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« Reply #41580 on: September 21, 2019, 08:07:36 PM »
Either sapped its energy and momentum, or revealed it to have been relatively shallow all along (in the sense of only being against the Iraq war in particular, or being more about not personally trusting Bush).

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #41581 on: September 21, 2019, 08:32:45 PM »
I don't think the analogy really holds up tbh. Bernie's hypothetical presidency would be a lot more fractious than Obama's considering his outsider status within both the party leadership and the divided opinions of him within the Democratic base. Plus on a deeper level, the fortunes of movements rely on more than who's in the White House. The antiwar movement was always going to decline once Americans were no longer dying regularly. Not to say that the future of American socialism looks golden.

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« Reply #41582 on: September 21, 2019, 08:39:45 PM »
You think America's succdem movement has a similarly shallow character? And in respect to what? I agree but I'm wondering if you mean "Americans aren't really socialist, these people just want free healthcare and college (i.e. parity with Yurop)" or the even more embarrassing "Bernie supporters were much more diverse than is billed and a lot of them just hate(d) immigrants, Clinton, etc."

I think after the 2016 election it was plausible to argue that Sanders and his platform represented a huge chunk, maybe even a majority of Dem voters. He got over 40% of the vote after starting with basically no name recognition, against the entire party establishment. The midterm results and Bernie's stagnant polling have pretty well refuted that.

There are still true believers, even if they represent a fraction of the people who voted for him last time. With the caveat that Online Isn't Real Life, I see no indication that socdem Bernie stans are inclined at all to pressure Bernie from the left. How many are even willing to criticize him for a purely tactical issue? They're deeply personally invested in the guy.

I do think the party has generally shifted left on a number of fronts, largely as the result of (ahem) material conditions and some successful organizing which predates Bernie's 2016 campaign. I think the best prognosis is for issues where the impetus comes from specific demands which can be addressed locally and where there's already ground-level organizing which wouldn't be subsumed by a Bernie campaign (ie teacher strikes, criminal justice reform, housing and living wage bills).


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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #41584 on: September 21, 2019, 08:59:02 PM »
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/cory-booker-nuclear_n_5d8299bae4b0957256b0ad04

Damn, too bad this is coming from one of the loser candidates.

I don't like how pragmatism and feasibility as concepts are somewhat turning into Republican things, makes them look more competent than they really are

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #41585 on: September 21, 2019, 09:48:05 PM »
December 27, March 8, June 8, September 21

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« Reply #41589 on: September 21, 2019, 10:52:15 PM »
I don’t really see Bernie and Obama’s enduring support as having a similar character, even if there is some overlap in who those people are.

Obama, in retrospect was always sort of a “cult of personality” as much or more so than any love of him for any policy preferences. A lot of his support, especially the longer he was in office, was prefaced on how smart, articulate, loved his kids, how great Michelle is, etc. It also helped that he was a gifted orator in a two person primary where his main opponent was nothing but a hot blonde with a thiccc ass, a school marm personality, and a hot Muslim assistant. Very few people were like”Man he’s done great things with drone strikes!” Or “I love how the ACA has been implemented, health care is awesome now!” I think his relatively progressive positions where great in the primary, but he largely didn’t deliver on the rhetoric once he took office.... he was just always a handsome guy that people thought was cool. Ironic in a way that he is more of a celebrity President than an actual President who was a celebrity President first.

Bernie doesn’t really have that, he’s got his 5 pet issues and take it or leave it. There’s not a lot of fluff. I couldn’t even really tell you much about his personal life other than he’s Jewish, was married twice, wrote a great porn book, and I think he has at least one son. The way that I would say he won the most is in how he has managed to shift the conversation so far. Almost everybody had to at least adopt his framing on issues like healthcare specifically. I don’t think it’s unfair to think that some other candidates might be better equipped to deliver on those promises though.

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« Reply #41590 on: September 21, 2019, 10:54:32 PM »
Obama, in retrospect was always sort of a “cult of personality”

Bernie doesn’t really have that

lmao

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« Reply #41591 on: September 21, 2019, 11:01:00 PM »
I mean, do you think Bernie Bros will cut people because they're Bernie fans or that they're natural sociopaths?

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« Reply #41592 on: September 21, 2019, 11:05:11 PM »
warren is the new obummer, mandi  ::) get it right  :wag
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #41593 on: September 21, 2019, 11:53:29 PM »
"wrote a great porn book"

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« Reply #41594 on: September 22, 2019, 01:38:51 AM »
Obama, in retrospect was always sort of a “cult of personality”

Bernie doesn’t really have that

lmao

Yeah, Bernie has his die hards, I just mean people tend to like him for policy related reasons (or some perception that he’s the only one that really cares about their preferred policies) whereas Obama people liked him even though a lot of his policies sucked.

“I don’t like the Iraq war but he’s so cute with those kids at the White House!” Type shit.

