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« Reply #10860 on: November 14, 2017, 06:58:56 PM »
Where should we seek out better info? Maybe Hannity tonight, or go straight to the source and ask Kim.com?
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« Reply #10861 on: November 14, 2017, 07:05:33 PM »
https://www.axios.com/cruz-and-paul-are-the-only-senators-who-still-endorse-roy-moore-2509199957.html

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This story originally stated that Sens. Ted Cruz and Rand Paul were the only senators who had not withdrawn their endorsements of Roy Moore's candidacy in light of the sexual assault allegations against him. Cruz has since pulled his endorsement, per his office, leaving Paul as the sole senator endorsing Moore.

Sen. John Cornyn withdrew his endorsement Monday, and Sens. Mike Lee and Steve Daines did so Friday. Go deeper: How Republicans have responded to the accusations against Moore.

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« Reply #10862 on: November 14, 2017, 07:33:52 PM »
kingv: We already knew Wikileaks had been in contact with Trump Jr, going back to the Goldstone thing. We know that because they said they contacted themselves. They also said back then that it'd be better to leak through Wikileaks. All we learned is that they had other, similar correspondence. And then the Atlantic article does a slight of hand by putting in the Russia operative claim on Wikileaks which has no proof or basis.

And this is all about Wiki contact Trump Jr about a PAC that spread the Iraq lies starting up a website for the Russia/Trump narrative.

Just to be clear. What is documented in those emails is already a crime.

Even if there is no Russia involvement whatsoever, coordinating with Wikileaks is a violation of Federal Election Law.

So at least we both agree that crimes were committed.

what crime

Accepting stolen digital media is a cyber crime and against the law.

So that one.

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« Reply #10863 on: November 14, 2017, 07:51:16 PM »
The Podesta and dnc emails... were those also FOIA requests? Or was there a crime committed?

Please stop being/pretending to be dumb.

DNC was likely an inside leak, not a hack. Podesta it seems most likely was someone getting into their email system, due to his poor password security. It could be an office worker or any curious hacker on the net.

When you're uninformed, the informed appears dumb to you.  Get better info.

PS: You didn't ask yourself that question.

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« Reply #10864 on: November 14, 2017, 07:54:30 PM »
The Podesta and dnc emails... were those also FOIA requests? Or was there a crime committed?

Please stop being/pretending to be dumb.

DNC was likely an inside leak, not a hack. Podesta it seems most likely was someone getting into their email system, due to his poor password security. It could be an office worker or any curious hacker on the net.

When you're uninformed, the informed appears dumb to you.  Get better info.

PS: You didn't ask yourself that question.

Please feel free to show some evidence that Podesta or DNC hacks were inside jobs because there is plenty of evidence that it was Russia.

Let me guess it’s that Patrick Laurence article suggesting that Seth rich did it? :gurl

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« Reply #10865 on: November 14, 2017, 08:24:42 PM »
The Podesta and dnc emails... were those also FOIA requests? Or was there a crime committed?

Please stop being/pretending to be dumb.

DNC was likely an inside leak, not a hack. Podesta it seems most likely was someone getting into their email system, due to his poor password security. It could be an office worker or any curious hacker on the net.

When you're uninformed, the informed appears dumb to you.  Get better info.

PS: You didn't ask yourself that question.

Please feel free to show some evidence that Podesta or DNC hacks were inside jobs because there is plenty of evidence that it was Russia.

Let me guess it’s that Patrick Laurence article suggesting that Seth rich did it? :gurl

http://g-2.space/

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-russia-hack-evidence/

And yes, the Laurence article about the VIPS memo.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/

I include it because the nation article includes a third party look at the memo, a VIPS disagreement with the memo and a rebuttal to the disagreement.

