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« Reply #900 on: December 06, 2016, 12:45:16 PM »
:lol does he understand airforce one isn't just a regular plane?

Adjusting for inflation, the last two planes (because one is a backup I guess) cost $1.5 billion in today's money. And they lasted 30 years so they probably aren't as spry as they used to be.

First articles on this seems to suggest that the contract is expected to be 1,6b$ for the next two planes and that a standard commercial 747 of that model is 350m$ or so, double the price for a custom model with all sorts of classified capabilities doesn't sound that outrageous. Trump's figure is maybe with the added maintenance (which musn't be cheap).
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« Reply #901 on: December 06, 2016, 12:51:31 PM »
So how many jobs will get killed when Trump axes the Boeing deal?
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« Reply #902 on: December 06, 2016, 12:53:25 PM »
Eh, I actually agree with him on this one. There's probably several times over the cost just in glut.
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« Reply #903 on: December 06, 2016, 01:00:15 PM »
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« Reply #904 on: December 06, 2016, 01:02:47 PM »
Eh, I actually agree with him on this one. There's probably several times over the cost just in glut.
Yeah there's usually a lot of BS consultant work on those projects.

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« Reply #905 on: December 06, 2016, 01:04:09 PM »
Is there any other kind of consultant work? :hitler
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« Reply #906 on: December 06, 2016, 01:13:08 PM »
Eh, I actually agree with him on this one. There's probably several times over the cost just in glut.

As usual, the problem is as much the substance of the argument as the way of making it. Efficient procurement is surely as decent a debate as any... but not with a couple of tweets and hot-takes.

I mean "Cancel order !" :comeon
Dude in two months will be able to order whoever is in charge to look into the deal and seek better terms.
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« Reply #907 on: December 06, 2016, 01:16:44 PM »
Cheap out on Air Force One, brehs.
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« Reply #908 on: December 06, 2016, 01:40:24 PM »
He should see how much the F-35 project costs.

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« Reply #909 on: December 06, 2016, 02:08:32 PM »
He should see how much the F-35 project costs.

I'm sure the MIC already has someone whose only job is to keep that sort of info away from our shitgibbon-elect.
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« Reply #910 on: December 06, 2016, 02:19:53 PM »
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« Reply #911 on: December 06, 2016, 02:28:42 PM »
He should see how much the F-35 project costs.

What's the current status on this thing ? Can the allies invested in the program expect to be delivered before undue stress to their current air forces ?
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« Reply #912 on: December 06, 2016, 02:29:09 PM »
He should see how much the F-35 project costs.

I'm sure the MIC already has someone whose only job is to keep that sort of info away from our shitgibbon-elect.

That's to fully replace all jet fighters we have with a stealth variant. Which also cost much more to run per flight hour due to that stealth paint sloughing off. I'm not saying it's a necessary program but the costs are slightly more understandable.

I really hope they plan to keep a bunch of f16s and A10s just to use as beaters when fighting in low-threat environments like against militias in converted pickups.

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« Reply #913 on: December 06, 2016, 03:20:44 PM »
He should see how much the F-35 project costs.

What's the current status on this thing ? Can the allies invested in the program expect to be delivered before undue stress to their current air forces ?

Kind of like BF4, right? It's being delivered now to the US and allies unfinished and with a lot of patches and DLC it's going to be p. cool. I don't think there's really any stress on any Air Forces because what can compete with it? The Chinese J-21 is exactly what you'd think it'd be, a cheap Chinese knockoff. Russia's nowhere near a 5th gen fighter.

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« Reply #914 on: December 06, 2016, 03:23:11 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/my-post-election-crisis-a-top-hillary-fundraisers_us_583d2ae0e4b0bb2962f17854?ez45ufiaj9ssjor
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I tumbled from quite the perch of high expectations. An official “Hillblazer,” I raised $187,000 for Hillary Clinton and down-ballot Democrats, mostly by selling tickets to events headlined by first-name-basis gay icons — Cher, Barbra, Hillary herself. (I was at the September gala when she dropped the “deplorables” line.) I canvassed in New York for our state’s primary and in Pennsylvania during the general. I phone banked, I recruited. To social media, I became The Hillary Guy, famous for my ever-buoyant posts and pictures about my candidate of choice.

