US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Phoenix Dark]

I'd argue Hillary Clinton convinced republicans to "come home" far more than Mike Pence did...

In terms of McCain yes, it mattered. But I wouldn't consider that a normal circumstance since he selected arguably the worst VP in modern history.

[Nintex]

A new line of defense
https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1074371257456566277

"We 'may' have collluded but that is not a crime and honestly that was over before the election"

 

https://twitter.com/AynRandPaulRyan/status/1074329446318915584

[agrajag]

uh, guys, McCain's numbers were in the gutter before he announced Palin as VP. She helped make him competitive for a while.

[Phoenix Dark]

uh, guys, McCain's numbers were in the gutter before he announced Palin as VP. She helped make him competitive for a while.

Every candidate gets a slight bump when they announce their VP. McCain tanked shortly thereafter (when the economy tanked).

[Mandark]

He picked her a couple days before the convention, got the convention bounce in the polls that every nominee gets, then it went away like it always does.

[Joe Molotov]

If only she had been selected after she had a reality TV show and became a relentless grifter, then she would have been a slam dunk pick for the modern GOP.

[Tripon]

Sarah Palin was a young charismatic Republican which McCain wasn't at the time. He couldn't pick an old white guy, and somebody like Susan Collins, who was moderate and to his left wouldn't excite his base of also older whiter voters.

Putting Palin on the ticket still didn't make sense since there was no way in hell Republicans was going to lose Alaska and they clearly didn't vet her enough because if they did even a cursory glance, they'd realize there's no way would have survived a debate against Biden or anybody else. She also didn't care about public service since she took the easy route, resigned in office (and in her first term!) from being Governor and decided she rather be a millionaire by being a reality TV star.

Still one of those baffling choices that at best didn't help a campaign. And yes, Hillary picking Tim Kaine also falls into that because demographics already predicted that Virginia was going to turn blue.

[agrajag]

Hillary picked anyone but Sanders out of sheer pettiness.

[Nola]

I'm not a Beto fan and also am wary to nominate a loser but clearly people like him. A lot. If he was from just about any other non southern state he'd be a senator-elect right now.

Being a senator or governor isn't required to be president but I feel like state wide election experience vets a candidate more. This dude has a DUI in his past but what else is there? He's a good looking dude...does he have a mistress, or is he a faithful black man like Obama? I'd hate for this dude to sweep through the early states only to be hit with some bombshell accusation. I remember John Edwards, after all.

I go back to the very simple thought experiment, if Beto is a loser, who is actually a winner? Or who would of been?

Who realistically could of won that race? Biden? Probably the only realistic, possible, answer. And even then that's a big maybe. Definitely not doing it with the semi-progressive platform Beto did it on(which is what is impressive to me about Beto's run). None of the other potential frontrunners we hear about would of came close though. So it remains kind of empty to hold it against him. I still contend it's an impressive accomplishment and borderline absurd to frame it as anything else. Not that you did either.

Experience, sure, I get that to an extent, there is a real Obama esque trajectory and that naivety was certainly a governing hindrance at times for him. As to the DUI, yeah, it would probably be a lot worse in a pre-Trump political environment though.

[Phoenix Dark]

No, it doesn't fall into the same category. Palin unquestionably hurt McCain's campaign. He campaigned on experience and judgement, and yet the very first major campaign decision he made was a disaster. Not to mention being an elderly man with an unqualified person as his VP.

Kaine didn't hurt Hillary. If you want to argue he didn't help, fine whatever.

[Maiden Voyage]

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-stephen-miller-hair-20181216-story.html

[Phoenix Dark]

Hillary picked anyone but Sanders out of sheer pettiness.

Yea. It couldn't have possibly been that he offered nothing to the ticket, or that he ran a toxic campaign well after the point of being virtually eliminated out of pure spite, or that he took various pot shots at the party+her candidacy. Nah, it was pure pettiness.

Same reason Obama didn't select Hillary as his VP, I assume right?

[agrajag]

Yeah, he didn't add anything to the ticket except a shit ton of Bernie or busters who ended up voting for Trump.

[TakingBackSunday]

I'd really like to see the actual numbers on whether having Bernie as the VP would have really swayed those assholes to not vote for Trump.