Overall, the g-2 space site is the most important for understanding why people seriously doubt the Russian hack narrative. Crowdstrike is the source of the claim of Russian hacking, but there is no independent review of that claim. Nothing in the Intel community would be valued without verification, but here we are on month X of Russiagate. It wouldn't be possible to verify the claim because the DNC servers were destroyed. Crowdstrike itself has reliability problems.

edit: counter strike lol too much vidya

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« Reply #10866 on: November 14, 2017, 08:32:30 PM »
Etiolate backing up a dump truck full of L's on these newbies.  :noah
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« Reply #10867 on: November 14, 2017, 08:39:56 PM »


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« Reply #10869 on: November 14, 2017, 08:52:29 PM »
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« Reply #10871 on: November 14, 2017, 10:20:11 PM »
stop getting excited about shit that amounts to nothing. They shouldn't blow their load until they at least pick up a few seats in the mid terms.

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« Reply #10872 on: November 14, 2017, 10:21:44 PM »
Posting a bunch of emotes = "blowing my load" ::)

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« Reply #10873 on: November 14, 2017, 10:28:12 PM »
I'm talking about Democrats blowing their loads. Why would I refer to you in plural form? 

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« Reply #10874 on: November 14, 2017, 10:31:28 PM »
:whew :obama :trumps :ahnuld2 :putin


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« Reply #10875 on: November 14, 2017, 11:20:03 PM »
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« Reply #10876 on: November 14, 2017, 11:20:22 PM »
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This shit is like the real life version of a late stage GAF OT thread.

Gutierrez, Cohen, Sherman, and Green are like those assholes that show up and shit up every thread with their self-aggrandizing leftwing purity nonsense and ruin it for everyone else....And Tom Steyer is definitely a real-life Lime.

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« Reply #10877 on: November 14, 2017, 11:24:55 PM »


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« Reply #10878 on: November 14, 2017, 11:25:42 PM »
Lime  :rejoice
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« Reply #10879 on: November 14, 2017, 11:28:11 PM »
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Get that politics bullshit the fuck atta hare!


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« Reply #10880 on: November 14, 2017, 11:33:59 PM »
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What





Hannity (hopefully)is getting to the Glen Beck stage of his career.

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« Reply #10882 on: November 14, 2017, 11:51:49 PM »


But I already smashed my Keurig!!!

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« Reply #10883 on: November 14, 2017, 11:57:29 PM »
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« Reply #10884 on: November 15, 2017, 12:00:03 AM »
Reading those comments seriously did a number on me.

"What about innocent until proven guilty Sean!!!!"

But Weinstein... :thinking

"Why don't we let the people of Alabama decide!!"

Um, we are? :lol The saddest part about comments like these is that at some level these people know and accept that Fox has a stranglehold on their voting decisions, and they're mad Fox is "trying" to "decide" the election... when they should really be upset Fox is that influential at all. :lol

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« Reply #10886 on: November 15, 2017, 12:23:52 AM »
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This shit is like the real life version of a late stage GAF OT thread.

Gutierrez, Cohen, Sherman, and Green are like those assholes that show up and shit up every thread with their self-aggrandizing leftwing purity nonsense and ruin it for everyone else....And Tom Steyer is definitely a real-life Lime.

Pls leave your message board grievances in the appropriate thread

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« Reply #10887 on: November 15, 2017, 12:39:16 AM »
The Podesta and dnc emails... were those also FOIA requests? Or was there a crime committed?

Please stop being/pretending to be dumb.

DNC was likely an inside leak, not a hack. Podesta it seems most likely was someone getting into their email system, due to his poor password security. It could be an office worker or any curious hacker on the net.

When you're uninformed, the informed appears dumb to you.  Get better info.

PS: You didn't ask yourself that question.

Please feel free to show some evidence that Podesta or DNC hacks were inside jobs because there is plenty of evidence that it was Russia.

Let me guess it’s that Patrick Laurence article suggesting that Seth rich did it? :gurl

http://g-2.space/

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-russia-hack-evidence/

And yes, the Laurence article about the VIPS memo.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/

I include it because the nation article includes a third party look at the memo, a VIPS disagreement with the memo and a rebuttal to the disagreement.