I capped it all off by marshaling a rotating brigade of 22 out-of-town campaign volunteers during a four-day door-knocking effort in Philadelphia leading into Election Day. So feverish was my commitment that I embarked on the exhausting long weekend only a week into a shaky recovery from an emergency appendectomy.

My fundraising scored me the hottest ticket in town: entrance to the VIP wing of the would-be election Victory Party at the Javits Center in Manhattan. (It has a glass ceiling!) I bounded into the space at 6 o’clock in a frolic of an outfit: a red belt, white skinny jeans, and a blue Hillary-as-Rosie-the-Riveter T-shirt, my hair lavishly coiffed into a confident pompadour.

At first the sprawling party was a lark. I hobnobbed and table hopped. I couldn’t wait for a catharsis 25 years in the making. My only concern was the inevitable hangover.

Then came the 9 o’clock hour. Results from battleground states trickled in and an incredulous anxiety took hold. I left the VIP party area for a spell and stood with the expectant crowd before the elaborate victory speech stage. Staring saucer-eyed at the CNN screen above the set, I began to worry that my conspicuous outfit made me a sitting duck for the army of television cameras.

Sure enough, just as I bolted back to the VIP area, I got a text from a worried friend who had spotted me on MSNBC. “Are you alright?” he asked.

“I want to die,” I replied.

The sight of the huddled masses of party-goers stooped nervously over their cell phones was so unbearably foreboding, I escaped into a stairwell. There, the past year of my life caught up with me: the sudden death of my dearest friend’s fiancé, followed by the sudden death of my dearest cousin’s husband; my broken heart over a guy who didn’t share my feelings for him; a hobbling sports injury; the steady march of deadlines in my work as a science journalist; chronic migraines; major abdominal surgery; and of course the gnawing stress of the presidential campaign, ever driven by the fear that an unhinged demagogue would rise to power.

I texted a flare to my friend and plus-one, Sean, who soon appeared in the stairwell and cradled me in my hysterics. We kept in touch with a therapist friend of mine, Austin, through phone and text. Austin strongly urged me to leave the party. Hearing that I was suicidal, he proposed that I have myself committed.
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I seemed to be the only garden variety anxious-depressive in the ward, and was probably the only one gainfully employed, certainly the sole Ivy League grad. As far as I could estimate, most of the two dozen or so other men and women were homeless or unstably housed and largely suffered from psychosis.

The psych ward was the floor they couldn’t fall below. Or in political terms, it was the safety net. Mostly black or brown, these were the people at the very bottom of the totem pole, the ones Democrats strive to protect and Republicans see as a burden best left out in the cold. Even I, for all my fortune in life, was there among them in the hospital only thanks to the grace of progressive politics, with my Affordable Care Act marketplace health plan picking up the tab.
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The other patients gabbed about the election with a mixture of bemusement and rambunctious excitement over the sheer lunacy of the outcome. They cracked jokes about Trump’s wall, and who among them would get deported first. The election seemed an abstraction to them, as consequential as the outcome of the latest season of “The Apprentice.” Washington, DC, is a world away when you’re living with schizophrenia on the streets.

TV really was the enemy. I dashed out of the common room whenever any political news came on. Otherwise I sat confounded by morning talk shows. What on God’s green earth did Rachael Ray still have to grin about? (Thanksgiving leftover recipes.) Why was Kelly Ripa, perky as ever, wasting her breath probing the actress who played Lady Mary on “Downton Abbey” for details about her summer vacation? It was all just so surreal.
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The empty hours, the complete inability to do any work, guided me toward a Zen state. I let the fear of a Trump presidency seep in from time to time—What if Ruth Bader Ginsburg dies? But mostly I looked for kernels of hope. Concerned friends and family who kept me company over the hallway payphone told me I wasn’t alone in my anguish, and that a wide network of others were mobilized to rise up and fight back. The world needed my voice. I mattered.

