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[etiolate]

Splicer's end comments were basically "you're hysterical clowns, read the order"

I'm curious, what are your views on this. Because the actual EO included green card/Visas, despite objections from the DHS and State Dept. The protests weren't about nothing - something actually happen, and people responded accordingly. Or do you disagree.

Like I said earlier, I don't think you should ban nations, even temporarily. I think improved vetting and setting up standards for other countries is important.

As per the Green Card/visa bit: An obvious bad idea. I really don't know what's going on in that Trump group if this got through and there's nothing but rumor as to who is doing what.It's incompetence. Some people speculate that Bannon wants crisis and thirsts for it on some level, and so enjoys the hysteria. People who have worked for Bannon or been somewhat involved with him make him seem like a petty vindictive dude, and he's now working for a petty vindictive President.

As for the protests, they are in response to an actual thing. There is also still a lot of hysteria within the public. Calling it a Muslim ban would require calling the Obama admin anti-Muslim. Still, this is by far the biggest real screw-up that Trump has had and something worth shouting out against. (I am still in doubt over the current power of protests. ACLU work got things done.)

This isn't over yet either, as other countries will have to comply to the standards set and if they don't you may see more refugee holds. At the same time, Saudi agreed to take in refugees.

[I'm a Puppy!]

rumor is some anti LGBT executive order is coming this week

I can march every weekend if need be, fuckers.

I think this is going to take way more than marching. A strike is in order

[Phoenix Dark]

Splicer's end comments were basically "you're hysterical clowns, read the order"

I'm curious, what are your views on this. Because the actual EO included green card/Visas, despite objections from the DHS and State Dept. The protests weren't about nothing - something actually happen, and people responded accordingly. Or do you disagree.

Like I said earlier, I don't think you should ban nations, even temporarily. I think improved vetting and setting up standards for other countries is important.

As per the Green Card/visa bit: An obvious bad idea. I really don't know what's going on in that Trump group if this got through and there's nothing but rumor as to who is doing what.It's incompetence. Some people speculate that Bannon wants crisis and thirsts for it on some level, and so enjoys the hysteria. People who have worked for Bannon or been somewhat involved with him make him seem like a petty vindictive dude, and he's now working for a petty vindictive President.

As for the protests, they are in response to an actual thing. There is also still a lot of hysteria within the public. Calling it a Muslim ban would require calling the Obama admin anti-Muslim. Still, this is by far the biggest real screw-up that Trump has had and something worth shouting out against. (I am still in doubt over the current power of protests. ACLU work got things done.)

This isn't over yet either, as other countries will have to comply to the standards set and if they don't you may see more refugee holds. At the same time, Saudi agreed to take in refugees.

The Obama admin didn't single out Muslims, and it pertained to one country during the height of an ISIS..."situation." Nor did they shitcan green cards and visas. Trump has specifically called for a ban of Muslim immigration, and as early as a couple days ago even stated he will give Christian refugees priority. 

[etiolate]

Splicer's end comments were basically "you're hysterical clowns, read the order"

I'm curious, what are your views on this. Because the actual EO included green card/Visas, despite objections from the DHS and State Dept. The protests weren't about nothing - something actually happen, and people responded accordingly. Or do you disagree.

Like I said earlier, I don't think you should ban nations, even temporarily. I think improved vetting and setting up standards for other countries is important.

As per the Green Card/visa bit: An obvious bad idea. I really don't know what's going on in that Trump group if this got through and there's nothing but rumor as to who is doing what.It's incompetence. Some people speculate that Bannon wants crisis and thirsts for it on some level, and so enjoys the hysteria. People who have worked for Bannon or been somewhat involved with him make him seem like a petty vindictive dude, and he's now working for a petty vindictive President.

As for the protests, they are in response to an actual thing. There is also still a lot of hysteria within the public. Calling it a Muslim ban would require calling the Obama admin anti-Muslim. Still, this is by far the biggest real screw-up that Trump has had and something worth shouting out against. (I am still in doubt over the current power of protests. ACLU work got things done.)

This isn't over yet either, as other countries will have to comply to the standards set and if they don't you may see more refugee holds. At the same time, Saudi agreed to take in refugees.

The Obama admin didn't single out Muslims, and it pertained to one country during the height of an ISIS..."situation." Nor did they shitcan green cards and visas. Trump has specifically called for a ban of Muslim immigration, and as early as a couple days ago even stated he will give Christian refugees priority.

