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« Reply #541 on: November 24, 2016, 06:17:13 PM »
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/307483-nigel-farage-moving-to-the-us-report

What the Fuck is going on

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38063933

He already tried to hang out a former MEP to dry on it along with his then cronies before he left the party. Likely because everyone else was going to be brought up on it as well and he wanted gone before it all fell back on  him. 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/11/former-ukip-mep-nikki-sinclaire-cleared-expenses-fraud

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« Reply #542 on: November 24, 2016, 06:38:39 PM »
I mean again the irony to me is that people that were so entrenched in their hate against Trump have got to be looking at least a bit silly when he's flip-flopping so hard. Not to mention the Haley and potential Romney pick on the horizon.
Just kinda funny.
And then there's Bannon  :doge
(I omit mentioning Sessions because I never doubted he'd get a position)

Please elaborate.

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« Reply #543 on: November 24, 2016, 08:27:33 PM »
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/801845964034154496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

If DNC shill Yglesias isn't thinking its going to go anywhere, don't expect the DNC to pursue the recount very seriously or at all.
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« Reply #544 on: November 24, 2016, 08:33:34 PM »
Also there's supposedly 6 Trump faithless electors ?
No, those are six Clinton electors who are actually Sanders supporters who are trying to convince the 37 needed Republican electors to join them in voting for someone who isn't Clinton or Trump.

It's funny how many non-fake news outlets ran with this and started scenario outlining when the quoted electors are from Washington and Colorado. Why would they do anything but boost Trump's electoral lead?

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« Reply #545 on: November 24, 2016, 08:35:10 PM »
David Frum is honestly probably one of, if not the most reasonable, rationale, thought provoking mainstream conservative personalities around right now.

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Frum worked with President Bush in the Oval Office, traveled with him aboard Air Force One, and studied him closely at meetings and events. He describes how Bush thinks—what this conservative president believes about religion, race, the environment, Jews, Muslims, and America’s future. Frum takes us behind the scenes of one of the most secretive administrations in recent history, with revealing portraits of Karl Rove, Karen Hughes, Condoleezza Rice, and many others. Most significant, he tells the story of the transformation of George W. Bush: how a president whose administration began in uncertainty became one of the most decisive, successful, and popular leaders of our time.

Before becoming a White House speechwriter, David Frum was a highly regarded author of books and political commentary and an influential voice on the pages of The Wall Street Journal and The Weekly Standard. His commentary has been described by William F. Buckley as “the most refreshing ideological experience in a generation.” Now, in The Right Man, we see Frum as a front-row observer and participant. Not since Peggy Noonan’s account of her time in the Reagan White House has an insider portrayed a sitting president with such precision, verve, honest admiration, and insight.

The Right Man will command international attention for its thoughtful account of George W. Bush in the midst of his greatest challenge. It will be an essential reference for anyone seeking to understand who our president really is and how he is likely to lead us in the future.

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« Reply #546 on: November 24, 2016, 08:37:55 PM »
Pining for faithless electors to give you a victory?  Congrats, you've entered into Ron Paul territory.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/22/opinion/alexander-electors/
http://reason.com/blog/2012/09/13/ron-paul-roundup-he-might-get-electoral
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« Reply #547 on: November 24, 2016, 08:42:12 PM »
Also there's supposedly 6 Trump faithless electors ?
No, those are six Clinton electors who are actually Sanders supporters who are trying to convince the 37 needed Republican electors to join them in voting for someone who isn't Clinton or Trump.

It's funny how many non-fake news outlets ran with this and started scenario outlining when the quoted electors are from Washington and Colorado. Why would they do anything but boost Trump's electoral lead?

Thanks for clarifying, this thing has been tossed around without much detail and I took it at face value instead of searching deeper.

As for the Jill Stein fundraising, seems to me millions are thrown her way with little accountability.
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« Reply #548 on: November 24, 2016, 08:56:14 PM »
I didn't deny there were fake news stories.

I am saying the narrative on this is spin from news outlets that don't want to compete with non-traditional outlets and that these traditional outlets lost a ton of credibility from posting false stories themselves and relying on sensational/outrage non-news stories for profit.

The thing is if a legit news publication doesn't do its due diligence it is almost guaranteed to blow up in their face. There will be tons of backlash,  they will publish a retraction, people will lose jobs. With the Facebook clickbait bullshit, no matter how detached from reality, it will just get meme'd and reposted a million times. People consume news in the form of memes now, and that's fucking frightening.