Overall, the g-2 space site is the most important for understanding why people seriously doubt the Russian hack narrative. Crowdstrike is the source of the claim of Russian hacking, but there is no independent review of that claim. Nothing in the Intel community would be valued without verification, but here we are on month X of Russiagate. It wouldn't be possible to verify the claim because the DNC servers were destroyed. Crowdstrike itself has reliability problems.

edit: counter strike lol too much vidya

I don’t really understand that the VIPS memo seems to mostly rest on the idea that nobody had a internet connection faster than 186 megabits per second (not bytes, bits). They should come over to Cox because a 300 mbps connections I like $200 with about a billion channels.

That g-2 space looks like some the_donald tier trash that will give your computer malware.

Put it this way, the people that have the most information in this scenario are the fbi and nsa. They are the ONLY organizations that have actually been able to investigate the actual computer systems. If they say they think the Russians did it, then no amount of metadata and time stamps is going to change my mind.

The director of the nsa and the fbi were nominated by Donald Trump. They work for him. He is their boss. If there is evidence that it’s an inside job for the DNC, why would they lie? Telling the truth would make their boss happy.

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« Reply #10888 on: November 15, 2017, 12:44:58 AM »
the deep state

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« Reply #10889 on: November 15, 2017, 01:25:26 AM »
That g-2 space looks like some the_donald tier trash that will give your computer malware.

Put it this way, the people that have the most information in this scenario are the fbi and nsa. They are the ONLY organizations that have actually been able to investigate the actual computer systems.
If they say they think the Russians did it, then no amount of metadata and time stamps is going to change my mind.

The director of the nsa and the fbi were nominated by Donald Trump. They work for him. He is their boss. If there is evidence that it’s an inside job for the DNC, why would they lie? Telling the truth would make their boss happy.
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If you read anything then you'd know the FBI has zero information. They are nodding along to the NSA. The FBI did not do their own separate investigation. The FBI never saw the servers. It's a question if the NSA knows much. Like I said, a Crowdstrike did the analysis.

I sent you those links so you could figure it out. Stop being an idiot and read the g-2 space.

As for data speeds, you'd have to have a Russian area agent running through multiple VPNs. You aren't getting that speed from that sort of source.

Also, the head of the NSA was not appointed by Trump. Those type of positions get nominated by the President, but exist beyond the election cycle.
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« Reply #10890 on: November 15, 2017, 01:59:27 AM »
Would you go to burger king and order tilapia?
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« Reply #10891 on: November 15, 2017, 03:11:24 AM »
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I snort laughed in the gym when that thing appeared.  It’s Claire Danes’ crazywall from Homeland come to life.

Tucker Carlson had a segment tonight hypothesizing that Amelia Earhardt was devoured by giant crabs.
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« Reply #10892 on: November 15, 2017, 06:25:56 AM »
That g-2 space looks like some the_donald tier trash that will give your computer malware.

Put it this way, the people that have the most information in this scenario are the fbi and nsa. They are the ONLY organizations that have actually been able to investigate the actual computer systems.
If they say they think the Russians did it, then no amount of metadata and time stamps is going to change my mind.

The director of the nsa and the fbi were nominated by Donald Trump. They work for him. He is their boss. If there is evidence that it’s an inside job for the DNC, why would they lie? Telling the truth would make their boss happy.
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If you read anything then you'd know the FBI has zero information. They are nodding along to the NSA. The FBI did not do their own separate investigation. The FBI never saw the servers. It's a question if the NSA knows much. Like I said, a Crowdstrike did the analysis.

I sent you those links so you could figure it out. Stop being an idiot and read the g-2 space.

As for data speeds, you'd have to have a Russian area agent running through multiple VPNs. You aren't getting that speed from that sort of source.

Also, the head of the NSA was not appointed by Trump. Those type of positions get nominated by the President, but exist beyond the election cycle.

