US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Mandark]

Do you mind if I ask you how old you are/around what time you became politically engaged?

[benjipwns]

Do you mind if I ask you how old you are/around what time you became politically engaged?

Canonically or...

[benjipwns]

Also, when you break an NDA you risk losing your job even in the videogames industry.

Yeah, you risk losing your job. With a toy company.

Chelsea Manning got off amazingly lightly because she was in the spotlight and her treatment alone is still reason enough for Snowden to not come back. Probably especially because he was only a contractor. If you're assuming a malevolent federal government, they have no interest in providing due process for Snowden. The military had its turf to protect as a counterweight in Manning's case which probably worked to her advantage.

[Optimus]

Also, when you break an NDA you risk losing your job even in the videogames industry.

Yeah, you risk losing your job. With a toy company.

Chelsea Manning got off amazingly lightly because she was in the spotlight and her treatment alone is still reason enough for Snowden to not come back. Probably especially because he was only a contractor. If you're assuming a malevolent federal government, they have no interest in providing due process for Snowden. The military had its turf to protect as a counterweight in Manning's case which probably worked to her advantage.

I agree with everything you said. My point though is that these aren't actual leaks, it's info the intelligence community deliberately feeds to corporate media and nothing more. Info we don't even know if true given how many times they've lied before the exact same way.

[etiolate]

So more sanctions and blockage of money into NK, but I doubt China stops funding them.

I need a gif of him drinking the water bottle

[Valhelm]

I unironically think Trump and Xi should meet with Kim Jong-un. That would probably be enough to make Trump de-escalate.

[benjipwns]

Why is Trump not using Plenipotentiary Rodman more?

[benjipwns]

Matthew Yglesias chasing that Alt-Reich money, throws entire Democratic Party and all women to ever live under the bus: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/15/16634776/clinton-lewinsky-resigned

Bill Clinton should have resigned

What he did to Monica Lewinsky was wrong, and he should have paid the price.

In Clinton’s case, of course, part of the endgame is that a few months after his acquittal on impeachment charges, his wife launched her first Senate campaign. Once Hillary Clinton threw her hat into the ring, she immediately became America’s presumptive first woman president, creating a kind of reputational vortex that shielded her husband’s behavior from scrutiny. Attacking Bill was, by extension, an attack on Hillary — an attack that most people in leading positions in American progressive politics had no desire to make.

But now that Hillary is out of electoral politics and has emerged as a bigger draw and more potent political force than her husband, there’s no excuse for Democrats not to look back on these events with more objectivity.

awaiting Verrit's debunking of this latest media hit piece on Hillary Clinton's 2020 campaign

[benjipwns]

 

[zomgee]

 

Jesus gods they're using the ephebophile excuse.

"In other countries..." "Ally has been in other countries." What in gods name?

Why not say she's a 1000 year old dragon?

[agrajag]

that guy reminds me of a really dumb cartoon character but I can't quite put my finger on it

[Mandark]

Looks like things are turning around for Roy Moore. The latest woman to come forward was 28 when he groped her.


edit: "According to Johnson, he asked questions about her young daughters, including what color eyes they had and if they were as pretty as she was." Never mind!

[agrajag]

what, this guy is also a minister

[Joe Molotov]

Hey, you look like a dirty foreigner-I mean have a diverse background! I'll bet you've got a few child brides back in your exotic home land of Canada? Well here in United States of Alabama of America, we don't cotton to your disgusting foreign ways. Here in America, we ask her mom's permission before sexing her up, you pervert! IF we had sex with them, which we most certainly didn't. But if we did, we would have asked.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Stolen from resistera, but 
http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/detroit-police-officers-fight-each-other-in-undercover-op-gone-wrong

Video here: http://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/watch-chilling-video-shows-where-botched-detroit-police-drug-raid-went-wrong

[Madrun Badrun]

'this mix up could have cost lives'   

[Phoenix Dark]

Only thing the DPD are good at is murdering strippers and hiding the evidence.

:kwame:

[Boogie]

Stolen from resistera, but 
http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/detroit-police-officers-fight-each-other-in-undercover-op-gone-wrong

Video here: http://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/watch-chilling-video-shows-where-botched-detroit-police-drug-raid-went-wrong

FYI, we have a dedicated "Cop Thread" here, I'mma crosspost this for ya.

