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« Reply #15480 on: March 18, 2018, 11:38:48 AM »
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« Reply #15481 on: March 18, 2018, 11:44:47 AM »
I really don't get how anyone can get behind this dude. Imagine thinking it's worth sacrificing the dignity it takes to pretend he's not borderline distinguished mentally-challenged because you wanna stay in his corner cuz he's openly racist or whatever

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« Reply #15482 on: March 18, 2018, 12:11:49 PM »
Trump went on emergency golfing today per suggestion of his aids. Everyone should have aids.
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« Reply #15483 on: March 18, 2018, 12:14:54 PM »


The mistake is that they're going to Twitter to 'fight' him. Now Fox and Friends can air a show on Monday saying how unprofessional it is for law enforcement or government officials to trash a President on Twitter.
Next up CNN will do a Comey interview for his book and a very serious thing turns into a shit flinging contest on TV.

Trump thrives on chaos. He wants the Mueller investigation to turn into a subplot of his show so it loses credibility and he has almost succeeded in doing that.
As soon as former CIA directors and such sign-up to Twitter just to send him an angry tweet he is close to turning this thing into an:
"Us (hard working people)" vs. "Them (D.C. Swamp and fake news)"

If Comey's goal is to sell books, that's a good strategy. If his goal is to get rid of Trump, not so much.
If you tune in anxiously to see what Fox and Friends has to say, you likely already view Comey as a deep state swamp devil that is trying to undermine the god emperor’s agenda. Comey’s silence or occasional tweet isn’t changing that impression.

And two people that aren’t even employed by the government anymore making one off statements on Twitter is not exactly what I would constitute a factional fight.

Trump is going to rise or fall on the evidence of Mueller's investigation. Recent polls have the American people, by a decent margin, putting more faith in Mueller’s integrity than Trump’s when it comes to matters surrounding Russia. So it’s hard to see how you are saying Trump is on the cusp of some grand PR victory against the Mueller investigation? Fox News, Trump, and natural human tribalism get credit for muddying the waters as much as they have, mostly because it was always going to be so because so much of the country is willfully captured by their nonsense, but I think its a bit of a stretch to think a Comey and Brennan tweet is some sort of needle mover in Trump’s direction.



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« Reply #15484 on: March 18, 2018, 03:01:06 PM »
pretend he's not borderline distinguished mentally-challenged because you wanna stay in his corner cuz he's openly racist or whatever

not 'or whatever'

that's basically all there is to it

think about it

why the fuck would steel workers or coal miners or whoever think donald trump, a billionaire playboy from fucking new york born with a silver spoon in his mouth, is on their side?

they think 'he's one of us' because he shares their racism

Eh, because they work in soon to be dead industries and a millionaire that promotes himself as accomplishing  “the American Dream”  is promising their jobs back while being “honest” by being a perpetual jackass.

Racism plays a role in Trump base, but is not sole reason.

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« Reply #15485 on: March 18, 2018, 04:14:34 PM »
Surprised you guys aren't talking about this yet:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/cambridge-analytica-facebook-influence-us-election

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« Reply #15486 on: March 18, 2018, 05:16:11 PM »
pretend he's not borderline distinguished mentally-challenged because you wanna stay in his corner cuz he's openly racist or whatever

not 'or whatever'

that's basically all there is to it

think about it

why the fuck would steel workers or coal miners or whoever think donald trump, a billionaire playboy from fucking new york born with a silver spoon in his mouth, is on their side?

they think 'he's one of us' because he shares their racism

Eh, because they work in soon to be dead industries and a millionaire that promotes himself as accomplishing  “the American Dream”  is promising their jobs back while being “honest” by being a perpetual jackass.

Racism plays a role in Trump base, but is not sole reason.

I mean I think it’s the number 1 reason, for sure.

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« Reply #15487 on: March 18, 2018, 06:46:05 PM »
What do working class people do to entertain themselves?
They watch TV.

And what was on right when they lost their jobs and houses?




And who did the news channels call to get comments on the most important events?
The same person that had the massive iron balls to pick a fight with the President of the United States.






