VOAT Containment Megathread of Trash People for Trash People

[etiolate]

When people say gender is fluid they generally mean that there are multiple possibilities. Science - which you say Peterson says denies this - corroborates this with hard data.

No, no. People say gender fluid, then switch gender day to day, saying it depends on how they feel, and this is relevant because Peterson is talking about a bill that codified preferred pronoun usage or compelled speech that then connects to hate crimes via human rights tribunals.

Gender as fluid is just bonkers. The overwhelming majority fall at the two poles of man and woman, and the majority match their gender with their sex. You could say there are multiple possibilities, but the reality is there is mostly two highly powerful magnetic poles and a small percentage somewhere in the middle. The term fluid is used to disguise this reality, the same way gender spectrum is used to disguise this reality. A rainbow is a spectrum of light, but the way gender and sex end up does not resemble a rainbow.

So its about poor logic in the arguments used for the codification of the bill.

http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Gender_Fluid

If something can be changed then it can be fixed. That is dangerous and the point he was making that I was trying to highlight. I am not sure if he even used the term gender fluid in that point. I used it to highlight the malleability of it and the social construction argument that would back it. (Which is dangerous.)

[Himu]

When people say gender is fluid they generally mean that there are multiple possibilities. Science - which you say Peterson says denies this - corroborates this with hard data.

talking about a bill that codified preferred pronoun usage or compelled speech that then connects to hate crimes via human rights tribunals.

More info on this?

Gender as fluid is just bonkers. The overwhelming majority fall at the two poles of man and woman, and the majority match their gender with their sex. You could say there are multiple possibilities, but the reality is there is mostly two highly powerful magnetic poles and a small percentage somewhere in the middle. The term fluid is used to disguise this reality, the same way gender spectrum is used to disguise this reality. A rainbow is a spectrum of light, but the way gender and sex end up does not resemble a rainbow.

So its about poor logic in the arguments used for the codification of the bill.

http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Gender_Fluid

If something can be changed then it can be fixed. That is dangerous and the point he was making that I was trying to highlight. I am not sure if he even used the term gender fluid in that point. I used it to highlight the malleability of it and the social construction argument that would back it. (Which is dangerous.)

I am already familiar with the term. For the sake of discussion let's use agender. I hate the term gender fluid. I honestly don't get the agender stuff and I legitimately think that they should have their own separate thing than trans people (given they are agender and we aren't), but I haven't seen a single study suggest the data you're suggesting. Sociologically, there's more than male or female. When you say there's only male or female do you biologically or sociologically? Because I have already made the case for sociological gender variety. Two spirit, third gender;etc have existed as long as there's been humans. Biologically, intersex is a thing. So when you speak biologically do you really mean sex and not gender? So I'm not really sure what you're arguing nor how you could possibly use science to argue it since there's no data on agender either for or against.

[Himu]

The girl playing Jasmine looks pretty fucking "ethnic". She doesn't look white at all. She looks pretty Arab.

But of course the SSW's of gaf will use colorism. What they really mean is "she isn't dark enough". There they go with their fundamentalist purity tests where nothing is ever, ever good enough.

Is the person who said she doesn't look "ethnic" enough white? That would be really funny.

[etiolate]

When people say gender is fluid they generally mean that there are multiple possibilities. Science - which you say Peterson says denies this - corroborates this with hard data.

talking about a bill that codified preferred pronoun usage or compelled speech that then connects to hate crimes via human rights tribunals.

More info on this?

Gender as fluid is just bonkers. The overwhelming majority fall at the two poles of man and woman, and the majority match their gender with their sex. You could say there are multiple possibilities, but the reality is there is mostly two highly powerful magnetic poles and a small percentage somewhere in the middle. The term fluid is used to disguise this reality, the same way gender spectrum is used to disguise this reality. A rainbow is a spectrum of light, but the way gender and sex end up does not resemble a rainbow.

