming GAF for drug money, but Evilore got it right eventually.

I don't believe Evilore was even aware of amir0x or his actions or who he was. 

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« Reply #20452 on: July 13, 2017, 05:08:11 PM »
Sman, any chance you can knock one of your legendary doodles in light of recent events?

Maybe.  :)

But I missed my big opportunity on the day the story broke out though.

The best time to ban Amir0x would have been when bragged about beating his mom, or driving drunk, or scamming GAF for drug money, but Evilore got it right eventually.

I'm just glad he brought swift justice to that villain Dennis.

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« Reply #20453 on: July 13, 2017, 05:18:13 PM »
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Western humor is still fine with maligning those who are overweight. It's the last punching bag that is socially acceptable.

The open season on Beersoda continues.

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« Reply #20454 on: July 13, 2017, 05:18:41 PM »
Breaking: Actor James Woods found dead on a hill.


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1947-2017

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I guess he chose this as his hill to die on.

Oh well. Never liked the guy.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=243353439&postcount=112

lol, what a loser (the GAF poster)

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« Reply #20455 on: July 13, 2017, 05:22:54 PM »
From what I understand James Woods is a fucking dick, but he's totally in the right in this situation.

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« Reply #20456 on: July 13, 2017, 05:28:09 PM »
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There was a lot of this kind of humor in the late 90s/early 00s I think (that was when things like South Park came into existence) and we've since grown more aware of how problematic it can be, especially as GamerGate shows that some of these people either take it seriously or at least really don't give a fuck if they offend others. Edgelord type shit, and it's not uncommon for them to grow out of it.

I'd seriously look up to see what the writers are doing NOW, as while Portal has a dark edge to its humor it also isn't as outright offense, and I don't think the writers were bothered about that if it was forced on them. At an extreme, it might even be why the site is no longer running.
:dead

That line of thought of "Edgy humor makes you a gamergator" seems so awful for a forum that tolerated a mod that punched his mom because she didn't let him watch South Park.

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« Reply #20457 on: July 13, 2017, 05:29:34 PM »
From what I understand James Woods is a fucking dick, but he's totally in the right in this situation.

I don't think so.

I think the parents are imbeciles and attention whores but the idea is fine. Let the kid do what they want.

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« Reply #20458 on: July 13, 2017, 05:34:59 PM »
From what I understand James Woods is a fucking dick, but he's totally in the right in this situation.

I don't think so.

I think the parents are imbeciles and attention whores but the idea is fine. Let the kid do what they want.

It would be probably wiser let the kid explore all this stuff in his/her own but I got the gut feeling that the parents will end screwing the kid in other way, regardless.

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Re: 🚨 Other Forum Megathread of...WTF OPPO DROPPO?! 🚨
« Reply #20459 on: July 13, 2017, 05:40:43 PM »
From what I understand James Woods is a fucking dick, but he's totally in the right in this situation.

I don't think so.

I think the parents are imbeciles and attention whores but the idea is fine. Let the kid do what they want.

It would be probably wiser let the kid explore all this stuff in his/her own but I got the gut feeling that the parents will end screwing the kid in other way, regardless.

Agreed, and just prep your kid that fearful and ignorant people will say stupid things, but you can't protect your children from everything. Woods said what he said. I don't even see the point in them addressing him.