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« Reply #45540 on: August 27, 2019, 11:51:47 PM »
One thing I respect about Bernie is him not playing the dumb meaningless political games.

“He didn’t eat a pork chop, how can he expect to win Iowa?”

It’s like the dumbest shit ever.

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« Reply #45541 on: August 28, 2019, 12:17:18 AM »
But the internet-wide campaign to ridicule Stephens is as repellent and wrong as it is routine in our age of online mobs.

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The Nazi Holocaust deeply scarred his Jewish forebears in Europe; it shattered them. I remember him telling me once about how in a single day, the Nazis, in cahoots with Lithuanian locals, massacred 10,000 Jewish men, women and children in his mother’s ancestral town. So I can see why the prof’s likely innocent analogization to bedbugs got under Stephens’ skin in a way that others may not understand.

To understand everything is to forgive everything. I can understand how someone who enjoys a massive media platform might, in a moment of emotional weakness or volatility, lash out at someone who is objectively “weaker” than he — to punch down, as it were. I can understand that, because I’ve done that. And Stephens has often been the one to gently call me out for it and urge me to do better.

Bret Stephens is more than one silly email. And if you are tempted to join the pile-on, don’t. It won’t do you any good, and it might even do your soul some harm.

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« Reply #45542 on: August 28, 2019, 12:25:24 AM »
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Rep. Stephen Lynch, who opposes impeachment because he fears it will help Trump, faced a hostile crowd of around 200 advocates, activists and constituents who shouted him down as he delivered impassioned rejections of their calls for impeachment.

Lynch, who has served in the House for nearly two decades, faces a different predicament than his fellow moderates in swing districts. The Massachusetts Democrat doesn't fear Republican opponents; he has progressive primary challengers as his already-blue Boston suburbs district is being yanked to the left.

“You are going to give Donald Trump another four years by doing that. You are helping him. You are helping him get another four years,” Lynch fired back at his constituents, raising his voice as the restive audience shouted at him. “I want Donald Trump removed from office and you’re going to give him another four years. That’s what I know. That’s what I know in my heart.”

Sounds like Lynch is sweating the pushback from Brianna Wu.   :doge

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/27/democrats-impeachment-townhalls-2020-1475728

Most of the article talks about how Dems in purple districts (mostly in California) are actually for impeachment because their districts are increasingly turning bluer and that their constituents are better readers of the Mueller Report than their congressperson.

https://twitter.com/BriannaWu/status/1166351189971263490

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« Reply #45543 on: August 28, 2019, 12:26:23 AM »
“ARE WE REALLY GOING TO HAVE A GAFFE-FEST OVER JOE BIDEN?”: HOW CLICKBAIT AND OUTRAGE PORN ARE HURTING READERS—AND ELEVATING TRUMP
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Less attention was paid to another Times headline that revealed much more about the shaky state of political journalism in the digital age, and its failure to ditch the tiresome habits that helped give rise to Trump in the first place. The headline—“Joe Biden Asks Audience to Imagine Obama’s Assassination”—posted on a summer Friday, August 23, late in the afternoon. Biden, speaking in New Hampshire, had been rambling through one of his usual monologues, this one about how America emerged from the dark trauma of the ’60s to find itself again. Like the grandpa he is, Biden sees younger faces in his crowds and often tries to draw historical parallels to our current moment. Touching on the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy, Biden invoked Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign. “Imagine what would have happened if, God forbid, Barack Obama had been assassinated after becoming the de facto nominee. What would have happened in America?” Biden said in two sentences, before moving on to other things.

