US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Nintex]

**LEAKED Ad concept**
*reel of Bernie Sanders shouting and shaking his fist*
Narrator: "Communist Bernie Sanders says he believes a woman cannot be President"
Voter (mid 20's/f): "I'm afraid that Bernie Sanders will take away all our women's rights as well as my healthcare and jesus"
Narrator: "President Trump believes anyone can be a President regardless of background, gender or weight especially if they are a woman"
*reel of Ivanka/Laura Trump/Nikki Haley/Conway/Sarah Sanders/Grisham/Melanie footage*
The President: "When I see a woman I just see beautiful, I don't even wait, I'm like that's who I'm backing"
Ivanka Trump: "My father always supported me"
Narrator: "In Donald's Trump America everyone can be a President even when they're not elected"
The President: "I'm Donald Trump and I approve this message"

[Kara]

Pete must've pissed off some people at The Company.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/14/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-2020/index.html

These 8 words spell big trouble for Bernie Sanders

"I thought a woman could win; he disagreed."

 

Which, wow. Those eight words are very problematic for Sanders -- particularly since they seem to run counter to his long-stated support of women running for all sorts of offices.

 

Here's the problem with all of those explanations: Warren said it did happen. It's right there in her statement; "I thought a woman could win; he disagreed."

The issue there is actually two issues:
1) Sanders is saying that Warren didn't hear what she said she heard
2) At the time of this meeting it was very clear that both Sanders and Warren were very likely to run for president. So, it's pretty hard to talk in purely hypothetical terms when that's the backdrop of the meeting.

The question in my mind is whether Warren pushes Sanders for answers in tonight's CNN debate in Iowa. If Warren directly confronts Sanders on his campaign's contention that what she remembers about that conversation is not actually what happened, what will he say? And if he stands by the one-big-misunderstanding argument, will Warren let that be the last word? Or will she push for more?

 


An event of a lifetime, don't miss it!

I wonder who's hosting!

 

[Nintex]

Given Bernie's age this is pretty much his last shot at being President.

If the DNC colludes with the MSM to nuke him, would he run as an independent in the general instead?
Knowing that he'd probably be more popular than the Joe/Warren  ticket.

[Himu]

Is it possible to make for profit news illegal?

If the founding fathers didn't envision modern guns surely they didn't envision 24 hour news cycles that are for profit and done for clicks, "stories", controlling narratives, enciting propaganda.

[Nintex]

The Note that will prevent from holding office

[shosta]

Shift manager at Wendy's is on his break and listening to a Trump rally at maximum volume. Based on this, I would say Trump is still competitive

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1217170364587028480

 

[Himu]

https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1217170364587028480

 

[nachobro]

I NOTICE THAT THE (illegal and traitorous) PRESIDENT (not mine) DONALD J TRUMP (drumpf) DID NOT RETWEET #RESIST

[shosta]

Anybody else excited for these DEBATES?

[remy]

Is it possible to make for profit news illegal?

If the founding fathers didn't envision modern guns surely they didn't envision 24 hour news cycles that are for profit and done for clicks, "stories", controlling narratives, enciting propaganda.

I do wonder what a sane society could do about this shit but i feel like we're so beyond the pale at this point we're fucked

[Tripon]

https://www.twitch.tv/themajorityreport

Debate is tonight, last one before Iowa caucus. Sam Seder and crew will play minecraft to celebrate.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1217262816136175618

Flynn's going to see some serious jail time eventually. 

[Great Rumbler]

https://twitter.com/WayneTrackerAG/status/1217257125962899456

This whole thing just keeps getting more and more insane.

[Himu]

Steyer has said "i agree with _____" twice now using quotes that were attributed to someone else when it was actually Bernie who expressed it

[Tripon]

CNN debaters suck ass tonight. 

[shosta]

Sanders pimping his record of voting against permanent normal trade relations with China is exactly what I wanted to hear tonight. Da poifect candidate...

[shosta]

I think Buttigieg is the only candidate in American history to think a buzzcut is an appropriate haircut

[Tripon]

CNN asked the Bernie/Warren question. 

[Himu]

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1217277043332845568

[Cauliflower Of Love]

That was great attack by Warren.

[Himu]

Warren and Bernie are still besties.

All is forgiven Liz.

And lmao at Warren's lip

[Himu]

omfg

[Kara]

I think Buttigieg is the only candidate in American history to think a buzzcut is an appropriate haircut

 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Quick maths

[TVC15]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/14/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-2020/index.html

These 8 words spell big trouble for Bernie Sanders

"I thought a woman could win; he disagreed."

 

Which, wow. Those eight words are very problematic for Sanders -- particularly since they seem to run counter to his long-stated support of women running for all sorts of offices.

 

Here's the problem with all of those explanations: Warren said it did happen. It's right there in her statement; "I thought a woman could win; he disagreed."

The issue there is actually two issues:
1) Sanders is saying that Warren didn't hear what she said she heard
2) At the time of this meeting it was very clear that both Sanders and Warren were very likely to run for president. So, it's pretty hard to talk in purely hypothetical terms when that's the backdrop of the meeting.

The question in my mind is whether Warren pushes Sanders for answers in tonight's CNN debate in Iowa. If Warren directly confronts Sanders on his campaign's contention that what she remembers about that conversation is not actually what happened, what will he say? And if he stands by the one-big-misunderstanding argument, will Warren let that be the last word? Or will she push for more?

 


An event of a lifetime, don't miss it!

I wonder who's hosting!

 

This was embarrassing even for CNN. This reads like a bad faith message board troll post.