This is basically conspiracy level garbage.

You’re argument hinges on the idea that the NSA is wrong or lying.

And you need to provide some reason why you think it is true.

And Guccifer posted during EST business hours or a VIPS report that was controversial even amongst the VIPS organization is not very good evidence.

Again, why would Mike Rogers lie? Is the NSA not able to evaluate the Crowdstrike evidence to see if it is convincing? Why do you think they are incompetent in this way?

You are saying that there is a conspiracy, so tell me why it all makes sense.

Edit: and who is Adam Carter? “An independent Guccifer 2.0 researcher” those are some might credentials and not just a guy in a tinfoil hat in the UK. (Probably a leaver too)
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« Reply #10893 on: November 15, 2017, 08:45:41 AM »
That g-2 space looks like some the_donald tier trash that will give your computer malware.

Put it this way, the people that have the most information in this scenario are the fbi and nsa. They are the ONLY organizations that have actually been able to investigate the actual computer systems.
If they say they think the Russians did it, then no amount of metadata and time stamps is going to change my mind.

The director of the nsa and the fbi were nominated by Donald Trump. They work for him. He is their boss. If there is evidence that it’s an inside job for the DNC, why would they lie? Telling the truth would make their boss happy.
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If you read anything then you'd know the FBI has zero information. They are nodding along to the NSA. The FBI did not do their own separate investigation. The FBI never saw the servers. It's a question if the NSA knows much. Like I said, a Crowdstrike did the analysis.

I sent you those links so you could figure it out. Stop being an idiot and read the g-2 space.

As for data speeds, you'd have to have a Russian area agent running through multiple VPNs. You aren't getting that speed from that sort of source.

Also, the head of the NSA was not appointed by Trump. Those type of positions get nominated by the President, but exist beyond the election cycle.

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« Reply #10894 on: November 15, 2017, 09:46:15 AM »
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Putting Putin right next to Hacked, I see you Hannity. I'm reassembling my Keurig. :bolo

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« Reply #10895 on: November 15, 2017, 09:47:57 AM »
https://twitter.com/chrisgeidner/status/930549726814130178


As someone else pointed out, there are two Obamas on the chart, and a line connecting them.

Finally, Obama linked to Obama.
Being one that loves a good ERD or process diagram this makes me want to punch someone in the throat.

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« Reply #10896 on: November 15, 2017, 09:56:46 AM »
Remember guys, etoilet doesn't want to believe the country's intelligence agencies, but found Sean Hannity and Kim.com to be credible sources of information during the Seth Rich "investigation."

There are only three possible explanations for etoilet's behavior, in increasing order of likelihood:

1) he's a troll
2) he's an idiot
3) a combo of both

If you engage, I would recommend not doing so as if you're engaging with someone making a good faith effort to argue things that have happened/are happening in this reality. Mocking is the proper treatment.
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« Reply #10897 on: November 15, 2017, 10:05:18 AM »
I read g2 space as well as some of the various VIPS rebuttals and basically the only thing I can agree on is that the metadata alone does not prove that the hack was Russian. And that’s it. It doesn’t disprove anything, nor prove anything about an internal compromise.

But there a lot of other data that says Russia was involved. We know that there was a sustained phishing attack on the dnc and the Hillary Clinton campaign. We know that Papadopoulos said that he had been offered Hillary’s emails by the “Russian professor”. We know that Veselnitskya offered some kind of intelligence information on Hillary Clinton.


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« Reply #10898 on: November 15, 2017, 10:10:12 AM »


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« Reply #10899 on: November 15, 2017, 10:17:25 AM »
Remember guys, etoilet doesn't want to believe the country's intelligence agencies, but found Sean Hannity and Kim.com to be credible sources of information during the Seth Rich "investigation."

