US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[VomKriege]

Learn to read and stop with the stupid strawman arguments. It's getting fucking frustrating being purposely misinterpreted by liberals here desperate to "own" me.

- don't make the mistake of thinking I want to discuss bullshit like this seriously

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- Just where does that animosity come from?

- Because I am suffocated in a white guilt shithole every day, I don't need it online.

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[VomKriege]

I'm reading Reuters and I'm not sure I understand correctly : Trump suspended for 4 months the entry of all refugees (on top of visa applications from certain countries) ?

 

[FStop7]

SmokyDave's Law

[Rufus]

Cynicism, the one true path to enlightenment.

[VomKriege]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-order.html

People are being held up already in airports because of the executive order. 

Trump is totally going to wreck your country. For real.
I thereby 欢迎 our new world leaders.

[I'm a Puppy!]

All this bluster and he's not actually done one thing about the immigrants that actually take people's jobs. 
Don't know how you can pass this off as anything other than straight up xenophobia.

[CatsCatsCats]

Wow this thread has turned into a dumpster fire

[Dennis]

All this bluster and he's not actually done one thing about the immigrants that actually take people's jobs. 

Isn't that what the wall is supposed to be for?

[I'm a Puppy!]

You honestly think Mexicans are taking jobs americans want?
H1Bs do that. 

[Dennis]

You honestly think Mexicans are taking jobs americans want?
H1Bs do that.

I am in the US on a H1B visa.

I took your jerbs. Deportation when?

[Boredfrom]

All this bluster and he's not actually done one thing about the immigrants that actually take people's jobs. 

Isn't that what the wall is supposed to be for?

I bet you a real big part of the workforce building the wall is going to be inmigrants.

[etiolate]

The temp immigration stop is a dumb over-correction. Just a political gesture towards an idea that most likely hurts. The increased screening is something I figure most of the public supports, but putting a full stop on things is derp.

[Freyj]

Wow this thread has turned into a dumpster fire

Etoilet and Optimus are the "Guild Wars 2 did nothing wrong" of this thread.

[I'm a Puppy!]

You honestly think Mexicans are taking jobs americans want?
H1Bs do that.

I am in the US on a H1B visa.

I took your jerbs. Deportation when?

Apparently never.

[etiolate]

freyj you only show up here because you're butthurt

[Boredfrom]

The temp immigration stop is a dumb over-correction. Just a political gesture towards an idea that most likely hurts. The increased screening is something I figure most of the public supports, but putting a full stop on things is derp.

Is like Trump has no real foreign policy experience....

[Great Rumbler]

The temp immigration stop is a dumb over-correction. Just a political gesture towards an idea that most likely hurts. The increased screening is something I figure most of the public supports, but putting a full stop on things is derp.

Is like Trump has no real foreign policy experience....

And since much of the State Department's senior leadership has been ousted...

[etiolate]

The real question is does Trump not banning people from Saudi make him a cuck?

[zomgee]

JayDubya help

[bluemax]

I'm reading Reuters and I'm not sure I understand correctly : Trump suspended for 4 months the entry of all refugees (on top of visa applications from certain countries) ?

 

They referenced 9/11 THREE times in the statement and then didn't ban the countries that the 9/11 hijackers were from.

[Nola]

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/tracking-trumps-web-of-conflicts/

Don't blame him guys, he is just being a good businessman and using the system the way it is written.

[ToxicAdam]

All this bluster and he's not actually done one thing about the immigrants that actually take people's jobs. 
Don't know how you can pass this off as anything other than straight up xenophobia.

To be fair, it's all campaign promises. People just aren't used to politicians following up on their campaign pandering.

[etiolate]

Oil, baby. You ain't getting rid of me.

