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« Reply #28440 on: January 18, 2019, 04:38:02 AM »
I think this Trump news is big.

They say they have emails confirming this.

MOTHER FUCKING EMAILS.


Nothing destroys a president like emails

Well Republicans sure love to investigate emails, they'll be all over this right?

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« Reply #28441 on: January 18, 2019, 04:45:44 AM »
Well Republicans sure love to investigate emails, they'll be all over this right?
It's old news being repeated again and again as if new. What we really need is a special counsel to indict, I mean, investigate, then indict Hillary Clinton.

With an unlimited international travel budget.

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« Reply #28442 on: January 18, 2019, 04:53:11 AM »
We never said the GOP didn't work for Russia and if they did who says that's a crime.  :snob
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« Reply #28443 on: January 18, 2019, 05:54:15 AM »
Well Republicans sure love to investigate emails, they'll be all over this right?
It's old news being repeated again and again as if new. What we really need is a special counsel to indict, I mean, investigate, then indict Hillary Clinton.

With an unlimited international travel budget.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/18/hillary-clinton-emails-government-shutdown-1110674

Hillary’s plan to trick Trump into becoming president and shutting down the government finally pays off. :rollsafe
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« Reply #28444 on: January 18, 2019, 07:18:45 AM »
:drudge

President Trump Directed His Attorney To Lie To Congress About The Moscow Tower Project
-Trump received 10 personal updates from Michael Cohen and encouraged a planned meeting with Vladimir Putin.

Posted on January 17, 2019, at 10:11 p.m. ET

President Donald Trump directed his longtime attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, according to two federal law enforcement officials involved in an investigation of the matter.

Trump also supported a plan, set up by Cohen, to visit Russia during the presidential campaign, in order to personally meet President Vladimir Putin and jump-start the tower negotiations. “Make it happen,” the sources said Trump told Cohen.

And even as Trump told the public he had no business deals with Russia, the sources said Trump and his children, Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr., received regular, detailed updates about the real estate development from Cohen, whom they put in charge of the project.

If there is indeed evidence supporting Cohen's claim, shouldn't this be the end of Trump at last?
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« Reply #28445 on: January 18, 2019, 07:39:13 AM »
Republicans, breh.

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« Reply #28446 on: January 18, 2019, 07:41:19 AM »
In retrospect, it seems like Mueller was acting prematurely when he ended his investigation over a year ago.

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« Reply #28447 on: January 18, 2019, 07:53:16 AM »
And talk about a scam, the lazy jerk has spent a whole year collecting salary without writing his report! What does he think this is, academia? :maf

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« Reply #28448 on: January 18, 2019, 09:36:11 AM »
There are multiple Shake Shacks and Five Guys in downtown DC, as well as at least one Popeyes.

Just mentioning this for no reason.
they need a real right wing habmurger franchise like in n out

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« Reply #28451 on: January 18, 2019, 10:54:36 AM »
Shake shack is overrated. Their sandwiches are good, but their fries are not as good as McDonald’s.

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« Reply #28453 on: January 18, 2019, 11:01:36 AM »
Is the first caravan even here yet? :thinking

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« Reply #28454 on: January 18, 2019, 11:08:57 AM »
Shake shack is overrated. Their sandwiches are good, but their fries are not as good as McDonald’s.

but their fries are about 30x better than Five Guys and In-N-Out, so what does that say about those chains?

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« Reply #28455 on: January 18, 2019, 11:09:36 AM »

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« Reply #28456 on: January 18, 2019, 11:09:53 AM »
Is the first caravan even here yet? :thinking
They got stuck in Mexican bureaucracy last I knew.

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« Reply #28457 on: January 18, 2019, 11:11:46 AM »
"sabotaged" :teehee

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« Reply #28458 on: January 18, 2019, 11:37:59 AM »
this story is already becoming great no matter what:
https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/1086253054482108417
https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1086280704999092224

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Jason Leopold, has quite the history when it comes to bad reporting. Most folks know of his claim that multiple sources told him Karl Rove was going to be indicted in 2006 and how it turned out to be utterly false.