So its about poor logic in the arguments used for the codification of the bill.

http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Gender_Fluid

If something can be changed then it can be fixed. That is dangerous and the point he was making that I was trying to highlight. I am not sure if he even used the term gender fluid in that point. I used it to highlight the malleability of it and the social construction argument that would back it. (Which is dangerous.)

I am already familiar with the term. For the sake of discussion let's use agender. I hate the term gender fluid. I honestly don't get the agender stuff and I legitimately think that they should have their own separate thing than trans people (given they are agender and we aren't), but I haven't seen a single study suggest the data you're suggesting. Sociologically, there's more than male or female. When you say there's only male or female do you biologically or sociologically? Because I have already made the case for sociological gender variety. Two spirit, third gender;etc have existed as long as there's been humans. Biologically, intersex is a thing. So when you speak biologically do you really mean sex and not gender? So I'm not really sure what you're arguing nor how you could possibly use science to argue it since there's no data on agender either for or against.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37875695
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/education/u-of-t-professor-opposes-transgender-bill-at-senate-committee-hearing/article35035768/

The Bill codifies preferred gender pronoun usage. Peterson's objection to that is that it constitutes compelled speech, that you would have to use words decided by other people in your speech and that such words can be changed an infinite amount of times and arbitrarily. (The multiplicaton of invented gender pronouns like zir and zhi.) He is against compelled speech, which is speech, or more accurately here, word usage demanded by one upon another. He then points out that due to the existence of humans rights tribunals, violations of this can result in fines and refusal to pay the fines (which he states he will refuse) will end up leading to jail time.

I'll get back to you later, because I am about to do something. I think we just got hung up on the word fluid.

[Himu]

Oh okay. I agree with that. Making gender identity speech into law is such a Canadian thing to do.

[Phoenix Dark]

Although not nude, Sue Lyon (14) was way sexed up in Lolita.

(Image removed from quote.)

This image is probably the birth of a zillion sickos.

I haven't seen either the original or remake BUT I remember seeing this scene on TV when I was a kid and being creeped the fuck out

[Optimus]

Can we all at least agree that terms like gender fluid, polyamorous, pansexual and so on are obnoxious bullshit used by pretentious attention whores? Fucking say bisexual or I like to screw a lot of people you pathetic fucks, using your distinguished mentally-challenged social studies buzzwords won't make you smart, it'll only make me and people like me hate your guts.

You see, I admit it, I'm a bigot, I discriminate against morons.

[daemon]

Oh okay. I agree with that. Making gender identity speech into law is such a Canadian thing to do.

yep. Language belongs to society, not lawmakers. If something doesn't stick, you can't just say: well i'll use the law to make it stick. Well, technically you can, but you look like an authoritative asshole for doing it.

gay, bi, all these words stuck because the usage was widespread, not because some fucking entitled fucks that don't make even 1% of the population want everyone else to speak klingon.

[clothedmacuser]

I'll just say it.

I'd happily take a pay cut if it meant women could get a fair wage.

If you aren't prepared to do that, then you aren't really for wage equality. Loads of guys who say they're for wage equality are for it in this nebulous 'so long as it doesn't take a penny out of my earnings' sort of way... and many people who are against it, are afraid it'll do just that.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=243535372&postcount=314

lol, what a sucker

Does anyone actually tell him to follow though?  He should go to HR and demand his salary be cut so all the women women  at his place of work receive equal pay.  Or is he just a giant pussy?

[Himu]

Can we all at least agree that terms like gender fluid, polyamorous, pansexual and so on are obnoxious bullshit used by pretentious attention whores? Fucking say bisexual or I like to screw a lot of people you pathetic fucks, using your distinguished mentally-challenged social studies buzzwords won't make you smart, it'll only make me and people like me hate your guts.

You see, I admit it, I'm a bigot, I discriminate against morons.

Nah. These words create distinctions. Labels are good at that.

