US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Samson Manhug]

Some of you guys are so ignorant about women's issues I wonder if you have ever met any.

[agrajag]

You heard it here folks. Women, stop complaining.

[Optimus]

"Organize a massive nonpartisan protest for a single issue or two."

Aight. Which issue(s) and who are you drawing on to attend?

Abortion is the only women's rights issue in this country currently so I suggested that as the main one. Who? Everyone who wants to attend but for the love of God be wary of your organizers and speakers. That's protest 101 stuff.

This is kind of offtopic so you can read it or not: Aside from every other issue with organizers one unforeseen consequence of organizers with their own agendas is that they can hijack your movement for their own interests which given how much Democrats are involved I expect it to happen. So in the scenario that another corporate Democrat is elected all they have to do is pass a few identity politics legislation to pander and continue screwing the country unobstructed since the organizers would have practically dissolved these movements. What we need is organized groups independent from these assholes to be a constant reminder that they have to answer to the people not corporations.

(Image removed from quote.)

Love these posts that avoid to explain which other women's rights issues exist in the country but yet want to express their deep disapproval because it's not politically correct to mention a fact. One of the reasons Trump is gonna stay president in 2020, sensitivity over facts.

I'm honestly struggling to find another, you could say it's paid post-natal  paid leave but there is a problem with paid leave in general in the US because Americans are fucking idiots and never fought for their rights while leaving Unions to be demonized and dissolve, and I'm not just talking about conservatives. Plus if you want true equality post-natal leave should be for both parents.

[Steve Contra]

 

[TakingBackSunday]

Sexual assault
Online harassment
Equal pay
Workplace prejudice and harassment
Body shaming and impossible image standards
Abortion
Birth control
Ingrained bias against women in organizations including education and our armed forces
Still "agreed upon" notion that women are for raising children and being a housemaid
Fear of strong powerful women

Yep, abortion is the only thing to fight for, guys

[etiolate]

They aren't going to quantify their claim.

Meanwhile, that twitter gal is walking back the photochops you kids obsessed over.

edit: Oh wait! Thanks for the comedy BN.

[Joe Molotov]

guys

[FStop7]

If you'd gone to one of the marches you could have asked an actual woman, Optimus.  NOW, Planned Parenthood, and several other groups focused on women had booths.

In fact, I'm pretty sure most of those organizations have websites that have the answers you seek.  Of course it's not like you're actually seeking answers, you're just trying to bait people.  But whatevs.

[Nola]

"Organize a massive nonpartisan protest for a single issue or two."

Aight. Which issue(s) and who are you drawing on to attend?

Abortion is the only women's rights issue in this country currently so I suggested that as the main one. Who? Everyone who wants to attend but for the love of God be wary of your organizers and speakers. That's protest 101 stuff.

This is kind of offtopic so you can read it or not: Aside from every other issue with organizers one unforeseen consequence of organizers with their own agendas is that they can hijack your movement for their own interests which given how much Democrats are involved I expect it to happen. So in the scenario that another corporate Democrat is elected all they have to do is pass a few identity politics legislation to pander and continue screwing the country unobstructed since the organizers would have practically dissolved these movements. What we need is organized groups independent from these assholes to be a constant reminder that they have to answer to the people not corporations.

(Image removed from quote.)

Love these posts that avoid to explain which other women's rights issues exist in the country but yet want to express their deep disapproval because it's not politically correct to mention a fact. One of the reasons Trump is gonna stay president in 2020, sensitivity over facts.

I'm honestly struggling to find another, you could say it's paid post-natal  paid leave but there is a problem with paid leave in general in the US because Americans are fucking idiots and never fought for their rights while leaving Unions to be demonized and dissolve, and I'm not just talking about conservatives. Plus if you want true equality post-natal leave should be for both parents.

For someone that likes to play the role of the smartest guy in the room, it's not a good look to use the ignorance defense for why you hold a viewpoint haha.

I mean, it's the internet, you have to be really lazy to not be able to at least feign minor knowledge about subjects for a paragraph or two.

[TakingBackSunday]

They aren't going to quantify their claim.

Meanwhile, that twitter gal is walking back the photochops you kids obsessed over.

edit: Oh wait! Thanks for the comedy BN.

Wow you really are a piece of shit aren't you?  I never understood why people called you etiolet, but now I do.

[etiolate]

They aren't going to quantify their claim.

Meanwhile, that twitter gal is walking back the photochops you kids obsessed over.

edit: Oh wait! Thanks for the comedy BN.

Wow you really are a piece of shit aren't you?  I never understood why people called you etiolet, but now I do.

Most of what you listed aren't rights. Some of what you listed aren't actual issues. What's left is abortion and birth-control, which fall under the PP umbrella.

Do you know that girls receive more attention in schools and are out-performing boys in schools? That childhood education is a female dominated field? That the removal of physical activity and recess may be hurting boys?

Like explain to me why you think education bias is an issue hurting women when the data says otherwise. Where did you get that idea?

[zomgee]

sexual harassment is not an actual issue

huh

[TakingBackSunday]

They aren't going to quantify their claim.

