US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Nintex]

It seems that I end up at Centrist because for example. I think a required Photo ID makes sense (we have such a system in our country already) but also that registered Foreigners should be able to vote (again something we have in our country for EU states).
Yet that sort of stance is considered 'radical' in the US. Plus I don't think all police should be required to wear camera's because that's a slippery slope of everyone working for the government wearing such a camera.

In the end I suppose that ends at Trump as he has the most diverse stances on some of these issues(?)

[nachobro]

It tells you right there, John Delaney is a criminal.

so am i, no wonder we agree

[BisMarckie]

Addressing the elephant in the room:

If the democratic candidates were former Yugoslav states, which one would be Serbia?

[Kara]

Wow how shocking

Shocking is how many tries and how much time it most have taken to get that result to troll a forum with maybe 30 active members.

Nintex is one of those people who votes for one of the myriad narcissistic parties endemic to his pretend country's political system but absolutely would not complain if Geert Wilders was his prime minister.

[nachobro]

wait cory booker was the mayor of newark? who the fuck would trust him to run anything after that? gtfo dude

[nachobro]

truly shocking

[BisMarckie]

Wow how shocking

Shocking is how many tries and how much time it most have taken to get that result to troll a forum with maybe 30 active members.

Nintex is one of those people who votes for one of the myriad narcissistic parties endemic to his pretend country's political system but absolutely would not complain if Geert Wilders was his prime minister.

Nintex is one of those people who think the Netherlands matter at all when in fact they are just a less interesting  version of Belgium

[Tasty]

sorry, but the poll has spoken Tasty, you have to become a Sandernista now.

Only if he gets the nom

Until then I'll see you on the battlefield

[nachobro]

netherlands became like 500x less cool once colorado legalized weed tbh

[Nintex]

Wow how shocking

Shocking is how many tries and how much time it most have taken to get that result to troll a forum with maybe 30 active members.

Nintex is one of those people who votes for one of the myriad narcissistic parties endemic to his pretend country's political system but absolutely would not complain if Geert Wilders was his prime minister.

I'm more of a Thierry Baudet guy myself. Fun fact, the town I live in mostly funded the statue built for the late Pim Fortuyn. And the sunday business talkshow hosted by our local real estate developer is attended by FVD bigwigs on the regular.
Also, our coastal town (which was the European City of Sports in 2018 and now the European City of Space in 2019 and hosted a NATO summit a few years ago) voted 90% rightwing in the last election. In fact, we locally still have a party derived from Fortuyn's LPF.

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/halaljew/status/1141511007107473408

[Tasty]

It seems that I end up at Centrist because for example. I think a required Photo ID makes sense (we have such a system in our country already) but also that registered Foreigners should be able to vote (again something we have in our country for EU states).
Yet that sort of stance is considered 'radical' in the US. Plus I don't think all police should be required to wear camera's because that's a slippery slope of everyone working for the government wearing such a camera.

In the end I suppose that ends at Trump as he has the most diverse stances on some of these issues(?)

I support a theoretical Photo ID that will never exist; in terms of what any candidate might mean when saying "Photo ID," it's something I don't support. It makes a good talking point, but in reality has turned into a tool of oppression, and I try to view myself as a pragmatist more than anything...

This is a good overview of the mess:

[BisMarckie]

Wow how shocking

Shocking is how many tries and how much time it most have taken to get that result to troll a forum with maybe 30 active members.

Nintex is one of those people who votes for one of the myriad narcissistic parties endemic to his pretend country's political system but absolutely would not complain if Geert Wilders was his prime minister.

I'm more of a Thierry Baudet guy myself. Fun fact, the town I live in mostly funded the statue built for the late Pim Fortuyn. And the sunday business talkshow hosted by our local real estate developer is attended by FVD bigwigs on the regular.
Also, our coastal town (which was the European City of Sports in 2018 and now the European City of Space in 2019 and hosted a NATO summit a few years ago) voted 90% rightwing in the last election. In fact, we locally still have a party derived from Fortuyn's LPF.

Banja Luka?
https://www.rep-srpska.eu/single-post/2017/12/07/Banja-Luka-to-be-European-City-of-Sport-2018

I swear to God, I didn‘t want to bring up the Republika Srpska again today.