Biden—literally, folks—asked the audience to imagine Obama’s assassination. But was this news? For the reporters at the event, Biden’s remark was at least new, which is certainly one definition of news. But were Biden’s off-the-cuff remarks worthy of the avalanche of sinister-sounding headlines that followed, rapidly pushed out on social media with attention-grabbing tweets and murky implications? The Times posted its story at 7:01 p.m. on Twitter, and the floodgates opened. In the next two hours, Fox News, the Hill, the Washington Post, HuffPost, AP, Politico, USA Today, CNN, and other newsrooms all followed the lead of the Times—as they always have—by posting their own versions of the Biden story, primed for Twitter. None of them cited an interview with an actual voter. The Times headline was barely distinguishable from those of the Daily Caller (“Biden Asks Crowd To Imagine If Barack Obama Had Been Assassinated”) and Sputnik (“Biden Asks Voters at His Rally to Imagine if Obama Had Been Assassinated”), which are very much not the newspapers of record.

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As to the news value of the comments themselves, the Times could only bring itself to call them an “unusual rhetorical detour.” But with Biden, of course, unusual rhetorical detours are the norm. Other reports that followed revealed more clearly what was going on here. “Biden has long been prone to gaffes and misspeaking, another aspect of his candidacy that has come under scrutiny during his latest presidential run,” wrote the Associated Press. And there it was: This was a gaffe story, and Biden is the gaffe candidate. Never mind that he’s been making gaffes his whole political career, that it’s baked into his political identity. His verbal flubs might even be one of his most endearing strengths for voters who crave authenticity. But these gaffes have now apparently “come under scrutiny,” which really just means his gaffes are being chronicled by reporters who go into his every event hunting for the latest gaffe.

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Carl Cameron, the former chief political correspondent for Fox News who resigned from the network after Trump’s election, said reporters “have to be careful not to trivialize” the race. “The idea that Joe Biden has loose lips is as old as Biden himself,” Cameron said. “The problem for the press is that Trump says so much more stuff, all the time, and the ratio is just beyond description. He makes what we used to cover as gaffes look meaningless. So are we really going to have a gaffe-fest over Joe Biden?”

It seems as though we already are. In recent weeks Biden confused Vermont with New Hampshire, tripped over his campaign’s text message number on a debate stage, and blurted out that “poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.” Biden confuses facts and dates, he exaggerates, he rambles. Coverage of these moments, cheered on by his Democratic opponents, usually hints at Biden’s age and fitness for office, reasonable concerns. But those worries don’t surface too frequently in conversations with Democrats who come to his events, and when they do, voters are often willing to put them aside because they say defeating Trump is too important. Instead, the gaffe narrative flows from rival campaigns, journalists, and pundits who determine the framing. That’s precisely what happened in New Hampshire. Biden’s comment became a controversy simply because a few reporters said it was.

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Political reporters usually reward new faces and punish old ones, a dynamic you can sense in the coverage of Elizabeth Warren’s rise against the front-runner Biden. And Biden—boy, does he give good gaffe. His mistakes happen often enough to satisfy the feed-the-beast demands of reporters on the campaign trail. The gaffes fulfill a simple narrative about Biden’s age and fitness that makes the stories easy to write and easy to tweet.

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Today, if Biden offered a plan for Middle East peace during a town hall in New Hampshire, but made a gaffe in the process, which moment would get more play that night on Twitter, in headlines, and on cable news? You know the answer, and it’s not going to change before November 2020. Newsrooms can try their best to recalibrate before then, but Biden’s gaffes will always have a welcome home on social media, where the stories that perform best are the ones that validate existing narratives, especially on the left. Biden might be leading the Democratic polls, but his reputation as an old, moderate, white guy doesn’t play well on Twitter, which skews younger and more liberal than the country as a whole. Every one of his missteps is perfect chum for reporters and the progressive activists who retweet them. “Instead of analyzing the events of the day in a unique context, newsrooms are bringing a preset narrative into the Biden campaign, so that every story becomes, ‘There he goes again, this is part of a pattern,’” LaBolt said.


