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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Plea Deal December
« Reply #27120 on: December 18, 2018, 10:17:28 AM »
Manafort and Cohen aside since one is already going to jail and the other was always going to jail, it'd be funny if the only other person who winds up in jail is Comey.

After a year where he was the GOP hero and Dem demon for going after Hillary, then it flipped and for a while he was Dem hero and GOP villain, and now he's this bipartisan hero above any kind of reproach except for the Lou Dobbs wing.

Something like it turns out that everything both sides said about him manipulating the FBI process and warrants and everything else was absolutely true, as part of some messianic plan to run in 2020 against whichever of Hillary/Trump was elected after he did all kinds of crap and would have started a Russian investigation with either all because he realized he was the only man who could save the country from itself.

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« Reply #27121 on: December 18, 2018, 10:34:08 AM »
Votes have been counted in Arizona finally and Martha McSally wins!

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Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey will appoint GOP Rep. Martha McSally to the Senate seat being vacated by GOP Sen. Jon Kyl, Ducey announced Tuesday. Kyl was tapped earlier this year to fill the seat of the late Sen. John McCain.

"With her experience and long record of service, Martha is uniquely qualified to step up and fight for Arizona's interests in the U.S. Senate," Ducey said in a statement.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Plea Deal December
« Reply #27123 on: December 18, 2018, 12:43:35 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/evanperez/status/1075072825264885760

:dead

WH and right wingers expected Flynn to be vindicated today. Classic example of what happens when you live in a fantasy world and then get woken up.
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« Reply #27124 on: December 18, 2018, 01:09:18 PM »
Yeah. Several theories that would've been exculpatory to Flynn got blown up today.

Kind of interesting to see Trump stick with Flynn while throwing Cohen under the bus, and basically the whole American right wing looking for and following his cues.

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« Reply #27125 on: December 18, 2018, 01:25:19 PM »
Guys dont forget to always vote Democrat



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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Plea Deal December
« Reply #27126 on: December 18, 2018, 01:29:02 PM »
james, you stanning for the idc now? tsk tsk

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« Reply #27127 on: December 18, 2018, 01:31:20 PM »
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« Reply #27128 on: December 18, 2018, 01:31:21 PM »
New Yorkers should be banned from all levels of politics.

Fuck Cuomo
Fuck Schumer
Fucker ever local asswipe
Fuck Trump
Fuck Hillary
Fuck Bernie

99% of our problems would be solved if we only let California run things
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« Reply #27129 on: December 18, 2018, 01:33:11 PM »
Reagan
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« Reply #27130 on: December 18, 2018, 01:34:23 PM »
Nixon was a resident of New York when he was successfully elected President :bolo

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« Reply #27131 on: December 18, 2018, 01:37:24 PM »
Ronald Wilson Reagan
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Tampico, Illinois, U.S.


LOL it goes without saying that Chicago politics are not good either.

Before someone else comes in with some snarky bullshit, it also goes without saying that we do not need politicians from Mississippi, North Carolina, or any other shitstain state
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Plea Deal December
« Reply #27132 on: December 18, 2018, 01:40:36 PM »
How are Trump and right wingers reacting to Flynn’s sentence being delayed?
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« Reply #27133 on: December 18, 2018, 01:43:49 PM »
Jerry Brown should be in charge of every level of government.

If we had Jerry Brown clones we would have our cities powered by nuclear fission, our vehicles moving on Hydrogen, and our vacations at a resort on Mars.
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Plea Deal December
« Reply #27134 on: December 18, 2018, 01:51:56 PM »
How are Trump and right wingers reacting to Flynn’s sentence being delayed?
probably some nonsense about how he's actually going to give evidence against hillary or some other bullshit

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« Reply #27136 on: December 18, 2018, 02:10:52 PM »
https://theintercept.com/2018/12/17/israel-texas-anti-bds-law/

Another Schumer special.