And who was like both candidate, favorite interview guest and meta commentary at the same time because ratings would just explode if he started rambling




And who was most happy that Trump won the nomination and pushed for him, Carson and or other occupants of the insane asylum to win over say Rubio, Kasich or Jeb Bush?
Just so she could not only win but turn Texas blue.




And how did it end?




The most crazy thing.

Trump is attacking the media (CNN/MSNBC/NYT/WAPO/SNL) that made him win. The #resistance has not dragged these people but instead considers them their heroes.
Like Morning Joe, who called with Trump every morning if he wasn't on the phone with CNN.
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« Reply #15488 on: March 18, 2018, 06:52:16 PM »
Personally, I keep hearing about all these economically anxious, non-racist Trump voters, but I got to say, as someone in the heart of Trump country, with family, friends and colleagues that are mostly life long Republicans, I'm still trying to find one.

They seem to be really fucking elusive.

I've been promised they are around, all the care pieces from well meaning liberals that promise they have spoken to many of them, but it seems like all the ones I come across eventually end up telling me when the coast is clear, some variation or combination of how sick and tired they are of the disrespectful blacks that just lounge on welfare, that crime is intrinsically a characteristic of Democrat loving blacks/Mexicans, the minorities at their job are always lazy, the illegals are ruining their communities, and/or how the terrorist sympathizing Muslims are all just incompatible with America and need to go.

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« Reply #15489 on: March 18, 2018, 07:47:39 PM »
Nintex's trolling in this thread is even worse than benji's. So...congratulations, I guess.
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« Reply #15490 on: March 18, 2018, 07:51:09 PM »
Nintex's trolling in this thread is even worse than benji's. So...congratulations, I guess.

He's a poverty benji

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« Reply #15491 on: March 18, 2018, 07:54:15 PM »
The comparison is an insult to Benji.

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« Reply #15492 on: March 18, 2018, 09:23:19 PM »
Nintex's trolling in this thread is even worse than benji's. So...congratulations, I guess.

I don’t understand how he knows so much about American TV and is like Dutch or something. Shouldn’t he be watching bbc or something?

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« Reply #15493 on: March 18, 2018, 09:46:09 PM »
Shouldn’t he be watching bbc or something?

Shouldn't we all? :phil

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« Reply #15494 on: March 18, 2018, 09:58:05 PM »
I would also point out that he posts during normal waking hours for America... and is there enough bandwidth to the Netherlands for someone to post threads with pics?!

Perhaps he is the same American that is Guccifer 2.0

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« Reply #15495 on: March 19, 2018, 12:04:39 AM »
pretend he's not borderline distinguished mentally-challenged because you wanna stay in his corner cuz he's openly racist or whatever

not 'or whatever'

that's basically all there is to it

think about it

why the fuck would steel workers or coal miners or whoever think donald trump, a billionaire playboy from fucking new york born with a silver spoon in his mouth, is on their side?

they think 'he's one of us' because he shares their racism

Because he told Coal Miners "I'm bringing your jobs back" and they bought it. Were there racist elements in his base? Yes, very. But Economic/Jobs in dying towns were a huge issue with the voting block that got him the win and Hillary said Jack(Remington)-shit about "saving their jobs."

Just for you and Jack (who is fucking clueless about the American voting base's choices, given the fact that Bush fucking won twice) because I love you <3:



You can pretty much replace this rant with "one side is in dying towns with no replacement jobs. The other is in 'ivory tower'/liberal towns that don't think the heart-land exists (despite them making your food, making your cars before outsourcing, giving you electricty, etc.). You vote for the ivory tower. They vote to try to keep their heads above water. That's voting. You're welcome (Jack, you dense motherfucker)."

And before Jack comes in with "B-B-B-BUT RACISM AND MISORGY!" I don't doubt there were elements in Trumps base that have those. BUT besides the fact that Trump knocked out a bunch of "establishment" canidates by running a literal circus, he told his "base"/true believers "don't worry, it's 'kay. I got your backs. Coals coming back in a big way!" and they bought it.

Why the hell do you think Sanders was popular with the Democratic side that bought his economic stump speech?" Because they (and Jack being naive and not thinking it's a huge fucking issue) knew economics/jobs was an issue.