Let's take polyamorous. I have a friend like that. It doesn't just mean bi. It means a more open relationship. My friend has multiple relationships and they all know, and they all fuck each other, and they're all fine with it. That's polyamory, which is a clear difference than just being bi. So when you say "I'm polyamorous" you're basically telling someone that you enjoy a mutually open relationship and everyone who wants to join in should join in on the fun. It's also different from polygamy because there's no real guarantee that you will marry any of these people. Hence, polyamory.

Words have meaning and it isn't moronic to define them.

Oh okay. I agree with that. Making gender identity speech into law is such a Canadian thing to do.

yep. Language belongs to society, not lawmakers. If something doesn't stick, you can't just say: well i'll use the law to make it stick. Well, technically you can, but you look like an authoritative asshole for doing it.

gay, bi, all these words stuck because the usage was widespread, not because some fucking entitled fucks that don't make even 1% of the population want everyone else to speak klingon.

Canada banned Islamphobia. It seems in the more liberal/left nations their idea on controlling a situation is banning it. France says let's ban burkhinis, Canada bans islamphobia. What counts as islamphobia? Definitely a slippery slope.

Makes you proud to be an American  and live in a country where people can say what they want even if it's fucking distinguished mentally-challenged. You won't see anyone banning burkhinis here. But on the other hand, no decent healthcare.

Truly shows that no place is perfect and grass is always greener.

Did you know pepper spray is illegal in Canada? Imagine being a woman in Canada. Can't pack a gun for protection either apparently.

Maybe gaf truly is left. They have the authoratarianism to go with it.

[CrankyJay]

I'll just say it.

I'd happily take a pay cut if it meant women could get a fair wage.

If you aren't prepared to do that, then you aren't really for wage equality. Loads of guys who say they're for wage equality are for it in this nebulous 'so long as it doesn't take a penny out of my earnings' sort of way... and many people who are against it, are afraid it'll do just that.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=243535372&postcount=314

lol, what a sucker

Does anyone actually tell him to follow though?  He should go to HR and demand his salary be cut so all the women women  at his place of work receive equal pay.  Or is he just a giant pussy?

No, because everyone knows it's a meaningless platitude.

[WanderingWind]

Bunch of alt-righters. I personally would totally take a paycut to give each woman in my office a pay raise. I'm for real totes gonna do it on Monday, don't even worry about it, actually it's best if you just forget it.

Has that burned off enough of the shame accumulated from jerking it to dubiously produced porn yet? Am I a Good Boy?

[Optimus]

Can we all at least agree that terms like gender fluid, polyamorous, pansexual and so on are obnoxious bullshit used by pretentious attention whores? Fucking say bisexual or I like to screw a lot of people you pathetic fucks, using your distinguished mentally-challenged social studies buzzwords won't make you smart, it'll only make me and people like me hate your guts.

You see, I admit it, I'm a bigot, I discriminate against morons.

Nah. These words create distinctions. Labels are good at that.

Let's take polyamorous. I have a friend like that. It doesn't just mean bi. It means a more open relationship. My friend has multiple relationships and they all know, and they all fuck each other, and they're all fine with it. That's polyamory, which is a clear difference than just being bi. So when you say "I'm polyamorous" you're basically telling someone that you enjoy a mutually open relationship and everyone who wants to join in should join in on the fun. It's also different from polygamy because there's no real guarantee that you will marry any of these people. Hence, polyamory.

Words have meaning and it isn't moronic to define them.

I know what polyamorous means, that's where the "I like to screw a lot of people" part of my post fits. You can say open relationship. You can say we're not exclusive. But no. The pretentious fucks need to use dumb social studies buzzwords and piss off everyone.

You know, I don't give a flying fuck about other people's lives, sexual fetishes, preferences and so on but when they try to act holier than thou or better than others because of how progressive and open minded they are that's when the contrarian in me wakes up and I'm starting to hate their guts.  They can say not exclusive, or open relationship but they don't because pretentiousness is half their identity, their other half being their sexuality.