[Himu]

Bernie is destroying Warren right now 

I'm fucking dying dude

[shosta]

I think Buttigieg is the only candidate in American history to think a buzzcut is an appropriate haircut

 

You're a sexy beast, Kara. Don't ever listen to anything that comes out of my dumb fucking mouth.

[jakefromstatefarm]

i kinda miss kamala, she was way laxer at these glorified press conferences

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Why are murdering America, joker?!



I mean mr Sanders.

[kingv]

"Sanders, how will you pay for Medicare For All?"
"4% after $12,000. The average family pays ~$1,200"
"Biden, do you think Sanders owes the American people a pricetag for his healthcare plan?"

What. The. Fuck.

Just did the math and that is about $3000 less per year than I currently pay for insurance + deductible. Household income is Over $150k/year, so that’s assuming it’s 4% on every penny over $12K, and doesn’t take into account normal tax deductions.

If we assume that is $12,000 per person in the household, it’s an even bigger savings.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

"Sanders, how will you pay for Medicare For All?"
"4% after $12,000. The average family pays ~$1,200"
"Biden, do you think Sanders owes the American people a pricetag for his healthcare plan?"

What. The. Fuck.

Just did the math and that is about $3000 less per year than I currently pay for insurance + deductible. Household income is Over $150k/year, so that’s assuming it’s 4% on every penny over $12K, and doesn’t take into account normal tax deductions.

If we assume that is $12,000 per person in the household, it’s an even bigger savings.

But Amy just said it's fantasy.

[Tripon]

Wow, Pete ani't saying shit tonight.

[Himu]

Pete

Klobuchar

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Warren slaying buttigied and Biden.

[Himu]

Klobuchar always talking over time

[shosta]

"Mr. Steyer, do your kids deserve any joy in life?"
"No. Actually, my kids deserve a life filled with pain and suffering. They should experience every conceivable hardship until their will to live could only be considered irrational."

[jakefromstatefarm]

something strikes me as really specious about the moral crux to the free college debate being whether rich kids deserve to get in free too. like...maybe? probably? who fucking cares?

[Cauliflower Of Love]

It's ridiculous.

And dumb

And vindictive.

[EightBitNate]

Talk times so far:

Sanders
14:25

Warren
14:00

Klobuchar
12:13

Biden
11:26

Buttigieg
11:26

Steyer
7:42

Klobuchar makes me so irrationally angry

[Tripon]

This crowd does not give a fuck about Steyer. 

[shosta]

something strikes me as really specious about the moral crux to the free college debate being whether rich kids deserve to get in free too. like...maybe? probably? who fucking cares?

I think this misidentifies the central character of the argument. It's about maximizing the utility of policy per dollar spent (and thus dollar taxed) - the morality is secondary. This is the brutal logic underpinning all neoliberalism.

[TVC15]

This crowd does not give a fuck about Steyer. 

I do. Are there any shirtless pics? He might look good in a bondage harness.

[Trurl]

Come on this is serious.

[eleuin]

incredible stuff

[Himu]

Biden is fucking up tonight.

Giggity.

[TVC15]

Lol making Pete talk about all of his black friends is almost kind of mean. Almost.

[james]

"Sanders, how will you pay for Medicare For All?"
"4% after $12,000. The average family pays ~$1,200"
"Biden, do you think Sanders owes the American people a pricetag for his healthcare plan?"

What. The. Fuck.

Just did the math and that is about $3000 less per year than I currently pay for insurance + deductible. Household income is Over $150k/year, so that’s assuming it’s 4% on every penny over $12K, and doesn’t take into account normal tax deductions.

If we assume that is $12,000 per person in the household, it’s an even bigger savings.

Lol wtf is a deductible join a union chump

[shosta]

this is super common but every time someone like Globachar cites some literal, exact number of lies that Trump has racked up on Politifact or whatever... it's very lame.

[Himu]

Lmao at Pete going the religious route while being openly gay

Big cojones on his part. Most Christian's find the two incompatible. Interesting choice.

[jakefromstatefarm]

something strikes me as really specious about the moral crux to the free college debate being whether rich kids deserve to get in free too. like...maybe? probably? who fucking cares?

I think this misidentifies the central character of the argument. It's about maximizing the utility of policy per dollar spent (and thus dollar taxed) - the morality is secondary. This is the brutal logic underpinning all neoliberalism.

mmm, yeah youre right. ill amend what i said to: there’s a non-trivial amount of resentment towards the rich latent in this argument thats actually doing the work of convincing the viewer

[OnlyRegret]

something strikes me as really specious about the moral crux to the free college debate being whether rich kids deserve to get in free too. like...maybe? probably? who fucking cares?

Rich people paying for everyone's college includes everyone, which includes their own kids. Just as everyone gets to drive on the roads.
Doubling down on somehow rich kids getting free college out of this is a dishonest tool intended solely to poison the entire idea rather than any argument with good intent.

[shosta]

there’s a non-trivial amount of resentment towards the rich latent in this argument thats actually doing the work of convincing the viewer

which is why it's so disgusting that this argument always comes from people trying to carry water for the rich

[shosta]

JOIN ME

[Tripon]

The argument is always "I resent rich people enough to say I don't want to pay their college, but not enough to tax them more."

At least Republicans treat taxes like the fuck you from the Government like it is some times.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Did a memo come out to use black and brown instead of POC since yang isn't on stage anymore?

[shosta]

time to watch what's always the most interesting part of these debates: the post-debate interviews

[jakefromstatefarm]

which is why it's so disgusting that this argument always comes from people trying to carry water for the rich

its so weird! its like theyre doing our class-war framing for us

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or: its so sinister. theyre anticipating and neutralizing it before we get a chance to use it

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