Meanwhile, that twitter gal is walking back the photochops you kids obsessed over.

edit: Oh wait! Thanks for the comedy BN.

Wow you really are a piece of shit aren't you?  I never understood why people called you etiolet, but now I do.

Most of what you listed aren't rights. Some of what you listed aren't actual issues. What's left is abortion and birth-control, which fall under the PP umbrella.

Do you know that girls receive more attention in schools and are out-performing boys in schools? That childhood education is a female dominated field? That the removal of physical activity and recess may be hurting boys?

Like explain to me why you think education bias is an issue hurting women when the data says otherwise. Where did you get that idea?

I'm talking about administrative roles for women.  Also how girls in school are the focus of so much harassment and negative attention from boys.

And fucking lol.  ALL of those are issues. 

[Steve Contra]

Some people are just fnding out etoilet is an MRA?

[etiolate]

They aren't going to quantify their claim.

Meanwhile, that twitter gal is walking back the photochops you kids obsessed over.

edit: Oh wait! Thanks for the comedy BN.

Wow you really are a piece of shit aren't you?  I never understood why people called you etiolet, but now I do.

Most of what you listed aren't rights. Some of what you listed aren't actual issues. What's left is abortion and birth-control, which fall under the PP umbrella.

Do you know that girls receive more attention in schools and are out-performing boys in schools? That childhood education is a female dominated field? That the removal of physical activity and recess may be hurting boys?

Like explain to me why you think education bias is an issue hurting women when the data says otherwise. Where did you get that idea?

I'm talking about administrative roles for women.  Also how girls in school are the focus of so much harassment and negative attention from boys.

And fucking lol.  ALL of those are issues.

http://dpeaflcio.org/programs-publications/issue-fact-sheets/school-administrators-an-occupational-overview/

While the majority of all educational administrators in 2015 were women (65.7 percent), other sources suggest that women are concentrated in some occupations within the field more than others.

In higher education, women accounted for just 26 percent of college presidencies, while minorities accounted for 14 percent in 2012

So there are specific spots in admin jobs where women are underrepresented. Okay. The next question is why?

Because you have to ignore the whole of the educational field to think women need more attention there. If you want to be so specific to find the fields where women don't dominate to make your case then the question comes to why? And if you answer that why? with "sexism" or "bias", then you have to account for why that bias and sexism doesn't show up anywhere else in the educational field.

So is it a right? It's already a right. Is it an issue? How? What is the real cause and how does it fit within the grander scope?

This isn't to say the lack of female college presidents should be ignored, but that the reason should be looked into rather than assumed. And the decadence of such a cause in comparison to the disparity elsewhere is perhaps evidence that this issue isn't a major cause for women.

Also, "harassment and negative attention from boys" according to what?  I think you forget high school. Teenage girls are brutal to each other. Hell, high schoolers as a whole are socially brutal folk.

[Optimus]

Sexual assault Not rights issue, societal issue that is quite complicated. There are laws against this and not much can be done other than better education for the entire population. You know, the education Obama has been privatizing the last 8 years
Online harassment Males are harassed more online than females
Equal pay wage gap myth, ignored
Workplace prejudice and harassment Not rights issue, societal issue. There are laws against this
Body shaming and impossible image standards Not rights issue, societal issue. Same applies to men with other standards like financial security. Blame nature
Abortion Yes the one I mentioned
Birth control Pretty much the same issue, although not sure where you're getting at with this
Ingrained bias against women in organizations including education and our armed forces Not rights issue, societal issue, the latter is quite easy to understand since women will never reach the standards of men in the armed forces. The former is bullshit
Still "agreed upon" notion that women are for raising children and being a housemaid Not rights issue, societal issue, the former makes perfect sense. Stop denying nature, geniuses
Fear of strong powerful women Not rights issue, societal issue. Also a generalization


There, fixed it, you obviously don't know what a right is.

[benjipwns]

FOX a few minutes ago had on two guests to debate whether it was going to be Trump's fault or General/Secretary Mattis's fault if we don't torture* and America comes under attack from ISIS because of it

*Earlier during the swearing in, Trump said he will defer to Mattis on the issue (I guess he seems to be under the impression that it might be counterproductive so doesn't outright support it) and not override him on the subject

[benjipwns]

BREAKING:

Hillary Clinton garnered more than 800,000 votes from noncitizens on Nov. 8, an approximation far short of President Trump’s estimate of up to 5 million illegal voters but supportive of his charges of fraud.

Political scientist Jesse Richman of Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Virginia, has worked with colleagues to produce groundbreaking research on noncitizen voting, and this week he posted a blog in response to Mr. Trump’s assertion.

Based on national polling by a consortium of universities, a report by Mr. Richman said 6.4 percent of the estimated 20 million adult noncitizens in the U.S. voted in November. He extrapolated that that percentage would have added 834,381 net votes for Mrs. Clinton, who received about 2.8 million more votes than Mr. Trump.

Mr. Richman calculated that Mrs. Clinton would have collected 81 percent of noncitizen votes.

“Is it plausible that non-citizen votes added to Clinton’s margin? Yes,” Mr. Richman wrote. “Is it plausible that non-citizen votes account for the entire nation-wide popular vote margin held by Clinton? Not at all.”

