US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[kingv]

Q predicted this.

[Great Rumbler]

The Clintons claim another victim.

[EightBitNate]

Honestly, I’d have to see photos of his body hanging to even start to believe that he was able to kill himself.

[BIONIC]

I need Etoilet’s take on this stat

[ToxicAdam]

It’s been awhile since we’ve had good conspiracy fodder.

[Great Rumbler]

It’s been awhile since we’ve had good conspiracy fodder.

This is a pretty big one. Like, even if you're not predisposed to buy into large-scale conspiracy stuff you gotta side-eye this one.

[jorma]

It’s been awhile since we’ve had good conspiracy fodder.

This is a pretty big one. Like, even if you're not predisposed to buy into large-scale conspiracy stuff you gotta side-eye this one.

it's more like conspiracy gourmet food

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1160184184947781632

[team filler]

 

[Propagandhim]

Wasn't this guy a super high priority on suicide watch?    How'd this happen?

[Mandark]

Someone's gotta make a mural of him chilling with Aaron Hernandez in heaven.

[Boredfrom]

It’s been awhile since we’ve had good conspiracy fodder.

This is a pretty big one. Like, even if you're not predisposed to buy into large-scale conspiracy stuff you gotta side-eye this one.

Yeah, but you can go to read RE thread about this and kill any need to read conspiracies about Epstein.

[Mandark]

He wasn't exonerated, you're just reflexively defensive of male celebrities who get accused of sexual misconduct.

are you confusing me and kingv again or does he do this too

You can check the celebrity harassment apocalypse thread. Off the top of my head, stanning for Chris Hardwick and Aziz Ansari.

[Boredfrom]

He wasn't exonerated, you're just reflexively defensive of male celebrities who get accused of sexual misconduct.

are you confusing me and kingv again or does he do this too

You can check the celebrity harassment apocalypse thread. Off the top of my head, stanning for Chris Hardwick and Aziz Ansari.

Kind of bad examples...

[Mandark]

You can check the celebrity harassment apocalypse thread. Off the top of my head, stanning for Chris Hardwick and Aziz Ansari.

Kind of bad examples...

nah I'm feeling pretty good over here

[Boredfrom]

You can check the celebrity harassment apocalypse thread. Off the top of my head, stanning for Chris Hardwick and Aziz Ansari.

Kind of bad examples...

nah I'm feeling pretty good over here

Put Andy Signore on that list, then.

[Mandark]

k

[Great Rumbler]

Wasn't this guy a super high priority on suicide watch?

Yep, and just two weeks ago there was a prior suicide attempt:

Epstein, who is being held in Metropolitan Correctional Center as he awaits his trial for conspiracy and sex trafficking, was found semi-conscious with marks on his neck, two sources told News 4.

[Mandark]

Nice thing about Epstein-centered conspiracies is the people who are getting their name dragged through the mud are the ones who co-signed on him. "Help, I'm being unfairly smeared as a pedophile and predator, when all I did was befriend and use my social capital to rehabilitate a pedophile and predator!" The game's the game, man.


edit: if there were Epstein truthers going in the other direction, now that would be wild. But he didn't start off with a bunch of hardcore fans the way Cosby and Paterno did, so I don't expect that.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Mueller got to him.

[Propagandhim]

Wasn't this guy a super high priority on suicide watch?

Yep, and just two weeks ago their was a prior suicide attempt:

Epstein, who is being held in Metropolitan Correctional Center as he awaits his trial for conspiracy and sex trafficking, was found semi-conscious with marks on his neck, two sources told News 4.

I remember Philip Markoff had to cut his wrists and empty his blood into plastic bags hidden underneath bedsheets while he faked sleeping because his hanging attempts ended him up in suicide watch.  I feel like hangings on suicide watch are almost impossible - anyone know of any?  What kind of incompetence would allow a lapse in security for this super high profile guy, in lieu of a multi-million dollar court case...after he already attempted the same exact method?    That's fucked.

[Madrun Badrun]

Well, this is when I jump on the massive conspiracy train.  Someone on suicide watch shouldn't be able to commit suicide. 

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1160186356393529344

The current government blaming the former government when they're the ones actually in power.

[Boredfrom]

It sounds like it is not exactly uncommon to suicide watch to fail  .

[Mandark]

https://info.nicic.gov/nicrp/system/files/024308.pdf

"Eight percent of the victims [of the suicides studied across 2005 and 2006] were on suicide watch at the time of death."

[Propagandhim]

https://info.nicic.gov/nicrp/system/files/024308.pdf

"Eight percent of the victims [of the suicides studied across 2005 and 2006] were on suicide watch at the time of death."

