US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[agrajag]

I em as american as epple pie, tovarish

[Mollys Fruity Loops]

NSA - Q group

https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-the-q-group-the-directorate-hunting-down-edward-snowden

[agrajag]

[Phoenix Dark]

all of my online worlds are colliding

As far as allegiances go the Democrats are never getting these people back while Trump is alive.
And these are exactly the kind of disenfranchised blue collar voters that he flipped from blue to red and don't vote republican but vote Trump.
Because Q zealots are the boomer/labor/factory worker types and not at all the same as the hipster alt-right or classic Alex Jones loonies.

The people that drank Obama's 'Hope and Change' koolaid in exhausted industrial towns were the most easy targets.
Which is why I'm still leaning towards Q being some sort of deliberate thing and not just a 4chan troll in his basement.

What? The people who believe this nonsense aren't voting for anyone once Trump is gone. They're going back into the woods, retreating further onto the internet, and receding farther into diabetes. These are not ex-Obama voters. These are voters who thought Obama was a Muslim terrorist, loved Sarah Palin but hated John McCain. They're voters who didn't vote in 2012. They are not a majority of the republican base either. Qanons are a fringe group of fanatics who might never vote again if Trump is removed from office.

There are far more disenfranchised/depressed/etc blue collar workers who believe Trump will save America than there are distinguished mentally-challenged fellows who believe Hillary Clinton is wearing an ankle monitor.

[Broseidon]

Dont know about you guys but I'm starting to think Nintex is an idiot and should not be listened to.

[Mandark]

I sort of envy Nintex's blithe, impenetrable confidence.

[Madrun Badrun]

What? The people who believe this nonsense aren't voting for anyone once Trump is gone. They're going back into the woods, retreating further onto the internet, and receding farther into diabetes. These are not ex-Obama voters. These are voters who thought Obama was a Muslim terrorist, loved Sarah Palin but hated John McCain. They're voters who didn't vote in 2012. They are not a majority of the republican base either. Qanons are a fringe group of fanatics who might never vote again if Trump is removed from office.

Sounds like the real americians from the pro-America areas of this great nation that Palin tried to warn us about.

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/samesfandiari/status/932323976268849152

  5D MAHJONG

[Kara]

Feinstein(?) had a Chinese spy working for her for roughly 20 years.
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/08/01/details-chinese-spy-dianne-feinstein-san-francisco/

Is there any politician in the US not compromised at this point 

Glad I voted for John Thompson Parker, an FBI agent committed to defending America's freedoms.

[Nintex]

I sort of envy Nintex's blithe, impenetrable confidence.

Good title for my upcoming self-help book.

Blithe, impenetrable confidence

How to confidently convince yourself

I don't trust a Dutch guy's take on the specifics of American culture.

Just because I've never set foot in the US and my analysis is based on Twitter sources, YouTube, 4chan and reddit dumpster diving and the dozen or so expats I met does not mean that they are scientifically invalid.

[Kara]

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/8/3/17644180/political-correctness-free-speech-liberal-data-georgetown

[Rufus]

Kinda wish Etiolate were here to make a slippery slope argument about the erosion of free speech in the US, as he's done before. Have a strange feeling this one wouldn't get it up for him, though.

[CatsCatsCats]

“One among many untested concepts,” he writes, “is whether the survey results would be different if conservative student groups, instead of repeatedly inviting campus visitors who have built a brand of disruption, were to sponsor serious intellectual dialogue with thinkers on the right.”

sickburn

[Optimus]

You losers didn't even mention the most important news:


Moscow appoints action star Steven Seagal special envoy on Russia-US humanitarian ties


This is without a doubt the funniest timeline.

[Nintex]

You losers didn't even mention the most important news:


Moscow appoints action star Steven Seagal special envoy on Russia-US humanitarian ties


This is without a doubt the funniest timeline.

Now Trump's new liason with his Russian handlers will be Steven Seagal. 

See, Putin has no plan beyond petty revenge on the Clintons. He wants Hillary to wake up and read this headline and pull her hair out in disgust. 

[benjipwns]

American hero Max Boot exposes another Putin agent hidden for decades in the academia:


 

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1026084333315153924

Meeting with the Russian Secret Services.

TOTALLY LEGAL AND DONE ALL THE TIME

 

[VomKriege]

MY WONDERFUL SON (don't snitch boi).

[kingv]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1026084333315153924

Meeting with the Russian Secret Services.