[Himu]

Polyamorous is not a new word.

[Optimus]

Polyamorous is not a new word.

No shit, it has only been popularized lately though by obnoxious hipsters.

[Himu]

Bunch of alt-righters. I personally would totally take a paycut to give each woman in my office a pay raise. I'm for real totes gonna do it on Monday, don't even worry about it, actually it's best if you just forget it.

Has that burned off enough of the shame accumulated from jerking it to dubiously produced porn yet? Am I a Good Boy?

In the scale of "this is how disillusioned I am by the current left even though I support the same causes" are you a 1 or 10?

[CrankyJay]

Bunch of alt-righters. I personally would totally take a paycut to give each woman in my office a pay raise. I'm for real totes gonna do it on Monday, don't even worry about it, actually it's best if you just forget it.

Has that burned off enough of the shame accumulated from jerking it to dubiously produced porn yet? Am I a Good Boy?

In the scale of "this is how disillusioned I am by the current left even though I support the same causes" are you a 1 or 10?

Meh. No one needs to be paid less in order for women to be paid more. Companies need to pick up that slack. Not male workers. "Plagiarize" is being a white knight and a cuck at the same time.

[venereology]

either that or it's some weird stealth brag about his income

[zepblackstar]

y'all slacking, update you inclusiveness

http://afropunk.com/2017/07/my-gender-is-black/

MY GENDER IS BLACK

[agrajag]

I don't know about you guys, but my paycheck ain't big enough to virtue signal a pay cut.

[benjipwns]

I don't know about you guys, but my paycheck ain't big enough to virtue signal a pay cut.

Not surprised that you're part of the problem.

[agrajag]

a chinese "masseuse" touched my no no zone, how do i ensure no one ever touches my no no zone ever again

i know

post on gaf about it

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1406569

I am a hero

Was there any need to bring up the person's race in the story, you racist fuck?

Oh yeah, I forgot masseuse is a maginalized term.

I meant to say slave.

What a fucking dork. Who goes to an Asian massage parlour and gets outraged at the prospect of a happy ending?

[benjipwns]

I'll just say it.

I'd happily take a pay cut if it meant women could get a fair wage.

If you aren't prepared to do that, then you aren't really for wage equality. Loads of guys who say they're for wage equality are for it in this nebulous 'so long as it doesn't take a penny out of my earnings' sort of way... and many people who are against it, are afraid it'll do just that.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=243535372&postcount=314

lol, what a sucker

Does anyone actually tell him to follow though?  He should go to HR and demand his salary be cut so all the women women  at his place of work receive equal pay.  Or is he just a giant pussy?

He's not talking about just the women he works with, he's talking about all women, everywhere. He'd probably give it himself each paycheck if it was just his co-workers but that doesn't solve the problem permanently so it's not worth it. But you gator garbage already know this and are just trying to distract from the real issue here.

That Cisleithania stayed mostly intact initially, while Transleithania was torn apart and has never been allowed to re-integrate despite being a large (something which likely offended the size bigoted West) and autonomous region prior to the war.

[benjipwns]

That Cisleithania stayed mostly intact initially, while Transleithania was torn apart and has never been allowed to re-integrate despite being a large (something which likely offended the size bigoted West) and autonomous region prior to the war.

This is such typical social studies warrior horseshit. What's next, a lecture about how Lower Canada was to the northeast of Upper Canada?

[Jenkem]

Lightning Returns > FF13-2 > FF 9 > FF5 > FF6 > FF4 > FFX-2 > FF7 > FFXII > FF4 > FFX > FF8 > FF3 > FF > FF2

 

[benjipwns]

Actually, a better example of a literal social studies warrior was the professor I had who brought his own maps to class because all the ones pre-installed in the history classrooms had northern hemisphere bias. (Though his were just flipped Mercator ones, not Gail-Peters with the Pacific centered. For shame.)

Personally all my global maps are dymaxion ones oriented on a T-O basis.

