US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Tripon]

all this bickering over rand paul 
mans an ass, not much more to it

Who was the last person to shut down congress all on his own? 

[OnlyRegret]

Maybe coronavirus is the virus and human decency is the cure.

That requires some humanity to be present; it's in scarce supply in some environs.

Didn't you get like 0 for compassion score in one of the various quizzes people share here?

Ah, here we go. Thank you search bar.

For shiggles:

Your scores:
Care 0%
Loyalty 19%
Fairness 33%
Authority 61%
Purity 17%
Liberty 100%
Your strongest moral foundation is Liberty.
Your morality is closest to that of a Libertarian.

I dunno, it's just asking what's morally permissible; a lot of things are permissible without being optimal.

[VomKriege]

I am the Ultimate Life Form !

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/1242224646088527872

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1242533762375827456
 

[FStop7]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1242533762375827456
 

Is he still in his green screen hospital room?

[Mandark]

In terms of how much emotion and feelings should be driving politics; which, of course it shouldn't at all, so the score isn't objectionable at all.

Have you read your own posts?

[Van Cruncheon]

jaydubya on the economic consequences of a pandemic: "emotion and feelings shouldn't drive politics"

jaydubya on abortions: "it's murder! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

[Van Cruncheon]

and oh yes, this thread is now officially LIT

[Mandark]

JD, I think you missed this in the Corona thread so I'm gonna crosspost it here.

Stores should raise the prices; that would be the appropriate thing for them to do, and it works out better for everyone.

If say, toilet paper... if toilet paper costs what it appropriately should right now given the sudden scarcity, people who need it would have it available to buy in the store at the correct price instead of panicked randos buying it up cheap because the stores can't - by law - make the adjustment they should.  Increasing the price means said randos can't walk away with so much and wouldn't want to in the first place.  This also obviously incentivizes increased production.

Same principle where concerts don't cost what they should and scalpers swoop in and take profits because they get what people are actually willing to pay.

The concert example shows the opposite of what you think it does: an efficient* market for Rolling Stones tickets results in a lot of people who like the Rolling Stones not seeing them live. Which is fine, not everyone needs to see the Rolling Stones. But it does not "work out better for everyone." Likewise, raising the price of toilet paper will not ensure that everyone has access to toilet paper.

I hope this clears things up for you. Cheers, buddy.

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*In the sense of finding a clearing price with no transaction or information costs blah blah blah.

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[OnlyRegret]

here is some news for a certain someone

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238364-greta-thunberg-says-she-may-have-had-covid-19-and-has-self-isolated/

[CatsCatsCats]

Daddy Crunch plz get me a work from home job so I can live

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/tristan_puig/status/1242549724911030272
 

[VomKriege]

How long before Trump start calling it the "New York virus" ?

[stufte]

How long before Trump starts shitting on Governors and Mayors who refuse to follow his "presidential guidelines"?

[Propagandhim]

Muh
Libertuh

[stufte]

I think he's already done that. But the ones that don't seem to have any intention of "opening things up" in the next 2-3 weeks, not the ones refusing to do any type of shutdowns at all.

Yah I should have specified. That's who I meant.

[Nintex]

Historic: Dow rebounds more than 11% in best day since March 15, 1933

The blood god accepts the sacrifice

[Mandark]

I've been trying to game out how this goes if Trump really wants to open things back up for business.

Most of the shutdown is happening at the direction of private businesses and state and local governments. So technically that's out of his hands. But the federal government's the only institution that can act as spender of last resort; if Trump stops the machine from going brrr it will force the hands of businesses, governors, mayors etc.

But if Trump tries to reopen the country in a couple weeks, that will be a couple weeks of increasingly high diagnosis and death figures, stories about overwhelmed hospitals, and more and more people being just one or two degrees of separation from someone who's been seriously affected by the virus. It will be that much harder to go against reality, but he and the Republican party are pretty staggeringly bad.

[Nintex]

The only thing we can be certain of is that at this rate either Dr. Birx or Dr. Fauci becomes the target of a tweet storm and earns a new nickname.

I'm going with Dr. Faucet dripping to the fake news.
Or maybe he makes up an affair between the two.

[VomKriege]

I think he literally just doesn't believe it'll get that bad. When thousands of people are dying he'll give up on the fantasy.

Yeah that's why I think he doesn't understand the "exponential" bit and how fast deaths can start piling up in just a few weeks. Less than a month ago Italy had only 20 deaths or so.

If this kills more people than the flu does yearly (a deflection he used less than two weeks ago) in just a matter of months, a scenario that is not totally impossible, I don't know how he can spin that.