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« Reply #15496 on: March 19, 2018, 12:04:54 AM »
LA Times op-ed correctly pinpoints mass immigration, specifically illegal immigration, as a threat to black Americans.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-seminara-trump-immigration-reform-african-americans-20180316-story.html

Aside: Hopefully Rand Paul and the folks in the senate do their jobs and filibuster Trump’s cabinet replacement picks. Torture has no place in American intelligence.

Read this a few hours ago too.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/exit-left/476190/?utm_source=fbb

Looking forward to voting for Crenshaw in the runoff. He looks so rad with his eyepatch. Pro-life, secure borders, anti-sanctuary state, pro-gun. Ticks all the boxes.

In other news I’m currently glued to the Illinois special election. I really want to know what’s going to happen as it'll probably be a good indicator of Democratic future elections. Hoping the moderate Democrat, Lipinski, wins in Illinois on Tuesday. But given Illinois Democrats trying to put him in his place and contest because “he doesn’t fit the district” he might be in trouble. Good on him for being anti-abortion and sticking to his guns. He’s got balls. Lamb should be a blueprint for the democrats going forward but they’ll struggle with the in-fighting between moderate dems and progressives. What they need to win are blue dogs like Lamb. It’s great that they acknowledged that but I doubt their ability to pursue that kind of campaigning going forward because Lamb was all about independence and didn’t toe the national democratic line. So right now in Illinois there’s two democratic narratives: “we need more support for moderate candidates to fight Trump” versus “progressivism is the future of the party.” Either way, the story will be interesting to see unfold. Good political theatre. What are they willing to sell? Their values or the midterms?
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« Reply #15497 on: March 19, 2018, 12:07:25 AM »
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« Reply #15498 on: March 19, 2018, 12:11:04 AM »
Must admit that seeing the progressive vs centrist Democrat fight rn is pretty entertaining especially the recent Senate vote in loosening bank rules. You’ve got Elizabeth Warren reeee-ing about it despite it reportedly giving only small banks a boost. The in-fighting is pretty funny and popcorn worthy.
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« Reply #15499 on: March 19, 2018, 12:14:57 AM »
LA Times op-ed correctly pinpoints mass immigration, specifically illegal immigration, as a threat to black Americans.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-seminara-trump-immigration-reform-african-americans-20180316-story.html

Aside: Hopefully Rand Paul and the folks in the senate do their jobs and filibuster Trump’s cabinet replacement picks. Torture has no place in American intelligence.

I'll read that second one sometime in a little bit if I got time before bed. But this is interesting.

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In 2016, the Obama White House produced a 48-page report acknowledging that immigration does not help the labor force participation rate of the native-born.

That's interesting. If Obama agrees that "dem illegals are takin' muh jobs," maybe there's something there ( :drudge :drudge :drudge @ Jack) about how Trump won? :thinking Nah, can't be. Gotta be racists and misogynists! T. Jack fucking clueless Remington.

Edit: Yeah. That's a completely rock solid article, Himu. I didn't know that immigration was hitting Black Employees the hardest or causing school drop-outs. I'm wondering if going into black communities a la this program/study that went to Black Barbershops to test Black Mens blood-pressure and help them with their health if it was high would help with that. Bring in industries willing to go to those (possibly high-crime for the time, which is a city/police/etc. managing issue more than the businesses) places to help them out and improve the community.
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« Reply #15500 on: March 19, 2018, 12:19:24 AM »
LA Times op-ed correctly pinpoints mass immigration, specifically illegal immigration, as a threat to black Americans.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-seminara-trump-immigration-reform-african-americans-20180316-story.html

Aside: Hopefully Rand Paul and the folks in the senate do their jobs and filibuster Trump’s cabinet replacement picks. Torture has no place in American intelligence.

Read this a few hours ago too.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/exit-left/476190/?utm_source=fbb

Looking forward to voting for Crenshaw in the runoff. He looks so rad with his eyepatch. Pro-life, secure borders, anti-sanctuary state, pro-gun. Ticks all the boxes.