There are only three possible explanations for etoilet's behavior, in increasing order of likelihood:

1) he's a troll
2) he's an idiot
3) a combo of both

If you engage, I would recommend not doing so as if you're engaging with someone making a good faith effort to argue things that have happened/are happening in this reality. Mocking is the proper treatment.


On one hand etiolate's "sources" are fucking distinguished mentally-challenged, on the other liberals being so eager to believe intelligence agencies shows how gullible and pro-status quo they are. Intelligence agencies didn't have a problem lying to the American people to start wars that killed hundreds of thousands of people, but sure, let's believe them now because they definitely don't have an agenda and would definitely not lie to you.

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« Reply #10900 on: November 15, 2017, 10:20:28 AM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/930815626460921856

When will #FakeMedia report on this foreign trip #win?
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« Reply #10901 on: November 15, 2017, 11:04:41 AM »
It was a real HOME RUN! #MAGA #lockherup #ripsethrich
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« Reply #10902 on: November 15, 2017, 11:08:24 AM »
The NSA has lied to the American people before and there was no real consequence for it. They were still violating the constitution up to a year or two ago, got caught again and then dragged out 'corrections'.  So, no, I don't have an issue thinking the NSA or CIA (considering the history of both) would lie to the populace.

You default to tinfoil hat cartoon characters because you keep making the same mistake. You were wrong on the Hilary emails. Didn't self correct. You were wrong about the FBI. Didn't self-correct. You were wrong about the NSA. Still don't look at why you keep getting things wrong. You expect this information to come from a NYT or a WaPo? Those news sources don't do this sort of stuff. They live in a symbiotic relationship with these government agencies. The WaPo is a CIA copywriter. There's not a lot of real investigative journalists left. Several of the major news sits kept repeating the 17 intel agencies myth. Took "questionable" sources to call them out and have any of them correct it. Still some of them repeat the claim. A twitter rant conspiracy from a journalist posted here did it like last week.

Seriously, :lol if you think the characterization of me here is in anyway real.

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« Reply #10903 on: November 15, 2017, 11:29:04 AM »
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/11/15/north-korea-trumps-asia-visit-he-deserves-death/865390001/

Turns out Impeachment is unnecessary, DPRK has already sentenced Donald Trump to death. #MKGA
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« Reply #10904 on: November 15, 2017, 11:30:18 AM »
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/11/15/north-korea-trumps-asia-visit-he-deserves-death/865390001/

Turns out Impeachment is unnecessary, DPRK has already sentenced Donald Trump to death. #MKGA

Why is the short, fat rocketman acting up, Trump just wants to be his friend

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« Reply #10905 on: November 15, 2017, 11:37:02 AM »
Remember guys, etoilet doesn't want to believe the country's intelligence agencies, but found Sean Hannity and Kim.com to be credible sources of information during the Seth Rich "investigation."

There are only three possible explanations for etoilet's behavior, in increasing order of likelihood:

1) he's a troll
2) he's an idiot
3) a combo of both

If you engage, I would recommend not doing so as if you're engaging with someone making a good faith effort to argue things that have happened/are happening in this reality. Mocking is the proper treatment.


On one hand etiolate's "sources" are fucking distinguished mentally-challenged, on the other liberals being so eager to believe intelligence agencies shows how gullible and pro-status quo they are. Intelligence agencies didn't have a problem lying to the American people to start wars that killed hundreds of thousands of people, but sure, let's believe them now because they definitely don't have an agenda and would definitely not lie to you.

So what alternative explanation do you offer up and what is the evidence for it? Because setting aside vague insinuations to be skeptical of the intelligence community, which I think skepticism is pretty innate with anyone on this forum, the evidence is pretty overwhelming with the finger pointing in the same direction. Which fits the profile of what other countries have seen and Russia’s own infrastructure and statements by people that work for these Russian agencies.

Etoilet backed himself into a corner by latching onto Seth Rich and now feeling the need to defend the underlying premise to save face. No need for everyone else to start buying into faux computer experts on a conspiracy site deriving entire arguments from weak assumptions from speedtest data.