When I sat down with the supervising psychiatrist to talk over my discharge request, she broke the fourth wall, giving voice to her own anxieties and shock over the Trump victory. It was the first time I’d ever commiserated peer-to-peer with a mental health professional while under her care. I wish I could have reassured her.

Poetically, I was given my walking orders at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month. I was now a veteran of institutional care — shell shocked, but on my feet.

“Don’t come back, Ryan,” a nurse admonished as I crossed the red line toward an uncertain freedom. “You don’t belong here.”

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« Reply #915 on: December 06, 2016, 03:35:04 PM »
He should see how much the F-35 project costs.

What's the current status on this thing ? Can the allies invested in the program expect to be delivered before undue stress to their current air forces ?

Kind of like BF4, right? It's being delivered now to the US and allies unfinished and with a lot of patches and DLC it's going to be p. cool. I don't think there's really any stress on any Air Forces because what can compete with it? The Chinese J-21 is exactly what you'd think it'd be, a cheap Chinese knockoff. Russia's nowhere near a 5th gen fighter.

The stress is not really a matter of air superiority (I don't expect any major air battle anytime soon), but rather that delays might force allies to either extend the service of tired airframes or have to look for stop gap solutions to keep intact expeditionary & air campaigns capacities intact. I'm not really up to date but for instance the British are waiting after theirs to ultimately have something to put on their next aircraft carrier, aren't they ? The longer without both those pieces, the longer the gap is for them (as I learn through a quick googling that the Royal Navy has currently no carriers at all).
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« Reply #916 on: December 06, 2016, 04:18:32 PM »
But what is a "gap"? Like you said, you don't expect any major air battles anytime soon. It seems to me a gap is a construct used by our various defense departments and industries to build new and more expensive stuff. Nothing wrong with using current airframes or even bringing back old ones like the US has done with the OV-10.

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« Reply #917 on: December 06, 2016, 04:34:20 PM »
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Chris Christie is in historic poll territory. (Not the good kind.)

And two new polls out Tuesday serve as a reminder that as bad as things have gotten, there's still room for him to fall even further. A poll from Quinnipiac University suggests that just 19 percent of New Jerseyans approve of the job Christie (R) has done, while a whopping 77 percent disapprove. And another poll from Fairleigh Dickinson University puts those numbers as 18 percent and 73 percent, respectively. In both cases, four times as many disapprove of Christie as approve.

Those are about as bad as it gets for a politician who isn't about to be forced out. A look back through recent scandal-ridden statewide politicians shows the only one in worse shape in recent years was former Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich (D).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/06/chris-christie-is-in-historic-poll-territory-not-the-good-kind/?utm_term=.7ec0628b1984

Stay tuned to see how the Dems fuck this one up
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« Reply #918 on: December 06, 2016, 04:41:13 PM »
Eh, I actually agree with him on this one. There's probably several times over the cost just in glut.
Maybe? Probably to some extent. I'd want a more concrete breakdown personally.

Trump is the last person I am going to take his word at face value  :lol....Plus there is shit like this that makes you wonder what the ulterior motive may be?

Though reading the NYTimes piece on it and his other stuff today, this is probably playing to the fiscal conservatives while the SoftBank stuff is speaking to his populist base. Ironic though that Boeing is a major U.S. manufacturer in Missouri that has been active in re-shoring jobs and SoftBank is likely mostly BS fluff numbers that will do little for the rust belt or rural communities.

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« Reply #919 on: December 06, 2016, 04:54:32 PM »
Eh, maybe it's because I deal with CEOs all day that I'm used to this off the cuff kind of stuff. A CEO is rarely thoughtful they're used to saying stuff like "the cost is too high!" And everyone scrambles to do something lest they cut off funding or go somewhere else. I suspect that this is what we're going to get from Trump. Usually smart ceos fix this problem by having smart people work for them. But seeing bus team? I'm not hopeful. Also, CEO's hate to take over stuff someone else had negotiated or done. There is nothing good unless they themselves did it. So I suspect that trump is going to go off and try to renegotiate everything and where he can't he'll complain loudly about it. It only sorta works in business, in government? It'll be a disaster
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« Reply #920 on: December 06, 2016, 04:57:25 PM »
I got ya, good points. Definitely fits Trump's persona.