But seriously, if anyone can name a single politician from NY that isn't a piece of shit, I'd love to hear it.

And before you say Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, she hasn't even started her job yet
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« Reply #27137 on: December 18, 2018, 02:13:59 PM »
the "rent is too damn high" guy

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« Reply #27138 on: December 18, 2018, 02:15:11 PM »
Democrats learning from Trump. Maybe this language is just a NY thing?




"fake news"

"forces of evil"


Resign bitch
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Plea Deal December
« Reply #27139 on: December 18, 2018, 02:42:40 PM »
Yeah. Several theories that would've been exculpatory to Flynn got blown up today.

Kind of interesting to see Trump stick with Flynn while throwing Cohen under the bus, and basically the whole American right wing looking for and following his cues.

I feel like Flynn thought he was going to get his little plea deal done and then embark on some right wing talking head career for Trump as soon as his legal troubles were behind him.

Guess not.

I’m worried about the anti-bds thing. I have big dick syndrome, myself.

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« Reply #27140 on: December 18, 2018, 03:23:42 PM »


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« Reply #27142 on: December 18, 2018, 04:04:33 PM »
How are Trump and right wingers reacting to Flynn’s sentence being delayed?

According to a recent Q drop, Trump is about to dismantle the Fed and take us back to the Gold Standard, so he’s probably too busy to follow the Flynn case.
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Plea Deal December
« Reply #27143 on: December 18, 2018, 05:57:47 PM »
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« Reply #27144 on: December 18, 2018, 06:10:17 PM »
Trump issued Order 66 on Leakin' Comey and the fake news media.

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« Reply #27145 on: December 18, 2018, 06:28:45 PM »
I like how everyone was shocked at the judge saying 'treason' and that he walked it back.
"What treason? I only midlly interacted with the Russians and Turks as a completely compromised national security advisor, what is this treason?"

Also note how all the Trump cronies have henchmen of their own. First Manafort and now Flynn has a bunch of associates.

It was smart of Flynn to say that he would accept sentencing for his actions though. Certainly helps him more than screaming Fake News and calling it a Witch Hunt.
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Plea Deal December
« Reply #27146 on: December 18, 2018, 07:44:10 PM »
How are Trump and right wingers reacting to Flynn’s sentence being delayed?

https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/1075135428653654016

Basically the judge was trying to give him an out, or the judge was terribly biased against him.

Saw someone explain that Flynn's continued to hint at the various rightwing conspiracy theories because he's taking donations for his (very expensive) legal defense, so he's had to maintain his status as a martyr for that crowd while also trying to cooperate enough to avoid jail time.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Plea Deal December
« Reply #27147 on: December 18, 2018, 08:23:45 PM »
Guys guys. What if the storm happens, but it’s so underground nobody knows?

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« Reply #27148 on: December 18, 2018, 08:50:11 PM »
Guys guys. What if the storm happens, but it’s so underground nobody knows?

this is already the Q canon
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Plea Deal December
« Reply #27150 on: December 18, 2018, 09:49:18 PM »
New Yorkers should be banned from all levels of politics.

Fuck Cuomo
Fuck Schumer
Fucker ever local asswipe
Fuck Trump
Fuck Hillary
Fuck Bernie

99% of our problems would be solved if we only let California run things

As a Californian whose representative is best known for vaping during a congressional hearing, running an openly racist campaign in 2018, being comically corrupt, and (worst of all) being a gamer, I disagree.

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« Reply #27151 on: December 18, 2018, 10:39:12 PM »
New Yorkers should be banned from all levels of politics.

Fuck Cuomo
Fuck Schumer
Fucker ever local asswipe
Fuck Trump
Fuck Hillary
Fuck Bernie

99% of our problems would be solved if we only let California run things

As a Californian whose representative is best known for vaping during a congressional hearing, running an openly racist campaign in 2018, being comically corrupt, and (worst of all) being a gamer, I disagree.