I don't think it always blows up in their face. Rolling Stone is getting grilled still today due to lawsuits, but it took them months to retract it and they said originally the writer would stay writing with Rolling Stone. She wasn't let go until almost two years after the Wash Post exposed her. Brian Williams had his walk of shame, but he's back to hosting on MSNBC.

Far more often than not, people forget the event once the truth comes out and any correction does not come their way. This is the actual issue with how media is processed now, especially with outrage hooks. It's a cycle, and the cycle is too fast for research and fact checking, so the truth tends to come out after everyone stopped caring.

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« Reply #549 on: November 24, 2016, 08:58:35 PM »
David Frum is honestly probably one of, if not the most reasonable, rationale, thought provoking mainstream conservative personalities around right now.
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The Right Man is the first inside account of a historic year in the Bush White House, by the presidential speechwriter credited with the phrase axis of evil. David Frum helped make international headlines when President George W. Bush’s 2002 State of the Union address linked international terrorists to Iran, Iraq, and North Korea. But that was only one moment during a crucial time in American history, when a president, an administration, and a country were transformed.

Frum worked with President Bush in the Oval Office, traveled with him aboard Air Force One, and studied him closely at meetings and events. He describes how Bush thinks—what this conservative president believes about religion, race, the environment, Jews, Muslims, and America’s future. Frum takes us behind the scenes of one of the most secretive administrations in recent history, with revealing portraits of Karl Rove, Karen Hughes, Condoleezza Rice, and many others. Most significant, he tells the story of the transformation of George W. Bush: how a president whose administration began in uncertainty became one of the most decisive, successful, and popular leaders of our time.

Before becoming a White House speechwriter, David Frum was a highly regarded author of books and political commentary and an influential voice on the pages of The Wall Street Journal and The Weekly Standard. His commentary has been described by William F. Buckley as “the most refreshing ideological experience in a generation.” Now, in The Right Man, we see Frum as a front-row observer and participant. Not since Peggy Noonan’s account of her time in the Reagan White House has an insider portrayed a sitting president with such precision, verve, honest admiration, and insight.

The Right Man will command international attention for its thoughtful account of George W. Bush in the midst of his greatest challenge. It will be an essential reference for anyone seeking to understand who our president really is and how he is likely to lead us in the future.

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Normally I think I get your humor/obeservations pretty well.

Not sure I am getting this one though?

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« Reply #550 on: November 24, 2016, 08:59:19 PM »
To show how this kind of not fake news works and spreads. The reputable journal The New York Daily News publishes this:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/members-vow-cast-electoral-college-votes-trump-article-1.2883695
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Six electors vow to cast ballots against their states' popular vote
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At least six electors — members of the Electoral College whose votes actually elect the President — have vowed to cast ballots that don't align with the popular vote results of their states, Politico reported Tuesday.

If they carry out their intentions — in effect, becoming "faithless electors" — they would narrow Donald Trump's margin-of-victory in the Electoral College over Hillary Clinton.

One elector, Michael Baca said in a statement that he wouldn’t vote for Trump.

“The Founding Fathers created the Electoral College as the last line of defense, and I think we must do all that we can to ensure that we have a Reasonable Republican candidate who shares our American values,” he said.

Which they source to this:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/democrats-electoral-college-faithless-trump-231731
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Democratic presidential electors revolt against Trump
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At least a half-dozen Democratic electors have signed onto an attempt to block Donald Trump from winning an Electoral College majority, an effort designed not only to deny Trump the presidency but also to undermine the legitimacy of the institution.

The presidential electors, mostly former Bernie Sanders supporters who hail from Washington state and Colorado, are now lobbying their Republican counterparts in other states to reject their oaths — and in some cases, state law — to vote against Trump when the Electoral College meets on Dec. 19.

Even the most optimistic among the Democratic electors acknowledges they're unlikely to persuade the necessary 37 Republican electors to reject Trump — the number they'd likely need to deny him the presidency and send the final decision to the House of Representatives. And even if they do, the Republican-run House might simply elect Trump anyway.

But the Democratic electors are convinced that even in defeat, their efforts would erode confidence in the Electoral College and fuel efforts to eliminate it, ending the body’s 228-year run as the only official constitutional process for electing the president. With that goal in mind, the group is also contemplating encouraging Democratic electors to oppose Hillary Clinton and partner with Republicans in support of a consensus pick like Mitt Romney or John Kasich.
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Polly Baca, who's still considering whether to cast her vote against Clinton, said that she'll decide in part based on whether there's a strategic consensus reached with other Democrats to vote for another candidate.