TOTALLY LEGAL AND DONE ALL THE TIME

 

https://www.lawfareblog.com/trumps-preposterous-collusion-not-crime-defense

What he’s admitting to in this tweet is actually quite illegal. I suspect once the totality of th illegal cooperation with the Russians comes out, it will also encompass conspiracy charges.

[agrajag]

Why does he keep incriminating himself?

Also, I thought the meeting was about adoptions, huh

[Joe Molotov]

Why does he keep incriminating himself?

Also, I thought the meeting was about adoptions, huh

He was trying to get the Russians to adopt Don Jr and take him off his hands.

[benjipwns]

"Eric, you really should go to that meeting with Don Jr."

[VomKriege]

"Eric, you really should go to that meeting with Don Jr."

"I'm sorry Ivanka, Jared is in Siberia now. Nothing I could do."

[kingv]

Should have said it was Barron’s idea

[benjipwns]

He was just trying to get rid of his sons and son-in-law and now he's stuck being President.

[Phoenix Dark]

"Actually the meeting was only about adoption policy"

"There was no collusion"

"Who would turn down the opportunity to get info on an opponent during an election? The point is to win!"

"There was no collusion, and collusion isn't a crime"

"I think my son might have accidentally broken the law"



That article seems to be printing bullshit straight from the horse's mouth (WH sources). In one paragraph it notes Trump believes collusion isn't a crime based on his lawyer's arguments, and in the very next paragraph he's concerned his son may have broken the law by meeting Russians? If collusion isn't a crime, Jr didn't break the law and has nothing to worry about.

Sounds more like, you know, Trump is guilty and is realizing more people will be indicted, including his son. He kind of throws him under the bus, too. But of course, Jr is so stupid he called a blocked number before/after the meeting so...I'm pretty sure he called his dad. Do these people think that Mueller can't just get phone records from the NSA? They probably want to talk to Trump under oath because they have the evidence that he lied, but want him to lie during the interview before springing the trap.

[Kara]

He was just trying to get rid of his sons and son-in-law and now he's stuck being President.

You jest but in 25 years people will be revising the history of his presidency to have him as some well meaning outsider shackled by an era of hyper partisan politics.

Though on our current trajectory in 25 years the 14 words will be an explicit plank in the Republican Party platform and the Democratic Party will be running on abolishing the Department of Education and replacing it with the Gates Foundation because they think that will sway white supremacist voters in the suburbs so maybe it won't be that outlandish a revision...

[toku]

https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1026049839484874752

[kingv]

When the President makes Ahmedinejad look like the the rational one.

 

[Nintex]

This guy must be a nightmare for his secret service detail 

https://twitter.com/PolishPatryot/status/1025871804865409024

[team filler]

  thinking that wasn't planned 

[Cerveza mas fina]

Fucking polacks

One of my dumb ass cousins in the states is a trump supporter

His parents are effing immigrants but he thinks they made it due to hard work when in reality his momma got her doctor degree for free kn Poland before they emigrated and he is coasting of that as her kid

Hes also against immigrants

Wish he could be deported back to Poland so he could take some Ls on life

[Kara]

The expat community here is full of ideological refuse, yeah.

Lots of nouveau riche STEM types who were educated in Polska Ludowa too.

[Kara]

This gives me a jumping off point for a story!

In junior high I had a picture of Stalin in my locker. My best friend at the time was Polish along with a school bully who was a grade above us. We all had to spend time together outside school because of our heritage but that didn't spare us bullying or anything (za naszą i waszą wolność, smh).

One day after school they both came by my house (which was kind of weird) but we played basketball together for awhile without any trouble. Eventually the bully brings up the picture, but instead of beating me up until I agreed to take it down he did some Ben Shapiro facts and logic routine instead.

[agrajag]

 

[Mandark]

In high school I shared a locker with Alan Keyes' son, who was friendly and quiet and never brought up politics. When I was clearing out the locker at the end of the year, he'd left a pamphlet about natural hair products.

That's all.

[kingv]

Yet another way that Ben shapiro is raising the level of intellectual discourse in American society.

[Kara]

In high school I shared a locker with Alan Keyes' son, who was friendly and quiet and never brought up politics. When I was clearing out the locker at the end of the year, he'd left a pamphlet about natural hair products.

That's all.

My story has the patina of being on #brand but it's actually not a story about living más (the picture wasn't there for the reason one would reasonably assume it was). I don't suspect the same thing applies for your story.

Also this was over 20+ years ago, long before Ben Shapiro was a twinkle in his dark money sugar daddy's eye.