Congrats, you are the 1%
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« Reply #27152 on: December 18, 2018, 11:06:19 PM »
As a native Californian born in SF (unlike all those other residents from out of town), I am all for this west coast jingoism.

:rejoice

As a non-native Californian that helped gentrify you out of here, I am also all for this west coast jingoism.
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« Reply #27153 on: December 18, 2018, 11:10:11 PM »
Era's now entered the era of Beto hatred and its marvelous
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« Reply #27155 on: December 18, 2018, 11:23:46 PM »
I feel like benji will appreciate this:

https://twitter.com/sapinker/status/1074932509014667264
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Plea Deal December
« Reply #27156 on: December 18, 2018, 11:54:05 PM »
New Yorkers should be banned from all levels of politics.

Fuck Cuomo
Fuck Schumer
Fucker ever local asswipe
Fuck Trump
Fuck Hillary
Fuck Bernie

99% of our problems would be solved if we only let California run things

As a Californian whose representative is best known for vaping during a congressional hearing, running an openly racist campaign in 2018, being comically corrupt, and (worst of all) being a gamer, I disagree.

Congrats, you are the 1%

My previous rep went to prison for corruption. Oh and our former mayor was basically a demonic sexual harasser. San Diego politicians are surprisingly terrible.

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« Reply #27157 on: December 19, 2018, 01:24:57 AM »
I feel like benji will appreciate this:

https://twitter.com/sapinker/status/1074932509014667264
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The center is failing to hold, and the passionate intensity of our worst impulses is filling the vacuum.

No matter how alarming the abuses and incompetence of the present administration might be, we face the prospect of much worse. Without bold and effective leadership, the nation’s real and serious problems — which are the ultimate cause of our deranged politics — will only fester and worsen. Which, in turn, will only increase the political openings for future anti-democratic demagogues — who, unlike Trump, may possess the self-discipline and focus to translate their dark designs into explicitly authoritarian usurpations. It is no exaggeration to say that the future vitality and integrity of American republican selfgovernment now hang in the balance.

There is only one sure way to quiet our populist distempers and restore faith in democratic institutions, and that is for those democratic institutions to deliver effective governance.
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We can make real headway toward a better society by spotting and rectifying the most obvious and egregious injustices. We don’t need to know what awaits on the mountain’s summit as long as we can tell the difference between “down” and “up.”
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While we are opposed to the kinds of sweeping substantive constraints on democratic government that some on the right favor, we vigorously support what we call deliberative constraints. Those are rules that correct for democratic pathologies, but without taking away from the people the right to rule themselves.
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Because our policy vision so thoroughly scrambles the prevailing ideological categories of left and right, our worldview is hard to pin down with a handy, reductive label. Perhaps one will emerge over time, but for now we’re happy for our combination of idealism about the ends of government, realism about the limits and downsides of government, and pragmatism about how to advance our ideals in a pluralistic society to be intriguingly unclassifiable.

That said, we don’t want there to be any mystery or confusion about the foundational ideals that inspire and inform our policy work. At the Niskanen Center, we are dedicated and unflinching partisans of what Karl Popper called the “open society”: We believe in the equal moral dignity of every individual, the power of reason to guide human affairs, and the promise of peaceful cooperation and exchange among free and autonomous people.
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Here in the United States, the illiberal outrages and abuses perpetrated by Donald Trump and his enablers include blatant corruption, racial and religious bigotry and divisiveness, incessant and shameless lying, and repeated attacks on the free press and independent law enforcement.