[the freakin woz]

lol on the right at 1:17

[Let's Cyber]

 

How did you find this? He's got to be the oldest person there at least a decade.

[zepblackstar]

over "there" cut a gif quick

http://i.imgur.com/Fzt3L29.gif

[agrajag]

 

That video is IRL version of this

[benjipwns]

I thought that was old news, and he even posted in a thread about it? At the end of the video and in the group shot you can clearly see him.

edit: he even made the thread!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1047139

Did he realize he had someone more famous than him in the crowd?

[benjipwns]

 

[benjipwns]

From some other GAFfer who was there but didn't recognize Evilore:

Here's the full gallery of photos:

http://photo.rukes.com/truecolors5/truecolors5.html

[Let's Cyber]

I thought that was old news, and he even posted in a thread about it? At the end of the video and in the group shot you can clearly see him.

edit: he even made the thread!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1047139

Did he realize he had someone more famous than him in the crowd?

oh no, how embarrassing.

[benjipwns]

oh no, how embarrassing.

Relax. We can't all be Bobby Roberts 24/7. That's why The Bore is here, to take turns being Bobby Roberts.

[Let's Cyber]

And even when we can't be bobby roberts, we can keep his spirit in our hearts and try our best each and every post.

And sometimes that is enough, kiddo.

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We might have reached peak robert roberts in the Mayweather/McGregor thread TBH.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=243519798&postcount=413

 

EDIT: I just realized this was already posted on the last page. 

[close]

[benjipwns]

I know that users who are permanently banned like Amir0x and Dennis can't check post histories aka advanced hacker level PI training, so I'll just mention that since that post, Bobby Roberts essentially pulled back to just posting in the Star Wars, Box Office and Disney Expo threads.

Other than throwing a parting gif at ghst:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=243526911&postcount=443

[benjipwns]

holy shit OT doesn't have a single Trump thread on the first page right now

i need to...

i need to sit down

spoiler (click to show/hide)

except...i already am

*hangs self*

[close]

[agrajag]

Guys, sometimes each one of us is a Bobby Roberts, although most of the rest of the time we are all Dennis. 

[Jenkem]

I know that users who are permanently banned like Amir0x and Dennis can't check post histories aka advanced hacker level PI training, so I'll just mention that since that post, Bobby Roberts essentially pulled back to just posting in the Star Wars, Box Office and Disney Expo threads.

Other than throwing a parting gif at ghst:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=243526911&postcount=443

Don't worry, next time there's news about the new Tarantino movie he'll be back...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=243205176&postcount=68
 

[clothedmacuser]

I know that users who are permanently banned like Amir0x and Dennis can't check post histories aka advanced hacker level PI training, so I'll just mention that since that post, Bobby Roberts essentially pulled back to just posting in the Star Wars, Box Office and Disney Expo threads.

Other than throwing a parting gif at ghst:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=243526911&postcount=443

Don't worry, next time there's news about the new Tarantino movie he'll be back...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=243205176&postcount=68
 

I'm not a black man like Bobby but I can imagine how frustrating that can be if you hear your race and personhood denegrated like that.



Real Talk: I'm always disappointed by Mr. Pink when he says "We're all just acting like a bunch of distinguished black fellows!"  He's the guy I want to be in the movie even if he doesn't tip.  Logical, rational, and non-emotional but he still has to drop the n-bomb to say they are acting foolish.

 

[seagrams hotsauce]

I know that users who are permanently banned like Amir0x and Dennis can't check post histories aka advanced hacker level PI training, so I'll just mention that since that post, Bobby Roberts essentially pulled back to just posting in the Star Wars, Box Office and Disney Expo threads.