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« Reply #10906 on: November 15, 2017, 11:42:34 AM »
The NSA has lied to the American people before and there was no real consequence for it. They were still violating the constitution up to a year or two ago, got caught again and then dragged out 'corrections'.  So, no, I don't have an issue thinking the NSA or CIA (considering the history of both) would lie to the populace.

You default to tinfoil hat cartoon characters because you keep making the same mistake. You were wrong on the Hilary emails. Didn't self correct. You were wrong about the FBI. Didn't self-correct. You were wrong about the NSA. Still don't look at why you keep getting things wrong. You expect this information to come from a NYT or a WaPo? Those news sources don't do this sort of stuff. They live in a symbiotic relationship with these government agencies. The WaPo is a CIA copywriter. There's not a lot of real investigative journalists left. Several of the major news sits kept repeating the 17 intel agencies myth. Took "questionable" sources to call them out and have any of them correct it. Still some of them repeat the claim. A twitter rant conspiracy from a journalist posted here did it like last week.

Seriously, :lol if you think the characterization of me here is in anyway real.

Are you talking to me? Yes, I was wrong on some ancillary minutia. None of which actually proves any part of your assertion.

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« Reply #10908 on: November 15, 2017, 12:12:08 PM »
Hillary should be impeached from having her freedom #lockherup #MAGA

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« Reply #10909 on: November 15, 2017, 12:19:24 PM »
Benji please add your avatar back


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« Reply #10910 on: November 15, 2017, 12:38:23 PM »
i did a few days ago? my version has always been cropped in on the chairman and his new synthesis works

as a result sometimes i've misidentified him as Generalissimo Meow in the past



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Generalissimo Meow can be seen originally named "Chairman Meow" in pre-release trailers for Risk: Factions. 
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« Reply #10911 on: November 15, 2017, 12:49:57 PM »
The NSA has lied to the American people before and there was no real consequence for it. They were still violating the constitution up to a year or two ago, got caught again and then dragged out 'corrections'.  So, no, I don't have an issue thinking the NSA or CIA (considering the history of both) would lie to the populace.

You default to tinfoil hat cartoon characters because you keep making the same mistake. You were wrong on the Hilary emails. Didn't self correct. You were wrong about the FBI. Didn't self-correct. You were wrong about the NSA. Still don't look at why you keep getting things wrong. You expect this information to come from a NYT or a WaPo? Those news sources don't do this sort of stuff. They live in a symbiotic relationship with these government agencies. The WaPo is a CIA copywriter. There's not a lot of real investigative journalists left. Several of the major news sits kept repeating the 17 intel agencies myth. Took "questionable" sources to call them out and have any of them correct it. Still some of them repeat the claim. A twitter rant conspiracy from a journalist posted here did it like last week.

Seriously, :lol if you think the characterization of me here is in anyway real.

Are you talking to me? Yes, I was wrong on some ancillary minutia. None of which actually proves any part of your assertion.

You were wrong on those things because you assumed what you've been told is true and you've been lead to think certain ways. My point is to stop placing all this faith in authorities who have lied in the past and start looking for real evidence and data. You said there was other data that said it was Russia? Where? What data? At least the people I link to show their evidence for their findings so I can figure it out for myself. The NSA does not.

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« Reply #10912 on: November 15, 2017, 12:53:49 PM »
wtf, how did I not notice. I think my brain is fucked

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« Reply #10913 on: November 15, 2017, 01:48:11 PM »
Remember guys, etoilet doesn't want to believe the country's intelligence agencies, but found Sean Hannity and Kim.com to be credible sources of information during the Seth Rich "investigation."

There are only three possible explanations for etoilet's behavior, in increasing order of likelihood:

1) he's a troll
2) he's an idiot
3) a combo of both

If you engage, I would recommend not doing so as if you're engaging with someone making a good faith effort to argue things that have happened/are happening in this reality. Mocking is the proper treatment.