[Himu]

So yeah. Last night I watched a video of Bernie giving this rant on the congress floor in the early 90’s. Watching it I was like,”how did I ever fall for this guy?”

But as I watched I learned why: the rhetoric. In the video he brings up very good points and criticisms towards our country and our predisposition towards greed. He mentions how America is the only industrial nation besides South Africa to not have national medical insurance system. He mentions great factoids about how some pharma companies and lobbyists buy off congressmen and women.

And it’s easy to fall for it until you realize he has nothing in the way of solutions.

He mentions that Canada has a “little” higher tax and just brushes it off.

Then goes on to say that people keep bringing economics into this instead of healthcare when he just mentioned tax raises which inherently makes it economic as much as its relation to healthcare.

So even if you agree that there’s a problem, he has nothing to offer to fix besides taxing. Meanwhile the reports say Medicare for all would cost 32 trillion.

It’s an ideology steeped on short term or “easy” (just raise taxes!!!) solutions to complicated problems. It’s not an ideology about solutions. It’s about feelings. You can go down the rabbit hole and throw this at almost any cause the far left champions and find short term solutions to almost every single case.

Watching the video made me so proud to vote for Hillary in 2016. Even more, it made me wish I had campaigned for her and voted for her in the primary.

[benjipwns]

Meanwhile the reports say Medicare for all would cost 32 trillion.

FACT CHECK: That was from a Two Of The Koch Brothers affiliated outfit, Bernie's staff has not done an official cost study yet so you cannot criticize their plans costs.

[Mandark]

So even if you agree that there’s a problem, he has nothing to offer to fix besides taxing. Meanwhile the reports say Medicare for all would cost 32 trillion.

That same report says it would also save 2 trillion over that period.

Did you leave this out, or were you not aware because the outlet you got this from left it out?

[Himu]

So even if you agree that there’s a problem, he has nothing to offer to fix besides taxing. Meanwhile the reports say Medicare for all would cost 32 trillion.

That same report says it would also save 2 trillion over that period.

Did you leave this out, or were you not aware because the outlet you got this from left it out?

The second one probably

[Himu]

I’ll look into it.

[Nintex]

So yeah. Last night I watched a video of Bernie giving this rant on the congress floor in the early 90’s. Watching it I was like,”how did I ever fall for this guy?”

But as I watched I learned why: the rhetoric. In the video he brings up very good points and criticisms towards our country and our predisposition towards greed. He mentions how America is the only industrial nation besides South Africa to not have national medical insurance system. He mentions great factoids about how some pharma companies and lobbyists buy off congressmen and women.

And it’s easy to fall for it until you realize he has nothing in the way of solutions.

He mentions that Canada has a “little” higher tax and just brushes it off.

Then goes on to say that people keep bringing economics into this instead of healthcare when he just mentioned tax raises which inherently makes it economic as much as its relation to healthcare.

So even if you agree that there’s a problem, he has nothing to offer to fix besides taxing. Meanwhile the reports say Medicare for all would cost 32 trillion.

It’s an ideology steeped on short term or “easy” (just raise taxes!!!) solutions to complicated problems. It’s not an ideology about solutions. It’s about feelings. You can go down the rabbit hole and throw this at almost any cause the far left champions and find short term solutions to almost every single case.

Watching the video made me so proud to vote for Hillary in 2016. Even more, it made me wish I had campaigned for her and voted for her in the primary.

Yes, Bernie Sanders is a con artist.

There is only one real hero who fixed the economy, defeated ISIS and made America Great Again.

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[Nola]

So even if you agree that there’s a problem, he has nothing to offer to fix besides taxing. Meanwhile the reports say Medicare for all would cost 32 trillion.

That same report says it would also save 2 trillion over that period.

Did you leave this out, or were you not aware because the outlet you got this from left it out?

Yep.

And the 32 trillion is in large part because you are deeply disrupting a system that comprises 18% of GDP. Costs are incredibly front loaded and the legislation being forecast is incredibly light on cost controls that any finalized single-payer bill will almost certainly beef up.

The fact that over ten years it STILL comes in cheaper than our current system is an incredible indictment of just how fucked up and broken our current system is. That you could basically give people the most expansive coverage in the world and still come in cheaper relative to the alternative scenario according to a libertarian institution is pretty crazy.

[Mandark]

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mercatus.org%2Fsystem%2Ffiles%2Fblahous-costs-medicare-mercatus-working-paper-v1_1.pdf

Table 2, "Change in healthcare spending" and "Administrative cost savings."