Which major bloggers publish as:
http://www.towleroad.com/2016/11/electoral-college-trump/
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Six Electors Vow to Switch Votes to Block Trump
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Six electors have vowed to switch their votes away from Donald Trump despite the popular vote results in their states which favored the Republican president-elect.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/6-electoral-college-members-sign-up-to-block-trump-from-winning/
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6 Electoral College members sign up to block Trump from winning
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At least six electors — members of the Electoral College whose votes elect the President — have vowed to cast their ballots in an attempt to block Donald Trump from winning an Electoral College majority, Politico reported Tuesday. The presidential electors are mostly former Bernie Sanders supporters who hail from Washington state and Colorado.

If the electors turn out to be "faithless electors," their votes could narrow Trump's margin-of-victory in the Electoral College over Hillary Clinton.

Foreign sites run with it which bloggers then link to:
http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/23/theres-still-a-way-to-block-donald-trump-from-becoming-president-6276435/
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There’s still a way to block Donald Trump from becoming president
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The unlikely future Commander-in-chief’s journey to the White House could hit a bump in the road as six rebel electors have signed an agreement to prevent his presidency.
http://usfinancepost.com/electoral-college-members-prepare-to-vote-against-donald-trump-26128.html
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Electoral College members ‘prepare to vote against Donald Trump’
http://www.ibtimes.com/can-hillary-clinton-still-win-6-electors-sign-block-donald-trump-winning-electoral-2450380
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Can Hillary Clinton Still Win? 6 Electors Sign Up To Block Donald Trump From Winning Electoral College

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« Reply #551 on: November 24, 2016, 10:32:58 PM »
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/801944103986536448
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Mr Ascetica ‏@MrAscetica  15m15 minutes ago
@justinamash @joshzepps Which part of the constitution defines the job of the president-elect??? Suck it up lefties. U lost.

NotYngwie ‏@NotYngwie  19m19 minutes ago
@justinamash @smitty_one_each @realDonaldTrump but the government throwing millions of tax $ at "green" companies is better?

JustPlainBill ‏@JustPlainBill  1m1 minute ago
@justinamash @thestreeter Why don't you tell  that to Solydra and the other businesses obama caused to start up with Gov't $$.

Cubbie4Life ‏@JoseSalem38  14m14 minutes ago
@justinamash Not sure who you are justin amash, but u r part of the problem. U need 2 get on board to make america great again

Jack L. ‏@JRLV_Inc  39m39 minutes ago
@SnookiNeedsJC @justinamash @PolitiBunny there are truly no words for the stupidity of anyone opposing Mr. Trump's actions here.

SFR ‏@Torrid_Zone  3h3 hours ago
@justinamash Maybe we can outsource your job. How about that? @RestoreHistory

Deplorable Fernando ‏@FernandoAQuezad  2h2 hours ago
@justinamash @realDonaldTrump oh man it still hurts huh? Need a band aid

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« Reply #552 on: November 24, 2016, 10:45:08 PM »
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But the Democratic electors are convinced that even in defeat, their efforts would erode confidence in the Electoral College and fuel efforts to eliminate it, ending the body’s 228-year run as the only official constitutional process for electing the president. With that goal in mind, the group is also contemplating encouraging Democratic electors to oppose Hillary Clinton and partner with Republicans in support of a consensus pick like Mitt Romney or John Kasich.

 :gurl

FYI, I am officially over the term normalized like teachable moment.

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« Reply #553 on: November 24, 2016, 11:59:36 PM »
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/801944103986536448
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Mr Ascetica ‏@MrAscetica  15m15 minutes ago
@justinamash @joshzepps Which part of the constitution defines the job of the president-elect??? Suck it up lefties. U lost.

NotYngwie ‏@NotYngwie  19m19 minutes ago
@justinamash @smitty_one_each @realDonaldTrump but the government throwing millions of tax $ at "green" companies is better?

JustPlainBill ‏@JustPlainBill  1m1 minute ago
@justinamash @thestreeter Why don't you tell  that to Solydra and the other businesses obama caused to start up with Gov't $$.

Cubbie4Life ‏@JoseSalem38  14m14 minutes ago
@justinamash Not sure who you are justin amash, but u r part of the problem. U need 2 get on board to make america great again

Jack L. ‏@JRLV_Inc  39m39 minutes ago
@SnookiNeedsJC @justinamash @PolitiBunny there are truly no words for the stupidity of anyone opposing Mr. Trump's actions here.