In the face of this dark menace, the Niskanen Center decided to expand its focus beyond policy analysis and reform. In November 2016, we started the Open Society Project to defend the philosophical and political foundations on which our system of government and social order stand. We have recruited scholars and intellectuals to restate the principles of the open society in terms relevant to contemporary challenges. We have joined and led efforts to defend the norms and institutions of liberal democracy against the corrosive onslaught of the Trump administration and its lackeys in Congress. And we have worked with other small-r republicans and small-d democrats to lay the groundwork for reviving a decent, constructive center-right.
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Finally, moderation goes together with a strong commitment to democracy. If we believe in a system of laws created in concert with our fellow citizens, we need to recognize our obligation to understand those fellow citizens and treat them as partners in a collective enterprise even when we disagree. We have an obligation to try to justify our beliefs in terms they can recognize. That is hard, in part because the imperatives of social mobilization — revving up our troops — and persuading the other side draw on very different temperaments and tools. But democracy, of necessity, requires both modes. We need to generate enthusiasm and engagement, or else ordinary citizens will not participate in their own governance. But we need to be capable of persuasion, or we cease to see ourselves as a people engaged in a common enterprise, and politics simply becomes a kind of cold civil war. Learning to do both simultaneously is one of the moderate democratic arts.

This is not an easy task. It means, among other things, that we regularly have to accommodate our understanding of justice to the habits and ways of life of fellow citizens that we might find at best uncomfortable, and at worst repugnant. But for democracy to work in a pluralistic society, we must learn to be moderate even in our pursuit of what we think to be justice. That is why toleration — a virtue that is far from natural and is under significant strain today — is such an important habit to learn, and to teach one other.

Our distinctive vision represents an attempt to learn from and incorporate what is best in a variety of ideological traditions. With this approach, we hope to model the art of moderation. With hard work and a bit of good luck, we can help move our divided society toward the best version of itself, and away from the toxic tribalism of our current politics.

The Niskanen Center's Open Society Project is clearly just an elaborate and dangerous AI created by The Patriots to produce these kind of papers as part of some sinister plot.

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« Reply #27158 on: December 19, 2018, 01:56:21 AM »
Unity08, the think tank!

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Rejecting today’s ideological polarization over the size of government as a false dichotomy, our hybrid vision combines the best aspects of the “pro-market” right and the “pro-government” left

After the last three years, anyone saying this is the major faultline in American politics either hasn't paid attention or is lying (very probably to themselves).

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« Reply #27159 on: December 19, 2018, 02:41:15 AM »
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Because our policy vision so thoroughly scrambles the prevailing ideological categories of left and right, our worldview is hard to pin down with a handy, reductive label. Perhaps one will emerge over time....
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our hybrid vision combines the best aspects of the “pro-market” right and the “pro-government” left
congrats on inventing neoliberalism guys
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« Reply #27160 on: December 19, 2018, 03:46:04 AM »
I think you're all missing that this is a completely new and never before seen rational and reasoned policy vision. It's not hard to understand why you guys are heavily confused when they have so thoroughly scrambled the very language and nature of politics itself.

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« Reply #27161 on: December 19, 2018, 04:31:53 AM »
Wil Wilkinson almost seven years ago:
I’m not interested in identifying which among the many kinds of bleeding-heart libertarian I am because I’m not interested in identifying myself a libertarian. Ideological labels are mutable, but at any given time they publicly connote a certain syndrome of convictions. What “libertarian” tends to mean to most people, including most people who self-identify as libertarian, is flatly at odds with some of what I believe. So I guess I’m just a liberal; the bleeding heart goes without saying.

Here are some not-standardly-libertarian things I believe: Non-coercion fails to capture all, maybe even most, of what it means to be free. Taxation is often necessary and legitimate. The modern nation-state has been, on the whole, good for humanity. (See Steven Pinker’s new book.) Democracy is about as good as it gets. The institutions of modern capitalism are contingent arrangements that cannot be justified by an appeal to the value of liberty construed as non-interference. The specification of the legal rights that structure real-world markets have profound distributive consequences, and those are far from irrelevant to the justification of those rights. I could go on.

Given the prevailing public understanding of “libertarianism,” this ain’t it and I’m no libertarian. And it’s not at all clear to me what is to be gained by trying to get people to retrofit the label to fit my idiosyncratic politics. At any rate, that’s not a project I’m interested in. I am interested in what it means to be free, and the role of freedom in flourishing or meaningful or valuable lives.