[Optimus]

Can Joe or someone rename Optimus to Starscream? He doesn't deserve to be named after the best Transformer.

Sorry for breaking The Narrative™ with logic and facts.

[Kara]

I couldn't help but notice that Tim "don't purity test me, bro" Kaine--beloved and defended by Boreans whose names have been redacted to protect the guilty--is a perfect 4 for 4 in supporting Trump nominees. Let's here it for Timmy Boy.

And to head off a tired, bankrupt line of response to this at the pass, no one is going to vote for a Potemkin village with a pulse like Tim Kaine in 2018 unless they live in a Democratic enclave where performative party participation is the norm.

[VomKriege]

"For those that don't have our back, we're taking names, we will make points to respond to that accordingly," added Republican President Donald Trump's U.N. envoy.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15B1NG

[Boredfrom]

FOX a few minutes ago had on two guests to debate whether it was going to be Trump's fault or General/Secretary Mattis's fault if we don't torture* and America comes under attack from ISIS because of it

*Earlier during the swearing in, Trump said he will defer to Mattis on the issue (I guess he seems to be under the impression that it might be counterproductive so doesn't outright support it) and not override him on the subject

Trumps tends to dial it down when he feels his BS is hurting him in some way. He will dial it up later when he forgets, but the torture bravado and dog whistling about a new middle east war are probably the dumbest stuff to shit talk about given how hard he insisted being the Peace Candidate.

[Great Rumbler]

Trump maybe kind of hinting at going back into Iraq is especially stupid given how hard he want after Bush for starting that war in the first place.

[benjipwns]

I couldn't help but notice that Tim "don't purity test me, bro" Kaine--beloved and defended by Boreans whose names have been redacted to protect the guilty--is a perfect 4 for 4 in supporting Trump nominees. Let's here it for Timmy Boy.

And to head off a tired, bankrupt line of response to this at the pass, no one is going to vote for a Potemkin village with a pulse like Tim Kaine in 2018 unless they live in a Democratic enclave where performative party participation is the norm.

how you doin

[TakingBackSunday]

Sexual assault Not rights issue, societal issue that is quite complicated. There are laws against this and not much can be done other than better education for the entire population. You know, the education Obama has been privatizing the last 8 years
Online harassment Males are harassed more online than females
Equal pay wage gap myth, ignored
Workplace prejudice and harassment Not rights issue, societal issue. There are laws against this
Body shaming and impossible image standards Not rights issue, societal issue. Same applies to men with other standards like financial security. Blame nature
Abortion Yes the one I mentioned
Birth control Pretty much the same issue, although not sure where you're getting at with this

Ingrained bias against women in organizations including education and our armed forces Not rights issue, societal issue, the latter is quite easy to understand since women will never reach the standards of men in the armed forces. The former is bullshit
Still "agreed upon" notion that women are for raising children and being a housemaid Not rights issue, societal issue, the former makes perfect sense. Stop denying nature, geniuses
Fear of strong powerful women Not rights issue, societal issue. Also a generalization


There, fixed it, you obviously don't know what a right is.

You are a fucking moron.  "Societal issues" as you put it SHOULD be protested. There's laws against racism and equal treatment for minorities...how's that going for us right now?

Also lol at thinking online harassment is worse for men.  Truly truly blind.

[etiolate]

Pew Study states men get more harassment, more death threats and more threats of violence. You don't think that because you simply don't think. You've had your opinion done via madlibs gender awareness rather than any research and self-reflection.

Harassment itself is not easily defined, highly subjective, and as evidence, the PEW study also showed that women react to harassment more despite receiving less harassment than men. It could simply be a difference in the way genders socialize.

You see, you can protest "societal issues", as long as you give no fucks as to solving them and want to beat off to yourself instead. If you want to fix issues, then you ditch the fucktards with stenciled signs and seek out intelligent people who know that problem solving is about understanding, parsing bullshit and helping where help belongs.

edit: I'm being an asshole in regards to this, but your chivalry is being exploited. I have read up on this stuff and so have others. I truly recommend that you challenge your assumption on these assertions that you've made. Actually think about how much shit talking you've faced online. Think about how much pressure you're getting here. Think about that. It is likely that your own lived experience is enough to question your own idea on this subject.

[Optimus]

Sexual assault Not rights issue, societal issue that is quite complicated. There are laws against this and not much can be done other than better education for the entire population. You know, the education Obama has been privatizing the last 8 years
Online harassment Males are harassed more online than females
Equal pay wage gap myth, ignored
Workplace prejudice and harassment Not rights issue, societal issue. There are laws against this
Body shaming and impossible image standards Not rights issue, societal issue. Same applies to men with other standards like financial security. Blame nature
Abortion Yes the one I mentioned
Birth control Pretty much the same issue, although not sure where you're getting at with this

Ingrained bias against women in organizations including education and our armed forces Not rights issue, societal issue, the latter is quite easy to understand since women will never reach the standards of men in the armed forces. The former is bullshit
Still "agreed upon" notion that women are for raising children and being a housemaid Not rights issue, societal issue, the former makes perfect sense. Stop denying nature, geniuses
Fear of strong powerful women Not rights issue, societal issue. Also a generalization


There, fixed it, you obviously don't know what a right is.