The people specifying Muslims are the press, the public and Rudy Guliani.

This is all about ISIS so I'm not sure why you bring up the rest or the green card thing again. I don't see the point there.

The Christian refugee bit is because they are a minority religion in regions producing refugees and they were being accepted as refugees at a rate much lower than their representation in those countries. It's not just Christians who benefit but Jews as well. Minority religions of refugee nations are given priority. The idea is they face greater chance of persecution. You can debate that if you want.

[FStop7]

rumor is some anti LGBT executive order is coming this week

I can march every weekend if need be, fuckers.

I think this is going to take way more than marching. A strike is in order

You're probably right.  I can already see a difference in the atmosphere.  The Women's March was very upbeat and optimistic.  The LAX shutdown was permissive but there was more anger in the air and there was about a 3 minute period of scuffling between protesters and police.  That's when I saw a woman get popped in the shoulder or neck by a cop for setting one foot off of the curb.  Thankfully, the cops backed down.  But I'm concerned about mounting tensions with each successive protest.   On the other hand, if there's an LGBTQ EO coming then there has to be an immediate and massive response.  There's just no other option. 

etiolate - They singled out Muslims by saying that Christians get priority.  It's just pathetic window dressing.  Come on, man.  You're an asshole and all but you're not stupid.

[etiolate]

Stop thinking you have secret mind reading powers. Christian refugees needed more attention.

[Boredfrom]

Splicer's end comments were basically "you're hysterical clowns, read the order"

I'm curious, what are your views on this. Because the actual EO included green card/Visas, despite objections from the DHS and State Dept. The protests weren't about nothing - something actually happen, and people responded accordingly. Or do you disagree.

Like I said earlier, I don't think you should ban nations, even temporarily. I think improved vetting and setting up standards for other countries is important.

As per the Green Card/visa bit: An obvious bad idea. I really don't know what's going on in that Trump group if this got through and there's nothing but rumor as to who is doing what.It's incompetence. Some people speculate that Bannon wants crisis and thirsts for it on some level, and so enjoys the hysteria. People who have worked for Bannon or been somewhat involved with him make him seem like a petty vindictive dude, and he's now working for a petty vindictive President.

As for the protests, they are in response to an actual thing. There is also still a lot of hysteria within the public. Calling it a Muslim ban would require calling the Obama admin anti-Muslim. Still, this is by far the biggest real screw-up that Trump has had and something worth shouting out against. (I am still in doubt over the current power of protests. ACLU work got things done.)

This isn't over yet either, as other countries will have to comply to the standards set and if they don't you may see more refugee holds. At the same time, Saudi agreed to take in refugees.

You need to admit that ACLU got a lot of good will and attention because the protests.

[etiolate]

Wait why do I need to admit that? That's such a weird demand.

Did the ACLU have a bad rep?

[Great Rumbler]

Wait why do I need to admit that? That's such a weird demand.

Did the ACLU have a bad rep?

In conservative circles? Absolutely.

Unrelated, but the Quebec City mosque shooter has been officially identified:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-city-mosque-attack-alexandre-bissonnette-1.3958559

[etiolate]

I know people have specified issues with the ACLU, but their general reputation has been good. I still don't know wtf that has to do with me.

[james]

I hope Trump goes after the gays hard.

Lots of wealthy white gays.

Target the Jews next and you have your bingo

[Phoenix Dark]

Splicer's end comments were basically "you're hysterical clowns, read the order"

I'm curious, what are your views on this. Because the actual EO included green card/Visas, despite objections from the DHS and State Dept. The protests weren't about nothing - something actually happen, and people responded accordingly. Or do you disagree.

Like I said earlier, I don't think you should ban nations, even temporarily. I think improved vetting and setting up standards for other countries is important.

As per the Green Card/visa bit: An obvious bad idea. I really don't know what's going on in that Trump group if this got through and there's nothing but rumor as to who is doing what.It's incompetence. Some people speculate that Bannon wants crisis and thirsts for it on some level, and so enjoys the hysteria. People who have worked for Bannon or been somewhat involved with him make him seem like a petty vindictive dude, and he's now working for a petty vindictive President.

As for the protests, they are in response to an actual thing. There is also still a lot of hysteria within the public. Calling it a Muslim ban would require calling the Obama admin anti-Muslim. Still, this is by far the biggest real screw-up that Trump has had and something worth shouting out against. (I am still in doubt over the current power of protests. ACLU work got things done.)