One thing I think people need in order to be free in the sense I prefer (I’m not going to spell it out here) is a high level of economic freedom, more or less as the libertarians who make indices of economic freedom  understand it. Standard academic liberals badly understate the importance of economic freedom to freedom more generally. This conviction, that the protection of robust economic rights is essential to any regime shaped by a genuine concern for liberty–is essential to a fully liberal regime–is more than enough get you branded a sort of libertarian by many standard liberals. But one can hold to that conviction while siding with standard liberals against libertarians on many, many other important questions.  The argument over which rights and liberties ought to be treated as constitutional fixed points, and thus ought to be off the table of democratic negotiation, is not a debate between liberals and the people who think taxation is theft or that the state is an inherently criminal enterprise. It’s a debate within liberalism between liberals.

“Liberaltarian,” ugly as it may be, has been useful to me because it offers a convenient label for a position that is neither standard liberalism nor a standard libertarian altenative to standard liberalism. Jason Brennan and John Tomasi’s “neo-classical liberalism” is better, in that it isn’t such a barbaric neologism and doesn’t suggest as much affinity with libertarianism, but also worse, in that it suggests something like the liberalism of neo-classical economists, which it sort of is, but needn’t be.

Labels aside, I’m more interested in arguing with standard liberals about the nature and scope of specially-protected rights and liberties within the settled context of the liberal-democratic nation-state than in arguing with standard libertarians about the justification of taxation, publicly-financed education, or welfare transfers. After all, there are many orders of magnitude more standard liberals than standard libertarians, and they possess many orders of magnitude more influence. We pick our fights, and I’d like to pick ones that stand a chance of making a real difference.
He's come so far since Cato...
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The Niskanen Center was founded in early 2015 by Jerry Taylor.[7] At its launch, the center was composed primarily of former staffers of the Cato Institute who departed in the wake of a 2012 leadership struggle pitting Ed Crane against the Koch Brothers for control of the libertarian think tank.[8] Niskanen Center founder Taylor[9] and vice president Joe Coon[10] publicly aligned themselves with Crane during the dispute. Both departed shortly after Crane was replaced by John Allison as president of Cato as part of the settlement with the Kochs.
Okay, maybe not.

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« Reply #27162 on: December 19, 2018, 04:32:06 AM »
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Because our policy vision so thoroughly scrambles the prevailing ideological categories of left and right, our worldview is hard to pin down with a handy, reductive label. Perhaps one will emerge over time....
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our hybrid vision combines the best aspects of the “pro-market” right and the “pro-government” left
congrats on inventing neoliberalism guys
https://niskanencenter.org/blog/why-not-give-neoliberalism-a-chance-to-save-the-world/

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« Reply #27163 on: December 19, 2018, 09:27:18 AM »
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-18/mnuchin-backs-off-trump-s-promise-of-10-middle-class-tax-cut
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“I’m not going to comment on whether it is a real thing or not a real thing,” Mnuchin said in a roundtable interview Tuesday at Bloomberg’s Washington office. “I’m saying for the moment we have other things we’re focused on.”

"I can't believe trump would lie like that." - said by no one ever.
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« Reply #27164 on: December 19, 2018, 09:56:29 AM »
Neoliberalism wasn’t the hero we wanted, but it was the hero we needed.
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« Reply #27166 on: December 19, 2018, 01:54:18 PM »
So everyone is throwing a hissy fit because Trump withdrew all the troops from Syria without telling anyone prior to making the announcement.  :lol
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« Reply #27167 on: December 19, 2018, 02:27:08 PM »
Black people being mistreated by law enforcement is fake news. Trump, on the other hand, is the real victim. He's been treated very unfairly by the corrupt fake law enforcement media.