You are a fucking moron.  "Societal issues" as you put it SHOULD be protested. There's laws against racism and equal treatment for minorities...how's that going for us right now?

Also lol at thinking online harassment is worse for men.  Truly truly blind.

Nice backpedaling genius, now you've been proven wrong about what rights mean you shift the discussion towards societal issues completely ignoring the fact that that's not what my original post you people we whining about was referring to (hint: it was RIGHTS).

And no, societal issues that we can't do shit about because there are already laws against them shouldn't be protested or at the very least should secondary because they dilute the message. But I can't expect from your particular group to understand what practical solution is or in fact to ever achieve anything. The Narrative™ is above all else.

[etiolate]

Because all your buttholes are clinched tighter than mean jerk, here's something for laughs

https://twitter.com/AuerbachKeller/status/825213525459083268

[Nola]

Sexual assault Not rights issue, societal issue that is quite complicated. There are laws against this and not much can be done other than better education for the entire population. You know, the education Obama has been privatizing the last 8 years
Online harassment Males are harassed more online than females
Equal pay wage gap myth, ignored
Workplace prejudice and harassment Not rights issue, societal issue. There are laws against this
Body shaming and impossible image standards Not rights issue, societal issue. Same applies to men with other standards like financial security. Blame nature
Abortion Yes the one I mentioned
Birth control Pretty much the same issue, although not sure where you're getting at with this

Ingrained bias against women in organizations including education and our armed forces Not rights issue, societal issue, the latter is quite easy to understand since women will never reach the standards of men in the armed forces. The former is bullshit
Still "agreed upon" notion that women are for raising children and being a housemaid Not rights issue, societal issue, the former makes perfect sense. Stop denying nature, geniuses
Fear of strong powerful women Not rights issue, societal issue. Also a generalization


There, fixed it, you obviously don't know what a right is.

You are a fucking moron.  "Societal issues" as you put it SHOULD be protested. There's laws against racism and equal treatment for minorities...how's that going for us right now?

Also lol at thinking online harassment is worse for men.  Truly truly blind.

Nice backpedaling genius, now you've been proven wrong about what rights mean you shift the discussion towards societal issues completely ignoring the fact that that's not what my original post you people we whining about was referring to (hint: it was RIGHTS).

And no, societal issues that we can't do shit about because there are already laws against them shouldn't be protested or at the very least should secondary because they dilute the message. But I can't expect from your particular group to understand what practical solution is or in fact to ever achieve anything. The Narrative™ is above all else.

I am really tempted to post a bunch of fucking awful pictures of the horrendous shit white men like you and I have done to minorities and woman in this country that technically there were laws against.

You are a real piece of work sometimes. Like if your level of willful ignorance is not an act, I feel awful for the parents that had to endure you for at least 18-35 years under their roof.

[Nola]

Pew Study states men get more harassment, more death threats and more threats of violence. You don't think that because you simply don't think. You've had your opinion done via madlibs gender awareness rather than any research and self-reflection.

Harassment itself is not easily defined, highly subjective, and as evidence, the PEW study also showed that women react to harassment more despite receiving less harassment than men. It could simply be a difference in the way genders socialize.

You see, you can protest "societal issues", as long as you give no fucks as to solving them and want to beat off to yourself instead. If you want to fix issues, then you ditch the fucktards with stenciled signs and seek out intelligent people who know that problem solving is about understanding, parsing bullshit and helping where help belongs.

edit: I'm being an asshole in regards to this, but your chivalry is being exploited. I have read up on this stuff and so have others. I truly recommend that you challenge your assumption on these assertions that you've made. Actually think about how much shit talking you've faced online. Think about how much pressure you're getting here. Think about that. It is likely that your own lived experience is enough to question your own idea on this subject.

Interesting you leave out the context of that study.

You know, the part that talks about how woman, especially aged 18-24 get a disproportionately higher level of sexual harassment and stalking.

[etiolate]

"face particularly severe forms of online harassment" is a judgement call by Pew transcribers that doesn't belong. You are echoing their sentiment without quesiton.

Look at the actual graphs. More physical threats, more  harassment. The "severe" is applied to sexually harassed and stalking, yes, but why are we valuing that higher? Stalking? Sure, I can see that as severe. But what's worse between SHOW ME YOUR TITS and I WANT TO KILL YOU?

See, I said I had already looked into this.  I already knew that response. I already had a response. I knew the context.


edit: I'll even add an addendum to this, the differences in response to harassment is vital to understanding online harassment. Boys test the limits of other boys. Boy social interaction is different than female interaction. Sexual comments will get a bigger response from girls than they will boys. Competitive challenges will likely get a bigger response from boys than girls. However, overall, girls respond more strongly to comments according to the study, which may mean that boys are actually under-reporting their own received harassment because they think about it less, and thus, remember it less.

[Mandark]

mhm

[Nola]

"face particularly severe forms of online harassment" is a judgement call by Pew transcribers that doesn't belong. You are echoing their sentiment without quesiton.