SFR ‏@Torrid_Zone  3h3 hours ago
@justinamash Maybe we can outsource your job. How about that? @RestoreHistory

Deplorable Fernando ‏@FernandoAQuezad  2h2 hours ago
@justinamash @realDonaldTrump oh man it still hurts huh? Need a band aid

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« Reply #554 on: November 25, 2016, 12:18:11 AM »
I'm tired of Justin Amash pushing his liberal agenda on this country.
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« Reply #555 on: November 25, 2016, 01:05:11 AM »
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But the Democratic electors are convinced that even in defeat, their efforts would erode confidence in the Electoral College and fuel efforts to eliminate it, ending the body’s 228-year run as the only official constitutional process for electing the president. With that goal in mind, the group is also contemplating encouraging Democratic electors to oppose Hillary Clinton and partner with Republicans in support of a consensus pick like Mitt Romney or John Kasich.

 :gurl

FYI, I am officially over the term normalized like teachable moment.

My takeaway is that it is going to take a paradigm shift, from the grassroots, to address this problematic behavior so it gets walked back. It's the best way forward.

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« Reply #556 on: November 25, 2016, 06:37:01 AM »
Pining for faithless electors to give you a victory?  Congrats, you've entered into Ron Paul territory.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/22/opinion/alexander-electors/
http://reason.com/blog/2012/09/13/ron-paul-roundup-he-might-get-electoral
It's really gotten embarrassing as this point.
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« Reply #557 on: November 25, 2016, 09:46:28 AM »
now gaf pushing Keith olbermann with another way to remove trump basically calling for a bloodless coup

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1319633

stop already

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« Reply #558 on: November 25, 2016, 10:07:05 AM »

 :gurl

FYI, I am officially over the term normalized like teachable moment.

Every year there seems to be a new one. 4-5 years ago it was 'problematic'.


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« Reply #559 on: November 25, 2016, 10:25:04 AM »
jill stein now asking for $7 million :lol donations have slowed down quite a lot, looks like people finally caught on that this is bullshit :doge

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« Reply #560 on: November 25, 2016, 11:45:57 AM »
Watching liberals turn into republicans circa 2008/2012 is depressing. But then again let's not forget Diebold and other 2004 conspiracy theories so this is nothing new. The shoe fits when you're losing I guess.
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« Reply #561 on: November 25, 2016, 11:54:06 AM »
That's been the most dispiriting thing for me these past 30 years of paying attention to politics. You see this ping pong match where one side does real petty, annoying things for 8 years. The other side cries foul. Then next cycle they are doing/espousing the same shit they were just complaining about with no acknowledgement of the hypocrisy.

Republicans are going to (with a straight face) complain about Democrats obstructing Trump or trying to get him impeached over minor things.


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« Reply #563 on: November 25, 2016, 12:35:17 PM »
How are liberals turning into conservatives circa 2008 exactly?
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« Reply #564 on: November 25, 2016, 12:55:36 PM »
How are liberals turning into conservatives circa 2008 exactly?

Reaching for guns and doubting the legitimacy of institutional processes ?
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« Reply #565 on: November 25, 2016, 01:08:59 PM »
From the Stein fundraiser page :

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We cannot guarantee a recount will happen in any of these states we are targeting. We can only pledge we will demand recounts in those states. If we raise more than what's needed, the surplus will also go toward election integrity efforts and to promote voting system reform.
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« Reply #566 on: November 25, 2016, 01:15:10 PM »
From the Stein fundraiser page :

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We cannot guarantee a recount will happen in any of these states we are targeting. We can only pledge we will demand recounts in those states. If we raise more than what's needed, the surplus will also go toward election integrity efforts and to promote voting system reform.

Well, it's laid out there.  Make a half assed attempt at recount, get told no, and then spend 99.9% of the money on pet projects that won't go anywhere.
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« Reply #567 on: November 25, 2016, 01:17:06 PM »
How are liberals turning into conservatives circa 2008 exactly?

Reaching for guns and doubting the legitimacy of institutional processes ?

The reasons for buying guns are completely different. Saying they're the same is disengenous as it is misinformed.

Democrats doubted institutional processes in 2000. Nothing new for them.

???
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« Reply #568 on: November 25, 2016, 01:26:23 PM »
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/307521-report-trump-team-wants-romney-to-apologize

Trumps team wants Romney to apologize about his comments regarding Trump and they will give him the Secretary of State position


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« Reply #569 on: November 25, 2016, 01:27:44 PM »
:lol

The most petty administration.
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« Reply #570 on: November 25, 2016, 02:44:51 PM »
Hitler in public and Rodrigo Borgia in private.