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« Reply #921 on: December 06, 2016, 05:10:29 PM »
But what is a "gap"? Like you said, you don't expect any major air battles anytime soon. It seems to me a gap is a construct used by our various defense departments and industries to build new and more expensive stuff. Nothing wrong with using current airframes or even bringing back old ones like the US has done with the OV-10.

I'd say the Royal Navy having to wait until 2020 (expected timeline as of now) to regain the ability it lost 6 years ago (IIRC) of operating combat aircraft from their naval carrier(s), when it is deemed core to their strategy and had actually seen use in one of their not so far off major conventional engagements, is a real gap in their capabilities and their ability to project force. I believe the RAF may reach historic lows in combat aircraft numbers in coming years until being delivered their F35, as well.

And while there's maybe no major air battle to be fought anytime soon, bombing campaigns involving key European armies will certainly continue to be a thing for a fair number of years and require to have enough airframes to be able to conduct them while doing all the usual missions of home defence. Considering the uncertainty of the upcoming US administration's commitment to NATO and as a Frenchman, I'd be more at ease with a key defence partner regaining some of that capacity sooner than later instead of relying on the kindness of strangers should a crisis erupt.

I know the delays and cost have stirred up controversy in Israël, Australia, Canada or Australia, but I'm less familiar with their Air Force needs which are probably not as urgent as those of the British.
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« Reply #922 on: December 06, 2016, 05:23:14 PM »
But what is a "gap"? Like you said, you don't expect any major air battles anytime soon. It seems to me a gap is a construct used by our various defense departments and industries to build new and more expensive stuff. Nothing wrong with using current airframes or even bringing back old ones like the US has done with the OV-10.

I'd say the Royal Navy having to wait until 2020 (expected timeline as of now) to regain the ability it lost 6 years ago (IIRC) of operating combat aircraft from their naval carrier(s), when it is deemed core to their strategy and had actually seen use in one of their not so far off major conventional engagements, is a real gap in their capabilities and their ability to project force. I believe the RAF may reach historic lows in combat aircraft numbers in coming years until being delivered their F35, as well.

And while there's maybe no major air battle to be fought anytime soon, bombing campaigns involving key European armies will certainly continue to be a thing for a fair number of years and require to have enough airframes to be able to conduct them while doing all the usual missions of home defence. Considering the uncertainty of the upcoming US administration's commitment to NATO and as a Frenchman, I'd be more at ease with a key defence partner regaining some of that capacity sooner than later instead of relying on the kindness of strangers should a crisis erupt.

I know the delays and cost have stirred up controversy in Israël, Australia, Canada or Australia, but I'm less familiar with their Air Force needs which are probably not as urgent as those of the British.

F-35 is a convenient scapegoat and its costs and delays are ridiculous, but European Air Forces were small, ineffective, and reliant on the US before the F-35 project started, so I'm not sure we can blame it for that.

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« Reply #923 on: December 06, 2016, 05:37:36 PM »
Well yeah it's not a matter of blame, Brits entered the F35 thing as a level 1 partner by themselves :yeshrug I clarified what I meant by possible stress incurred by delays in my original question as to what the status of the whole thing was.
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« Reply #924 on: December 06, 2016, 06:03:11 PM »
Cheap out on Air Force One, brehs.

The Donald only got pissed when he realized it wouldn't be covered in gold leaf.