Other than throwing a parting gif at ghst:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=243526911&postcount=443

The "send me a PM if you don't like me" thing is so fucking weird

[benjipwns]

in my experience that only leads in two directions:
1. dude has some epic need to shit on you for like two years worth of stuff he's held back that you forgot even were arguments, let alone with him personally, because it'd get him banned if he posted it
a. dude wants to say he really loves your posts and hope you didn't take it personal but we can't break kayfabe

[benjipwns]

last time i got a "1", i was initially going to respond to one part because the guy had completely misunderstood me in opposite of what i was saying (and i've had instances where this causes the person to swap over to "a" because it was all they were truly simmering on), but then i thought better of it and just responded with "lol" and he was like "this just proves my point about your posts and how you're a joke"

[VomKriege]

I know that users who are permanently banned like Amir0x and Dennis can't check post histories aka advanced hacker level PI training, so I'll just mention that since that post, Bobby Roberts essentially pulled back to just posting in the Star Wars, Box Office and Disney Expo threads.

Other than throwing a parting gif at ghst:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=243526911&postcount=443

The "send me a PM if you don't like me" thing is so fucking weird

He's offering private lectures, you dong chafed kiddoes.
It's just a convoluted way to say that calling him out is derailing the discussion. Can't have that.

[Raist]

The girl playing Jasmine looks pretty fucking "ethnic". She doesn't look white at all. She looks pretty Arab.

But of course the SSW's of gaf will use colorism. What they really mean is "she isn't dark enough". There they go with their fundamentalist purity tests where nothing is ever, ever good enough.

Is the person who said she doesn't look "ethnic" enough white? That would be really funny.

When I posted that most of the last 200 posts or so were mostly a debate on how light or dark her skin tone is exactly.

[Himu]

The girl playing Jasmine looks pretty fucking "ethnic". She doesn't look white at all. She looks pretty Arab.

But of course the SSW's of gaf will use colorism. What they really mean is "she isn't dark enough". There they go with their fundamentalist purity tests where nothing is ever, ever good enough.

Is the person who said she doesn't look "ethnic" enough white? That would be really funny.

When I posted that most of the last 200 posts or so were mostly a debate on how light or dark her skin tone is exactly.

Like I said. Purity test. After being on the left for a while it's easy to tell when it is.

[Raist]

Seems like they're still going at it. I was worried it would have stopped overnight for a second.

[Himu]

Seems like they're still going at it. I was worried it would have stopped overnight for a second.

They won't stop going at it because the purity test (I.e. "This person isn't dark enough) is the backbone of their argument. Since they are applying colorism against the actress that's the sole problem they have. So that's all the discussion they'll talk about to justify their bigotry.

[TVC15]

They need to stop bitching and be happy that Will Smith has been cast in something that will likely be at least of acceptable quality for the first time since Bad Boys 2. Really, go look at his filmography. That’s his last good movie and it’s 14 years old. Will needs a win. That’s more important than obsessing about racially accurate casting.

[VomKriege]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=243586806

I get irritated when going to the movies and I don't feel like my friends actually care about the experience, such as texting or going to the toilet willy nilly

[Oblivion]

Mulan had better be full Scarlett Johansson though.

.

[agrajag]

I don't care about the color of her skin, but she definitely isn't curvy enough to play Jasmine!

[J Tourettes]

Dream completely wrecked Bobby. I got burnt just reading it.

Here's the thing: we know that you think this PPV is a scam, that it's at best a squash match between a "racist" and a "homophobe." We knew this at 12:49am, eastern time, on July 15, 2017. We knew that without you repeating it ad infinitum in the subsequent hours. All you've been doing since then is jerking yourself off.

And if there was any inkling--even the slightest hint--that you knew what you're talking about, the way you do when you muse on, say, the Skywalker clan, there might be a discussion to be had. But when the twenty-seven posts that you've made in this thread basically amount to "don't buy this PPV because I am right," there's no real discussion here. There's just the monotonous sounds of a bleating Bobby Roberts.

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Why have you used a gif of Bobby winning?

[Raist]

To be honest, I'm surprised GAF hasn't been triggered by the Genie cast yet.

An African American for the role of what is essentially a slave? Bad optics.