But, as Columbia Journalism Review noted back then, it wasn’t his first problem with facts.

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When Leopold’s story was first called into question a few weeks ago, Salon’s Tim Grieve reminded readers of Leopold’s checkered history with the publication. Salon removed Leopold’s August 29, 2002 story about Enron from its site after it was discovered that he plagiarized parts from the Financial Times and was unable to provide a copy of an email that was critical to the piece. Leopold’s response? A hysterical rant (linked above) which claimed that Salon’s version of events was “nothing but lies,” and that “At this point, I wonder why Salon would go to great lengths to further twist the knife into my back. I suppose the New York Times will now release their version of the events. I can see the headline now ‘Jason Leopold Must Die.’”

Fast forward to March 2005, when Leopold’s memoir, Off the Record, was set to be released. In the book, according to Howard Kurtz, Leopold says that he details his own “lying, cheating and backstabbing,” and comes clean about how he got fired from the Los Angeles Times and quit Dow Jones just before they fired him because, as he said, it “Seems I got all of the facts wrong” on a story about Enron.

But the book was not to be. Rowman & Littlefield, the book’s publisher, cancelled production just before it went to press after one of the book’s sources threatened to sue. That source, Steven Maviglio, who was a spokesman for California Governor Gray Davis, said that Leopold “just got it completely wrong” when recounting how he allegedly told Leopold that he “might have broken the law by investing in energy companies using inside information.”

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« Reply #28459 on: January 18, 2019, 11:40:51 AM »
"according to Howard Kurtz"

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« Reply #28460 on: January 18, 2019, 11:41:25 AM »
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« Reply #28461 on: January 18, 2019, 11:43:23 AM »

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« Reply #28462 on: January 18, 2019, 11:46:37 AM »


"there goes another bike" :lol

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« Reply #28463 on: January 18, 2019, 02:43:44 PM »
Trump better watch out. McAfee is stealing his base

https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1086348020998959104
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« Reply #28464 on: January 18, 2019, 04:01:28 PM »
Shake shack is overrated. Their sandwiches are good, but their fries are not as good as McDonald’s.

but their fries are about 30x better than Five Guys and In-N-Out, so what does that say about those chains?

I like five guys fries, but I am cultured and put malt vinegar on them.

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« Reply #28465 on: January 18, 2019, 04:20:53 PM »
Just because I remember Nintex claiming gen z was more right wing than millennials:

http://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1086071458189651969

I'm assuming the audience for far right youtube is mostly white and overwhelmingly male so it makes sense

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« Reply #28466 on: January 18, 2019, 04:48:40 PM »
Shake shack is overrated. Their sandwiches are good, but their fries are not as good as McDonald’s.

but their fries are about 30x better than Five Guys and In-N-Out, so what does that say about those chains?

I like five guys fries, but I am cultured and put malt vinegar on them.

 ::) five guys fries aren't fries, they should be called soggs

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« Reply #28467 on: January 18, 2019, 04:56:03 PM »
Mmmm delicious peanut oil

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« Reply #28468 on: January 18, 2019, 04:59:51 PM »
Five Guys just sucks in general.

for once I agree with wrongitus

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« Reply #28469 on: January 18, 2019, 05:00:31 PM »
Imo it’s not bad, it’s just doesn’t make sense price wise

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« Reply #28470 on: January 18, 2019, 05:03:35 PM »
Shake Shack destroys Five Guys
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« Reply #28473 on: January 18, 2019, 05:13:13 PM »
Side by side I'd probably take Five Guys TBH.

Both are good, but Shake Shack has never matched the hype for me.