DAMN YOU TRUMP

[Phoenix Dark]

And no, societal issues that we can't do shit about because there are already laws against them shouldn't be protested or at the very least should secondary because they dilute the message. But I can't expect from your particular group to understand what practical solution is or in fact to ever achieve anything. The Narrative™ is above all else.

but then

That is a police issue, that's what protests against police violence and corruption are for.  The Baltimore police department is notoriously corrupt and people have protested against it. You pressure the officials by protesting against that particular precinct, or police in general. What you don't do is organize a protest about all the fucking issues in the world while at the same time your main message is basically "Fuck Trump, I can't believe we lost".

Which is it, or are you making this shit up as you go. The Baltimore police department, like the Ferguson police department and countless others, clearly violated their citizen's constitutional rights. But because we have laws against them, in this case the constitution, protesting against these departments is useless right?

You have this very weird, special fellow-like view on the topic. If the protest isn't 100% on an issue you deem valid, it's an aimless futile protest that dilutes the message. It shouldn't be surprising that a "women's march" focused on a variety of problems and issues facing women today. From sexual assault to abortion to birth control to the wage gap you don't believe in to...etc etc etc. Likewise every recent protest over the death of a slain black dude has been about violations of constitutional rights, corruption, etc etc etc...not just the murder of one person.

[Mandark]

I was going to make a brilliant "de jure/du jour" pun here but it's kind of tricky to set up and I'm too lazy. Anyone who wants to use that idea has my blessing.

[Let's Cyber]

Are etiolate and optimus the same guy? I could see toilet pulling some kind of "I'm the only one on my level, so I'll just argue with myself to help the plebs understand my genius"  type of egotistical bullshit.



 Mods help

[Freyj]

Oil, baby. You ain't getting rid of me.

Oil and Trump Golf Resort and Luxury Villas™

[etiolate]

No.

Seriously, be smarter. I sincerely doubt you'll stop Trump by being fuckwads. That's why I give you all shit.

[Freyj]

[etiolate]

(Image removed from quote.)

The very definition of fuckwad might be dragging up four year old arguments about MMOs in a political thread because you still angry about them.

 

[Boogie]

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadians-holding-dual-citizenship-with-countries-targeted-by-immigration-ban-cant-enter-u-s

Dual citizenship Canadians from these countries can't enter the US either.  What the FUCK.

[Joe Molotov]

I remember when people said Gore was just as bad as Bush.

[Optimus]

And no, societal issues that we can't do shit about because there are already laws against them shouldn't be protested or at the very least should secondary because they dilute the message. But I can't expect from your particular group to understand what practical solution is or in fact to ever achieve anything. The Narrative™ is above all else.

but then

That is a police issue, that's what protests against police violence and corruption are for.  The Baltimore police department is notoriously corrupt and people have protested against it. You pressure the officials by protesting against that particular precinct, or police in general. What you don't do is organize a protest about all the fucking issues in the world while at the same time your main message is basically "Fuck Trump, I can't believe we lost".

Which is it, or are you making this shit up as you go. The Baltimore police department, like the Ferguson police department and countless others, clearly violated their citizen's constitutional rights. But because we have laws against them, in this case the constitution, protesting against these departments is useless right?

You have this very weird, special fellow-like view on the topic. If the protest isn't 100% on an issue you deem valid, it's an aimless futile protest that dilutes the message. It shouldn't be surprising that a "women's march" focused on a variety of problems and issues facing women today. From sexual assault to abortion to birth control to the wage gap you don't believe in to...etc etc etc. Likewise every recent protest over the death of a slain black dude has been about violations of constitutional rights, corruption, etc etc etc...not just the murder of one person.

Evidence about one police department mistreating rape victims doesn't make it a global rule. Ferguson? So now you protest against police brutality too in a fucking women's march? It would be easier if you made a list about what you don't protest about. You people have no fucking idea how to organize or demonstrate which explains that circus. Your last paragraph has already been replied to a million times.

Anyway, my original point was that this wasn't a women's march it was a liberal bitchfest and it's 100% true. I'm done with this stupid discussion.

[Boredfrom]

They still lost, thought. For better or worse, they didnt won the elections. Hillary sure as hell is better than Trump, and at least more of half of the country voters agree with that, so that is something.