[benjipwns]

Not only that, but muslims, who weren't created from light like angels, and who are malevolent and tricksters.

And the second most famous Genie is Kazaam.

And the idea of wish granting just papers over the real world problems that minorities face, they aren't allowed any wishes to save them and their communities because of the white supremacy Trump invented to get elected.

And then there's the whole concept of moving pictures, one of the most important being The Birth of A Nation.

And why does the Genie have to be a man, are they trying to say that women can only be saved by men and their magical genies aka penises? In fact, this entire "Aladdin" thing sounds like just another plot cooked up by Gamergate to further their manocentric maleocractic control over the media.

[benjipwns]

Many thanks to Ben Lincoln and 'Mama Robotnik' for their assistance in making this episode.

THE SPECIAL GUEST STARTS HIS CONTRIBUTION AT 4:45

NeoGAF's central role in the gaming industry confirmed yet again. And the accuracy in the administration permanently banning the completely unknown young child fanatic Amir0x, Dennis and lawsuit fanatic Denis Dyack.

[FStop7]

Dozens of pale sweaties debating the brownness of actors.

[etiolate]

For Queen

I honestly don't get the agender stuff and I legitimately think that they should have their own separate thing than trans people (given they are agender and we aren't), but I haven't seen a single study suggest the data you're suggesting. Sociologically, there's more than male or female. When you say there's only male or female do you biologically or sociologically? Because I have already made the case for sociological gender variety. Two spirit, third gender;etc have existed as long as there's been humans. Biologically, intersex is a thing. So when you speak biologically do you really mean sex and not gender? So I'm not really sure what you're arguing nor how you could possibly use science to argue it since there's no data on agender either for or against.

From the article you listed earlier:

With most mammals, however, the majority of individuals are cisgender male or female; transgender individuals are estimated to comprise about 0.3% of the adult U.S. population.

And intersex is estimated at about 1.7%. You can argue stuff like XXY, but a lot of those chromosone variances still fall along male/female.

So intersex and transgender are out there, but they are very small. The point being that there's a 98% group that is male to man and female to woman. I know cultural anthropology has cultures that have a third gender and that America is very binary with gender. However, its still a matter of statistics. We got from 2 genders to maybe 3 genders, but we're still dealing in small, small portions on that third gender. Even within those portions, transgender often exists at the poles but at both ends at once. Male/Woman Female/Man rather than Male/Man or Female/Woman.

So it's not an argument that such things don't exist, but a criticism of the portrayal of their prevalence. In the populace, we have four polls. Male, Female biologically and Man, Woman as gender. Biology largely informs gender. There are people in the middle and some of those people are still at the polls just at both opposite polls at once. So that's how you get 98% of the population as cisgender and even those that are transgendered can exist at the two ends with "traditional" genders that just don't match biological sex at birth. So a multitude of genders isn't backed up by stats or studies. It's largely the two big categories.

So when people say gender spectrum and people envision this granular continuous range, they are envisioning a false idea of the reality.  The reality is two large piles with a little bit in between, but even the in between is sometimes made up of the identities in the large piles. 

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The girl playing Jasmine looks pretty fucking "ethnic". She doesn't look white at all. She looks pretty Arab.

But of course the SSW's of gaf will use colorism. What they really mean is "she isn't dark enough". There they go with their fundamentalist purity tests where nothing is ever, ever good enough.

Is the person who said she doesn't look "ethnic" enough white? That would be really funny.

I saw a post on GAF that said that wanting to get culturally relevant casting for Aladdin was SUBCONSCIOUSLY racist because they were holding Arab (ish) actors to white actor standards, and that's why they were having such a problem casting people.

The whole thing is really funny to me. Aladdin is implied to be Chinese, and the story probably takes place in central Asia/ northwestern China. Bonus fun facts about "Arabian Nights": Aladdin wasn't originally part of the collection, and despite it's name, the collection itself isn't Arabic - it's Persian.