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« Reply #27168 on: December 19, 2018, 02:27:23 PM »
Kimberly Strassel, as well, can be considered a black woman despite being white because she fought so hard for their rights.

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« Reply #27169 on: December 19, 2018, 02:35:42 PM »
https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1075456138278244352

Apparently Bolton and Mattis had no idea Trump was going to take all the troops out of Syria.
They've been telling the press for months that the US would have a presence there as long as it would take to stabilize the region and/or Iran would withdraw.

Will Trump get out of Afghanistan and Iraq as well?  :doge

Won't have to visit the troops in a warzone or shithole country if they're all at home  :ohhh
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« Reply #27170 on: December 19, 2018, 02:42:28 PM »
can't wait to hear my conservative family members', who have been saying Obama fucked everything up by withdrawing from Iraq too soon, hot take on this

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« Reply #27171 on: December 19, 2018, 02:55:00 PM »
can't wait to hear my conservative family members', who have been saying Obama fucked everything up by withdrawing from Iraq too soon, hot take on this

Oh I'm sure they'll pin the blame for it on Obama somehow, don't you worry.
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« Reply #27172 on: December 19, 2018, 03:03:41 PM »
Seen Trump get rolled too many times to assume there's going to be an immediate, complete withdrawal based on one statement.

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« Reply #27173 on: December 19, 2018, 03:13:29 PM »
can't wait to hear my conservative family members', who have been saying Obama fucked everything up by withdrawing from Iraq too soon, hot take on this

Oh I'm sure they'll pin the blame for it on Obama somehow, don't you worry.

I'm waiting for Trump to blame the failing stock market on Obama.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Plea Deal December
« Reply #27174 on: December 19, 2018, 03:23:22 PM »
People haven't realized that Trump isn't a traditional conservative, but a reactionary that has his own set of ideals and crazy ass shit that is borne from a unique perspective of being raised in New York real estate environment?

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Plea Deal December
« Reply #27175 on: December 19, 2018, 03:31:15 PM »
Maybe Trump wanted Mattis to leave but Mattis didn't feel like leaving and he can't fire him without making himself look bad.
So he decided to make his job more shitty. Kinda like how supermarkets try to get rid on employees who stick around too long before they ask for a pay raise.

Going directly against Bolton, Pompeo, Mattis and most GOP bigshots sends an important message about who's the captain now.
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Plea Deal December
« Reply #27176 on: December 19, 2018, 03:56:24 PM »
Seen Trump get rolled too many times to assume there's going to be an immediate, complete withdrawal based on one statement.
Trump wanted a big win (on paper), and "we defeated Isis" is a pretty great one for the dumber members of his base (which is all of them). I doubt it will happen anything like it's being reported.
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Plea Deal December
« Reply #27177 on: December 19, 2018, 04:21:27 PM »
In other news, there was a ruling against the ACA in Texas which everybody thinks will be overturned.

The obsession in the GOP with overturning "Obamacare" while also pledging to keep all the popular aspects of it makes for some weird politics.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Plea Deal December
« Reply #27178 on: December 19, 2018, 04:34:07 PM »
In other news, there was a ruling against the ACA in Texas which everybody thinks will be overturned.

The obsession in the GOP with overturning "Obamacare" while also pledging to keep all the popular aspects of it makes for some weird politics.

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/congress/article223264945.html

Prime example is Josh Hawley. I don't think this current congress or future congress will touch Healthcare in a significant way as long as Obamacare stays. If it really does get overturned, then you'll see a lot of Republicans lose seats on both the House and Senate side.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Plea Deal December
« Reply #27179 on: December 19, 2018, 04:42:46 PM »
In other news, there was a ruling against the ACA in Texas which everybody thinks will be overturned.

The obsession in the GOP with overturning "Obamacare" while also pledging to keep all the popular aspects of it makes for some weird politics.

One of the few things the GOP has been right about recently is that Obamacare would be nearly impossible to get rid of once it was finally implemented because people would start to like having it around.
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