Or he'll just pass the buck to New York and big coastal cities, but I'm not sure playing the blame game over a big pile of US citizens will go over well with most people.

[Joe Molotov]

I am the Ultimate Life Form !

[curly]

Once again the two parties reveal themselves to be caretakers of capitalism vs insane death cult of capitalism

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/JoeConchaTV/status/1242574287447437312

Kudlow has turned 2 trillion into 6 trillion 

[jakefromstatefarm]

[snip]

like that tweet that got buried a while back mentioned, any adequate response to a public health crisis like this is in direct conflict with the kind of governance the gop’s championed over the last ~40 years. the current administration’s peculiar incompetencies are obv important here, but really only as a catalyst/exacerbator. the most obvious takeaway is that this whole things indicative of a structural failure of the way we’ve ‘chosen’ to organize resources, labor, and wealth; investors in america literally can’t go 20 days of uncertainty/shutdown without erasing 4 years of growth. we’re about to surpass a poorer country thats 4 times our size in total confirmed cases tomorrow, and the federal goverment’s -including some democratic party deficit hawks- answer to everything is that we have to choose between hundreds of thousands of innocent people dead vs. 20% unemployment.

im not optimistic about this proving to play a decisive role in discrediting the donald in november, either. theyve already been recasting the terms of the crisis to allow themselves to redirect the blame towards a foreign threat. 35% of america being fox newsed into thinking this was the year of the kung flu and reupping at the ballot box for their strongman who does nothing seems like a live option.

[Nintex]

Case in point the Trump campaign is shamelessly using charity and citizens taking action for their own campaign

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1242580148702130176

[james]

https://twitter.com/JoeConchaTV/status/1242574287447437312

Kudlow has turned 2 trillion into 6 trillion 

Quick someone start a list of things we couldn't afford before because they cost like 2 billion and that's a big scary number

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1242576138142187527

larry delivers the brrrrrr

[Propagandhim]

Gotta be honest, I still don't understand the conditions for the direct relief part of the bill.  Are they simply expanding unemployment insurance + small business loans or are they actually sending out checks to people?

[Nintex]

Gotta be honest, I still don't understand the conditions for the direct relief part of the bill.  Are they simply expanding unemployment insurance + small business loans or are they actually sending out checks to people?

From what I understand 4+ trillion will be printed by the Fed to pump into the stock markets.

Next there's a couple tens of billions for hospital things and after negotiation some grants for Democrat hobby's like the Kennedy Center for Arts and Solar Panels. Mnuchin will get $500 billion to bail out Boeing and others but the oversight board will be diverse because Ivanka will be on it. The small businesses can get loans they have to repay and workers will get a check between $200 and $1500 per person depending on their tax history.

In other words, about 80% of that money either directly or indirectly ends up at Wall Street.

But remember Tim from Apple, Ethan from She'll and Mike from Doodlygook are really worried about your health and safety in these difficult times
and would like to offer you a free 7 day trial for Balloon Pop to kill the time as we all come together to stop the spread this virus.

[james]

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Propagandhim]

Boy, it's gonna suck if that fed loan does fuck all in the backdrop of all this death.

[Nintex]

I still wonder how we went from: "FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY" and "AUSTERITY" to "lmao let's do another 6 trillion"

As James would say, the austerity measures of a billion in savings from school lunches here or there were like masturbating into a forest fire when we look at the numbers the world is about to spend.
If we add the 65 billion of the Dutch, 50 billion from the French, the 2 trillion the Fed had already pumped last week and the 500 billion from Germany, 500 billion from UK as well as the 3(?) trillion from the ECB the numbers are simply staggering.

We're looking at a 10 trillion bailout of the world economy.

[Mandark]

If we add the 65 billion of the Dutch, 50 billion from the French, the 2 trillion the Fed had already pumped last week and the 500 million from Germany as well as the 3(?) trillion from the ECB the numbers are simply staggering.

lmao including the dutch which is about 1% of the total of those numbers you just listed

just like that time Kobe Bryant and Kwame Brown scored a combined 84 points

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1242589583185006594

 

[stufte]

[stufte]

Die from Corona virus to own the libs.

 

[OnlyRegret]

it a take more common than you'd think apparently

https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1242440826317344768

[OnlyRegret]

Can't say climate change denial or anything of the sort from these people surprises me now.

https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1240781118623842304

[Propagandhim]

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1242512626594320384

A few weeks of quarantine is like storming the beaches of Normandy to these human dildos. 