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That silly headline—“Joe Biden Asks Audience to Imagine Obama’s Assassination”—is also about more than Biden. It’s about serious newsrooms behaving unseriously, publishing clickbait and bad faith headlines that tarnish their credibility at a time when it’s needed most. The public discourse is too clogged with phony sanctimony and performed outrage—how’s that SoulCycle boycott going?—for news organizations to abandon their role as gatekeepers of logic, reason, and context. Maybe it’s quaint to hope, but newsrooms today might consider being more deliberate about what they choose to call a scandal or controversy or a gaffe, instead of playing to the internet crowd with clickbait and outrage porn. Editors must have the confidence to look at a story like Biden’s assassination riff and say, No, that’s not news, not anymore. And if they do choose to cover it, they should present it in its fullest scope, placing it in the context of Biden’s previous remarks and the reactions of voters, instead of just highlighting a single quote, primed for virality. That’s what reporters and editors were taught to do in the Obama era, when things felt a little more placid, when gaffes were just a fun part of the political game, and when SEO optimization and Facebook algorithms steered decision-making in newsrooms. That time feels distant.

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« Reply #45544 on: August 28, 2019, 12:30:03 AM »
If I had to choose between wu and trump it would not be an easy choice.

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« Reply #45546 on: August 28, 2019, 12:59:13 AM »
Love to...... Use my dead son for a presidential campaign and to cape for private insurance.

Is this the gaffe?

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1166319450909315072

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« Reply #45548 on: August 28, 2019, 03:53:10 AM »
Love to...... Use my dead son for a presidential campaign and to cape for private insurance.

Is this the gaffe?

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1166319450909315072


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« Reply #45549 on: August 28, 2019, 07:17:15 AM »
Micha Brzezinski in trying to talking up how you can turn every Biden negative into a positive just made the argument that Obama had no experience, didn't govern but instead passed a lot of executive orders, and then handed the keys to the White House to Trump, so don't you want Biden, a man with actual experience to be in the White House?

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« Reply #45550 on: August 28, 2019, 07:30:03 AM »
Would he be... Teflon Joe ?
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« Reply #45553 on: August 28, 2019, 07:55:38 AM »
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Imagine this: Vice President Biden is currently leading the field, so let’s start there. With Biden at the top and a Harris vice presidency we would speak to the majority of Americans who prefer Biden to any other candidate.

Yeah okay sure
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« Reply #45555 on: August 28, 2019, 09:31:08 AM »
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Elizabeth Warren could lead the Department of Education and it would transform our nation for generations. Bernie Sanders playing the role, as Secretary of Health and Human Services would ensure every person in America could access health care we could afford.

In any administration, Julian Castro’s experience as a cabinet secretary and Congressman would be the perfect antidote to the Trump regime’s border policy as the first Latinx Homeland Security Secretary.

But it needn’t stop there. New voices like Andrew Yang, as the head of the Council of Economic Advisors would bring business acumen and the idea of basic income to the president’s ear.

Pete Buttigieg applying his lived experience as an LGBTQ service member and executive expertise as a mayor to bear as the secretary of Veteran’s Affairs would be transformative to our nation’s heroes.

Beto O’Rourke as chief of staff to the president would guide the nation’s most important decisions with compassion and ease. Kirsten Gillibrand as Commerce secretary. Amy Klobuchar as Agriculture secretary. Former candidate Jay Inslee bringing environmental issues to the level they deserve as the helm of the Department of Energy. Strong union supporter Tim Ryan as Secretary of Labor. Treasury Secretary Delaney. Recently withdrawn Congressman and Veteran Seth Moulton as Secretary of Defense. Bullock at FEC. Bennet at Interior.

And how could Michelle Obama say no to the critical role of Secretary of State if this unified group asked her to serve? Our reputation and luster around the globe would be instantly restored.
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« Reply #45556 on: August 28, 2019, 09:36:19 AM »
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Imagine this: Vice President Biden is currently leading the field, so let’s start there. With Biden at the top and a Harris vice presidency we would speak to the majority of Americans who prefer Biden to any other candidate.

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« Reply #45557 on: August 28, 2019, 09:41:07 AM »
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Joe Biden voters literally believe anything the TV tells them  :trumps

Just like Trump voters.
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« Reply #45558 on: August 28, 2019, 10:06:07 AM »
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« Reply #45559 on: August 28, 2019, 10:56:14 AM »
Charge your phone.