This isn't over yet either, as other countries will have to comply to the standards set and if they don't you may see more refugee holds. At the same time, Saudi agreed to take in refugees.

The Obama admin didn't single out Muslims, and it pertained to one country during the height of an ISIS..."situation." Nor did they shitcan green cards and visas. Trump has specifically called for a ban of Muslim immigration, and as early as a couple days ago even stated he will give Christian refugees priority.

The people specifying Muslims are the press, the public and Rudy Guliani.

This is all about ISIS so I'm not sure why you bring up the rest or the green card thing again. I don't see the point there.

The Christian refugee bit is because they are a minority religion in regions producing refugees and they were being accepted as refugees at a rate much lower than their representation in those countries. It's not just Christians who benefit but Jews as well. Minority religions of refugee nations are given priority. The idea is they face greater chance of persecution. You can debate that if you want.

Gulianni stated that Trump specifically asked him how he could ban Muslims...

[Joe Molotov]

Don't listen to what Trump says, PD, listen to what's in his heart.

[Phoenix Dark]

I hope Trump goes after the gays hard.

Lots of wealthy white gays.

Target the Jews next and you have your bingo

[etiolate]

Splicer's end comments were basically "you're hysterical clowns, read the order"

I'm curious, what are your views on this. Because the actual EO included green card/Visas, despite objections from the DHS and State Dept. The protests weren't about nothing - something actually happen, and people responded accordingly. Or do you disagree.

Like I said earlier, I don't think you should ban nations, even temporarily. I think improved vetting and setting up standards for other countries is important.

As per the Green Card/visa bit: An obvious bad idea. I really don't know what's going on in that Trump group if this got through and there's nothing but rumor as to who is doing what.It's incompetence. Some people speculate that Bannon wants crisis and thirsts for it on some level, and so enjoys the hysteria. People who have worked for Bannon or been somewhat involved with him make him seem like a petty vindictive dude, and he's now working for a petty vindictive President.

As for the protests, they are in response to an actual thing. There is also still a lot of hysteria within the public. Calling it a Muslim ban would require calling the Obama admin anti-Muslim. Still, this is by far the biggest real screw-up that Trump has had and something worth shouting out against. (I am still in doubt over the current power of protests. ACLU work got things done.)

This isn't over yet either, as other countries will have to comply to the standards set and if they don't you may see more refugee holds. At the same time, Saudi agreed to take in refugees.

The Obama admin didn't single out Muslims, and it pertained to one country during the height of an ISIS..."situation." Nor did they shitcan green cards and visas. Trump has specifically called for a ban of Muslim immigration, and as early as a couple days ago even stated he will give Christian refugees priority.

The people specifying Muslims are the press, the public and Rudy Guliani.

This is all about ISIS so I'm not sure why you bring up the rest or the green card thing again. I don't see the point there.

The Christian refugee bit is because they are a minority religion in regions producing refugees and they were being accepted as refugees at a rate much lower than their representation in those countries. It's not just Christians who benefit but Jews as well. Minority religions of refugee nations are given priority. The idea is they face greater chance of persecution. You can debate that if you want.

Gulianni stated that Trump specifically asked him how he could ban Muslims...

Yeah, I know. That's bad if true, but the problem is it comes from Guliani. An actual Muslim Ban would look much different from this though.

[Nola]

Their toxic comments section aside, GAF occasionally brings my attention to interesting articles I wouldn't have found:

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/big-data-cambridge-analytica-brexit-trump

The story on the analytics team Trump and Brexit proponents used is pretty fascinating. Maybe the narrative that big data failed in this election was pre-mature. Clinton and Democrats just found themselves behind the times?

The original (german language) article absolutly dominated european social media a couple weeks ago. The article had somewhat of a turnaround though as a lot of follow up articles pointed out that the scope of manipulation stated in the article seemed blown out of porportion. Still a good read though.

It's subtle and probably needed more emphasis but the article does end by saying there is no proof of how effective or ineffective their tactics were. But yeah, just taking a passive read and it reads like it is what won the election.

[Huff]

rumor is some anti LGBT executive order is coming this week

I can march every weekend if need be, fuckers.