In other news I’m currently glued to the Illinois special election. I really want to know what’s going to happen as it'll probably be a good indicator of Democratic future elections. Hoping the moderate Democrat, Lipinski, wins in Illinois on Tuesday. But given Illinois Democrats trying to put him in his place and contest because “he doesn’t fit the district” he might be in trouble. Good on him for being anti-abortion and sticking to his guns. He’s got balls. Lamb should be a blueprint for the democrats going forward but they’ll struggle with the in-fighting between moderate dems and progressives. What they need to win are blue dogs like Lamb. It’s great that they acknowledged that but I doubt their ability to pursue that kind of campaigning going forward because Lamb was all about independence and didn’t toe the national democratic line. So right now in Illinois there’s two democratic narratives: “we need more support for moderate candidates to fight Trump” versus “progressivism is the future of the party.” Either way, the story will be interesting to see unfold. Good political theatre. What are they willing to sell? Their values or the midterms?

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« Reply #15501 on: March 19, 2018, 12:23:09 AM »
Obama won’t care because he isn’t black but African. Going forward note the difference. Black = descendent of a slave. Obama is not a descendent of a slave. He is an African. So he has a vested interest.

The line I think is when people’s rightful criticism of in illegal immigration in particular and mass integration specifically become intertwined with racist rhetoric. It’s reasonable to think that the illegal immigrant lady who got an state office job in California the other day is  breaking the law. Rule of law exists for a reason. But when you enact stop and frisk and demanding ID laws on anyone who “looks” like an immigrant, you enable a slippery slope of discrimination and racism. Essentially,  mass immigration is a problem. The real trouble starts when you wrap that up racist rhetoric I would think.

It’s a good opportunity to also note that America has some of the most lax immigration laws in the free world. In other countries you will be put in jail and deported. Over here we tend to allow paths to citizenship and amnesty. Frankly, any illegal immigrant criticizing American immigration policies that aren’t inherently racist should be grateful they’re here in the first place. There’s zero reason America should entertain the the thought of them staying and the fact that they do speaks of our greatness.
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« Reply #15502 on: March 19, 2018, 12:24:12 AM »
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« Reply #15503 on: March 19, 2018, 12:29:34 AM »
Called this a month ago.
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Negatives:

Supports Dream act

Wait, let me guess this one!

"Liberals claim to want to help black people, yet they're going to open up the borders so a bunch of immigrants, and black people (who disproportionately do the jobs these people will be taking) will either be displaced or have to accept wage cuts? Black Americans whose roots in this country go back literally centuries and you're going to literally treat foreigners better than them? Another leftist scam, I'm glad I'm done believing all your lies!"

Either that or it's a typo.

Damn I'm good.

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« Reply #15504 on: March 19, 2018, 12:40:00 AM »
LA Times op-ed correctly pinpoints mass immigration, specifically illegal immigration, as a threat to black Americans.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-seminara-trump-immigration-reform-african-americans-20180316-story.html

Aside: Hopefully Rand Paul and the folks in the senate do their jobs and filibuster Trump’s cabinet replacement picks. Torture has no place in American intelligence.

I'll read that second one sometime in a little bit if I got time before bed. But this is interesting.

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In 2016, the Obama White House produced a 48-page report acknowledging that immigration does not help the labor force participation rate of the native-born.

That's interesting. If Obama agrees that "dem illegals are takin' muh jobs," maybe there's something there ( :drudge :drudge :drudge @ Jack) about how Trump won? :thinking Nah, can't be. Gotta be racists and misogynists! T. Jack fucking clueless Remington.

Edit: Yeah. That's a completely rock solid article, Himu. I didn't know that immigration was hitting Black Employees the hardest or causing school drop-outs. I'm wondering if going into black communities a la this program/study that went to Black Barbershops to test Black Mens blood-pressure and help them with their health if it was high would help with that. Bring in industries willing to go to those (possibly high-crime for the time, which is a city/police/etc. managing issue more than the businesses) places to help them out and improve the community.

I like that.

Immigration has been a problem but a lot of black “leaders” cape for immigrants more than actual black people. So it’s been a problem but apparently democrats don’t care. Illegal immigrant jobs tend to trend low-skilled and many black people also work low-skilled jobs. So you’re going to have animosity and competition. Black people will lose out due to sheer numbers. This is where the abortion issue kicks in. And with lower numbers you lack political power.