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« Reply #45560 on: August 28, 2019, 12:14:40 PM »
Charge your phone.

Why would you think I use AT&T? Clearly not my screenshot.
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« Reply #45561 on: August 28, 2019, 01:33:50 PM »
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Elizabeth Warren could lead the Department of Education and it would transform our nation for generations. Bernie Sanders playing the role, as Secretary of Health and Human Services would ensure every person in America could access health care we could afford.

In any administration, Julian Castro’s experience as a cabinet secretary and Congressman would be the perfect antidote to the Trump regime’s border policy as the first Latinx Homeland Security Secretary.

But it needn’t stop there. New voices like Andrew Yang, as the head of the Council of Economic Advisors would bring business acumen and the idea of basic income to the president’s ear.

Pete Buttigieg applying his lived experience as an LGBTQ service member and executive expertise as a mayor to bear as the secretary of Veteran’s Affairs would be transformative to our nation’s heroes.

Beto O’Rourke as chief of staff to the president would guide the nation’s most important decisions with compassion and ease. Kirsten Gillibrand as Commerce secretary. Amy Klobuchar as Agriculture secretary. Former candidate Jay Inslee bringing environmental issues to the level they deserve as the helm of the Department of Energy. Strong union supporter Tim Ryan as Secretary of Labor. Treasury Secretary Delaney. Recently withdrawn Congressman and Veteran Seth Moulton as Secretary of Defense. Bullock at FEC. Bennet at Interior.

And how could Michelle Obama say no to the critical role of Secretary of State if this unified group asked her to serve? Our reputation and luster around the globe would be instantly restored.
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"The President is ready for you Mr. President. Please keep your meeting short. Preferably 5 minutes."

"Thank you... hi Joe"

"Donald? I didn't expect to see you on my first day in office. But I must say I'm glad that we can meet like this. The campaign was rough but 45 and 46 together that should heal the nation. And justice Kavanaugh too, what a lovely surprise"

"I agree Joe. Listen, I didn't mean for all this to happen you know. The violence, the riots, the curfew, the martial law, locking up Hillary Clinton... everything. But sometimes I just get carried away by these rallies. I told my good friend Brett that we should clear the air"

"Donald, I understand your intentions were sincere to make this a better country but your methods were flawed. You've shown us all that we can and should do better. Thank you for your letter, I will take your advice on how to deal with North Korea to heart."

"You're welcome Joe. Say Joe, I have this one tiny request. Can I please sit in the chair one last time, just you know for old times sake"

"Sure Donald, you know, Presidents never really stop being President you even keep the title I'm told."

"Oh look Joe, there's a document here. I think you still need to sign this and Brett can be the witness haha"

"Oh jeez I must've forgotten. I forget things these days... It's kinda embarrassing. Sometimes I even forget the room I'm in."

"I hear you buddy, Ivanka helped me out with that. Your children are everything you know"

"There, I signed it. Kamala told me 'Joe just sign whatever we send into your office and it'll be fine' so here we are. There'll be hell to pay if I don't sign things"

"Good, good Joe."

"Say, why are in my chair again? That is my chair right?"

*Justice Kavanaugh witnessed Joe Biden transfers presidential powers to Donald J. Trump*
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« Reply #45562 on: August 28, 2019, 01:40:07 PM »
maybe don’t
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« Reply #45563 on: August 28, 2019, 01:57:12 PM »
very strong "guy who signs up for the same improv workshop over and over" vibes

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« Reply #45564 on: August 28, 2019, 03:11:07 PM »
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« Reply #45565 on: August 28, 2019, 03:19:41 PM »
 Woke Beto is the best turn in this elections subplots, cmv :rejoice :lol

https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1166674773847527424

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« Reply #45566 on: August 28, 2019, 03:22:55 PM »


Why are all her videos in recently abandoned warehouses?
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« Reply #45568 on: August 28, 2019, 04:14:32 PM »
John McCain fucked from beyond the grave.  :heh
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« Reply #45571 on: August 28, 2019, 04:39:59 PM »
If youre stupid enough to watch cable news, you deserve it
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« Reply #45573 on: August 28, 2019, 04:48:21 PM »
"Fox isn’t working for us anymore!" is a nice slip of the tongue. Trump's gimmick of breaking republican kayfabe is on going it seems.
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« Reply #45574 on: August 28, 2019, 04:53:57 PM »
Honestly can Trump win 2020?