Look at the actual graphs. More physical threats, more  harassment. The "severe" is applied to sexually harassed and stalking, yes, but why are we valuing that higher? Stalking? Sure, I can see that as severe. But what's worse between SHOW ME YOUR TITS and I WANT TO KILL YOU?

See, I said I had already looked into this.  I already knew that response. I already had a response. I knew the context.

So stalking, sustained harassment and sexual harassment is not objectively more severe then calling someone an offensive name now?

Thats some mighty spin there.

But lets look into which sex has more emotionally traumatic experiences from their harassment:



Or should this be corrected as well because women are you know, women about everything.

[etiolate]

You posted that after I did my edit, so see my edit. That graph is vital to the point. If men receive more harassment then why do women respond more strongly? I included that in my point earlier for that very reason.

I think there's something out there about response to female distress vs male distress, but I don't have it handy.

Plus, Mandark is here, which always means I'm right.

[Mandark]

Men are 3-4 times more likely than women in the US to be homicide victims.

Do any of us believe that, ceteris paribus, men are more likely to be targeted for violence on the basis of their gender?

[Nola]

You posted that after I did my edit, so see my edit. That graph is vital to the point. If men receive more harassment then why do women respond more strongly? I included that in my point earlier for that very reason.

I think there's something out there about response to female distress vs male distress, but I don't have it handy.

Plus, Mandark is here, which always means I'm right.

I would tend to think sexual harassment, sustained harassment and stalking would evoke more feelings of distress. But thats just me.

[etiolate]

Oh, did you want to try your hand at mind reading Mandy?

[Nola]

Oh, did you want to try your hand at mind reading Mandy?

Says the guy who just tried to explain away data so that it fits his MRA view of the world.

[Optimus]

Sexual assault Not rights issue, societal issue that is quite complicated. There are laws against this and not much can be done other than better education for the entire population. You know, the education Obama has been privatizing the last 8 years
Online harassment Males are harassed more online than females
Equal pay wage gap myth, ignored
Workplace prejudice and harassment Not rights issue, societal issue. There are laws against this
Body shaming and impossible image standards Not rights issue, societal issue. Same applies to men with other standards like financial security. Blame nature
Abortion Yes the one I mentioned
Birth control Pretty much the same issue, although not sure where you're getting at with this

Ingrained bias against women in organizations including education and our armed forces Not rights issue, societal issue, the latter is quite easy to understand since women will never reach the standards of men in the armed forces. The former is bullshit
Still "agreed upon" notion that women are for raising children and being a housemaid Not rights issue, societal issue, the former makes perfect sense. Stop denying nature, geniuses
Fear of strong powerful women Not rights issue, societal issue. Also a generalization


There, fixed it, you obviously don't know what a right is.

You are a fucking moron.  "Societal issues" as you put it SHOULD be protested. There's laws against racism and equal treatment for minorities...how's that going for us right now?

Also lol at thinking online harassment is worse for men.  Truly truly blind.

Nice backpedaling genius, now you've been proven wrong about what rights mean you shift the discussion towards societal issues completely ignoring the fact that that's not what my original post you people we whining about was referring to (hint: it was RIGHTS).

And no, societal issues that we can't do shit about because there are already laws against them shouldn't be protested or at the very least should secondary because they dilute the message. But I can't expect from your particular group to understand what practical solution is or in fact to ever achieve anything. The Narrative™ is above all else.

I am really tempted to post a bunch of fucking awful pictures of the horrendous shit white men like you and I have done to minorities and woman in this country that technically there were laws against.

You are a real piece of work sometimes. Like if your level of willful ignorance is not an act, I feel awful for the parents that had to endure you for at least 18-35 years under their roof.

Oh no, so you mean there's crime in this country? And apparently only white men commit it based on this moronic post. Btw, how do you know I'm a white man, because I question the narrative? Also, grow the fuck up and learn to construct a proper argument instead of emotional and ad hominem bullshit that in no way reply to my points I'm making.

[etiolate]

Stop using MRA as a boogie man, it won't save you. This a self-reflective view of the world.

Let's entertain that intellectual coward's attempt. I surmise that Mandy hoped to aim that there's more diabolical wimmin-hating murders than diabolical murders of men, but he did so without contemplating deeply why there might be more male deaths. He did so by thinking that every female death must be on some level psychologically different. And he did not self-reflect.

If men are murdered more then we must on some level value them less, which would suggest they are killed for their gender in some way. Are you, personally, more likely to hit a man than a woman? Would you give more pause towards violence towards a woman than a man? Now extend that to the murder rates.

Because shit like that is what we take for granted and overlook. You can try to conflate some serial killer idea with the grander reality, but if you don't question the larger reality then you skipped a question along the way.

(And, yes, men take more fatal jobs, more war deaths, more etc. We value their lives less, making murdering them easier than murdering women.)

[Mandark]

Btw, how do you know I'm a white man

Literally I don't think it could be more obvious?

[etiolate]

Here, let's make this simple: The study shows men face more harassment and more threats of violence. Yet here we are worrying about the girls. Why do we not give a shit about the boys?

[Mandark]

Comparisons of raw data on income show that women make significantly less than men, but I'm fairly sure you'd consider the pay gap to be somewhere between misleading and an outright myth.