What could help black people is restasblishing the family unit most. Things like the drug war get in the way of that. Then there’s stuff like welfare which makes it unnecessary for single black mothers to marry. I think one thing you could is make a deal with the Republicans to make welfare benefit married couples. This will work as an incentive and rebuild the black family unit. Currently there’s a record number of black college graduates which is fantastic and we have solid economic power when we want to wield it. The problem is turning that into wealth.

In order of importance:

1. End the drug war and decriminalize all drugs.
2. Put an incentive on welfare to make it attractive for married couples.
3. More job opportunities. This is where black college grads come in. They can make black businesses.

With more businesses we can accrue wealth. With wealth, higher population, and economic power we can have political power. This will help create create independence.
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« Reply #15505 on: March 19, 2018, 12:43:49 AM »
Sorry. I just read the stuff about immigration and racism and just thought a good idea to post the LA Times op-ed. I’ll be on my way.
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« Reply #15506 on: March 19, 2018, 12:45:03 AM »
Sorry. I just read the stuff about immigration and racism and just thought a good idea to post the LA Times op-ed. I’ll be on my way.

 No! Stay! Cream has been posting here regularly. I want to view you two interacting.
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« Reply #15507 on: March 19, 2018, 12:51:47 AM »
Please keep posting Cindi.

We need more diversity of thought  :doge

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« Reply #15508 on: March 19, 2018, 01:00:51 AM »
Sorry. I just read the stuff about immigration and racism and just thought a good idea to post the LA Times op-ed. I’ll be on my way.

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« Reply #15509 on: March 19, 2018, 01:09:19 AM »
Does this mean that Cindi may pop out at any time and disrupt our safe spaces and comforts?

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« Reply #15510 on: March 19, 2018, 01:20:25 AM »
Must admit that seeing the progressive vs centrist Democrat fight rn is pretty entertaining

Speaking of two groups that really should be getting along for their own combined benefit but are too stupid to do so:

Obama won’t care because he isn’t black but African. Going forward note the difference. Black = descendent of a slave. Obama is not a descendent of a slave. He is an African. So he has a vested interest.

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« Reply #15511 on: March 19, 2018, 01:29:30 AM »
Cindi is interesting in that it is a fascinating case study of how a person having an endorphin addiction to a hobby ultimately ends up shaping their entire worldview. It's a walkthrough of how so many gun addicts miraculously end up taking completely unrelated positions that align with the party they identify as friendly to their hobby. Its a slow build but it seemingly gets layered and layered on top of each other over time until you are basically voting in people that don't actually represent most of your interests except for supposedly protecting your favorite hobby. The rationalizations are always fun and interesting to see, but essentially you've become a one issue voter but you try and convince everyone around you its deeper than that.

Crenshaw will tow a completely labor regressive economic and criminal justice agenda that will do far more damage to working class black families than anything you could cherry pick about immigration displacement. But, he supports my favorite hobby, so let me spend a month coming up with contorted rationalizations to justify voting for him.


.....Also, I think there is quite a lot of work on how, who, and if illegal immigration dislocates native born workers, but I am not sure why a short op-ed from the LA times that cherry picks one or two examples to buffer his case is a credible authority on the matter? 

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« Reply #15512 on: March 19, 2018, 01:33:40 AM »
:lol

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« Reply #15513 on: March 19, 2018, 01:37:26 AM »
Obama isnt black but African?

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« Reply #15514 on: March 19, 2018, 01:45:16 AM »
damn, PL is like a shark in the water, chomping at the bit for some Cindi scraps

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« Reply #15515 on: March 19, 2018, 02:13:38 AM »
The part I don’t get is the flow from

Trump is elected, I’m afraid for my safety now, I need a gun -> join the party of Trump because they’re more supportive of gun rights.

Trump isn’t a one-off. He’s just the id of around half the party. Most of the other half is fine going along with his shit too.

It’s not one thing. It’s not just guns.