[Phoenix Dark]

And no, societal issues that we can't do shit about because there are already laws against them shouldn't be protested or at the very least should secondary because they dilute the message. But I can't expect from your particular group to understand what practical solution is or in fact to ever achieve anything. The Narrative™ is above all else.

but then

That is a police issue, that's what protests against police violence and corruption are for.  The Baltimore police department is notoriously corrupt and people have protested against it. You pressure the officials by protesting against that particular precinct, or police in general. What you don't do is organize a protest about all the fucking issues in the world while at the same time your main message is basically "Fuck Trump, I can't believe we lost".

Which is it, or are you making this shit up as you go. The Baltimore police department, like the Ferguson police department and countless others, clearly violated their citizen's constitutional rights. But because we have laws against them, in this case the constitution, protesting against these departments is useless right?

You have this very weird, special fellow-like view on the topic. If the protest isn't 100% on an issue you deem valid, it's an aimless futile protest that dilutes the message. It shouldn't be surprising that a "women's march" focused on a variety of problems and issues facing women today. From sexual assault to abortion to birth control to the wage gap you don't believe in to...etc etc etc. Likewise every recent protest over the death of a slain black dude has been about violations of constitutional rights, corruption, etc etc etc...not just the murder of one person.

Evidence about one police department mistreating rape victims doesn't make it a global rule. Ferguson? So now you protest against police brutality too in a fucking women's march? It would be easier if you made a list about what you don't protest about. You people have no fucking idea how to organize or demonstrate which explains that circus.

Anyway, my original point was that this wasn't a women's march it was a liberal bitchfest and it's 100% true. I'm done with this stupid discussion.

*whoosh*

[etiolate]

Most of the country did not like either choice.

[Optimus]

The temp immigration stop is a dumb over-correction. Just a political gesture towards an idea that most likely hurts. The increased screening is something I figure most of the public supports, but putting a full stop on things is derp.

Increased screening wouldn't do shit either. You want a strongman approach to fight the root of terrorism? Freeze all the accounts of every Saudi Royal fuck even suspected to have ties to terrorism. Saudi Arabia is the biggest exporter of Islamic terrorism in the world, embargo and  isolate them until they fix their fucked up country. The problem in that country isn't a few bad apples, it starts at the very top.

Not that it would be a very diplomatic solution but it would certainly be Trump-like which is why I mention it. The man is a huge fraud, everything he does is for appearance, not to solve a problem. Banning citizens is flashy and would satisfy his supporters' identity politics bullshit, that is the reason why he did it and only that.

[Mupepe]

The common solution i hear in Texas is "turn the middle east to glass"   it's common enough that I have no faith in the American publics resolve for a real foreign policy solution to terrorism or the middle east divide. So we get bullshit like this

[Madrun Badrun]

freyj you only show up here because you're butthurt

and you're only making posts to pad your statistics on male online harassment. 

[Boogie]

The common solution i hear in Texas is "turn the middle east to glass"   it's common enough that I have no faith in the American publics resolve for a real foreign policy solution to terrorism or the middle east divide. So we get bullshit like this

Yeah, I got two or three guys in my office who spew that shit too. 

edit:  Ironically, one of them is the most vehemently anti-Trump guy in the office, though.   

[Optimus]

The common solution i hear in Texas is "turn the middle east to glass"   it's common enough that I have no faith in the American publics resolve for a real foreign policy solution to terrorism or the middle east divide.

There's no solution anymore, at least not for the next 20+ years. The only real solution would be to go back in time and prevent the US from constantly fucking with the Middle East for decades while funding, arming and allying with religious lunatics. Obama's wars were the last straw that broke the camel's back, Middle East will need plenty of time to even start recovering now. As for what the US can do, the best solution would be to stop meddling in the region altogether and start distancing itself from Saudi Arabia and Israel. US, Israel and SA are biggest causes of religious extremism in the region, all for different reasons of course.

[Freyj]

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The very definition of fuckwad might be dragging up four year old arguments about MMOs in a political thread because you still angry about them.