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« Reply #925 on: December 06, 2016, 06:17:12 PM »
Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen is expected to transit via the USA on an official visit to Guatemala, much to the distaste of the People's Republic of China :
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN13U2W2?il=0

Trip is planned a little before Trump will take office, I'd expect some theatrics then.
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« Reply #926 on: December 06, 2016, 06:32:27 PM »
Dunno what they expect to accomplish. Taiwan only sorta needs the US, but without China they're completely fucked.
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« Reply #927 on: December 06, 2016, 07:39:29 PM »
Dunno what they expect to accomplish. Taiwan only sorta needs the US, but without China they're completely fucked.

Well, making a step forward then back leaves you at the same place instead of just getting slowly pushed under the bus. Arranging such a spectacular coup with Trump is a positive sign towards getting to keep at least the current security provisions (arms supply and US guarantee) and getting some publicity for their plight among American voters.

As for Trump, setting aside the whole suspicion he is leveraging his office for personal profit, I get the feeling he thinks China is the #1 threat to the USA. He either wants to show them who's boss and / or bluff his way to a better bargaining position.
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« Reply #929 on: December 06, 2016, 08:37:24 PM »
The attempts to equate this to Obama's Cuba policy just blow my fucking mind. Our Cuba policy made zero sense, and shifting had literally no downside or threat to the status quo. Whereas a Taiwan-centric policy shift pisses off a nuclear power that is already emboldened by the failure of TPP and already overly aggressive in the region. Not to mention Trump threatening a trade war with China.

what the fuck
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« Reply #930 on: December 06, 2016, 08:47:35 PM »
:yeshrug

MAGA fans are in full spin now and will be at least until he is in office.
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« Reply #931 on: December 06, 2016, 09:09:01 PM »
:yeshrug

MAGA fans are in full spin now and will be at least until he is in office.

What'll happen at the end of four years, when not only will the MAGA fans still be unemployed, but general unemployment numbers will be up?

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« Reply #932 on: December 06, 2016, 09:25:58 PM »
:yeshrug

MAGA fans are in full spin now and will be at least until he is in office.

What'll happen at the end of four years, when not only will the MAGA fans still be unemployed, but general unemployment numbers will be up?

They'll still be white, and minorities will still have been screwed harder than they were. :yeshrug
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« Reply #933 on: December 06, 2016, 09:33:10 PM »
:yeshrug

MAGA fans are in full spin now and will be at least until he is in office.

What'll happen at the end of four years, when not only will the MAGA fans still be unemployed, but general unemployment numbers will be up?
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« Reply #934 on: December 06, 2016, 09:39:18 PM »
gonna just repost that until we give a shit huh syph
you better believe it baby
pretty fucked story if u actually read it breh
Guess we better stick to paragons of journalistic integrity like "the daily wire" huh
must be a tough world where someone posting a single daily wire article has such a lasting impact eh
not to mention how that doesn't discount my point at all

lol I'm just joshin ya buddy. I do think the article being critiqued is more just bad journalism than an indictment of wapo as an institution though. The way they've dealt with the snowden leaks and Greenwald himself is a lot worse than the stuff highlighted there imo

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« Reply #935 on: December 06, 2016, 11:42:48 PM »
The attempts to equate this to Obama's Cuba policy just blow my fucking mind. Our Cuba policy made zero sense, and shifting had literally no downside or threat to the status quo. Whereas a Taiwan-centric policy shift pisses off a nuclear power that is already emboldened by the failure of TPP and already overly aggressive in the region. Not to mention Trump threatening a trade war with China.

what the fuck

In Trump world, his advisors seem to think they are channeling Reagan in the Cold War. Pretending for now the analogy is apt while they toxify the relationship so that eventually it actually will be.

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« Reply #936 on: December 07, 2016, 05:27:16 AM »
http://warontherocks.com/2016/12/mattis-is-outstanding-so-whats-the-problem/

Another article highlighting some of the potential issues linked to Mattis nomination as Secretary of Defense.
Though no matter how good discussion on those issues are, the unhinged-and-only-very-recently-retired scary general possibly steering US foreign policy is probably more Michael Flynn rather than James Mattis who at least will be vetted and confirmed by the legislative branch and doesn't have a reputation of being "crazy" (off comment by a French officer who worked with him).