I think this is going to take way more than marching. A strike is in order

is it legal for health care providers or even normal hospital workers to go on strike. morally sounds like a big no no

[Nola]

Splicer's end comments were basically "you're hysterical clowns, read the order"

I'm curious, what are your views on this. Because the actual EO included green card/Visas, despite objections from the DHS and State Dept. The protests weren't about nothing - something actually happen, and people responded accordingly. Or do you disagree.

Like I said earlier, I don't think you should ban nations, even temporarily. I think improved vetting and setting up standards for other countries is important.

As per the Green Card/visa bit: An obvious bad idea. I really don't know what's going on in that Trump group if this got through and there's nothing but rumor as to who is doing what.It's incompetence. Some people speculate that Bannon wants crisis and thirsts for it on some level, and so enjoys the hysteria. People who have worked for Bannon or been somewhat involved with him make him seem like a petty vindictive dude, and he's now working for a petty vindictive President.

As for the protests, they are in response to an actual thing. There is also still a lot of hysteria within the public. Calling it a Muslim ban would require calling the Obama admin anti-Muslim. Still, this is by far the biggest real screw-up that Trump has had and something worth shouting out against. (I am still in doubt over the current power of protests. ACLU work got things done.)

This isn't over yet either, as other countries will have to comply to the standards set and if they don't you may see more refugee holds. At the same time, Saudi agreed to take in refugees.

The Obama admin didn't single out Muslims, and it pertained to one country during the height of an ISIS..."situation." Nor did they shitcan green cards and visas. Trump has specifically called for a ban of Muslim immigration, and as early as a couple days ago even stated he will give Christian refugees priority.

The people specifying Muslims are the press, the public and Rudy Guliani.

This is all about ISIS so I'm not sure why you bring up the rest or the green card thing again. I don't see the point there.

The Christian refugee bit is because they are a minority religion in regions producing refugees and they were being accepted as refugees at a rate much lower than their representation in those countries. It's not just Christians who benefit but Jews as well. Minority religions of refugee nations are given priority. The idea is they face greater chance of persecution. You can debate that if you want.

Deny entrance from countries where exactly 0 citizens of said countries have entered our soil and committed terrorist attacks that kill civilians. In the process shutting off and extensively harming morale and safety of the vital network of Iraqi interpreters and agents aiding in the key fight against Isis that desperately need refuge.

.....Meanwhile doing nothing about the countries where over 3000 American citizens were killed that you just happen to have businesses in.

this entire policy is one big fucked up farce. The policy is inadequate, hasty, reckless and dangerous. From a military and safety standpoint it is only a negative. If the current policy is inadequate, to which Trump has failed to specify in any detail why, the evidence does not bear that out. Not to mention breaking international laws we signed as the primary nation in the Geneva conventions.

[Nola]

WASHINGTON — Acting Attorney General Sally Q. Yates, a holdover from the Obama administration, ordered the Justice Department on Monday not to defend President Trump’s executive order on immigration in court.

“I am responsible for ensuring that the positions we take in court remain consistent with this institution’s solemn obligation to always seek justice and stand for what is right,” Ms. Yates wrote in letter to Justice Department lawyers. “At present, I am not convinced that the defense of the Executive Order is consistent with these responsibilities nor am I convinced that the Executive Order is lawful.”

The decision is largely symbolic — Mr. Trump’s nominee to be attorney general, Jeffrey Sessions, is likely to be confirmed soon — but it highlights the deep divide at the Justice Department and elsewhere in the government over Mr. Trump’s order.

Mr. Trump has the authority to fire Ms. Yates but, as the top Senate-confirmed official at the Justice Department, she is the only one authorized to sign foreign surveillance warrants, an essential function at the department.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/us/politics/attorney-general-civil-rights-refugee.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=64859564&pgtype=Homepage

[Mandark]

Gulianni stated that Trump specifically asked him how he could ban Muslims...

Trump called for a blanket ban on Muslims entering the country, on camera in front of a crowd. It's on his own website. Not terribly much to discuss here.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Well, we don't know if he meant "ban muslims" or "ban muslims" I mean we gotta wait and see.

[Rufus]

Gulianni stated that Trump specifically asked him how he could ban Muslims...

Trump called for a blanket ban on Muslims entering the country, on camera in front of a crowd. It's on his own website. Not terribly much to discuss here.

Something something, mind reading powers.

[Phoenix Dark]

Gulianni stated that Trump specifically asked him how he could ban Muslims...

Trump called for a blanket ban on Muslims entering the country, on camera in front of a crowd. It's on his own website. Not terribly much to discuss here.