I now realize the fear of Trump was overblown and hysterics. However I still value self defense. 1 in 6 women are raped or had rape attempts. I find it a right to life situation and many Democrats openly do not support it and are for gun control which historically limits black gun ownership. Looking at the most liberal states’ policies - such as California - show me that their laws in cities like the Bay Area and LA where their gun laws mostly benefit rich white men. Speaking of right to life, I’ll be confirmed Catholic this Easter. I’ve always been kinda of on the side of pro-life because of abortions role in eugenics and black genocide. But I’ve always been pro-choice.  I held on to that for a long time but the more I learn about abortion the more I come to a pro-life position. Plus, it helps black people which is my main prerogative. Yet I can’t take this position as a Democrat. After the 2016 election I no longer have faith in the Democratic Party to lead. I also feel taken for granted. Economically we have seen what it over taxation, fiscally liberal policies do for black people. Black leaders voted overwhelmingly Democratic. It hasn’t worked out for us.

My main goal politically is black independence. I no longer view the Democratic Party as a friend to black people. They say they are, but their policies and general language indicate otherwise. On the other hand, you’ve got Republicans who have a communication problem among black people, but I do think some of their policies might help the black community. Democrats have had 50 years and yet we are in same place we were in 1968.

In an interview for her book The Loneliness of Black Republicans, Leah Wright Rigeur highlights what it takes for a black person to vote Republican.



You can view the question and answer at 20:49.

Obama isnt black but African?

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Historically black meant colored or negro, which meant slave. Racially, Africans are black. But when we speak of black Americans we are speaking of an ethnicity of a race, not a race at large. It’s similar to Latinos. One problem is a thinking that all black people are the same. And if all black people are the same, then black people are expendable. If black people are expendable then you’ll have an entire segment of black people on the sidelines. You’ll have: 1. The descendants of slaves and 2. The descendants of well off immigrants intermingling and considered as having the same history, the same culture, the same values. When all of these things are different.

There’s currently a thing happening now where often they’ll describe the person as black - just merely black. So for example, kid gets into all Ivy League schools. Upon inspection you come to find that the kid is an African immigrant and they don’t separate between the two. The problem with this is that many African immigrants get university aid for things that were originally made for black students - descendants of slaves. Therefore, they reap and benefit on our sacrifice and are treated literally as the same. Further, when Africans are considered just black, you have a thing where a giant portion of black students in American colleges and universities are actually from another country. I shouldn’t have to spell out the problem with equating two peoples as the same when one fought, bled, and worked for in their own nation for rights and have immigrants come and benefit from it and be treated as if they have the same exact history. This makes black Americans a replaced race.

It made purely to show the difference in our values and culture. Obama is black. But he’s not black. This is also important for genealogy. How does one get reparations if we are all the same? Thankfully in the 2020 census they have the good foresight to separate black people by ethnicity and origin.

The best medium is finding middle ground and alliance with the Africans and for it to be acknowledged that we are different people who share similar physical features - and even that’s to debate due black Americans more mixed race nature.

Nuance. :delicious
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« Reply #15516 on: March 19, 2018, 02:19:27 AM »
I remember when you were dropping the N-word on Kanye West for embarrassing you in front of white people.

Been a long, winding road.

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« Reply #15517 on: March 19, 2018, 02:38:57 AM »
Democrats have had 50 years and yet we are in same place we were in 1968.
wait...what?

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« Reply #15518 on: March 19, 2018, 02:40:21 AM »
20 pages of the cindi show incoming

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« Reply #15519 on: March 19, 2018, 02:40:50 AM »
The policy positions make sense.

Even the one about threatening women with prison so they have to carry pregnancies to term as a way of accruing demographic power?

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« Reply #15520 on: March 19, 2018, 03:30:21 AM »
I never said anything about abolishing abortion. It should be used in extreme cases and PP should be defunded.

The policy positions make sense. But man, you are shacking up with some of the most loathsome people in the country.

I wish we had a reasonable third party for you to join.

The best ideal is to go independent. As a bloc, blacks going independent in masse would get political attention and we could actually have people fight for our vote rather than expect it, and not live up to what that vote means.

But as an individual, pretty pointless. As an individual, you are only one person and wield limited power. Therefore, a party to boost your interests makes sense.