Still no word for the State Department, rumors now saying Jon Huntsman and the Exxon CEO ( :doge) are being considered.
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« Reply #937 on: December 07, 2016, 07:49:28 AM »
Eh, maybe it's because I deal with CEOs all day that I'm used to this off the cuff kind of stuff. A CEO is rarely thoughtful they're used to saying stuff like "the cost is too high!" And everyone scrambles to do something lest they cut off funding or go somewhere else. I suspect that this is what we're going to get from Trump. Usually smart ceos fix this problem by having smart people work for them. But seeing bus team? I'm not hopeful. Also, CEO's hate to take over stuff someone else had negotiated or done. There is nothing good unless they themselves did it. So I suspect that trump is going to go off and try to renegotiate everything and where he can't he'll complain loudly about it. It only sorta works in business, in government? It'll be a disaster

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« Reply #938 on: December 07, 2016, 09:51:54 AM »
What'll happen at the end of four years, when not only will the MAGA fans still be unemployed, but general unemployment numbers will be up?

Theyll vote for him again because his policies need more time to take effect

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« Reply #940 on: December 07, 2016, 12:53:15 PM »
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Most Republicans are quite content with this system. Appeals to fairness have not persuaded them of the need to amend the Constitution to establish direct presidential elections, preferably with a runoff if no one wins 50% of the vote. Nor does the real chance that a Democrat could win the presidency with fewer votes than a Republican alarm them. Even the taunt, “Are you afraid of a direct election? Can’t you win a straight-up vote?” doesn’t faze them. Democrats must, therefore, pester Republicans where it hurts: the pocketbook.

Is signing a pledge to not pay taxes legal? Yes, if no overt act of conspiracy is involved, and the pledge itself is hypothetical. No one knows when or if it would be carried out.

A national movement not to pay federal taxes in the future would put Republicans on notice: they do not have the right to impose a hard-right, second-place presidency on a moderate nation every dozen or so years. If the Republicans won’t help amend the Constitution so that America can resume being a democracy, then Democrats, lacking the representation that supporters of a future popular vote-winner ought to have in the executive branch, should not submit to paying taxes to the federal government.

How would the pledge work? First, an online group such as MoveOn.org, Change.org or both, should circulate a petition. The pledge is not just a powerful protest; it is also effortless, requiring no legal or financial sacrifice at all for years, possibly decades.

Second, the pledge should only apply to federal taxes. We would still pay state, local, sales and property taxes. This is a protest against our 229-year-old system of electoral votes, not against taxation in general.

Third, if a Republican wins the election without winning the popular vote again, we should still pay what we owe in federal taxes—just not to the IRS. Instead, people would compute their federal taxes, file a Form 1040 and write a check to a national escrow account, preferably in a well-established Canadian or British bank that is beyond the reach of the U.S. Justice Department, because whoever opens this account probably will be in violation of U.S. law. In the check’s memo line, people should write, “Funds to be transferred to the IRS as soon as America resumes being a democracy.”
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The beauty of a no-taxation pledge is that it almost certainly won’t have to be carried out. The mere threat could be enough to propel a Constitutional amendment. If millions sign now, Republicans will know that a third modern Republican runner-up presidency is impossible; Democrats will not be cooperative again.

The cry, “No Taxation Without Representation,” inspired America to declare its independence in 1776. It can also lead to a rebirth of democracy in our own time.

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« Reply #941 on: December 07, 2016, 01:09:50 PM »
George Soros approves of this message.

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« Reply #942 on: December 07, 2016, 01:23:51 PM »
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If millions sign now, Republicans will know that a third modern Republican runner-up presidency is impossible

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« Reply #943 on: December 07, 2016, 01:29:04 PM »
Nothing changes society like a good petition.


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« Reply #944 on: December 07, 2016, 01:39:16 PM »
Any folks fans of the political thriller TV show Braindead?

Ive come to believe that their theory about the bugs is in fact correct.