[Brehvolution]

“I can produce an enormous number of witnesses who say the president was very concerned about how this would affect his children, his marriage, not just this one but similar, all those women came forward at that point in time, that tape with Billy Bush, and all of that. It was all part of the same thing,” offered Giuliani in a pretty character-damning defense. “I know what he was concerned about. And I can produce 20 witnesses to tell you what he was concerned about.”

 

[agrajag]

I'd really like to see the actual numbers on whether having Bernie as the VP would have really swayed those assholes to not vote for Trump.

Whether they were assholes or not is irrelevant. By now everyone can and should admit, even Jack, that Hilldawg was a deeply flawed candidate that polarized, if not outright turned off the average voter, and had lukewarm support among her base. Bernie wasn't anywhere near as polarizing, is likeable and had a very enthusiastic base that supported him. He would've rounded out the ticket and brought a different demo along, Tim Kaine added absolutely zilch.

[Tripon]

I mean, if Hillary Clinton simply had a no Bernie as VP pick, that would be one thing. But she didn't even seem to consider him for a cabinet job, like Obama did by making Clinton Sec. of State during his first term. And if anything, Bernie Sanders campaigned for Hillary way harder than Hillary did for Obama in 08. She had to convince Bernie Sanders supporters that their relationship was mended, she didn't and that produced hard feelings on would be supporters who didn't 'come home'.

She didn't do those steps because she thought she had the election on hand anyway. It helped bite her in the ass.

[Mandark]

oh cool bernie/hillary discourse in december 2018

[Tripon]

oh cool bernie/hillary discourse in december 2018

Okay, fine. Let's change the topic back to Flynn. 

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1074689995934523393

[agrajag]

oh cool bernie/hillary discourse in december 2018

nice tone policing bruh

[Tripon]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mark-penn-trumps-democratic-defender-previously-worked-for-trump?ref=home

The work done by the firm Penn & Schoen Associates didn’t help get Trump’s project built. But it did provide the first known link between Trump and one of the firm’s namesakes, Mark Penn, who has emerged in the last year as one of the president’s most outspoken defenders.

Penn’s columns in The Hill routinely attack the president’s political and legal adversaries. In his most recent column, published last Monday, Penn went after federal prosecutors in New York and Washington who have targeted the president and his associates.

But neither that column nor any other he’s written has revealed Penn’s past business ties to Trump. Nor has that biographical detail been mentioned in the frequent TV appearances he’s made on Fox News, in which he often attacks the president’s critics. The Hill did not return a request for comment and Fox News declined to comment.

Instead, it is Penn’s time working on behalf of President Bill Clinton during the Ken Starr investigations that is offered as proof that he brings not only an unbiased take on the current political debates, but the experience of someone who worked on the other side of the ledger.

The disclosure on his columns in The Hill, where he has published numerous pieces going after Special Counsel Robert Mueller, notes that “He served as pollster and adviser to President Clinton from 1995 to 2000, including during Clinton’s impeachment.” A Politico Magazine profile noted that Penn was “a member of a small club of Democrats in Washington shaped by Whitewater and the independent counsel investigation it spawned.” A June 2018 Wall Street Journal column that focused on Penn’s outspoken criticism of the federal investigation into Russian election meddling, was headlined, “A Democrat Dissents on the Mueller Probe.” In an Aug. 24 Fox Business interview, host Maria Bartiromo called Penn a “straight shooter” who “used to work for the Clintons.”

[hampster]

https://twitter.com/dylanmatt/status/1074704237710450688

Is being a good boss so hard

[agrajag]

Lindsey Graham diddling underage interns? 

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1074732519596134405

 

[agrajag]

christ, just STFU Hillary, you're not helping.

[Nintex]

A Fox & Friends segment on Monday suggested that each Trump voter should give $80 to fund the president’s border wall even though he has promised Mexico would pay for it.

Just hours before President Donald Trump is set to shut down the government if he does not get border wall funding, New York Post columnist Michael Goodwin told Fox News that it was time for the president’s supporters to chip in.

 

[agrajag]

let the suckers waste their money imo. Although if they all pitched 80 bucks to a worthwhile cause it could do a lot of good.

[Nintex]

Would be lit if those suckers started donating money for the wall and Rudy, Miller, Gorka et all would show up with new baller cars.