How many of them hung themselves? 

edit:

Inmates placed on suicide precautions are frequently housed in unsafe cells containing protrusions
(i.e., anchoring devices) that could be used to commit suicide by hanging (Hayes 2005; National
Commission on Correctional Health Care 2008).

Two-thirds (67.9 percent) of respondents reported that they did not maintain a protocol by which
suicidal inmates would be assigned to a safe, suicide-resistant, and protrusion-free cell (see
table 40). No significant differences were found between holding and detention facilities in
regard to the safe housing of suicidal inmates

 Welp

[Great Rumbler]

It sounds like it is not exactly uncommon to suicide watch to fail  .

That would hardly be a surprise given the way prisons are run and the attitudes of law enforcement in general to criminals, but Epstein definitely wasn't the average inmate by any means.

[Madrun Badrun]

It will be interesting to see* what the suicide watch protocol was.   I don't really expect prisons to be able to change the protocol in the case that the prisoner is famous, but I do expect more diligence.   

*this conspiratorial vocabulary fits like a cozy blanket.  I can see why people use it.

[Boredfrom]

It sounds like it is not exactly uncommon to suicide watch to fail  .

That would hardly be a surprise given the way prisons are run and the attitudes of law enforcement in general to criminals, but Epstein definitely wasn't the average inmate by any means.

I agree, but people talking about this like they know how everything operates.

[Mandark]

How disappointing would it be if the guard were paid off to look the other way, but by some low profile rich pervert we'd never heard of? Like some guy who's worth $100 million because he inherited a bunch of paper mills.

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1160186356393529344

The current government blaming the former government when they're the ones actually in power.

What an incredibly irresponsible thing to post. Very on brand for the Trump admin.

[Transhuman]

You probably don't even get in trouble as a suicide-watch guard if someone dies.

But man, disappointing. First those two Canadian kids, now Epstein. The world deserved answers.

[Madrun Badrun]

How disappointing would it be if the guard were paid off to look the other way, but by some low profile rich pervert we'd never heard of? Like some guy who's worth $100 million because he inherited a bunch of paper mills.

About as disappointing when we find out the guard did it for 10 grand or for a semi-new truck.   

First those two Canadian kids, ... The world deserved answers.

What now?   There are conspiracies regarding those two murders?  Or do you mean answer why they did the murdering? 

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/chrishansen/status/1160200168442085377

Chris Hansen got old.

[Transhuman]

What now?   There are conspiracies regarding those two murders?  Or do you mean answer why they did the murdering?

Yeah, the second one. The families of the murder victims deserve closure. I'm sure that not knowing why it happened must be torturous for some people.

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/elivalley/status/1160202859478167552

[Propagandhim]

https://twitter.com/chrishansen/status/1160200168442085377

Chris Hansen got old.

"They use inmates as trustees to monitor other inmates"

Yeaaaah, go back to documenting the exploits of MusclerJacker69xxx, Chris, because this is bullshit.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/chrishansen/status/1160200168442085377

Chris Hansen got old.

"They use inmates as trustees to monitor other inmates"

Yeaaaah, go back to documenting the exploits of MusclerJacker69, because this is bullshit.

His 'sources' are all random twitter people commenting on the case or sharing random reddit posts.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1160209392123482112

[ToxicAdam]

It’s been awhile since we’ve had good conspiracy fodder.

This is a pretty big one. Like, even if you're not predisposed to buy into large-scale conspiracy stuff you gotta side-eye this one.

That's why it makes good fodder. There isn t any potential scenario you could paint that wouldn't be too outlandish due to how long the dude operated and who he ran with.

That being said, his suicide didn't come out of nowhere
 This was clearly a dude that wanted to kill himself.

[EightBitNate]

It’s been awhile since we’ve had good conspiracy fodder.

This is a pretty big one. Like, even if you're not predisposed to buy into large-scale conspiracy stuff you gotta side-eye this one.

That's why it makes good fodder. There isn t any potential scenario you could paint that wouldn't be too outlandish due to how long the dude operated and who he ran with.

That being said, his suicide didn't come out of nowhere
 This was clearly a dude that wanted to kill himself.

Not necessarily

https://twitter.com/carolleonnig/status/1160205614783635458

[ToxicAdam]

No one put their name on that quote, so what does it even mean?

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/1160206996173414402

  Guy tries to commit suicide weeks earlier, take him off of suicide watch.

[james]

Be a shame if he was accidentally discharged from suicide watch and was sent back to his old cell with fresh sheets.

Be a real shame if a paperwork mixup resulted in that happening.