Why? Once you have answered that, apply that reasoning to this issue.

[Optimus]

Btw, how do you know I'm a white man

Literally I don't think it could be more obvious?

Yes, people who disagree with the liberal identity politics obsession formed the last decade are white. Apparently the vast majority of the population of the world is white.

[etiolate]

That reasoning doesn't cross over, actually. Unless you mean choices and women choose to respond more to harassment or choose.. to be murdered less? Yes, men choose more dangerous jobs. I don't think they choose to be murdered more.

[Nola]

Here, let's make this simple: The study shows men face more harassment and more threats of violence. Yet here we are worrying about the girls. Why do we not give a shit about the boys?

Yes, the girls who are receiving the shit that goes beyond words over a keyboard. Sorry if it bothers you that that registers as more concerning.

[etiolate]

Here, let's make this simple: The study shows men face more harassment and more threats of violence. Yet here we are worrying about the girls. Why do we not give a shit about the boys?

Yes, the girls who are receiving the shit that goes beyond words over a keyboard. Sorry if it bothers you that that registers as more concerning.

They aren't. Girls recieve more sexual comments. Boys receive more violent comments. Both receive sustained harassment 18 to 16 percent. Why is sexual >>>>>>>>>>>>> violence?

( And we trust that boys socializing differences aren't causing them to under-report. )

[Nola]

Sexual assault Not rights issue, societal issue that is quite complicated. There are laws against this and not much can be done other than better education for the entire population. You know, the education Obama has been privatizing the last 8 years
Online harassment Males are harassed more online than females
Equal pay wage gap myth, ignored
Workplace prejudice and harassment Not rights issue, societal issue. There are laws against this
Body shaming and impossible image standards Not rights issue, societal issue. Same applies to men with other standards like financial security. Blame nature
Abortion Yes the one I mentioned
Birth control Pretty much the same issue, although not sure where you're getting at with this

Ingrained bias against women in organizations including education and our armed forces Not rights issue, societal issue, the latter is quite easy to understand since women will never reach the standards of men in the armed forces. The former is bullshit
Still "agreed upon" notion that women are for raising children and being a housemaid Not rights issue, societal issue, the former makes perfect sense. Stop denying nature, geniuses
Fear of strong powerful women Not rights issue, societal issue. Also a generalization


There, fixed it, you obviously don't know what a right is.

You are a fucking moron.  "Societal issues" as you put it SHOULD be protested. There's laws against racism and equal treatment for minorities...how's that going for us right now?

Also lol at thinking online harassment is worse for men.  Truly truly blind.

Nice backpedaling genius, now you've been proven wrong about what rights mean you shift the discussion towards societal issues completely ignoring the fact that that's not what my original post you people we whining about was referring to (hint: it was RIGHTS).

And no, societal issues that we can't do shit about because there are already laws against them shouldn't be protested or at the very least should secondary because they dilute the message. But I can't expect from your particular group to understand what practical solution is or in fact to ever achieve anything. The Narrative™ is above all else.

I am really tempted to post a bunch of fucking awful pictures of the horrendous shit white men like you and I have done to minorities and woman in this country that technically there were laws against.

You are a real piece of work sometimes. Like if your level of willful ignorance is not an act, I feel awful for the parents that had to endure you for at least 18-35 years under their roof.

Oh no, so you mean there's crime in this country? And apparently only white men commit it based on this moronic post. Btw, how do you know I'm a white man, because I question the narrative? Also, grow the fuck up and learn to construct a proper argument instead of emotional and ad hominem bullshit that in no way reply to my points I'm making.

You lecturing on structuring a proper argument? Thats a fucking riot you got going.

You can't even separate assertion from substantiation. Empiricism from opinion.

You lecturing on structuring formal arguments is like Trump supporters bitching about fake news.

The point being made is that a laws existence is no guarantee that the rights being protected therein are actually being enforced equitably, achieving those outcomes or providing the justice expected. And that the history of America is the history of our color and sex proving that laws are no guarantee of that justice or those rights.

[Nola]

Here, let's make this simple: The study shows men face more harassment and more threats of violence. Yet here we are worrying about the girls. Why do we not give a shit about the boys?

Yes, the girls who are receiving the shit that goes beyond words over a keyboard. Sorry if it bothers you that that registers as more concerning.

They aren't. Girls recieve more sexual comments. Boys receive more violent comments. Both receive sustained harassment 18 to 16 percent. Why is sexual >>>>>>>>>>>>> violence?

( And we trust that boys socializing differences aren't causing them to under-report. )

So one is receiving gendered comments that fall in line with America's historical culture of sexism on top of receiving the most severe form of harassment tracked.

I'm just not swallowing this false equivalency nonsense.

And again with the rationalizations to fit your MRA views. The data says what the data says. Women report more distress from their harassment. Your interpretation requires a level of assumption to reach that conclusion. Until we get some more in depth data on this subject that is where it will remain. As there is quite a lot that could be explored with more data. The fact that excuse making is where you reach for reflexively though is fairly telling.