On one hand etiolate's "sources" are fucking distinguished mentally-challenged, on the other liberals being so eager to believe intelligence agencies shows how gullible and pro-status quo they are. Intelligence agencies didn't have a problem lying to the American people to start wars that killed hundreds of thousands of people, but sure, let's believe them now because they definitely don't have an agenda and would definitely not lie to you.

So what alternative explanation do you offer up and what is the evidence for it? Because setting aside vague insinuations to be skeptical of the intelligence community, which I think skepticism is pretty innate with anyone on this forum, the evidence is pretty overwhelming with the finger pointing in the same direction. Which fits the profile of what other countries have seen and Russia’s own infrastructure and statements by people that work for these Russian agencies.

Etoilet backed himself into a corner by latching onto Seth Rich and now feeling the need to defend the underlying premise to save face. No need for everyone else to start buying into faux computer experts on a conspiracy site deriving entire arguments from weak assumptions from speedtest data.


I don't have to offer "alternative explanations", I just don't believe these psychopathic scumbags about anything they "leak". When there's real hard evidence that they make public and not six degrees of Kevin Bacon I'll believe them. Liberals have been parroting corporate media and these intelligence community "leaks" for months now and still, you have nothing to show for it. You people make conservatives look like fucking rebels with all that status quo shilling.

And let me make these insinuations less vague. The intelligence community orchestrated a a huge lie about Saddam Hussein having nuclear weapons to start a war that killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. The intelligence community and the American government purposely and methodically hid connections of the 9/11 attacks with the Saudi scum and blamed it on the Taliban to start another pointless war. These are war criminals and fear-mongers so shame to anyone who takes them seriously.

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« Reply #10914 on: November 15, 2017, 01:54:25 PM »
Why "leaks" with quotes around it?

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« Reply #10915 on: November 15, 2017, 02:28:43 PM »
Why "leaks" with quotes around it?

Because a leak is something that happens when an individual or a small group of individuals in a large organization risk everything to reveal important info to the public that the specific organization wanted to keep hidden, not when these large organizations reveal info to their corporate media buddies that may or may not be true to push their own agendas.
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« Reply #10916 on: November 15, 2017, 02:33:17 PM »
Allison Ikley-Freeman's win in a deep-red Oklahoma district is further proof that grassroots campaigning is much more important than expensive data modeling and DC wonkery.

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« Reply #10917 on: November 15, 2017, 02:43:09 PM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/930815626460921856

When will #FakeMedia report on this foreign trip #win?
Well thank god he's paying attention to the important things.
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« Reply #10918 on: November 15, 2017, 02:57:05 PM »
And let me make these insinuations less vague. The intelligence community orchestrated a a huge lie about Saddam Hussein having nuclear weapons to start a war that killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. The intelligence community and the American government purposely and methodically hid connections of the 9/11 attacks with the Saudi scum and blamed it on the Taliban to start another pointless war. These are war criminals and fear-mongers so shame to anyone who takes them seriously.
I think we should be historically accurate here especially with things we've lived through. The intelligence community writ large did not push anything about Saddam having nuclear weapons or blaming the 9/11 attacks on the Taliban. The Bush Administration did not even go that far with Saddam, instead they did everything they could to create that impression without making the exact claim because for one, the intelligence community and their allies were already pushing back against such a claim and were trying to erode even the lower tier WMD claims.

The Taliban were not, to my knowledge, ever blamed directly for 9/11 by any American officials of importance. They were accused of cooperating with and protecting al Qaeda, specifically bin Laden himself. They were also essentially given an ultimatum they could not comply with simply for the show of diplomacy that went much like the Austrian-Hungarian equivalent to Serbia. This relationship wasn't untrue, and was known prior to 9/11, al Qaeda was helping prop up The Taliban as well. There wasn't any need to fake or lie about any of this, it was public knowledge. The Saudi "misdirection" is arguably far less egregious (especially considering they were at war with al Qaeda) than the longer term Pakistan one.