Someone decided that on this blog post:
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An Update On Access To The Qantas First Class Lounge LAX
A couple of days ago I wrote about how the Qantas First Class Lounge LAX can’t seem to follow oneworld lounge access rules. Representatives at the lounge have been denying many AAdvantage Executive Platinum members access, in particular when they’re on the inbound portion of an international trip, where they absolutely are entitled to access.

This was an appropriate reply:

Love it when California leftist socialism is halted. Good for Qantas making those agents follow the oneworld rules carved in stone!


I mean, you have to have lost half your brain to even get to this point.

And weve all seen it. Posts about a local car crash and someone will bring up libtards or obummers. Weather. kittens. Whatever.

These people are broken and quite frankly, I dont think theres recourse short of a mass euthanasia program

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« Reply #945 on: December 07, 2016, 01:45:07 PM »
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In the check’s memo line, people should write, “Funds to be transferred to the IRS as soon as America resumes being a democracy.”
Wait, this implies that America was a democracy at one point. :ohhh

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« Reply #946 on: December 07, 2016, 01:56:31 PM »
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A couple of days ago I wrote about how the Qantas First Class Lounge LAX can’t seem to follow oneworld lounge access rules. Representatives at the lounge have been denying many AAdvantage Executive Platinum members access, in particular when they’re on the inbound portion of an international trip, where they absolutely are entitled to access.

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« Reply #947 on: December 07, 2016, 03:57:39 PM »
trump and the international politics game is blowing my mind right now. this man literally ran as president without a single clue about basic relationships we learn in college history and pol sci classes

i'm legit shook

this man will have access to nukes

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« Reply #948 on: December 07, 2016, 04:24:15 PM »
Well the guy who sued Colorado for legalizing weed was picked as EPA guy

I hope Trump does a full pot crackdown on day 1.

Suck my ass potheads who voted for Trump. Or stayed home.
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« Reply #949 on: December 07, 2016, 04:35:53 PM »
trump cracking down on weed will not do well for him
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« Reply #950 on: December 07, 2016, 04:37:42 PM »
trump cracking down on weed will not do well for him

Its the one and only silver lining I can see in this horrible timeline

Throw the potheads into prison

Lose their right to vote forever

No more GOP
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« Reply #951 on: December 07, 2016, 04:44:49 PM »
Well the guy who sued Colorado for legalizing weed was picked as EPA guy

I hope Trump does a full pot crackdown on day 1.

Suck my ass potheads who voted for Trump. Or stayed home.

Scott Pruitt is my state's Attorney General. What's incredible about this appointment (and others) is it has never been a better time to be a mediocre minor league Republican who was never going to be groomed for actual power. Appointing Scott Pruitt to head the EPA would be like appointing someone who wants to dismantle public education as Education Secretary. Oh, wait.


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« Reply #952 on: December 07, 2016, 04:53:59 PM »
Trump is radicalizing me
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« Reply #953 on: December 07, 2016, 05:01:51 PM »
trump and the international politics game is blowing my mind right now. this man literally ran as president without a single clue about basic relationships we learn in college history and pol sci classes
yeah, but like most of that stuff is worthless horseshit anyway

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« Reply #954 on: December 07, 2016, 05:02:39 PM »
yeah, but like most of that stuff is worthless horseshit anyway


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« Reply #956 on: December 07, 2016, 05:08:06 PM »
Trump is gonna raise a billion dollars for his re-election campaign...well, unless he's a complete fuck up. Whew.
:whew

see you guys in 8 years
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« Reply #957 on: December 07, 2016, 05:08:33 PM »
ahhhh if you can't beat em, buy your way into politics

my wwe boycott starts now. oh wait, i haven't watched all year.  :doge Sorry NXT.
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« Reply #958 on: December 07, 2016, 05:16:49 PM »
You missed AJ Styles carrying the company all year breh.

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« Reply #959 on: December 07, 2016, 05:18:37 PM »
Trump is gonna raise a billion dollars for his re-election campaign...well, unless he's a complete fuck up. Whew.

But how much of that will be left after everybody gets their cut? :doge
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