Not admissible in a court of law though. Let's not jump to conclusions.

[Joe Molotov]

Where's the ENIGMA machine? We need to crack this code!

[FStop7]

Where's the ENIGMA machine? We need to crack this code!

Sorry, our Special Relationship Pals did away with the chap who broke ENIGMA for the crime of being gay.

[WanderingWind]

This really is unprecedented. The entire thing.  Literally nobody could have seen a president sitting down the head of the military and replacing him with the Chief Yes Man on the national security council. Nobody fucking knows what's going to happen next. I'm no spring chicken. This shit is the craziest fucking thing to happen in my lifetime.

[Phoenix Dark]

I saw an analysis that placed Hardiman to the left of Roberts. That's interesting. From reading his bio I would have put him slightly to the right, but I probably overlooked some things.

I guess if he's Roberts-level or slightly left of him, I could live with that.

That's what I'm saying lol. Religious right doesn't trust him either. That's the best dems will get. Assuming McConnell doesn't want to shitcan the filibuster.

[Great Rumbler]

This really is unprecedented. The entire thing.  Literally nobody could have seen a president sitting down the head of the military and replacing him with the Chief Yes Man on the national security council. Nobody fucking knows what's going to happen next. I'm no spring chicken. This shit is the craziest fucking thing to happen in my lifetime.

I think you'd have to go back to Tricky Dick to get to this level of crazy, but on the other hand I think it's easy to forget about the awfulness of Reagan and especially Bush II admins.

[etiolate]

jebus the WH statement on Yates firing is petty as fuck

[TakingBackSunday]

Fuck everything

[helios]

It's only been a week and a half and I can't keep up with everything.

[Phoenix Dark]

Yeah, and I think a filibuster of Hardiman will result in the nuclear option. Dems need to preserve the filibuster for a later day. If Ginsburg or Breyer go down, they're going to need it in order to at least moderate the replacement, even if they can't block it.

Best case scenario is they magically take out Flake + Heller + one other (Cruz?) in 2018 on a surge of massive voter dissatisfaction with Trump, but the most likely scenario is the Republicans hold at least 50 seats (so a majority with Pence) through 2020.

Shumer is saying they won't confirm any SC pick, reports they're going to filibuster the remaining cabinet nominees. Specifically Sessions. We'll see.

After the last ten days McConnell is probably less confident about breaking the filibuster.

[etiolate]

That letter is pretty much, "the babysitter's dead dude"

[Syph]

Fuck Elon Musk

He's a huckster. I've been banging this drum well before he joined Trump's gang of distinguished mentally-challenged fellows. Dude is a fraud.

lol how is he a fraud his goal in life is literally to save the human race by making it a multi-planetary species
he could sit on his billions and jerk off everyday but instead he takes risk after risk to try and improve peoples' lives

I hope Trump goes after the gays hard.

Lots of wealthy white gays.

Target the Jews next and you have your bingo

wtf are you talking about
trump's son-in-law is jewish

[Nola]

I think the most obvious answer to Musk is his entire business rests on very fragile ground being so tied up in the emerging green energy sector and some government dependent revenue streams.

Plus he is just being a wise businessman.

If I were a major shareholder and I heard the CEO turned his nose up at sitting at a table and trying to influence the new administration I would be pissed. Especially a president that loves petty vendettas and trying to turn his zombie following onto his enemies. And is currently the opposite of sympathetic to his economic sector.

[helios]

https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/826277010259460099

[Huff]

Re: replacing AG Yates and Daniel Ragsdale

So these are appointed positions correct? Originally from the Obama administration? So being replaced was expected?

I'm trying to separate the the actually terrible things going on from the rest

[brawndolicious]

He fired the AG as well as the the acting director of ICE. I set up a recurring donation to the ACLU last night and am considering buying a semi-auto gun despite hating the modern gun industry since I was a teenager.

I'm sure right now people are in shock but between him fracturing the leadership of the country and taking away rights from so many groups, it won't be long before people lose faith in General Mattis talking him down or the Intelligence Community dropping evidence of treason. I think a general strike may be the only option.

[bluemax]

The Medium post Breitbart doesn't want you to read: https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.139dz3k8s

I hope Trump goes after the gays hard.

Lots of wealthy white gays.