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« Reply #45575 on: August 28, 2019, 04:56:29 PM »
Honestly can Trump win 2020?

Do Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Florida use electronic voting?

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« Reply #45576 on: August 28, 2019, 04:58:51 PM »
Honestly can Trump win 2020?
Probably yes  :(

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« Reply #45577 on: August 28, 2019, 05:02:59 PM »
Trump only won because he was facing the one person in the country he could beat.

People don't want to acknowledge that "Anyone but Hillary" was a legit thing.




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« Reply #45578 on: August 28, 2019, 05:05:08 PM »
Honestly can Trump win 2020?

depends on who Susan Sarandon endorses

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« Reply #45579 on: August 28, 2019, 05:05:44 PM »
Honestly can Trump win 2020?

Well he already have brought back from the freezer his plan B of Trump News if he doesn't...

He obviously could in 2016, don't see why not 2020 too. Election are won in ballots, not in polls and some of it may come down to the dynamic with the final Dem nominee as well.

But a lot of signs seems to trend towards him possibly bombing.

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« Reply #45580 on: August 28, 2019, 05:40:26 PM »

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« Reply #45581 on: August 28, 2019, 05:42:19 PM »
James will be ecstatic

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« Reply #45582 on: August 28, 2019, 05:44:52 PM »
Trump is gambling on a number of high risk bets at this point in his presidency
- Ending the war in Afghanistan without losing Kabul the day after
- Containing Iran and protecting oil shipments in the gulf
- Keeping North Korea at bay by being pen pals with Kim Jun Un
- Siding with the UK instead of the EU on Brexit
- Fighting a trade war in China (which is so far admittedly costing China more than the US)
- Building his 'wall-fence' through a number of loopholes and desperate measures
- Siding solely with Israel on the Palestinian issue and enlisting the Saudi's to help implement Kushner's peace plan in Gaza
- Significantly increasing government spending to keep the economic boom going
- Appointing very few new government officials in place of those fired/leaving/retiring

It could either all literally blow up in his face or a few of these successfully checked by late 2020 secure his reelection.
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« Reply #45583 on: August 28, 2019, 05:46:31 PM »
Holy fuck you're stupid.
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« Reply #45585 on: August 28, 2019, 05:49:33 PM »
Trump only won because he was facing the one person in the country he could beat.

People don't want to acknowledge that "Anyone but Hillary" was a legit thing.

1) Hillary “thicker than a motherfucker” Clinton is the most qualified person ever to run for any office in any country ever.
2) Bernie Bros

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« Reply #45586 on: August 28, 2019, 05:50:19 PM »

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« Reply #45587 on: August 28, 2019, 05:51:18 PM »
"Fox isn’t working for us anymore!" is a nice slip of the tongue. Trump's gimmick of breaking republican kayfabe is on going it seems.

That's not a slip of the tongue, that's outright admitting that Fox News was a PR arm of the White House, or Trump believed it to be so, and is now mad they are reporting polls that show Trump losing to various Dems. This has been going on for a while, where he started trashing them because they reported polls he didn't like. And now he's "leaving" and "going somewhere else", except there isn't a place.

Which means the Trump News Network he tried on Facebook and a similar state run media outlet that Mike Pence wanted to do here while governor has probably been in the pipeline for a few months now and is the latest grift.

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« Reply #45588 on: August 28, 2019, 05:54:40 PM »
I just realized I won't be able to embrace Gillibitch polling at 0% every week and now I'm sad
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« Reply #45589 on: August 28, 2019, 05:55:07 PM »
Holy fuck you're stupid.
Ending the war in Afghanistan or the war on terror in general would be a pretty big thing.
I mean, that has been going on for 18 years now.