But as we have it now, there’s no real choice. Democratic takes you for granted and simply doesn’t give a shit while Republicans are at best apathetic. :yeshrug The crux is in the policies like you say. Gun control historically is a means to control minority’s right to a gun. Abortions have killed millions of black babies for decades, and Planned Parenthood was originally in eugenics. High taxes fuck black people. Welfare is demeaning. Liberalism in general leads to an ideology that fails black people. Most black Americans are conservative anyways. I remind you that it was black democratic leaders who pushed Nixon to jump start the drug war. Good intentions. It was also black democratic leaders who pushed for the crime bill in the 90’s. Good intentions. It is Democrats who push for open borders despite knowingly knowing that this hurts black people the most. Also good intentions. But good intentions mean jack shit if it doesn’t push for black power.

Democrats are just as loathesome. You and I watched the same State of the Union. Trump says historical black employment rate. No claps from Democrats. But they say,”vote for us.”

Ha.

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« Reply #15521 on: March 19, 2018, 03:35:34 AM »

There’s currently a thing happening now where often they’ll describe the person as black - just merely black. So for example, kid gets into all Ivy League schools. Upon inspection you come to find that the kid is an African immigrant and they don’t separate between the two. The problem with this is that many African immigrants get university aid for things that were originally made for black students - descendants of slaves. Therefore, they reap and benefit on our sacrifice and are treated literally as the same. Further, when Africans are considered just black, you have a thing where a giant portion of black students in American colleges and universities are actually from another country. I shouldn’t have to spell out the problem with equating two peoples as the same when one fought, bled, and worked for in their own nation for rights and have immigrants come and benefit from it and be treated as if they have the same exact history. This makes black Americans a replaced race.


Remind me again what the GOP position is on Affirmitive Action and which party was seeking to treat university subsidies as taxable income to pay for rich white people's tax cuts?

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« Reply #15522 on: March 19, 2018, 03:42:35 AM »
I never said anything about abolishing abortion. It should be used in extreme cases and PP should be defunded.

And in non-extreme cases what do you do to the woman?

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« Reply #15523 on: March 19, 2018, 03:47:47 AM »
MORE OF THE RACIST ANTI-BLACK DEMOCRATIC LEFT AGENDA:
http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/18/al-sharpton-black-lives-matter-farrakhan-protest/
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Several black activist groups are holding a protest on Monday in defense of Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, a notorious anti-Semite and racist revealed to have close ties to prominent Democratic politicians and activists.

Black Lives Matter, the New Black Panther Party and the National Action Network are among the groups spearheading the protest, the organizers said in a press release.

http://www.einnews.com/pr_news/437295043/condemn-donald-j-trump-not-farrakhan
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Over 100 organizational leaders will go office-to-office to deal with the GOP representatives that are leading this campaign, in specific Congressman Todd Rokita. The lobbyist will visit members of the Congressional Black Caucus who are under pressure to condemn Minister Farrakhan though the Congressional Black Caucus has yet to muster enough strength to introduce a resolution condemning that he repeated, vile and foul bigoted and reckless comments by President Donald Trump.

The Monday, March 19, 2018 congressional lobbying mission is spearheaded by Black Lawyers for Justice, the 10,000 Black Men's March organizers, National Action Network, the New Black Panther Party, Anacostia Citizens for Justice, Prince Georges County Peoples Coalition, Black Lives Matter and Black organizations from several states.

Black Lawyers for Justice National President Malik Zulu Shabazz says, "We cannot allow a politically hypocritical political situation to exist whereas an openly racist president, Donald Trump is given a free pass and to spew racist venom and racist policies by a confederate based GOP; and then they have the gall to issue an official legislative condemnation of a private citizen and Black leader who is dearly beloved by the masses." Mr. Shabazz has known Minister Louis Farrakhan for 30 years and has served on some of his key campaigns as an ally, supporter, and advisor.

The coalition will be lobbying key members of Congress-the GOP in particular-to condemn President Donald J. Trump and to leave Louis Farrakhan alone. Please do not try to stop us because we will not turn back. We will represent professionally and politically vigorously.


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« Reply #15524 on: March 19, 2018, 03:48:43 AM »
pls do not try and stop us thx

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« Reply #15525 on: March 19, 2018, 10:18:46 AM »
I haven't heard "Obama is black but he's not really black" since like...2007/8 when a handful of (mainly Hillary supporting) civil rights era dinosaurs were criticizing him. In reality, Obama met his father one or two times. He certainly spent a lot of time exploring his African heritage, but overall the experiences that shaped him are that of a...you know, black man growing up in America. Nor is he an African immigrant, meaning he went through the same process to get into universities that I did.