[Nintex]

Wow how shocking

Shocking is how many tries and how much time it most have taken to get that result to troll a forum with maybe 30 active members.

Nintex is one of those people who votes for one of the myriad narcissistic parties endemic to his pretend country's political system but absolutely would not complain if Geert Wilders was his prime minister.

I'm more of a Thierry Baudet guy myself. Fun fact, the town I live in mostly funded the statue built for the late Pim Fortuyn. And the sunday business talkshow hosted by our local real estate developer is attended by FVD bigwigs on the regular.
Also, our coastal town (which was the European City of Sports in 2018 and now the European City of Space in 2019 and hosted a NATO summit a few years ago) voted 90% rightwing in the last election. In fact, we locally still have a party derived from Fortuyn's LPF.

Banja Luka?
https://www.rep-srpska.eu/single-post/2017/12/07/Banja-Luka-to-be-European-City-of-Sport-2018

I swear to God, I didn‘t want to bring up the Republika Srpska again today.

Oops, it was 2017 and the City of Space thing was 2018.

[BisMarckie]

Such a great honor btw, that you can only find anything on google if you use quotation marks. 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

The only way Photo ID makes sense is if there's a standardized national level version that is free and easily accessible.

Otherwise, nah son.

Bernie Sanders briefly loses his temper with Stephanie Ruhle

"Loses his temper"



"excuse me, sorry mam if you disagree with me that's fine"

CALM DOWN

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/jeffcimmino/status/1141761485183561730

[Tripon]

Uh......

[Nintex]

The only way Photo ID makes sense is if there's a standardized national level version that is free and easily accessible.

Otherwise, nah son.

Bernie Sanders briefly loses his temper with Stephanie Ruhle

"Loses his temper"



"excuse me, sorry mam if you disagree with me that's fine"

CALM DOWN

It is mandatory here. You need a photo ID to vote. You get a voting pass in your mail, you take the pass and your ID, passport or drivers license and you go vote.
The people that hand out the ballots ask for your pass and your ID. They check to see if the numbers match and you're given a ballot to vote.
Someone can transfer a voting pass to a friend or relative as well but they have to sign it.

An ID costs about 40 - 60 euro (depending on your city) and can be bought at any city hall. In fact not carrying any ID means you'll get a fine if you're pulled over or need to testify when something happens although the latter is rarely enforced.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

hope hicks transcript:

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/06/20/hju170550.hicks.interview.pdf

“Ms. Hicks made clear that she understood the president to be serious when he said that he would accept foreign interference in our elections,” Nadler said in a statement for a hearing on former Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report on Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

“She also made clear that even she knew that such foreign assistance should be rejected and reported to the FBI,” he said.

lordy 

When asked by Democratic Rep. David Cicilline of Rhode Island whether she had read Mueller report, Hicks responded "No, sir. I lived the Mueller report."

[Nintex]

Ms. Hicks. I note that I recused myself from certain things having to do with specific areas, but our President of the United States is being treated very unfairly. He shouldn't have a special prosecutor-slash-counsel because he hasn't done anything wrong. I was on the campaign with him for 9 months. There were no Russians involved with him. I know it for a fact because I was there. He didn't do anything wrong except he ran the greatest campaign in American history.

Now a group of people want to subvert the Constitution of the United States. I'm going to meet with the special prosecutor to explain this is very unfair and let the special prosecutor move forward with investigating election meddling for future elections so that nothing can happen in future elections.

 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I randomly picked a page from the pdf and