[agrajag]

Would be lit if those suckers started donating money for the wall and Rudy, Miller, Gorka et all would show up with new baller cars.

they'd more likely funnel the money to Trump's legal defense piggy bank.

[Mandark]

Trump's signature policy is an over-promised real estate development project that collapsed because he was lying about foreign funding. That's astoundingly on brand.

[curly]

Yeah, he didn't add anything to the ticket except a shit ton of Bernie or busters who ended up voting for Trump.

FACT CHECK: The percentage of Hillary primary voters who went for McCain in the general in 2008 was higher than the percentage of Berniebro Bernouts who went for Trump.

[agrajag]

Yeah, he didn't add anything to the ticket except a shit ton of Bernie or busters who ended up voting for Trump.

FACT CHECK: The percentage of Hillary primary voters who went for McCain in the general in 2008 was higher than the percentage of Berniebro Bernouts who went for Trump.

That just makes Hillary fans shittier than Bernie bros, but does nothing to refute the fact that a lot of Bernie bros did change sides.

[agrajag]

Got the numbers on that?

[CatsCatsCats]

Hillary Stans irl

https://m.

[agrajag]

that's ok Shosta, I am also just bullshitting.

[kingv]

Honestly, Hillary Stans are the worst Stans in the Democratic Party.

They were awful in 2008, 2016, and remain awful today.

Proof:
Amy Siskind supporting Sarah Palin in 2012
There are too many white female Hillary Stans over 40 that have turned into Rachel Dolezal:
https://twitter.com/bourgeoisalien/status/1072844616523833344
https://twitter.com/baddie_influenc/status/1072891950431387648
https://twitter.com/whothewu/status/1072802855634067457
Bonus Having a Spanish nickname now actually makes you Latino.
https://twitter.com/queeninyeiiow/status/1072828952387952641

[Mandark]

excessively online Bernie and Hillary stans are terrible and in retrospect both Sanders and Clinton look like really weak candidates

[Nintex]

I can see it now.

The Democrats are again entering a heavily contested primary. Purity tests on all sides. #metoo scandals for primary candidates. Fierce debates, questions about the future of the country.

Meanwhile the Trump dumpster fire blazes through Election Night. With Bolton, Trump, MBS, Putin and Netanyahu pulling Iran-war theatrics that the media can't ignore.
Winning with the narrowest of margins possible with the help of new Saudi King MBS and his endless pockets in exchange for securing the Aramco deal and Iranian oil.

Dems need to start following the money. Kushner and the Saudi prince don't meet for no reason and Kushner didn't help the prince with a palace coup for nothing.
They don't need to worry about the deals Trump could make when he was still a longshot candidate (Russian sanctions, extraditing Gulen).
They need to worry about the deals and bets he can make while he's President.


Anyhow
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1074769285657059328

Although most of the media picked this up as: "Comey unloads on Fox News!" lmao

[agrajag]

Beto looks like he could be a host on that boring centrist podcast

[I'm a Puppy!]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/17/worst-start-to-december-for-the-stock-market-since-great-depression.html

If the economy tanks (which everyone whose opinion I value on the matter is bracing for) Trump is dead. His base is like "Yeah, the country is divided, we can't get anything done and things are a bit of a mess, but the economy is doing great!" Trump made his whole value prop the economy. If it turns, he's going to have a serious problem.

[CatsCatsCats]

Trump supporter: he’s a genius, he’s tanking it so we can buy in low

[Joe Molotov]

Beto looks like he could be a host on that boring centrist podcast

Chapo Trap House?

[Nintex]

Trump literally said during a meeting about that prospect:

During a 2017 briefing with senior officials, Trump responded to a presentation of charts and graphics by saying, “Yeah, but I won’t be here,” according to a source The Daily Beast said witnessed the comment

Unless something accelerates the crash he won't be in office when it goes poof.

It won't crash like 2008. When it does... the world is basically fucked entirely. There's nothing left to 'cut' and economies that were weak in 2008 (Greece, Venezuela, Ukraine, Egypt etc.) are even weaker today.
The market was a bit over valued and seemed to have corrected itself. There doesn't seem to be a system wide failure imminent just yet.

[I'm a Puppy!]