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« Reply #571 on: November 25, 2016, 04:24:45 PM »
How are liberals turning into conservatives circa 2008 exactly?

Reaching for guns and doubting the legitimacy of institutional processes ?

Is a system designed to suppress the votes of people of color legitimate?  A recount might not change the results of this election, but I'm glad Dems are still up in arms.  Our elections are in dire need of reform.  At the very least I hope it'll signal to congress that there's a larger issue worth devoting attention to.

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« Reply #572 on: November 25, 2016, 04:29:00 PM »
Don't say that PlayDat. Let them laugh despite record number of vote suppression. It's definitely a conspiracy and the left has turned into their enemy!
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« Reply #573 on: November 25, 2016, 06:45:28 PM »
I understand why the right nationalism is rising in Europe. Hell, I feel it rising inside me. Not because of the right or the nationalism, but rather because "left" european politics let the war into our homes, when we (as citizens) have zero responsability over it. This is why, since politicians are caring so little about their own population: the ones who pay taxes so things get going, in favor of people of questionable origins and beliefs. Someone working over 20 years and losing his job on his 50-60s barely gets any help here, but someone who is a "refugee" is going to live better, as he will be conceded housing and benefits. The fact we're secretly endangered on a daily basis and we're actually avoiding these things from happening due to increased intelligence and police operations is a clear sign that things are not OKAY in Europe. Pretending to deny it with the "bad apples" approach is stupid. One piece of bad fruit taints the rest of the basket, if exposed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-security-arrest-idUSKBN13J1X9?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews

Their own muslim brothers (just citing the union between muslim through their beliefs), from Saudi Arabia and the likes do not accept them, despite having these 100k conditioned tents for 3 million people



I'd have voted Trump for the promise of no refugees alone. The value of life on the western civilization and the middle east is different, hence why we're moving out of death penalty and have to fight for even the right to die through euthanasia. I need to live in a society where people share the same values towards their common folk and elevate the right of life to it's maximum expression.


tl;dr: we live within the laws and pay our taxes. The state has to prevent dangers and of course never create a situation to endanger its population (of course they can't always prevent it, but choices that put the population into an undetermined amount of danger are a no-no).
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« Reply #574 on: November 25, 2016, 07:17:09 PM »
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/307521-report-trump-team-wants-romney-to-apologize

Trumps team wants Romney to apologize about his comments regarding Trump and they will give him the Secretary of State position


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That is the Trumpiest thing Trump has ever Trumped.

"publicly pledge fealty to me, the triumphant one, and I may reward your house with high level positions within my court."

 :snob

Also, as if we didn't know this already, but Romney is a shitheel with zero integrity. What a clown.

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« Reply #575 on: November 25, 2016, 08:05:55 PM »
Looks like a recount is on in Wisconsin
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« Reply #576 on: November 25, 2016, 08:10:36 PM »
forgot how shit of a poster etoilet was yikes
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« Reply #577 on: November 25, 2016, 09:06:32 PM »
forgot how shit of a poster etoilet was yikes

Truly, his return is just another grim reminder that 2016 is the year that just keeps shitting on the world.
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« Reply #578 on: November 25, 2016, 10:32:37 PM »
FFS


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« Reply #579 on: November 25, 2016, 11:08:12 PM »
"It would be nice if some of the new posters ventured out of the GAF thread and contributed to some of the other discussions."

*reads daemon's post*

 :goty2

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« Reply #580 on: November 25, 2016, 11:32:39 PM »
"It would be nice if some of the new posters ventured out of the GAF thread and contributed to some of the other discussions."

*reads daemon's post*

 :goty2

It is quite interesting though, that most of my posts have been answered in regards to the post content, not with the dismissing attitude you find on GAF.

Was there anything factually wrong about what a society is supposed to be, about the cultural difference of refugees (aka the society they come from), about the possibility to have a better refuge on camps designated to hold refugees(i heard that it was used for a certain religious event. But given the circumstances, it feels like it would be a pretty humanitarian thing to do) unlike the streets of Paris



Also was it factually wrong to say that refugees get better benefits than taxpayers who happen to be unemployable due to age and have no international amnesty to tag on, considering I know it firsthand? Just like I feel it's amazing that non-wrongdoing taxpayers receive less in welfare/unemployment than the cost of a prisoner that chose to commit a crime. I'm pretty consistent on the crimes commited by society in favor of the "less favored", by turning a blind eye on good people that actually did benefit the society when they were able to. To finish the argument with another question: do you know how many terrorist attempts have been intercepted by the increasing security forces in Europe in the last months?