Target the Jews next and you have your bingo

I mean they specifically and unapologetically left out mentioning Jews when talking about a HOLOCAUST memorial: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-trump-administration-holocaust-statement-20170129-story.html I don't know what more you want to know they don't like Jews.

[Huff]

Trump replacing Obama's people seems pretty non-storyish, outside of the way it's been handled

Unless I'm understanding this wrong

[The Legend of Sunblade]

Trump replacing Obama's people seems pretty non-storyish, outside of the way it's been handled

Unless I'm understanding this wrong

Ragsdale got appointed to that position by the Trump admin 10 days ago.

[thisismyusername]

Whooops forgot one  https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/826197552995373057
http://i.imgur.com/bjGBohu.png?1

lmao.

Good luck with that. Any Comp Sci teacher will just send trump a bunch of "Hello World" variants in attempt to troll the hell out of him.

[Nola]

I think the way he's handling it is why everyone is getting bothered, yeah.

 http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trump-immigration-congress-order-234392

Yeah, so much crazy uprooting of past precedence and hasty/reckless decisions are getting piled on it feels like Trump telling all the ambassadors to GTFO was like months ago:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-barack-obama-ambassador-orders-resign-inauguration-day-20-january-president-elect-leave-a7512631.html

[Syph]

He fired the AG as well as the the acting director of ICE. I set up a recurring donation to the ACLU last night and am considering buying a semi-auto gun despite hating the modern gun industry since I was a teenager.

I'm sure right now people are in shock but between him fracturing the leadership of the country and taking away rights from so many groups, it won't be long before people lose faith in General Mattis talking him down or the Intelligence Community dropping evidence of treason. I think a general strike may be the only option.

which groups had rights taken away?

[Raist]

Fuck Elon Musk

He's a huckster. I've been banging this drum well before he joined Trump's gang of distinguished mentally-challenged fellows. Dude is a fraud.

lol how is he a fraud his goal in life is literally to save the human race by making it a multi-planetary species
he could sit on his billions and jerk off everyday but instead he takes risk after risk to try and improve peoples' lives

Let's be fair, his Mars talk is a bit of PRish nonsense. The hyperloop thing is dumb as fuck, too.

But the guy is certainly pragmatic and knows how to get (most) shit done. Also quite willing to take some risks. So he's a good entrepreneur which is more than can be said about 99.9% of his pairs. Not quite the sort of genius saviour of humanity some paint him as, but he's not a fraud either. And a funny real life version of the socially awkward nerd archetype.

[agrajag]

But I thought Donald was the first Presidential candidate to be endorsed by ICE?  Why would the Donald fire their director?

[Syph]

Fuck Elon Musk

He's a huckster. I've been banging this drum well before he joined Trump's gang of distinguished mentally-challenged fellows. Dude is a fraud.

lol how is he a fraud his goal in life is literally to save the human race by making it a multi-planetary species
he could sit on his billions and jerk off everyday but instead he takes risk after risk to try and improve peoples' lives

Let's be fair, his Mars talk is a bit of PRish nonsense. The hyperloop thing is dumb as fuck, too.

But the guy is certainly pragmatic and knows how to get (most) shit done. Also quite willing to take some risks. So he's a good entrepreneur which is more than can be said about 99.9% of his pairs. Not quite the sort of genius saviour of humanity some paint him as, but he's not a fraud either. And a funny real life version of the socially awkward nerd archetype.

I genuinely disagree about the Mars talk being PR. SpaceX has been going great lately; baby steps but the goal has always been Mars.
Hyperloop is a pipedream and at least publicly seems to be an idea in the earliest of planning stages.
And perhaps he isn't the genius savor that I am painting him as, but I think he deserves significant points for trying and putting his money where his mouth is.
But yea he's definitely awkward lol

[VomKriege]

My mother is throwing shoes at her TV yelling "This fucker is gonna destroy us all.".
- Foreign Policy podcast

[Samson Manhug]

Why are people like Brand New and am nintenho (and many other liberals, not to just call them out) suddenly interested in purchasing firearms? How do you think that will affect anything? What do you think that will prevent? If you were morally anti-gun before, how has a new administration changed your core principles? Does owning guns suddenly not increase risk of gun violence?

I'm just curious how the opposition taking power makes you want to join them on a major political issue, like gun rights/control. Were you always wrong about guns and just now realize it?

Sorry if this seems like a troll but it's very interesting to me as a gun owning progressive and as someone who is curious how people change sides on major issues like this.