But......

[chronovore]

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/930607056943378432

I actually shouted "FUCK YOU!" at my monitor when Sessions claimed he didn't understand the inference. Sadly, in 2017 there are 5-year-olds who can clearly make that connection, you fucking disingenuous hick.

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Second diagram needs 45º angle to be a Nazi swastika - Colbert is implying a buddhist conspiracy.

[Great Rumbler]

https://twitter.com/MooreSenate/status/930947969012158464

THE STATEMENT

[Mandark]

what, this guy is also a minister

Apparently he's a personal injury lawyer and went to a law school that's not currently accredited by the ABA.

He also got his license suspended for ambulance-chasing in 2014. He appealed the decision to the AL supreme court but lost unanimously.

That means that ROY MOORE VOTED TO UPHOLD THE SUSPENSION OF HIS OWN LAWYER.

[zomgee]

So now the story is that the signature in the yearbook is a forgery based on a signature from Ms. Nelson's divorce papers.

And he wasn't a D.A. at the time of the yearbook signing. He was deputy D.A.

And his assistant was Delver Adams at the time of Nelson's divorce.

So, therefore it was a photocopy of his signature from her divorce proceedings, signed Roy Moore, D.A.  in which her divorce papers were actually signed by Delver, so those are Delver's initials.



Except



https://mobile.twitter.com/stevennelson10/status/930921991951081472



But.... I'd say this is enough to get him elected.

Just based on precedence.


Because I mean how've you SEEN those videos of Joe Biden?! How he touches those kids? HE is the one we should be going after am I right?

[agrajag]

#lockhimup (Joe Biden)

[etiolate]

https://twitter.com/RobGeorge/status/930892782553698304

[Boredfrom]

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Maki is the only one that is by Roy Moore age range.

[chronovore]

https://twitter.com/MooreSenate/status/930947969012158464

THE STATEMENT

That is some straight up, partisan, Capulet vs. Montague bullshit. Homeboy is calling on his family to defend ALL their honor, even when it's clear Tybalt has brought this fucking shit on himself.

[thehunter116]

He called the school to creep on her.

 

[I'm a Puppy!]

https://twitter.com/MooreSenate/status/930947969012158464

THE STATEMENT

That is some straight up, partisan, Capulet vs. Montague bullshit. Homeboy is calling on his family to defend ALL their honor, even when it's clear Tybalt has brought this fucking shit on himself.

A plague on both their houses!

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/MooreSenate/status/930947969012158464

THE STATEMENT

The comments under that one 

https://twitter.com/MAGAGunslinger/status/930966943212949504

https://twitter.com/Nov2018election/status/930968138610630656

[benjipwns]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/

Anyway, this shit is why I say fuck Glenn Greenwald like a Brazilian dick.

He’s been carrying water for this crook for like 5 or 6 years. While he is much better at muddying the water than other talking heads, I now understand thst he he is so consumed with his ‘Amerikkka is evil’ narrative that that will always take precedence over any other competing narrative.

I’m pretty sure he’s just still upset that gay marriage wasn’t legal in 2007 and his husband got deported and he had to move to a third world country.

Edit2: mark my words the intercept will lead with some trash about how this really wasn’t all that bad within like a week... or ignore it completely.

https://theintercept.com/2017/11/15/wikileaks-julian-assange-donald-trump-jr-hillary-clinton/

[chronovore]

That is some straight up, partisan, Capulet vs. Montague bullshit. Homeboy is calling on his family to defend ALL their honor, even when it's clear Tybalt has brought this fucking shit on himself.

Then who are the star-crossed lovers?

Bannon and McConnell McTurtleface.

[Optimus]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/

Anyway, this shit is why I say fuck Glenn Greenwald like a Brazilian dick.

He’s been carrying water for this crook for like 5 or 6 years. While he is much better at muddying the water than other talking heads, I now understand thst he he is so consumed with his ‘Amerikkka is evil’ narrative that that will always take precedence over any other competing narrative.

I’m pretty sure he’s just still upset that gay marriage wasn’t legal in 2007 and his husband got deported and he had to move to a third world country.

Edit2: mark my words the intercept will lead with some trash about how this really wasn’t all that bad within like a week... or ignore it completely.