We can point much more easily to things regarding the intelligence communities willingness to lie for nonsensical institutional reasons by looking at James Clapper's repeated perjury to the U.S. Senate regarding something (Snowden's NSA leaks) that was already public knowledge and the entire reason he was being questioned. We don't need to invent elaborate conspiracies that run counter to historical facts when they do it willingly and openly.

Because a leak is something that happens when an individual or a small group of individuals in a large organization risk everything to reveal important info to the public that the specific organization wanted to keep hidden, not when these large organizations reveal info to their corporate media buddies that may or may not be true to push their own agendas.
A leak is simply when information gets out against the "leaked from" organization's desire. E3 leaks are still leaks, even though nobody has "risked everything to reveal important info to the public" and sometimes those are even planted stories, even by competitors. I remember Steve Race when he was at Sony infamously revealed Sega's upcoming price drop they were going to announce at E3 offhand during an interview to somebody the week before. I want to say he did the same thing about the Saturn's early US release, like the night before Sega's E3 press conference.

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« Reply #10919 on: November 15, 2017, 03:16:20 PM »
And let me make these insinuations less vague. The intelligence community orchestrated a a huge lie about Saddam Hussein having nuclear weapons to start a war that killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. The intelligence community and the American government purposely and methodically hid connections of the 9/11 attacks with the Saudi scum and blamed it on the Taliban to start another pointless war. These are war criminals and fear-mongers so shame to anyone who takes them seriously.
I think we should be historically accurate here especially with things we've lived through. The intelligence community writ large did not push anything about Saddam having nuclear weapons or blaming the 9/11 attacks on the Taliban. The Bush Administration did not even go that far with Saddam, instead they did everything they could to create that impression without making the exact claim because for one, the intelligence community and their allies were already pushing back against such a claim and were trying to erode even the lower tier WMD claims.

The Taliban were not, to my knowledge, ever blamed directly for 9/11 by any American officials of importance. They were accused of cooperating with and protecting al Qaeda, specifically bin Laden himself. They were also essentially given an ultimatum they could not comply with simply for the show of diplomacy that went much like the Austrian-Hungarian equivalent to Serbia. This relationship wasn't untrue, and was known prior to 9/11, al Qaeda was helping prop up The Taliban as well. There wasn't any need to fake or lie about any of this, it was public knowledge. The Saudi "misdirection" is arguably far less egregious (especially considering they were at war with al Qaeda) than the longer term Pakistan one.

We can point much more easily to things regarding the intelligence communities willingness to lie for nonsensical institutional reasons by looking at James Clapper's repeated perjury to the U.S. Senate regarding something (Snowden's NSA leaks) that was already public knowledge and the entire reason he was being questioned. We don't need to invent elaborate conspiracies that run counter to historical facts when they do it willingly and openly.

The intelligence community in collaboration with the Bush admin did what they're doing now, "leak" stuff to their corporate media buddies that then spoonfed them to the public. I really don't care that it wasn't a "commit perjury" type of situation, it's still a huge lie that started a war and cost people their lives.


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A leak is simply when information gets out against the "leaked from" organization's desire. E3 leaks are still leaks, even though nobody has "risked everything to reveal important info to the public" and sometimes those are even planted stories, even by competitors. I remember Steve Race when he was at Sony infamously revealed Sega's upcoming price drop they were going to announce at E3 offhand during an interview to somebody the week before. I want to say he did the same thing about the Saturn's early US release, like the night before Sega's E3 press conference.

OK, but why are you assuming that these "leaks" are against the intelligence community's desire? If they are the intelligence community sure has a peculiar way of showing how upset they are this time, last time this happened they forced Snowden to hide in Russia. I wonder why there isn't a manhunt for the leakers this time around....

Also, when you break an NDA you risk losing your job even in the videogames industry.