Or maybe you just mentioned it because I said i'd have voted Trump? please, elaborate.



The equivalent to what is happening with the migrant crisis is like a sudden collapse of the flight systems and then since they're all so crunched in time and there's so many passengers, they skip the control altogether.


To sum it up, and not because he's ex-muslim:


I love how he retorts every point the called makes with concise reasonable arguments. I assume many muslims feel like brother rachid, but then you have those living (not refugee) in Europe with ideas that actually preach for the death of the society as it is. Sure, a religious nutjob (christians who go "death to gays", "god hates f-gs" come to mind). Problem happens when you actually inadvertedly import the guy who goes beyond the thought and actually takes action.

But truth be said, the racist attacks on people based on their looks that have happened around Europe do disgust me too. Not because of the implications, but simply because of the way they manifest it by beating a (quite probably) innocent citizen. Any kind of violence is not to be tolerated on society. We made a civilization to prevent this from happening.
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« Reply #581 on: November 25, 2016, 11:39:33 PM »
"It would be nice if some of the new posters ventured out of the GAF thread and contributed to some of the other discussions."

*reads daemon's post*

 :goty2

The thread needs to die at this point tbh
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« Reply #582 on: November 25, 2016, 11:53:21 PM »
You ain't exactly helping by falling for Jill Stein's okeydoke.  :ufup

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« Reply #583 on: November 25, 2016, 11:58:04 PM »
Er.... Don't mistake me supporting people being skeptical of republican's running a fair and equitable election not made of voter fraud and suppression with me supporting Jill Stein.
IYKYK

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« Reply #584 on: November 25, 2016, 11:59:04 PM »
I mean a lot of it I can't really speak on, because I don't know what country you're from and I'm not European. I don't know how the benefits given in said country stack up to those given to the unemployed (although the narrative that European governments are rolling out the gravy train to refugees because...political correctness, I guess? seems pretty suspect). But I can recognize large parts of it as racist bullshit, like "Muslim countries don't take refugees." Lebanon has roughly the same number of Syrian refugees as all of Europe. The bit about different values of life in the Middle East and Europe is some really tired clash of civilizations crap (those refined humanist values that see people fleeing death and destruction as a backwards horde of opportunists that must be kept out at all costs).  Honestly, your whole post is such a web of right-wing talking points that I can't muster the energy to dive that much deeper into it.

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« Reply #585 on: November 26, 2016, 12:09:28 AM »
I mean a lot of it I can't really speak on, because I don't know what country you're from and I'm not European. I don't know how the benefits given in said country stack up to those given to the unemployed (although the narrative that European governments are rolling out the gravy train to refugees because...political correctness, I guess? seems pretty suspect). But I can recognize large parts of it as racist bullshit, like "Muslim countries don't take refugees." Lebanon has roughly the same number of Syrian refugees as all of Europe. The bit about different values of life in the Middle East and Europe is some really tired clash of civilizations (those refined humanist values that see people fleeing death and destruction as a backwards horde of opportunists that must be kept out at all costs).  Honestly, your whole post is such a web of right-wing talking points that I can't muster the energy to dive that much deeper into it.

I know Lebanon and Saudi Arabia have syrians, however it is not 100% that they belong to the migrant crisis from the sources I read. If there's a camp that includes housing, kitchen, air conditioning and is closer to Syria, no matter the initial purpose of being for a religious event, you go and save your brothers. Can we agree on that? can we agree that it's closer, people don't have to die on boats to get there and all that stuff that happens to people who are legitimately scared of ISIS on Syria? Can we also agree that the infiltrated terrorists wouldn't dare to attack so close to Holy pilgrimage land? Can we agree that 2+2=4?

Also racism, of course, the subtle buzzword. If anything, xenophobe, and not quite because a phobia is an irrational fear. And given the dismantled terrorist attacks considering we only have a portion of what we're meant to allocate, I think the fear to what hundreds of thousands of people moving from a war conflict might incur into is pretty rational.

The fact that alt-right uses some genuine arguments every now and then is not surprising, since even a broken clock gives the right time twice a day.

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« Reply #586 on: November 26, 2016, 12:17:13 AM »
Ah, you're saying that countries should be more welcoming to the refugees and generous with their own resources.