Real shame

[Boredfrom]

Okay, they totally killed him.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Hey guys remember how the NRA was pushing back against trump for his background check comments?

Oh those were the days....

[kingv]

You can check the celebrity harassment apocalypse thread. Off the top of my head, stanning for Chris Hardwick and Aziz Ansari.

Kind of bad examples...

nah I'm feeling pretty good over here

I dont even remover Who Chris hardwick is. I feel good about Aziz and Franken though.

Like magnus, they did nothing wrong.

Aziz was technically being a dogood Cheney, but imo, that whole situation was just like when that boy wrote an article about that “I’m not a witch” Christine whatever chick from Delaware in 2010 just to tell everyone she had a hairy pussy.

Like, it was a bad date but not sexual harassment or rape or assault.

Edit: oh yeah, Chris Hardwick. Another one where they did the investigation and said Sis crazy.

And if anyone thinks Al Franken would still be resigning if he had full due process, I think your full of it. Not one of those allegations has stood up to be anything more than a misunderstanding under scrutiny.

[thisismyusername]

So nothing will come from the child rape story.

The rich getting away with it, again. GG Clintons, gg.

[Himu]

Jesus Christ.

[agrajag]

Glen breathing a sigh of relief

[Nintex]

Fuck me, this is how they get away with it.
Maybe the FBI raid wasn't as much about bringing him to trial but a way to clean this up.

I told you yesterday the rot goes deep.

[Propagandhim]

Any juicy Lore posts on NeoGäf about Epstein?  Doubt there's a search function for non-members.

Edit: Oh I'm not in the garbo thread

[Nintex]

No more protection of those implicated if they don't want to play by the rules neither should we.

Release everything they raided at his mansion to the public.
Let's see if those fuckers can keep denying what they did if everyone can see Prince Andrew molesting a 14 year old.

BURN THEM ALL 

[thisismyusername]

https://twitter.com/mjkarpinski/status/1160196028596989952

[skullstorm]

Like, it was a bad date but not sexual harassment or rape or assault.

I always roll my eyes at the "just a bad date" defense. If it was just a bad date then that means it's something that happens all the time and is totally normal and that's just fucking depressing. That means when women go on bad dates and probably they often do, they always get pressured into sucking dick, getting naked, being groped, getting fingers stuck down their throats, followed around, having to lock themselves in bathrooms etc etc. It was a shitty and oppressive first encounter at a strange man's apartment, not something that should be normalized as a "bad date". A bad date should leave someone feeling like they wasted their time, not like they were violated.

Anyone who acts like that towards another person and justifies it by saying "hurr durr it was just a bad date" is a total scumbag and probably shouldn't be going on dates at all. And miss me with the "but she complained about the choice of wine so clearly she is just being overdramatic about everything else" bs. Aziz is a pathetic creep.

[Nintex]

Alex Jones pitches in.

[Boredfrom]

Who the fuck cares Nintex?

[thisismyusername]

Alex Jones

[kingv]

Like, it was a bad date but not sexual harassment or rape or assault.

I always roll my eyes at the "just a bad date" defense. If it was just a bad date then that means it's something that happens all the time and is totally normal and that's just fucking depressing. That means when women go on bad dates and probably they often do, they always get pressured into sucking dick, getting naked, being groped, getting fingers stuck down their throats, followed around, having to lock themselves in bathrooms etc etc. It was a shitty and oppressive first encounter at a strange man's apartment, not something that should be normalized as a "bad date". A bad date should leave someone feeling like they wasted their time, not like they were violated.

Anyone who acts like that towards another person and justifies it by saying "hurr durr it was just a bad date" is a total scumbag and probably shouldn't be going on dates at all. And miss me with the "but she complained about the choice of wine so clearly she is just being overdramatic about everything else" bs. Aziz is a pathetic creep.

Yes, women get pressured into sex all the time on dates.

I’m not sure what world you live on that you think this

At some point, people need to realize that the chick has agency, and wasn’t held hostage.  She has the ability to say no, she has the ability to not go to a guys apartment on the first date, and could have slapped him and walked out at any moment... or just walked out. She never really said no. Even by her own account until right before she left. And once she firnly said no, he basically called her an Uber and she left.

Was he being shitty? Yes.  Did she also execute terrible judgment? Yes. Did he do anything that deserved any special attention? No.

If it wasn’t just a bad date... what would you call it? Was it sexual assault? Was it attempted rape? Was it rape?

Should Aziz Ansari be charged with a crime? Because it not... then it’s just a bad date. Maybe it’s an extra double plus super bad date... but I’m not sure what other label you can stick on it.

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1160204761045463040

go off king