I dunno. Hope you're right. But like I said in the other thread. Everyone seems to be bracing for a tough Q1. Might be a self-fulfilling prophecy. But it just feels like there's a monster right around the corner.

[CatsCatsCats]

I'd really like to see the actual numbers on whether having Bernie as the VP would have really swayed those assholes to not vote for Trump.

Whether they were assholes or not is irrelevant. By now everyone can and should admit, even Jack, that Hilldawg was a deeply flawed candidate that polarized, if not outright turned off the average voter, and had lukewarm support among her base. Bernie wasn't anywhere near as polarizing, is likeable and had a very enthusiastic base that supported him. He would've rounded out the ticket and brought a different demo along, Tim Kaine added absolutely zilch.

Shut the fuck up, you absolutely worthless piece of shit.

Bridging the divide

[Nintex]

I dunno. Hope you're right. But like I said in the other thread. Everyone seems to be bracing for a tough Q1. Might be a self-fulfilling prophecy. But it just feels like there's a monster right around the corner.

Can you imagine what would happen in France if the government suddenly announced bank bailouts and budget cuts.
They'd bring out the guillotine lol.

I think governments will more actively pursue corruption, tax evasion and money laundering in an effort to protect themselves from angry populations.
There's billions stacked away in tax havens that could easily solve many problems. Otherwise there's always the John McCafee crypto cult.

[agrajag]

my piss is worth more than your soul Jack

[TakingBackSunday]

now now children

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1074797494448676864

[benjipwns]

in retrospect both Sanders and Clinton look like really weak candidates

woah woah woah, how is the most qualified human being in all ways to ever walk the Earth a weak candidate? it's not her fault that despite her exposing Pepe and memes that people didn't Pokemon Go to the polls

typical Moderate Darling™ centrism

spoiler (click to show/hide)

plus Bernie was a creation of GamerGate

[close]

[benjipwns]

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/12/14/koch-brothers-chase-charles-next-generation-223099

Chase Koch, the 41-year-old son of billionaire businessman Charles Koch

[Nintex]

In 2 weeks a green text will appear describing how 4chan used a Russian VPN to troll the normies 

[team filler]

[benjipwns]

Slavoj is weirdly looking healthier and well kept as Jordan Peterson slowly degrades before our eyes, arguing with that Zizek Quote Bot on Twitter must have started some kind of Dorian Gray situation

[Crash Dummy]

Slavoj is weirdly looking healthier and well kept as Jordan Peterson slowly degrades before our eyes, arguing with that Zizek Quote Bot on Twitter must have started some kind of Dorian Gray situation

wank daddy just tweeted an open invite to debate zizek, which i would love to see. "everytime you say postmodern marxist i become, you know, goebbels and pull out my machine gun and so on and so on"

[benjipwns]

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/alexislevinson/tulsi-gabbard-2020-president-democrat-primary

Now, nearly three years later, the Democratic member of Congress from Hawaii is poised to try to convince Democratic primary voters that they should turn the page not just on status quo politics, but on the Vermont senator whom she championed.

Gabbard has acknowledged that she is “seriously considering” a presidential bid. Her team is actively seeking to staff senior roles on a potential presidential campaign, according to a person briefed on the outreach, and has indicated that an announcement could come as soon as this week.

She’s in discussions with the Des Moines–based Asian and Latino Coalition about organizing an event with them sometime in the first two weeks of January. She did several events in New Hampshire earlier this month, on the heels of trips there before the 2018 election. She also made a trip to Nevada the week before the election to connect with “progressive” candidates and causes, and was set to hit early state bingo with a trip to South Carolina, but that trip was scotched due to plane trouble.

“I call her Bernie 2.0,” said Alan Myron, the administrator for Centrists for Tulsi Gabbard, a candidate who shares his values without some of the baggage and bad feelings that come from having run in a fraught presidential primary.

“He’s an old white dude. Well, Tulsi isn’t. He skipped military service. Well, Tulsi is a veteran,” he said.

WE'RE SAVED

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1074993036831191045

Exciting days ahead

[benjipwns]

capitalizing "collusion" is clearly a signal

 

[Trent Dole]

[agrajag]

capitalizing "collusion" is clearly a signal

 

Yea a signal that the Clintons, Podesta, Comey and Mueller are going to prison any day now!