Assange isn't a crook, he's an admitted chaos agent. If you watched any of his interviews and lectures it's clear that he believes that capitalism must be "aided" to eat itself faster by any means necessary. I don't have it past him to directly collaborate with the Russian government either. What he wants is to turn capitalism and its institutions against themselves, aside from the fact that he has a personal vendetta against Clinton he correctly considered her far more dangerous to his plans than Trump because she represents neoliberal stability just like Obama before her. Sure the capitalist economy would be "stable" but the working class would slowly continue losing its rights, jobs, salaries, pensions, social safety net and so on just like it happened with Obama while neoliberalism would continue getting stronger. On the other hand Trump the buffoon represents neoliberal chaos, incompetence and decay, the working class will be screwed even further but it will serve Assange's plan of sabotaging capitalism.

Tbh I don't completely disagree with his methods, capitalism has overstayed its welcome and is now finishing off the planet, half measures like the Paris agreement won't do shit unless we get rid off the root of the problem, a system that only survives when there's growth, a growth that can only sustain itself by turning humanity into the virus of the planet (and yes I know it's a Matrix reference, couldn't find a better metaphor). Then again I don't agree with them either because he' playing a very dangerous game.

[kingv]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/

Anyway, this shit is why I say fuck Glenn Greenwald like a Brazilian dick.

He’s been carrying water for this crook for like 5 or 6 years. While he is much better at muddying the water than other talking heads, I now understand thst he he is so consumed with his ‘Amerikkka is evil’ narrative that that will always take precedence over any other competing narrative.

I’m pretty sure he’s just still upset that gay marriage wasn’t legal in 2007 and his husband got deported and he had to move to a third world country.

Edit2: mark my words the intercept will lead with some trash about how this really wasn’t all that bad within like a week... or ignore it completely.

https://theintercept.com/2017/11/15/wikileaks-julian-assange-donald-trump-jr-hillary-clinton/

Glenn must not have too much editorial control over the site, since he was quick to carry water for Assange on Twitter.

[Human Snorenado]

Al Franken

Keep heroes in 2017, brehs

[zomgee]

Al Franken

Keep heroes in 2017, brehs

I do.

I just do.

[benjipwns]

i think we'd all be willing to forgive him had this happened during The Al Franken Decade

[zomgee]

i think we'd all be willing to forgive him had this happened during The Al Franken Decade

Technically it still is I think.

[Boredfrom]

Al Franken

Keep heroes in 2017, brehs

Have politicians as heroes, brehs.

[Nola]

He might be alright guys, I’m sure Republicans are right about to rally the wagons that this is all overblown nonsense and this woman is lying. That the picture is just locker room humor and the snowflakes need to get over it.

[Joe Molotov]

Al Franken

Keep heroes in 2017, brehs

Have politicians as heroes, brehs.

Have politicians, brehs.

 

[Phoenix Dark]

Franken gotta go

[Joe Molotov]

Okay, wait a second, hold up...

Roy Moore's wife (who to be fair, was an adult when they married) was in the same high school class as the girl who got her yearbook signed by Roy Moore.

*Rich Evans voice*

OH MAH GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHDDDDD!!

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/beverly_young_nelson_remembere.html

[zomgee]

In a rare and confusing step: she has accepted his apology.

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/360709-woman-who-accused-franken-says-she-accepts-his-apology

[Mandark]

Also there have been 260 settlements for $15 million over the last 20 years in Congress, not exclusively for sexual harassment but almost certainly including it. I'd be very surprised if more didn't come out in the next few months.


edit:

https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/931191036138881025

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/931258371482759168

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/931245294104260608

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/931244277719535617

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/931199117094785024

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/930431969212751872

 

[zomgee]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/politics/house-tax-plan-vote/index.html

The vote was 227-205, with 13 House Republicans joining all Democrats to oppose the bill. As the vote tally passed the majority mark, Republicans in the House began to cheer. At the same time, Democrats on the other side of the chamber also began to cheer -- and wave goodbye to their colleagues across the aisle, as both sides see the legislation as a polarizing issue going into next year's midterms.

SIDES

[Mandark]

Richard Cordray is stepping down from the CFPB, Mick Mulvaney might be the interim director while he's also in charge of the CBO.

Also the FCC seems to be rolling back rules on local media consolidation (that prevent one company from owning multiple TV stations, or TV+newspaper).