Bernie is not cute with anybody, and he’s not really a great retail politician.

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« Reply #41595 on: September 22, 2019, 01:54:55 AM »
hahaha

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #41597 on: September 22, 2019, 02:59:33 AM »
I haven't been paying attention this week. Is the Hunter Biden stuff coming up literally because Trump or Rudy mentioned it and not because it was blatantly obvious payments from multiple nations and we already had a profile this year all about how it led to Hunter buying crack on the street to feed his addiction until a magical negro lifted him up?

Biden will never throw a son under the bus, not now, not to mention it implicates the Administration, that's why they want everyone to shut up about it even though Hunter Biden's own explanations for it have only gotten worse.

Plus they're letting Christopher Heinz and Devon Archer off the hook for their role in the whole thing!

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #41598 on: September 22, 2019, 03:22:44 AM »
The President is allowed to conduct foreign policy without any constraints on his actions.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #41599 on: September 22, 2019, 04:00:57 AM »
It's sockpuppet season again huh ?
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #41604 on: September 22, 2019, 12:20:14 PM »
https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1175804606565273602

Also, referring to Ukraine as 'The Ukraine' implies that they are still a Russian vassal state.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #41605 on: September 22, 2019, 01:13:17 PM »
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #41606 on: September 22, 2019, 01:20:06 PM »
Modi and Trump doing a MAGA rally  :ohhh
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« Reply #41607 on: September 22, 2019, 01:38:13 PM »
https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/1175802821041643526

With material like this I'm surprised he hasn't been hired by SNL yet.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #41612 on: September 22, 2019, 05:30:51 PM »
The entire coast guard looks like they're about to cry because they can't possibly handle all the #winning  8)
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« Reply #41614 on: September 22, 2019, 09:15:28 PM »
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« Reply #41618 on: September 22, 2019, 11:36:37 PM »


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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #41619 on: September 23, 2019, 12:38:13 AM »
Nate Silver says 'Brown people are residue!'
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #41620 on: September 23, 2019, 12:38:47 AM »
Nate "Clinton will win" Silver.


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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #41622 on: September 23, 2019, 12:48:53 AM »
I'm still listening to the 538 podcasts from time to time (I think I might drop it, they're mediocre in general, and I'm not caring for their take on most things). The only real interesting part is how Nate Silver will say some BS or pulled out of his ass analysis take, and the rest of the podcast crew has to pretend that it's a smart take, or have to gently explain to Nate why his hot take was terrible.

I mean, if Nate Silver wants to stop being a poll aggregator, and be a pundit, fine I guess. But then he needs to actually know what he's talking about.

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« Reply #41623 on: September 23, 2019, 12:52:17 AM »
you're so mad that he's mean to bernie

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« Reply #41624 on: September 23, 2019, 12:53:06 AM »
you're so mad that he's mean to bernie

If that's your takeaway, okay. Nate still needs to get better at his job.

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« Reply #41625 on: September 23, 2019, 01:00:02 AM »
you should get better at posting

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« Reply #41626 on: September 23, 2019, 01:00:26 AM »
you should get better at posting

This is some cheap heat, man.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #41627 on: September 23, 2019, 04:24:54 AM »
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« Reply #41628 on: September 23, 2019, 04:33:05 AM »
you should get better at posting

This is some cheap heat, man.
he means you should post more like me   ;)
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« Reply #41630 on: September 23, 2019, 04:56:25 AM »
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #41631 on: September 23, 2019, 04:57:00 AM »
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1175586860825022465

Oh god ohf uck

last time there were like 3 candidates left after the first debate  :lol


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« Reply #41632 on: September 23, 2019, 08:13:06 AM »
I'm still listening to the 538 podcasts from time to time (I think I might drop it, they're mediocre in general, and I'm not caring for their take on most things). The only real interesting part is how Nate Silver will say some BS or pulled out of his ass analysis take, and the rest of the podcast crew has to pretend that it's a smart take, or have to gently explain to Nate why his hot take was terrible.

I mean, if Nate Silver wants to stop being a poll aggregator, and be a pundit, fine I guess. But then he needs to actually know what he's talking about.

Nate’s transformation into everything he claimed to hate is interesting.

Explaining what’s happening in the polls is interesting and unique, but as soon as you start trying to explain why you’re just another pundit and/or bore poster.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #41634 on: September 23, 2019, 11:55:46 AM »
Ugh, Bernie bros.

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« Reply #41635 on: September 23, 2019, 12:24:31 PM »
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #41636 on: September 23, 2019, 01:11:05 PM »
Trump owning the libs by just showing up  8)
https://twitter.com/JulianCastro/status/1176179179173404672
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #41637 on: September 23, 2019, 01:16:22 PM »
 :neogaf


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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #41639 on: September 23, 2019, 02:51:12 PM »
Hopefully the entire 2020 campaign will be in this aesthetic.  :mynicca
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