My fault, I had misunderstood you before.

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« Reply #587 on: November 26, 2016, 12:24:50 AM »
So looks like Fidel Castro actually died this time...

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« Reply #588 on: November 26, 2016, 12:26:35 AM »
Ah, you're saying that countries should be more welcoming to the refugees and generous with their own resources.

My fault, I had misunderstood you before.

I would actually welcome the EU contributing economically, while keeping societies that hold inherent different values not clash like a wave against a rock. Do I mean societies should never merge? Not at all. I'm saying that a forced migration (due to war), is going to cause that clash instead of a natural blend and evolution of the ideas. Society morphs way slower than technology, concepts have to permeate into newer generations. Really, i'm not saying any crazy stuff.

So looks like Fidel Castro actually died this time...

I need to see a gaffer saying this is the first Trump political casuality, lol

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« Reply #589 on: November 26, 2016, 12:31:53 AM »
 RIP Fidel :cubacry

I mean a lot of it I can't really speak on, because I don't know what country you're from and I'm not European. I don't know how the benefits given in said country stack up to those given to the unemployed (although the narrative that European governments are rolling out the gravy train to refugees because...political correctness, I guess? seems pretty suspect). But I can recognize large parts of it as racist bullshit, like "Muslim countries don't take refugees." Lebanon has roughly the same number of Syrian refugees as all of Europe. The bit about different values of life in the Middle East and Europe is some really tired clash of civilizations (those refined humanist values that see people fleeing death and destruction as a backwards horde of opportunists that must be kept out at all costs).  Honestly, your whole post is such a web of right-wing talking points that I can't muster the energy to dive that much deeper into it.

I know Lebanon and Saudi Arabia have syrians, however it is not 100% that they belong to the migrant crisis from the sources I read. If there's a camp that includes housing, kitchen, air conditioning and is closer to Syria, no matter the initial purpose of being for a religious event, you go and save your brothers. Can we agree on that? can we agree that it's closer, people don't have to die on boats to get there and all that stuff that happens to people who are legitimately scared of ISIS on Syria? Can we also agree that the infiltrated terrorists wouldn't dare to attack so close to Holy pilgrimage land? Can we agree that 2+2=4?

Also racism, of course, the subtle buzzword. If anything, xenophobe, and not quite because a phobia is an irrational fear. And given the dismantled terrorist attacks considering we only have a portion of what we're meant to allocate, I think the fear to what hundreds of thousands of people moving from a war conflict might incur into is pretty rational.

The fact that alt-right uses some genuine arguments every now and then is not surprising, since even a broken clock gives the right time twice a day.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/05/asia/ramadan-violence/


Anyways, Saudi Arabia sucks, Europe accepts a fraction of the refugees that the Middle East does despite being far richer, and you're still a racist.

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« Reply #590 on: November 26, 2016, 12:33:45 AM »

 :gurl

FYI, I am officially over the term normalized like teachable moment.

Every year there seems to be a new one. 4-5 years ago it was 'problematic'.

Oh stop being so gross, it's not good for your optics  :doge

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« Reply #591 on: November 26, 2016, 12:41:06 AM »
Anyways, Saudi Arabia sucks, Europe accepts a fraction of the refugees that the Middle East does despite being far richer, and you're still a racist.

But they're not part of the european union? Also as I said it's not primarily a problem of money. It's a cultural problem plus legit death threats to all of the western world. Not twitter death threats, the real thing. I saw recently the video of the two guys from the France massacre (bataclan)beheading a couple guys saying: you're next france. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. call me a racist for having no such thing as racial prejudice, but merely an intellectual prejudice against certain ideas that affect the western values. I could say "show me the receipts", but since I see you're uneducated enough to follow the trend to call racism to something that clearly isn't racism (if you wanted you could stretch it to a mixed bag of xenophobia and me being a bigot [which is a self-defeating word that should cease to exist, as using it to shut down an argument reflects intolerance towards others opinions, which in return makes you a bigot], but apparently you need to make it casual).

also richer.... not in relative terms.

Take for example: Qatar, with the one of the highest GDP per capita in the world?

It had in 2015 nearly the GDP per capita of italy, france and spain combined. But considering how they actually treat workers for the World Cup, eh... I guess not.



Also I stand now corrected on the idea that being a pilgrimage ground would make them cease violence.
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« Reply #592 on: November 26, 2016, 12:43:10 AM »
I can't wait until all of Europe is a slave to the Caliph. That was the most fedora shit I ever had the misfortune to skim.