[brawndolicious]

What I'm seeing is that men and women are basically the same in everything except for sexual harassment and stalking where there's a HUGE difference. Everyone can agree that people who say offensive stuff or threats online are also more likely to receive them and I think everyone can agree that men are less likely to be afraid of entering the shitpits of the internet to do that.

Because for some reason only men have ever called me a sandni**er, camel jockey, etc either online or in real life. Probably because the less afraid you are of physical consequences, the more stupid shit you do.

And no, societal issues that we can't do shit about because there are already laws against them shouldn't be protested or at the very least should secondary because they dilute the message. But I can't expect from your particular group to understand what practical solution is or in fact to ever achieve anything. The Narrative™ is above all else.

There's lots of laws against things Trump has done but.....(fill in with your explanation)

Seriously, could you please explain to me why sexual/physical violence goes unpunished so often? Most of the time, people have no impulse to raise a finger to stop it as the whole Trump presidential campaign has shown. And that's whether the victim is a man or a woman but women are much more likely to face that sort of abuse.

[Optimus]

You lecturing on structuring a proper argument? Thats a fucking riot you got going.

You can't even separate assertion from substantiation. Empiricism from opinion.

You lecturing on structuring formal arguments is like Trump supporters bitching about fake news.

Wow! So impressive, you know words like empiricism! Stop with the useless posts full of stupid ad hominems that don't actually reply to my posts, namedropping terminology won't save you from looking like like a 12 year old who thinks he's "winning" the argument by insulting people. Half your post was about me living with my parents or something. Grow up.

The point being made is that a laws existence is no guarantee that the rights being protected therein are actually being enforced equitably, achieving those outcomes or providing the justice expected. And that the history of America is the history of our color and sex proving that laws are no guarantee of that justice or those rights.

The point is redundant because this has already been explained in my post. The laws are already there, the state can't do anything more. So you're protesting to, what, complain about something that there can't be done anything about? And wasn't this a women's march? What evidence do you have that laws aren't enforced equitably for women? Last time I checked women are being favored by the judicial system... by a lot.

[Nola]

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What I'm seeing is that men and women are basically the same in everything except for sexual harassment and stalking where there's a HUGE difference. Everyone can agree that people who say offensive stuff or threats online are also more likely to receive them and I think everyone can agree that men are less likely to be afraid of entering the shitpits of the internet to do that.

Because for some reason only men have ever called me a sandni**er, camel jockey, etc either online or in real life. Probably because the less afraid you are of physical consequences, the more stupid shit you do.

And no, societal issues that we can't do shit about because there are already laws against them shouldn't be protested or at the very least should secondary because they dilute the message. But I can't expect from your particular group to understand what practical solution is or in fact to ever achieve anything. The Narrative™ is above all else.

There's lots of laws against things Trump has done but.....(fill in with your explanation)

Seriously, could you please explain to me why sexual/physical violence goes unpunished so often? Most of the time, people have no impulse to raise a finger to stop it as the whole Trump presidential campaign has shown. And that's whether the victim is a man or a woman but women are much more likely to face that sort of abuse.

Reading through the Pew data probably the biggest thing I wish was surveyed is the perceived gender of the harasser.

I am pretty sure anyone but etiolate would likely lean on the perpetrators being men more often then not, which would fall in line with larger societal data on harassment and aggression.

[benjipwns]

[Nola]

You lecturing on structuring a proper argument? Thats a fucking riot you got going.

You can't even separate assertion from substantiation. Empiricism from opinion.

You lecturing on structuring formal arguments is like Trump supporters bitching about fake news.

Wow! So impressive, you know words like empiricism! Stop with the useless posts full of stupid ad hominems that don't actually reply to my posts, namedropping terminology won't save you from looking like like a 12 year old who thinks he's "winning" the argument by insulting people. Half your post was about me living with my parents or something. Grow up.

The point being made is that a laws existence is no guarantee that the rights being protected therein are actually being enforced equitably, achieving those outcomes or providing the justice expected. And that the history of America is the history of our color and sex proving that laws are no guarantee of that justice or those rights.

The point is redundant because this has already been explained in my post. The laws are already there, the state can't do anything more. So you're protesting to, what, complain about something that there can't be done anything about? And wasn't this a women's march? What evidence do you have that laws aren't enforced equitably for women? Last time I checked women are being favored by the judicial system... by a lot.

Its kind of interesting how you take these hardline positions while simultaneously showing that you haven't really bothered to try objectively looking into the topic being discussed.

What evidence do you have? Which implies you haven't looked at the topic yourself before drawing conclusions.

But nah, we never have issues of laws on the books not translating to their intended purpose:
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/how-police-still-fail-rape-victims-w434669
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/local/us-justice-department-finds-discriminatory-practices-in-baltimore-police/2117/

No need to ever organize and protest in order to bring awareness and pressure officials to move in a particular direction, or engender support amongst those that can vote to put people in power who will better represent your ideals.

[Optimus]

You lecturing on structuring a proper argument? Thats a fucking riot you got going.

You can't even separate assertion from substantiation. Empiricism from opinion.

You lecturing on structuring formal arguments is like Trump supporters bitching about fake news.