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« Reply #28474 on: January 18, 2019, 05:17:07 PM »

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« Reply #28476 on: January 18, 2019, 05:32:32 PM »
that doesn't even make sense as a dumb quip

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« Reply #28477 on: January 18, 2019, 05:52:48 PM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1086395559504764930

And there was I thinking he didn't work on saturday

Major announcement: We need a WALL or a STEEL BARRIER and frankly I'd also approve of a WOODEN FENCE
Humanitarian crisis: The Human trafficking is out of the control with the coyotes taping women on trucks they drive past the border they go left
Shutdown: Democrats don't care about you they don't want to negotiate here is a GOP senator to repeat what I just said but in coherent sentences

MAKE MURICA MCDONALDS AGAIN
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« Reply #28478 on: January 18, 2019, 06:50:35 PM »
Oh stfu nintex
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« Reply #28480 on: January 18, 2019, 07:58:18 PM »
reporter known to make shit up just made some shit up. i'm simply flabbergasted.

site that is mainly know for "take this quiz to figure out which kind of sushi represents you" isn't a reliable news source. much amaze.

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« Reply #28481 on: January 18, 2019, 08:29:39 PM »
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« Reply #28482 on: January 18, 2019, 08:34:32 PM »
That’s good. I always loved Peanuts.

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« Reply #28483 on: January 18, 2019, 08:57:19 PM »
reporter known to make shit up just made some shit up. i'm simply flabbergasted.

site that is mainly know for "take this quiz to figure out which kind of sushi represents you" isn't a reliable news source. much amaze.
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In response, BuzzFeed said in its own statement, "We are continuing to report and determine what the special counsel is disputing. We remain confident in the accuracy of our report."

Ben Smith, the editor-in-chief at Buzzfeed, echoed similar sentiments.

"We stand by our reporting and the sources who informed it, and we urge the Special Counsel to make clear what he's disputing," he tweeted.


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« Reply #28485 on: January 18, 2019, 09:00:53 PM »
reporter known to make shit up just made some shit up. i'm simply flabbergasted.

site that is mainly know for "take this quiz to figure out which kind of sushi represents you" isn't a reliable news source. much amaze.

It’s why I hesitated to comment earlier given the Enron and Plame misfires, which includes playing loose with unreliable sources, but to be fair the guy has also done some work that has held up pretty remarkably. Including being one of the first reporters to break some initial stories about the Trump Moscow deal which ultimately were almost verbatim stuff laid out in Mueller indictments.


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« Reply #28486 on: January 18, 2019, 09:08:49 PM »
to be fair the special counsel's statement is incredibly vague and it's not clear which part of the report they are denying

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« Reply #28487 on: January 18, 2019, 09:10:51 PM »
reporter known to make shit up just made some shit up. i'm simply flabbergasted.

site that is mainly know for "take this quiz to figure out which kind of sushi represents you" isn't a reliable news source. much amaze.

It’s why I hesitated to comment earlier given the Enron and Plame misfires, which includes playing loose with unreliable sources, but to be fair the guy has also done some work that has held up pretty remarkably. Including being one of the first reporters to break some initial stories about the Trump Moscow deal which ultimately were almost verbatim stuff laid out in Mueller indictments.

That does not make them competent journalists, though.

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« Reply #28488 on: January 18, 2019, 09:31:21 PM »
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« Reply #28489 on: January 18, 2019, 10:13:37 PM »
*edited to alter some wording to try and avoid suggesting Cohen had no plea at all, rather than needing to alter his plea to accommodate rather significant other cases of lying under oath*

I think a number of people from all sides of the Russia theories dispute, like marcy wheeler and some of her normal opponents, are appropriately pointing out a potential problem with the story being "the smocking gun" isn't really BuzzFeed or its reporters, it's that they've built a specific case against Cohen for specific actions, leaking stories like this and painting Cohen as a compulsive liar doesn't help their case and is actually what Trump's camp would prefer as it messes that whole thing up, and even more so messes up any attempt to use Cohen as a further credible witness. It doesn't help Cohen, sure, but nobody gives a fuck about him anymore.