[james]

Conservatives and suicide pacts name a better pair

[stufte]

It's "name a more iconic duo", James. Jesus, get your shit together.

[Dickie Dee]

https://twitter.com/FullFrontalSamB/status/1242584515253600259

[Dickie Dee]

https://twitter.com/DerekSheen/status/1242598160364527616

[ToxicAdam]

Weren’t these the people railing about “death panels” a decade ago?

[Mandark]

twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1242512626594320384

The WW2 generation are ~95 years old now.

I can see why she wouldn't want to bring up Vietnam. Given that it's Candace Owens, I can also believe that she watched some Avengers movies and got confused by Captain America.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1242558278653149188

So Candace Owens is against economic sanctions now?

[Trent Dole]

Candace was pretty recently fairly anti Don
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/the-newest-star-of-the-trump-movement-ran-a-trump-bashing
Whatever brings in the bucks I guess

[Mandark]

IIRC Owens was anti-Gamergate and was considering a site based on doxxing GG participants? But then other anti-GG people said that was a bad idea, and she reacted against their criticism by going hard right? Something dumb like that.

[VomKriege]

IIRC Owens was anti-Gamergate and was considering a site based on doxxing GG participants? But then other anti-GG people said that was a bad idea, and she reacted against their criticism by going hard right? Something dumb like that.

Yes. An anti-bullying online database. When she got flak for it and received support from Wank Dad quarters she "became a conservative overnight" (her words). That's all egocentrism and being a kneejerk contrarian.

[VomKriege]

I think he literally just doesn't believe it'll get that bad. When thousands of people are dying he'll give up on the fantasy.

Yeah that's why I think he doesn't understand the "exponential" bit and how fast deaths can start piling up in just a few weeks. Less than a month ago Italy had only 20 deaths or so.

If this kills more people than the flu does yearly (a deflection he used less than two weeks ago) in just a matter of months, a scenario that is not totally impossible, I don't know how he can spin that.

Or he'll just pass the buck to New York and big coastal cities, but I'm not sure playing the blame game over a big pile of US citizens will go over well with most people.

Honestly I don't think he cares about the deaths. The stock market and economy is his main priority. He has shown he's more than willing to let people die from COVID, repeatedly using flu and car crash deaths as a reason to just ignore it and continue as normal.

I hope there's a fatality threshold above which most people will held him accountable. But maybe even that is too optimistic and that his team is betting that national unity in tragedy will be enough to coast by and that they have a better shot at surviving this than a "bad economy". Maybe they're right.

[Tripon]

Edit: Deleted tweet because I couldn't find the original yahoo news tweet for it.

[FStop7]

https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1242589583185006594

 

Every fucker who says this stuff had better gown up and work in a triage ward at their local hospital or they’re getting coughed on.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

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Muh
Libertuh

[james]

Why are females so attractive and males so unattractive

[benjipwns]

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Muh
Libertuh

STILL I RISE

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that's what her tattoo says

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[benjipwns]

twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1242558278653149188

Any WWII vets out there willing to lay down their life for the stock market? Any active-duty soldiers willing to die for the Dow?

[Uncle]

[benjipwns]

The workers have spoken: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/24/biden-labor-primary-unions-147115

First came the National Education Association. Then the United Food and Commercial Workers. The American Federation of Teachers came next, and the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees followed.

Joe Biden has racked up endorsements from four of the largest — and most politically influential — unions in the past 10 days, a show of force that has bolstered his standing as the de facto Democratic nominee for president and dealt a serious blow to Bernie Sanders’ flickering hopes.

“Bernie has a real decision to make,” AFT President Randi Weingarten said without explicitly calling on Sanders to drop out.

“I’m optimistic that Bernie always finds a way to meet the moment, and I’m optimistic he’ll meet the moment here. It’s obvious to me Joe Biden has earned this,” Weingarten said.

“Certainly, it’s a signal to Bernie Sanders that progressives and the Democratic Party are consolidating behind Joe Biden’s candidacy,” said Steve Rosenthal, a top national union consultant and former political director for AFL-CIO.

“These endorsements are extremely significant and come at an important time when three of the most progressive organizations — because NEA, AFT and AFSCME are not just labor unions, they’re three of the most progressive organizations in the United States — decide to weigh in,” Rosenthal said.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Let's ask ourselves, do you want a president who succumbs to the system, or do you want someone who has no ego and is willing to down in flames fighting for what's right?


The entire system is burning down in front of our eyes, and we need someone with conviction to build it back up brick by brick.