 

Calm yourself, I'm not the first to makes jabs at you over GW2. Your MMO opinions are entertaining, but your pseudo-intellectual, holier-than-thou political / social commentary word vomit is grating.

And for what it's worth, none of us are going to stop Trump. "Smart" is irrelevant. The only thing we can really do is support the agencies that can.

[Boredfrom]

Most of the country did not like either choice.

True but at one point it becomes more difficult to defend people that voted for Trump because they saw Hillary as the devil while Trump is showing some of the same vices that were associete with her.

[etiolate]

Most of the country did not like either choice.

True but at one point it becomes more difficult to defend people that voted for Trump because they saw Hillary as the devil while Trump is showing some of the same vices that were associete with her.

Which is why not including Saudi is what makes this a joke. (Or if he's using a private phone while tweeting and emailing.)

[etiolate]

To be clear, I'm not saying there should be Saudi bans or any nation bans at all. It's just why what Trump did is so hollow. Why it's a virtue signal and hypocritical.

[Optimus]

Trumpers have arrived at the He will not divide us stream and it's now hilarious. Pretty much sums up the political discourse in this country.

[etiolate]

Deport Shia.

[Take My Breh Away]

https://twitter.com/NYTWA/status/825463758709518337

This is some sans culottes beeswax going on here. Fighting cuckery with fuckery

[TakingBackSunday]

I am disgusted with this country.  I'm legitimately considering moving to Canada now.  I'm absolutely ashamed

[Syph]

Full quote is: "I am establishing new vetting measures to keep radical Islamic terrorists out of the United States of America," Trump said during the signing at the Pentagon after the swearing-in of Defense Secretary James Mattis. "We don't want them here."
He added, "We want to ensure that we are not admitting into our country the very threats our soldiers are fighting overseas. We only want to admit those into our country who will support our country and love deeply our people."

What headline does CNN run for the past 8+ hours?

"We don't want them here."

Literal propaganda, I don't give a fuck which side of the political spectrum you're on.

[Atramental]

I am disgusted with this country.  I'm legitimately considering moving to Canada now.  I'm absolutely ashamed

[Boredfrom]

Unless you have money, oil or a Trump Hotel.

[Boogie]

I am disgusted with this country.  I'm legitimately considering moving to Canada now.  I'm absolutely ashamed

Fuck O'Leary.

I don't think he's got a shot, but I ain't taking anything for granted.

Kellie Leitch is probably more dangerously Trump-like in the Conservative race, though.

I am disgusted with this country.  I'm legitimately considering moving to Canada now.  I'm absolutely ashamed

Spare room sweepstakes still running.

Tell me: your dating game is strong, but how are you as a wingman?

[Boredfrom]

Unless you have money, oil or a Trump Hotel.

They still don't want them, they just feel like they need them.

Thats true. Mexico is one of the biggest trade partners for the US but we are rapists for the avarege redneck because we are brown and speak a death language called Spanish.

[Boogie]

Unless you have money, oil or a Trump Hotel.

They still don't want them, they just feel like they need them.

Boogie, I've given up drugs years ago and I'm a somewhat decent wingman in need of a straight husbando. Pick me.

I'm slotting you to frontrunner status.

Of course, Mups has dibs if he chooses to exercise it.

[Madrun Badrun]

Will you tell the boys at work that you smuggled in an arab man?

[Boogie]

Will you tell the boys at work that you smuggled in an arab man?

I'll just classify him as an informant. 

[brawndolicious]

Transportation to JFK protest is resuming. Trains were shut down for a while because Port Authority was afraid of overcrowding.

https://twitter.com/liamstack/status/825512568001290240

I REALY hope there isn't a terrorist attack at one the protests.

[zepblackstar]

Stay of order was granted but only for those already here, not those overseas. It affects a couple of hundred people at the airports. so there is that.

[bork]

And all this is after just one week of the Trump presidency.

Can we get rid of this piece of shit now?