However, it could also end in the US 'losing' the war after 18 years and the Taliban retaking control of the country in mere weeks or months after the US leaves.
Literally all the things he's currently betting on could easily completely go wrong and blow up in his face. Which is different from his earlier plans like the tax cuts.
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« Reply #45590 on: August 28, 2019, 05:57:00 PM »
Ending the war in Afghanistan or the war on terror in general would be a pretty big thing.
I mean, that has been going on for 18 years now.

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« Reply #45591 on: August 28, 2019, 06:18:37 PM »
The war in Afghanistan, if it is indeed about reducing "the Taliban" to a minor political power, has been lost many years ago now. No one even pretend to cares anymore in the political leadership yet there's still over 10k US troops there (plus allies) bleeding blood and treasure. I suspect the US could maybe retire tomorrow and let it all crumble the day after and the hit would be somewhat negligible with the domestic crowd as long as it's not a total shitshow like the fall of Saigon. Yeah you'll have a bunch of AK wielding scary brown dudes celebrating, mocking the US, burning flags and whatnot, those images will sting the public but as a layman it seems like this has been inevitable for a while and it will be 5 years from now.

I don't think anything point to Trump particularly caring about Afghanistan or walking the walk of some of the implicit promises (that were evidently overblown by some desperately looking for a silver lining) of challenging the statu quo of current military presence overseas.
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« Reply #45592 on: August 28, 2019, 06:23:03 PM »
I just realized I won't be able to embrace Gillibitch polling at 0% every week and now I'm sad
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« Reply #45593 on: August 28, 2019, 06:26:11 PM »
Ding dong the gillibitch is dead :jeb
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« Reply #45594 on: August 28, 2019, 06:29:07 PM »
Honestly can Trump win 2020?

If the next recession hasn't hit yet and the democratic nominee hardlines on free college for all, elimination of private insurance/choice of doctors, yeah sadly he'd win.

Problem is there are 2 large wings of the democratic party, the traditional dems and the democratic socialists. Democratic socialist policies are widely unpopular with the general population.

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« Reply #45595 on: August 28, 2019, 06:29:41 PM »
Which one is gillibrand
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« Reply #45596 on: August 28, 2019, 06:33:48 PM »
She's not the holistic nutter. The other unpopular female candidate.

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« Reply #45597 on: August 28, 2019, 06:39:31 PM »
The war in Afghanistan, if it is indeed about reducing "the Taliban" to a minor political power, has been lost many years ago now. No one even pretend to cares anymore in the political leadership yet there's still over 10k US troops there (plus allies) bleeding blood and treasure. I suspect the US could maybe retire tomorrow and let it all crumble the day after and the hit would be somewhat negligible with the domestic crowd as long as it's not a total shitshow like the fall of Saigon. Yeah you'll have a bunch of AK wielding scary brown dudes celebrating, mocking the US, burning flags and whatnot, those images will sting the public but as a layman it seems like this has been inevitable for a while and it will be 5 years from now.

I don't think anything point to Trump particularly caring about Afghanistan or walking the walk of some of the implicit promises (that were evidently overblown by some desperately looking for a silver lining) of challenging the statu quo of current military presence overseas.
Trump doesn't care about Afghanistan but he cares about winning. He already floated the idea of nuking Afghanistan to win the war.
That's literally his plan to win 'in 10 days'. Turn it into a radioactive parking lot.

If the defeat in Afghanistan makes him look bad he'll consider it again.
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« Reply #45598 on: August 28, 2019, 06:42:25 PM »
filler's activated his bots:

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« Reply #45599 on: August 28, 2019, 06:43:11 PM »
Trump only won because he was facing the one person in the country he could beat.

People don't want to acknowledge that "Anyone but Hillary" was a legit thing.

Because it's not.  It was a combination of demonization by the right and lack of inspiration for the left that lost her the election which can easily happen to a majority of the dem candidates. 
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