It's entirely possible for every single aspect to be true, so that say BuzzFeed poorly reported on a story that Cohen told that's actually true. But even in that case, Mueller still wouldn't want it if the only piece of evidence available is Cohen yet again lying about something but it wasn't important enough to plea regarding.

This happens all the time in normal cases, down to drug dealers or small robberies, prosecutors don't want to give up a slam dunk to chase a whim in which their initial source would be a liar telling them something they want to hear not in the plea. (Again, I'm presuming that they don't have anything else currently to corroborate Cohen to illustrate why a prosecutor would avoid the case; not saying that there isn't any other evidence in this particular case. Still feel free to call me stupid, Mandark.)
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« Reply #28490 on: January 18, 2019, 10:25:23 PM »
They've already said Cohen wasn't a source for the story.
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« Reply #28491 on: January 18, 2019, 10:38:23 PM »
I assumed the officials learned the information about Trump telling Cohen to lie and meet with Putin from Cohen himself.
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« Reply #28492 on: January 19, 2019, 01:29:17 AM »
By every indication Mueller is not using Cohen as a primary, let alone singular witness to hinge any aspect of the case on. I mean keep in mind Cohen basically went to him, though Mueller did end up giving him a strong endorsement at his sentencing which suggests he was helpful in some notable capacity.

Now that this story is at least partially contested by the special counsel this may or may not be true, but it is something other reporting has said, which is that Cohen was/is merely an additional corroborative witness, the bulk of any particular aspect of this case is coming from other avenues. This story mentioned Cohen as merely being someone that could be an additional confirmation and filling out some details while the bulk of the info is likely to come from emails, texts, corporate eye witnesses, and other documents. Which still seems pretty plausible given the raid and the special counsel having already subpoenaed at least some people in the Trump organization....Whether Trump is as dead to rights on suborning perjury as the article suggested, before Cohen even came to the table, seems up in the air now.

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« Reply #28493 on: January 19, 2019, 01:43:09 AM »

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« Reply #28494 on: January 19, 2019, 01:56:27 AM »
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« Reply #28495 on: January 19, 2019, 02:00:33 AM »
I liked him on the old version of Fox News Watch before it just became MRC on TV.

I also like that his Wikipedia page lists Red Eye as a show he was famous for appearing on, but he only seems to have ever been on one episode.

Where this apparently happened since it's on his flickr under "what.":

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« Reply #28496 on: January 19, 2019, 02:18:28 AM »
What if, in a shyamalanian plot twist it turns out Mueller actually is a typical modern Republican (and all that entails) after all?

Wouldn't that be a hilarious season finale?
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« Reply #28498 on: January 19, 2019, 05:59:53 AM »
What if, in a shyamalanian plot twist it turns out Mueller actually is a typical modern Republican (and all that entails) after all?

Wouldn't that be a hilarious season finale?
What people are asking for is a government agency that costs over $50 billion a year to come out and say:
"In 2016 we were outsmarted by Roger Stone, Paul Manafort and a bunch of grifters we were actively monitoring at that time."
Which is never going to happen.

That ship sailed when Papadopoulous got away with like 2 weeks in the can and Manafort was nailed for financial crimes.
Plus when Mueller told the judge to keep in mind the cooperation that Flynn offered during the investigation.

Trump might still get in trouble based on what was uncovered but it seems unlikely they'll go with the "RUSSIANS!!!" angle and/or use Cohen as their witness.
The worst scenario for Trump is that Mueller concludes that the entire campaign was engineered to defraud the citizens of the United States and scam foreign entities by offering positions, influence and power to the highest bidder because they never intended to win. And it was all done because he told them to.

As opposed to, while Trump flew around the country his questionable group of friends 'volunteered' to help out the smoke and mirrors campaign by enriching themselves and it blew up in their face when he won.
The family had no idea what those people were up to or didn't have a clue what was going on or the impliciations of what they were doing because they were busy keeping dad from tweeting.
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« Reply #28499 on: January 19, 2019, 06:13:55 AM »
I don't think the revelation of a The Producers like scam would be the worst case scenario for Trump.