Q Okay. I'm going to pivot over now to the -- we'll do
one more from Volume I. Then I'm going to hand you over to my
colleagues. Anytime you need a break, just say so.
I'm going to ask you some questions about outreach from the
Russian Government, starting with approximately 3:00 a.m. on
election night. Do you remember receiving a telephone call at
that time?
A Yes, sir.
Q What do you remember about that telephone call?
A I couldn't understand much, but I remember hearing the
name "Putin" and an attempt to offer congratulations, a request
for a forum in which to do that.
Q And what device did the phone arrive on?
A The phone call arrived on my personal iPhone, which was
the phone I'd used throughout the campaign, and its number was
well-known, so --
Q Did you have a view at the time the call arrived of what
the source of the call was?
A Meaning the number?
Q Meaning who was calling. Did --
A No.
Q -- you have any idea? Could you tell if they were a
domestic or foreign individual?
A I believe the number was a 202 number.
Q And tell me everything that you remember the person
saying, to the extent you could hear and understand it.
A Sure. I just did. I responded by requesting that this
individual send me an email because it was difficult to understand
them, and they did that.
Q And when did they send you that email?
A I believe it was shortly after the phone call took
place.
Q That same day? Do you remember the date?
A It was the same day, because we're talking about
4 o'clock in the morning. I can't remember if it was an hour
later or if it was when I woke up at 6:00, 2 hours later.
Q If you'll take a look at exhibit 14, Volume I, page 145,
you'll see that footnote 967 indicates there was an email to you
at 5:27 a.m. Does that refresh your recollection as to the time?
A Yes.
Q Okay. And who sent that email?
A I suppose it was the person on the phone, identified as
Sergey Kuznetsov.
Q And who is Sergey Kuznetsov?
A An official from the Russian Embassy.
Q Do you know what role he has at the Russian Embassy?

This shit is "great"

And just to clarify the record, Ms. Hicks, when
you referred to members of Mr. Trump's inner circle, you were
making air quotes with your hands, were you not?
Ms. Hicks. Yes.

[Great Rumbler]

[Cauliflower Of Love]

hope hicks is the executive vice president of fox.

wow

[Kara]

So much shade calling the Socialist Party and the Peace & Freedom Party (which is now just a front group for the PSL after the Roseanne Barr debacle) Keynesian.

[team filler]

[stufte]

 

[CatsCatsCats]

I didn’t weight my answers either because that’s too hard, fwiw

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/312shelly3/status/1141795961792081925

Mandark

 

[tiesto]

[Joe Molotov]

One-drop rule, if you're even 1% for Trump, you're 100% for Trump. 

[Kara]

One-drop rule, if you're even 1% for Trump, you're 100% for Trump. 

I got 6%.

[team filler]

that's 600% for trump!

[Tasty]

I got 36%... let's make out filler!

[Kara]

With a quiz like this a lot of the questions are shibboleth and I think of that when answering them instead of answering the question at face value. I suspect I have a very narrow spread on my top suggestions and only 600% for Seńor Danger II because of that.

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I also suspect my 3 results on the political sextant quiz were all 100% for the same reason.

[close]

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1141872420728573954

Holy shit. 

[shosta]

kara, I just took "political sextant" and...

Liberal socialism 86%
Marxism-Leninism 83%
Social democracy 83%
Third Way 88%

... it was not helpful. If I didn't already know I was a Libertarian, I wouldn't know what to do.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Hannity had to handover trump to Ingram cause they couldn't hang up on him.

 



Can't believe Obama is having to do so much work for this long.

[FStop7]

Does anyone here believe the camps will be closed if a Democrat beats Trump?

[shosta]

Absolutely, and there's no question about it. The executive branch has broad authority on immigration and the current state affairs, the ongoing humanitarian crisis, is completely man-made as a result of the explicit direction and ideology of those in the administration.
- The DHS should be increasing funding and resources to the processing of immigrants and refugees due to the exceptional situation but instead is metering the border, stonewalling refugee applications, etc.
- ICE is actively prosecuting people who provide humanitarian assistance for undocumented migrants like water, shelter, and getting them in touch with services available to them
- The administration is putting extreme pressure on Mexico to do the dirty work for us, instead of all of NAFTA's members coming together to process refugees as is our obligation under international law
- the administration is overfilling detention centers specifically because it is ideologically opposed to catch and release, i.e. the idea that noncriminals are not inherently dangerous and can be trusted to report to immigration authorities as has been the norm for decades

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Does anyone here believe the camps will be closed if a Democrat beats Trump?

I think they'll stop doing tent cities and start processing properly.

The entirety of the DHS directive under trump has been to stop processing, and send back.

I honestly believe Bernie will make that process much more humane than it is now.

As much shit as the Obama administration got for their DHS, they were working actively on getting things right.(insert dumbass higher deportation stat)

Top of page yuka:

 

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Pervert

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[shosta]

everything this administration does with respect to immigration starts from a first principle that dark skinned migrants are a danger to our society. everything.