All of this becomes abundantly clear if you read his books, which I assume you haven't. He was black in Hawaii and black in Chicago. Even moreso in Chicago, where he experienced a lot of the stuff black dudes experience in cities - discrimination, cops, issues with dating, etc.

I know a ton of second generation Nigerians, and yes many of them are raised to view themselves differently than African Americans. Few things gave me more pleasure as a kid than dominating these types of kids in sports, trivia, or academics and watching their parents catch feelings. Obama was not raised in that environment.
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« Reply #15526 on: March 19, 2018, 10:37:41 AM »
He probably feels more Indonesian than African tbh. Although I've noticed at gun ranges that everybody is Asian so maybe he's really trying to betray every race?

African dad he doesn't talk to? CHECK

Banning guns that Asians love? CHECK

Increased (mostly Mexican) deportations during his term? CHECK

Ramped up the drone strikes on middle-east? CHECK

Used his dashing racial ambiguity to cause white men to get into cucking? CHECKMATE

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« Reply #15527 on: March 19, 2018, 10:40:21 AM »
It's crazy that Obama isn't black or a US citizen, yet he has more class than trump and was better prez than trump will ever be. :whew
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« Reply #15528 on: March 19, 2018, 10:45:46 AM »
He’s the best gay Muslim president we ever had, after Lincoln.
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« Reply #15529 on: March 19, 2018, 10:59:24 AM »
I remember when Obama made me convert to gay muslim and pledge allegiance to Wakanda

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« Reply #15530 on: March 19, 2018, 11:14:58 AM »
Democrats are just as loathesome. You and I watched the same State of the Union. Trump says historical black employment rate. No claps from Democrats. But they say,”vote for us.”

I think most of them were thinking "[citation needed]."

After all, by your own admission those damn illegals are taking all the jobs from blacks!

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« Reply #15531 on: March 19, 2018, 11:16:09 AM »
PP should be defunded.



PP does so much more for women's health than "just" abortions. You come off like someone who has no clue what they're talking about.

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« Reply #15532 on: March 19, 2018, 12:04:03 PM »
dunno about you guys, but when I think "stalwart allies of the African-American community" I think "reactionaries and conservatives" :thinking
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« Reply #15533 on: March 19, 2018, 12:09:06 PM »
God damn don't even know where to begin.

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« Reply #15534 on: March 19, 2018, 12:09:33 PM »
I feel like a transwoman arguing for defunding PLaned parenthood and being pro-life is like the ultimate versions of imposing your moality on other people, like “I really have no skin in the game whatsoever, but here’s what I strongly believe you should do”.



Edit: fuck I can’t type for shit.
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« Reply #15535 on: March 19, 2018, 12:11:57 PM »
I feel like a transwoman arguing for defunding PLaned parenthood and being pro-life is like the ultimate versions of imposing your moality on other people, like “I really have no skin in the game whatsoever, but here’s what I strongly believe you should do”.

I'm just flashing back to all the times she shat on people like me and "LGBT culture" for making the world a worse place, and all I can hear is a laugh echoing in the distance.

Like, her twin personalities of Uncle Tom and Aunt Cindi make a lovely couple.

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« Reply #15536 on: March 19, 2018, 12:13:11 PM »
dunno about you guys, but when I think "stalwart allies of the African-American community" I think "reactionaries and conservatives" :thinking

Yeah but like, democrats haven't done shit for black people ever. EVER! And they want black people to vote for them??

Also, Lincoln.

CHECKMATE WHITE LIBERALS :smug

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« Reply #15537 on: March 19, 2018, 12:24:04 PM »
The Klan were Dumbocraps. Checkmate, libtards
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« Reply #15538 on: March 19, 2018, 12:25:18 PM »
also it was actually REPUBLICANS that freed the slaves. Democrats wanted to fight to keep slavery. Bet you didn't know that? Triple checkmate, libtards.

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« Reply #15539 on: March 19, 2018, 12:43:04 PM »
 The DEMONRATS just want to keep black people on their plantation!  :doge
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