[Trurl]

The day after the election I was arguing about the result with a Trump supporting coworker.  He said that Hillary would have taken all of our guns.  I was livid and screamed "there are people in the world with real problems and you're worried about a fucking hobby."

3 weeks ago he killed himself by shooting himself in the stomach.

[CatsCatsCats]

Why are people like Brand New and am nintenho (and many other liberals, not to just call them out) suddenly interested in purchasing firearms? How do you think that will affect anything? What do you think that will prevent? If you were morally anti-gun before, how has a new administration changed your core principles? Does owning guns suddenly not increase risk of gun violence?

I'm just curious how the opposition taking power makes you want to join them on a major political issue, like gun rights/control. Were you always wrong about guns and just now realize it?

Sorry if this seems like a troll but it's very interesting to me as a gun owning progressive and as someone who is curious how people change sides on major issues like this.

Seems to me fear would be the motivator, like it was for people stock piling ammo under Obama, etc

I mean, it's easy to be antigun if you don't feel like you need one

[brawndolicious]

He fired the AG as well as the the acting director of ICE. I set up a recurring donation to the ACLU last night and am considering buying a semi-auto gun despite hating the modern gun industry since I was a teenager.

I'm sure right now people are in shock but between him fracturing the leadership of the country and taking away rights from so many groups, it won't be long before people lose faith in General Mattis talking him down or the Intelligence Community dropping evidence of treason. I think a general strike may be the only option.

which groups had rights taken away?

Middle-eastern immigrants and DACA recipients. Although you can argue what a right is for the second group I guess but yeah it was an unpopular move.

Why are people like Brand New and am nintenho (and many other liberals, not to just call them out) suddenly interested in purchasing firearms? How do you think that will affect anything? What do you think that will prevent? If you were morally anti-gun before, how has a new administration changed your core principles? Does owning guns suddenly not increase risk of gun violence?

I'm just curious how the opposition taking power makes you want to join them on a major political issue, like gun rights/control. Were you always wrong about guns and just now realize it?

Sorry if this seems like a troll but it's very interesting to me as a gun owning progressive and as someone who is curious how people change sides on major issues like this.

Personally I don't think the military is going to shoot civilians but I expect a lot of nationalistic militias will feel empowered to intimidate people of color or liberals.

[Rufus]

The day after the election I was arguing about the result with a Trump supporting coworker.  He said that Hillary would have taken all of our guns.  I was livid and screamed "there are people in the world with real problems and you're worried about a fucking hobby."

3 weeks ago he killed himself by shooting himself in the stomach.

2nd most common use case, no? Bummer, and double bummer that he went for his stomach instead of his head. Seems like a miserable way to go.

Also, I partially echo Samson's question. I understand minorities being more afraid for their personal safety, but BrandNew surprised me.

[james]

How the fuck can this last four years? Seriously?

Ive said it before. The Dems need to shut down government. Period. No budget, no ability to push their garbage through.

We know voters dont care.

[Cerveza mas fina]

brandnew is white what is he afraid for?

 

[james]

I would rather have Musk trying to influence Trump than not have him doing that.

"Oh dont worry, I was sitting on Hitlers advisory council telling him to gas less ejws, Im one of the good ones"

[james]

Re: replacing AG Yates and Daniel Ragsdale

So these are appointed positions correct? Originally from the Obama administration? So being replaced was expected?

I'm trying to separate the the actually terrible things going on from the rest

No, these are already the replacements. Loretta Lynch not ring a bell? She was dismissed on Jan 20.

He is firing his chosen temp replacements at 10pm.

Expected?

[Atramental]

brandnew is white what is he afraid for?

 

Lethal and daily doses of white guilt.

[Cerveza mas fina]

afraid of 

[james]

Why are people like Brand New and am nintenho (and many other liberals, not to just call them out) suddenly interested in purchasing firearms? How do you think that will affect anything? What do you think that will prevent? If you were morally anti-gun before, how has a new administration changed your core principles? Does owning guns suddenly not increase risk of gun violence?

I'm just curious how the opposition taking power makes you want to join them on a major political issue, like gun rights/control. Were you always wrong about guns and just now realize it?

Sorry if this seems like a troll but it's very interesting to me as a gun owning progressive and as someone who is curious how people change sides on major issues like this.

If Trump starts sending in the military to quell protests we need to be prepared

You dont go to a machine gun fight with a swiss army knife