[agrajag]

come on shosta, we know you're not a threat

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Absolutely, and there's no question about it. The executive branch has broad authority on immigration and the current state affairs, the ongoing humanitarian crisis, is completely man-made as a result of the explicit direction and ideology of those in the administration.
- The DHS should be increasing funding and resources to the processing of immigrants and refugees due to the exceptional situation but instead is metering the border, stonewalling refugee applications, etc.
- ICE is actively prosecuting people who provide humanitarian assistance for undocumented migrants like water, shelter, and getting them in touch with services available to them
- The administration is putting extreme pressure on Mexico to do the dirty work for us, instead of all of NAFTA's members coming together to process refugees as is our obligation under international law
- the administration is overfilling detention centers specifically because it is ideologically opposed to catch and release, i.e. the idea that noncriminals are not inherently dangerous and can be trusted to report to immigration authorities as has been the norm for decades

this guy/girl fucks

[james]

Donald the dove

[shosta]

sometimes I fantasize about armed chicano groups raiding ICE detention centers and freeing detainees, turning the border states into a no-man's-land for ICE to operate except through information volunteered by state level authorities after unrelated criminal convictions

[team filler]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/20/world/middleeast/iran-us-drone.html

Trump Approves Strikes on Iran, but Then Abruptly Pulls Back

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I just noticed that when trump kicks out mulvaney, and the camera dude resets, they put the phone in frame and it's blurred out. 

#givemethosespeeddials

[El Babua]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/20/world/middleeast/iran-us-drone.html

Trump Approves Strikes on Iran, but Then Abruptly Pulls Back

Tucker Carlson saving millions of lives outchea

[shosta]

I don't think I've ever been so stressed out reading a news article before in my life

[Cauliflower Of Love]

new york times is paywalling me.

should I be glad, this time?

[Tripon]

We used to start wars because the U.S. claimed they got shot at. Now it's over a spy drone.

[Kara]

kara, I just took "political sextant" and...

Liberal socialism 86%
Marxism-Leninism 83%
Social democracy 83%
Third Way 88%

... it was not helpful. If I didn't already know I was a Libertarian, I wouldn't know what to do.

Third Way? Yikes. Well, I think we can still work together.

That site is peak "all the politics I know is from Wikipedia articles" so I'm not surprised it was useless.

[agrajag]

We used to start wars because the U.S. claimed they got shot at. Now it's over a spy drone.

thankfully the drone did not have a man, or woman, inside this time. It could've been really bad.

[FStop7]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cia-believes-russia-more-one-9607370

Who wants that hot Donald fucktape on Pornhub?

Old but it popped up in my Twitter feed

[Trent Dole]

[agrajag]

06:24, 12 JAN 2017 UPDATED09:19, 12 JAN 2017

[benjipwns]

on that isidewith test if you click "filters" you can add/subtract candidates, I added all of them running (and subtracted Gary Johnson since he's not) to my yes or no, non weighted one I posted in the yang gang thread and guess what my top three now is...



 

[benjipwns]

kara, I just took "political sextant" and...

Liberal socialism 86%
Marxism-Leninism 83%
Social democracy 83%
Third Way 88%

... it was not helpful. If I didn't already know I was a Libertarian, I wouldn't know what to do.

Third Way? Yikes. Well, I think we can still work together.

That site is peak "all the politics I know is from Wikipedia articles" so I'm not surprised it was useless.

Your top ideologies are:
Bleeding-heart libertarianism 75%
Suggested reading: Placeholders for Dummies

Green libertarianism 75%
Suggested reading: Natural Capitalism: Creating the Next Industrial Revolution

Individualist feminism 88%
Suggested reading: Reclaiming the Mainstream

Your worst ideologies are:
Clerical fascism -92%
Suggested reading: For My Legionaries (The Iron Guard)

Compassionate conservatism -100%
Suggested reading: Compassionate Conservatism: What It Is, What It Does, and How It Can Transform America

Strasserism -100%
Suggested reading: Germany Tomorrow

kara help

[Kara]

I like that you're more opposed to compassionate conservatism than clerical fascism.