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« Reply #593 on: November 26, 2016, 12:44:00 AM »
 :mindblown

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« Reply #594 on: November 26, 2016, 12:48:03 AM »
Dude, I wish curly calling you racist shut down discussion. You just keep on going though.

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« Reply #595 on: November 26, 2016, 12:57:16 AM »
I can't wait until all of Europe is a slave to the Caliph. That was the most fedora shit I ever had the misfortune to skim.

Gotta love that hyperbole though. I guess it's impossible to empathize with people who were murdered by a war that extended to Europe. A war they never took part in and were most certainly against. A war that given the signs of weakening in the original territory will no doubt try to appeal to their death-ridden extreme ideologies to make a mess wherever they can. Hopefully no one I care about will face the consequences of that.

Then again i'm kinda pragmatic about life. A judge recently conceded provisional permit to an inmate that raped and stabbed women in the neck 14 years ago. She incorrectly gave the greenlight to that permit, and he did it again. A woman was left for dead after being raped because the system failed to protect her. In my eyes this poor judgement by the system (public function executives and politicians), has to be met with the highest scrutiny, meaning they inhabilitation in the case of such poor judgement. In my eyes, the concept known as the migrant crisis is a disaster made in Europe. Maybe done differently it wouldn't have been such a disaster, but it was. We don't get to talk in "what ifs" after it happens.
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« Reply #596 on: November 26, 2016, 01:08:41 AM »
Honestly don't even know what you're saying at this point

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« Reply #597 on: November 26, 2016, 01:15:46 AM »
more like dumbon amirte

seriously why are any of you are actually entertaining discussion with a guy who's hot a goddamn fear and loathing avatar and a dude posting borderline neonazi shit (probably, I stopped reading after he said he felt right nationalism rising inside him) complete with sub-infowars youtube videos

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« Reply #598 on: November 26, 2016, 01:16:58 AM »
it never occurred to me that Robert Mugabe was actually older than Fidel flipping Castro. Must have the same nutritionist as Cheney.

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« Reply #599 on: November 26, 2016, 01:26:46 AM »
Honestly don't even know what you're saying at this point

My take is:

-The concept of the migrant crisis is about how Europe turned a blind eye then was forced to look at it due to sentimental cases like the baby kid in the beach who had drowned.
-Everything was done as quickly as possible. Infrastructure for a correct mobilization was not developed due to time constraints and public opinion
-things went south fast

Imo the first migration wave should've been to those conditioned camps in the period where they weren't being used (and if they were, tough luck, war won't stop because you have to pray sorry). Then Europe would've had the time to build an infrastructure to ease the process of migration.

Everything was poorly done. It was a shoddy work that might have consequences we're not ready for. Hence the word might. I just hope that in the case it happens, it isn't to anyone I care about. And what I want the most is responsability. Citizens choose their leaders (somewhat), but when they make choices like these without a solid plan, the feeling of neglect starts to extend amongst them. People call it fearmongering, but in reality most of it is the feel that the politician is out of touch. Sure Hollande, "we will not give in to terrorists". you wanker will never suffer a terrorist attack yourself, but your citizens and the country suffered three in a row. When the citizen feels that he doesn't have any say in decisions that might have an impact on the whole society, new trends happen.

And this is why the right nationalism is rising on Europe, which was the first point I was making. Aside from saying i'd vote for Trump, which is a thing that I might be saying as a foreigner, but I wouldn't actually vote for nationalists in my country, so it feels like a pretty weak argument based on an hypothetical situation.

Then I also added the concept of cultural unavoidable differences. is that a lie? No, it isn't. Right now between the bad organization, the lack of language and the implicit terror threat that elevated security everywhere (I can attest to that, there's more police, you see them armed with smgs on key points where they never used to be)... well, it's just a pressure cooker about to blow up. Not blow up like WW3 doomsday scenario, but an implosion within the society, which is actually dividing every country at some level.

Goodnight.

and a dude posting borderline neonazi shit (probably, I stopped reading after he said he felt right nationalism rising inside him) complete with sub-infowars youtube videos

I poorly worded that one, i meant to say I kinda understood where the support comes from, for other reasons. I despise violence, and I know there's been xenophobe physical attacks that I absolutely condemn.

I guess I am a "race traitor" though, since probably 40% of my genes are actually from the Alandalus period of mixed race. I'm totally mixed race (if middle eastern is a race). I've seen legit ISIS fighters that look 80% like me. One actually got beheaded so that kinda felt like... damn, weird.
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