[Mandark]

I believe it's a rule about ownership of the actual local stations, rather than the networks they're affiliates of. But I've basically just read a couple tweets of the news so take it with a grain of salt.

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/931199117094785024

Verrit.com Authentication Code: N/A

[benjipwns]

Sean Hannity reporting that the Democratic Smear Machine is already attacking Al Franken's victims and that Franken needs to resign from the Senate immediately.

 

[Trurl]

Victims?

[benjipwns]

If Mitch McConnell, John McCain and the rest of the establishment don't immediately call on Franken's resignation or at minimum a full Senate investigation into his despicable attacks after throwing innocent Christian patriot Roy Moore under the bus just to please their mainstream media enemies than we'll know where their real loyalties lie.

Also it's a fact, we know Hillary Clinton funded the Fusion GPS Russian Propaganda Uranium One deal and Obama used the FISA Court to spy on the President.

[benjipwns]

LORETTA LYNCH MET WITH BILL CLINTON ON THE TARMAC

[Trent Dole]

STOP POSTING that insane motherfucker's tweets

lmao everyone fucking hates peter daou.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

except twitter who banned a parody account due to his tantrums.

[close]

[FStop7]

Al Franken you dumb motherfucker.

[benjipwns]

Glenn must not have too much editorial control over the site, since he was quick to carry water for Assange on Twitter.

well, he is one out of three editors (until recently four) not that these types of magazines/journals enforce a strict single point of view across their distinct authors traditionally as that somewhat defeats the purpose of having distinct authors

it's not usual to see two articles back to back with very divergent opinions on a story on such sites

because reason doesn't separate out its web articles, magazine articles and syndicated columnists that get posted automatically it can amusingly turn into a jumble of idiots angry at "oh so now reason is taking this side?!?!?", one of my favorite instances was during the Crimea crisis, where mostly a news roundup, a short blog post by one author with a general "not our business" pov, another blog post where a different author had simply repeated BOTH SIDES claims about a situation/dispute, a Sheldon Richman article blaming American imperialism and probably a Steve Chapman article arguing we should deploy troops into the Ukraine immediately were all posted back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back which broke some of the commenters brains even further or allowed them to claim the entire magazine was pushing solely a pro-Putin, anti-American point of view that wanted Christians slaughtered with the evidence being Richman as always (and conveniently ignoring the article upset at Obama for not declaring war on Russia)

[Tasty]

[Tasty]

Anti-Gay Republican Resigns After Allegedly Being Caught Having Gay Sex In His Office

[thehunter116]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/

Anyway, this shit is why I say fuck Glenn Greenwald like a Brazilian dick.

He’s been carrying water for this crook for like 5 or 6 years. While he is much better at muddying the water than other talking heads, I now understand thst he he is so consumed with his ‘Amerikkka is evil’ narrative that that will always take precedence over any other competing narrative.

I’m pretty sure he’s just still upset that gay marriage wasn’t legal in 2007 and his husband got deported and he had to move to a third world country.

Edit2: mark my words the intercept will lead with some trash about how this really wasn’t all that bad within like a week... or ignore it completely.

Assange isn't a crook, he's an admitted chaos agent. If you watched any of his interviews and lectures it's clear that he believes that capitalism must be "aided" to eat itself faster by any means necessary. I don't have it past him to directly collaborate with the Russian government either. What he wants is to turn capitalism and its institutions against themselves, aside from the fact that he has a personal vendetta against Clinton he correctly considered her far more dangerous to his plans than Trump because she represents neoliberal stability just like Obama before her. Sure the capitalist economy would be "stable" but the working class would slowly continue losing its rights, jobs, salaries, pensions, social safety net and so on just like it happened with Obama while neoliberalism would continue getting stronger. On the other hand Trump the buffoon represents neoliberal chaos, incompetence and decay, the working class will be screwed even further but it will serve Assange's plan of sabotaging capitalism.

Tbh I don't completely disagree with his methods, capitalism has overstayed its welcome and is now finishing off the planet, half measures like the Paris agreement won't do shit unless we get rid off the root of the problem, a system that only survives when there's growth, a growth that can only sustain itself by turning humanity into the virus of the planet (and yes I know it's a Matrix reference, couldn't find a better metaphor). Then again I don't agree with them either because he' playing a very dangerous game.