Basically Mercatus, a pro-market think tank, did a cost-projection study on M4A which showed it would save money (oopsie!), then notified the press by blasting out a summary which talks about the "unprecedented strain on the federal budget" while leaving out that finding, burying it in the charts and assuming reporters would be too lazy to dig it up themselves.

Whatever you think of the projections (maybe they're wrong! this kind of thing is hard to do), their motive is pretty clear.

[Nola]

Cindi, like gun control, I would advice not drawing conclusions by reacting to the most left leaning advocates on an issue. Given the political constraints of our system and what the history of governance in this country tells us. Even The New Deal was whittled down and compromised and I don't think we are anywhere close to the sort of wave that could provide modern far left policy anywhere close to that opportunity.


In all likelihood the next major healthcare legislation will end up somewhere between what we have now(just adding more subsidies, re-strengthning the cost sharing subsidies, reimplementing and actually funding temporary risk corridors, and maybe a Medicaid/Medicare buy in with some sort of far too weak prescription drug negotiation mechanism) and recent moderate Democratic proposals that have adjusted toward the left of the party(thankfully) like this . In a perfect storm maybe you get a more deeply modified single payer bill. Bernie's current proposal has zero chance of ever becoming law.

[Phoenix Dark]

I think this is where I point out for the hundredth time how Obamacare is a clear trojan horse for Medicare for all, and the next step in the process will be 1) raising the income ceiling requirement for Medicaid 2) increase doctor/hospital reimbursements 3) change the name from Medicaid to something else.

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[Mandark]

Woulda had Medicare buy-in already if Ned Lamont had beaten Joe Lieberman.

*kicks dirt, grumbles*

[kingv]

In high school I shared a locker with Alan Keyes' son, who was friendly and quiet and never brought up politics. When I was clearing out the locker at the end of the year, he'd left a pamphlet about natural hair products.

That's all.

For a few minutes I thought Allen Keyes was actually the same person as  (LT Col) Allen West...

Sadly, the Allen West version is much more exciting.

[kingv]

I think this is where I point out for the hundredth time how Obamacare is a clear trojan horse for Medicare for all, and the next step in the process will be 1) raising the income ceiling requirement for Medicaid 2) increase doctor/hospital reimbursements 3) change the name from Medicaid to something else.

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I think this is probably sort of true, as originally written, but the Supreme Court sort of cycle dit up and I’m no longer sure that I believe that will actually come to pass.

I also don’t think most of the Democratic caucus actually viewed it  as a Trojan horse... it just kind of ended up that way because it wa obvious that it wouldn’t really constrain costs all that much (other than just slowing the rate of growth).

[VomKriege]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1026228024403021824

[Nintex]

What the fuck is he even saying.
Even when you rearrange the sentence:
"Must also clear trees to stop fire from spreading"

it still makes no fucking sense. 

Also, water diverted to the ocean. Isn't that just the endpoint of the rivers? 

[VomKriege]

What the fuck is he even saying.
Even when you rearrange the sentence:
"Must also clear trees to stop fire from spreading"

it still makes no fucking sense. 

Also, water diverted to the ocean. Isn't that just the endpoint of the rivers? 

I think what he is saying is that he'll cripple the EPA.

[agrajag]

What the fuck is he even saying.
Even when you rearrange the sentence:
"Must also clear trees to stop fire from spreading"

it still makes no fucking sense. 

Also, water diverted to the ocean. Isn't that just the endpoint of the rivers? 

There can't be any forest fires in there ain't no trees, homie

 

[Nintex]

What the fuck is he even saying.
Even when you rearrange the sentence:
"Must also clear trees to stop fire from spreading"

it still makes no fucking sense. 

Also, water diverted to the ocean. Isn't that just the endpoint of the rivers? 

I think what he is saying is that he'll cripple the EPA.

I'm thinking an EO to give the water the freedom and liberty it deserves.



"2021 - President Donald J. Trump administers water supply in California"

[benjipwns]

What the fuck is he even saying.
Even when you rearrange the sentence:
"Must also clear trees to stop fire from spreading"

it still makes no fucking sense. 

No, that makes sense. Downed deadwood in forests assists fires in spreading faster than if it's cleared out and there's only healthy trees. Some forests have this management done regularly, others have it done never because of regulations to "protect" them. That was the case in Yellowstone once. I assume he would be claiming that's the case in California now.

It's a centuries old conservationism vs. environmentalism debate.

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1026228024403021824

Kara, explain why you're pouring all your water into the ocean.

[Kara]

Because I can.

[Joe Molotov]