Wow! So impressive, you know words like empiricism! Stop with the useless posts full of stupid ad hominems that don't actually reply to my posts, namedropping terminology won't save you from looking like like a 12 year old who thinks he's "winning" the argument by insulting people. Half your post was about me living with my parents or something. Grow up.

The point being made is that a laws existence is no guarantee that the rights being protected therein are actually being enforced equitably, achieving those outcomes or providing the justice expected. And that the history of America is the history of our color and sex proving that laws are no guarantee of that justice or those rights.

The point is redundant because this has already been explained in my post. The laws are already there, the state can't do anything more. So you're protesting to, what, complain about something that there can't be done anything about? And wasn't this a women's march? What evidence do you have that laws aren't enforced equitably for women? Last time I checked women are being favored by the judicial system... by a lot.

Its kind of interesting how you take these hardline positions while simultaneously showing that you haven't really bothered to try objectively looking into the topic being discussed.

What evidence do you have? Which implies you haven't looked at the topic yourself before drawing conclusions.

But nah, we never have issues of laws on the books not translating to their intended purpose:
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/how-police-still-fail-rape-victims-w434669
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/local/us-justice-department-finds-discriminatory-practices-in-baltimore-police/2117/

No need to ever organize and protest in order to bring awareness and pressure officials to move in a particular direction, or engender support amongst those that can vote to put people in power who will better represent your ideals.

That is a police issue, that's what protests against police violence and corruption are for.  The Baltimore police department is notoriously corrupt and people have protested against it. You pressure the officials by protesting against that particular precinct, or police in general. What you don't do is organize a protest about all the fucking issues in the world while at the same time your main message is basically "Fuck Trump, I can't believe we lost".

[Nola]

You lecturing on structuring a proper argument? Thats a fucking riot you got going.

You can't even separate assertion from substantiation. Empiricism from opinion.

You lecturing on structuring formal arguments is like Trump supporters bitching about fake news.

Wow! So impressive, you know words like empiricism! Stop with the useless posts full of stupid ad hominems that don't actually reply to my posts, namedropping terminology won't save you from looking like like a 12 year old who thinks he's "winning" the argument by insulting people. Half your post was about me living with my parents or something. Grow up.

The point being made is that a laws existence is no guarantee that the rights being protected therein are actually being enforced equitably, achieving those outcomes or providing the justice expected. And that the history of America is the history of our color and sex proving that laws are no guarantee of that justice or those rights.

The point is redundant because this has already been explained in my post. The laws are already there, the state can't do anything more. So you're protesting to, what, complain about something that there can't be done anything about? And wasn't this a women's march? What evidence do you have that laws aren't enforced equitably for women? Last time I checked women are being favored by the judicial system... by a lot.

Its kind of interesting how you take these hardline positions while simultaneously showing that you haven't really bothered to try objectively looking into the topic being discussed.

What evidence do you have? Which implies you haven't looked at the topic yourself before drawing conclusions.

But nah, we never have issues of laws on the books not translating to their intended purpose:
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/how-police-still-fail-rape-victims-w434669
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/local/us-justice-department-finds-discriminatory-practices-in-baltimore-police/2117/

No need to ever organize and protest in order to bring awareness and pressure officials to move in a particular direction, or engender support amongst those that can vote to put people in power who will better represent your ideals.

That is a police issue, that's what protests against police violence and corruption are for.  The Baltimore police department is notoriously corrupt and people have protested against it. You pressure the officials by protesting against that particular precinct, or police in general. What you don't do is organize a protest about all the fucking issues in the world while at the same time your main message is basically "Fuck Trump, I can't believe we lost".

Issues of rape prosecution is not unique to Baltimore. It was just an easily identifiable example given it's prominence over the last couple years. So treating it like a national issue makes perfectly reasonable sense IMO.

Also, tell that lack of structure shit to the Tea Party.

[VomKriege]

All women issues resolved save abortion since they're equal in the face of the law. Guess i can infer that about minorities too.

Man, neoliberal establishment leadership is pretty good !

[seagrams hotsauce]

etoilet and ploptimus, a match made in shitpost heaven. fuck this thread 

[Optimus]

All women issues resolved save abortion since they're equal in the face of the law. Guess i can infer that about minorities too.

Man, neoliberal establishment leadership is pretty good !

>I suggest the protest to focus on one issue and since abortion is the only women's rights issue in the country I suggest that one
>Cue triggered liberals who don't know what the fuck the word "right" means
>I explain what's a right
>BrandNew changes the discussion now from rights to "the rest matters too" while trying to damage control his ignorance
>I explain how you can't do shit about the rest
>Nola mentions Baltimore police
>Good point but I explain police issues are for police protests, diluting the message with a million fucking tiny issues makes the protest pointless, not to mention this isn't what this protest was about

>Apparently to you that means that I said all women's issues are solved

Learn to read and stop with the stupid strawman arguments. It's getting fucking frustrating being purposely misinterpreted by liberals here desperate to "own" me.

etoilet and ploptimus, a match made in shitpost heaven. fuck this thread 

Sorry for ruining your liberal hugbox with facts and different opinions.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Enjoy your 4 years in the sun and eternity on the wrong side of history