US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[hungrynoob]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/987357784583950340

This is all a set-up to re-run Clinton in 2020. "See, the Russians cost her the victory yassss queen!!!"

I want people to genuinely just take this into consideration for a moment:

- If the narrative of Putin blackmailing trump to take pos of Pres at the delight of the ex-kgb big vladdy putin, everyone got their shit in a twist because of how much of a national security it would to have the one man in the US with access to nuclear weapons being controlled with the only other nation on earth with MORE than the US. The world was surely doomed.
And yet, nothing has happened. And I dont even mean with trump, but between russia and US, putin has done nothing.
- Take into the ridiculousness of the situation, putin just gets a ticket into the big WH with basically their mortal enemy. How could such a facist dictator of US just be getting away with nonsense, and with complete brazen disregard for the american people, I dont understand how the checks and balances arent putting and end to this. Not only that when trump becomes pres shit like turkey comes on soil and beats american protesters, how fucked up is that.
Let me pose you a question, if the deepstate hypothetically was real, and there was corruption in the US/world by people who wanted to see the end of the US, and you have a plan to take them down. What would be one of your first objectives before initiating the plan? Personally I would want to make sure the worlds stockpiles of nukes couldnt be used as a last ditch effort if you were to succeed.
As time goes on and you see nothing happen between russia, us, and the situations get even more fucked up, ask yourself what it would really take trump's impeachment? Tangible evidence.
Who stands to gain the most when you do not look at the evidence in its totality and disregard people or ideas simply because the ideas being presented cause cognitive dissonance.
If I make a mistake on something, you would cling to that as proof of a sham despite how large and varied the drops have been. Im not telling you to trust Q or just trust the plan, but there is not nothing going on.

I can’t even follow the argument.

Of all the stuff that has happened, why does it seem like nothing has been done about it, where was the evidence to support trump did all these things.

If someone wanted to attack democracy, would they do it BLATANTLY in front of the american people's eyes or would they do it DISCREETLY with the american people completely fooled?

[Mandark]

Op...Optimus?

Our shitposters are tryna make a case for horseshoe theory in this thread.

[hungrynoob]

Ok, so you wanted to know what it would take for me to believe your side, even if x events happened.

Let me ask you, what will you think if clintons BO, pelosi etc all get pulled up in front of military courts. What will you do then?

[Rufus]

Why do you think that's even a remote possibility?

[Mandark]

Ok, so you wanted to know what it would take for me to believe your side, even if x events happened.

Let me ask you, what will you think if clintons BO, pelosi etc all get pulled up in front of military courts. What will you do then?

Set a date and we can make a wager.

[hungrynoob]

Why do you think that's even a remote possibility?

Thats not part of the question.

[hungrynoob]

Ok, so you wanted to know what it would take for me to believe your side, even if x events happened.

Let me ask you, what will you think if clintons BO, pelosi etc all get pulled up in front of military courts. What will you do then?

Set a date and we can make a wager.

Im not asking you the validity of the scenario im asking WHAT WOULD YOU DO

[Mandark]

So you don't even believe it. Cool.

[hungrynoob]

The only reason they'd be put in front of a MILITARY tribunal is if there was a fucking coup d'etat in the US!

They were created for SOLE PURPOSE of overthrowing the government.? WHAT

And you call me stupid?

[Mandark]

The only reason they'd be put in front of a MILITARY tribunal is if there was a fucking coup d'etat in the US!

No you don't get it, the prospect of Trump's political opposition being put on trial outside the normal legal system is an argument against him being fascist.

[hungrynoob]

The only reason they'd be put in front of a MILITARY tribunal is if there was a fucking coup d'etat in the US!

No you don't get it, the prospect of Trump's political opposition being put on trial outside the normal legal system is an argument against him being fascist.

And so if the judicial system was corrupted outside of that, with whom would you turn to end corruption if you can choose neither option?

[Mandark]

hungry, do you think that BO/Pelosi/HRC/etc. are going to be put on trial before a military tribunal?

If you don't want to answer yes/no, you can give odds if you want.

[Mandark]

Ah yes, my favorite fascist argument: corrupt court systems cannot indict corrupt officials, so it's up to the military to fix the problem.

We will fight the Deep State by turning to... the military.

[TakingBackSunday]

[Great Rumbler]

Let me ask you, what will you think if clintons BO, pelosi etc all get pulled up in front of military courts. What will you do then?

I dunno, what are the charges and who is in charge of the tribunal? What are the circumstances of their arrest? Who ordered their arrest and under what authority? Why is it a military tribunal instead of civilian court? Has the Supreme Court weighed in? If not, why not?

[Mandark]

I just realized that due to sheer numbers, there's probably at least one person who believes both qanon and Louise Mensch, and has created a synthesis conspiracy to reconcile them.

[agrajag]

there's not enough  for this thread rn

[Mandark]

You guys laugh but if there was ever a fascist takeover of the government, hungrynoob would be right there with his boot stamping on your face.

While still thinking the generalissimos were scrappy underdogs and the protesters getting their heads caved in were puppets of the Illuminati.

[agrajag]

You guys laugh but if there was ever a fascist takeover of the government, hungrynoob would be right there with his boot stamping on your face.

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever.

[curly]

I just realized that due to sheer numbers, there's probably at least one person who believes both qanon and Louise Mensch, and has created a synthesis conspiracy to reconcile them.

I would bet there's plenty, conspiracy theorists tend to be syncretic

[TakingBackSunday]

hungrynoob types like I did when I was in the 11th grade

[etiolate]

How about pelosi n clinton get dragged through an endless meandering investigation that exists more in the press than in any legal ground and ends up raiding lawyer officers and violating privacy for the sake of a pornstar money trail?

[Great Rumbler]

How about pelosi n clinton get dragged through an endless meandering investigation that exists more in the press than in any legal ground and ends up raiding lawyer officers and violating privacy for the sake of a pornstar money trail?

That only exists in a fantasy world where Hillary Clinton is the President, so it's not too likely.

[Mandark]

seth rich

[curly]

I agree with Etiolate. There's nothing to suggest that the Cohen stuff going on right now is anything more than campaign finance rules abuse. The amount of beltway buzz over it is nauseating.

I will change my tune if people discover Russian money but they would have found it by now if it were there.

that's not really what what etoilet said tho?

and not to go all "but her emails" here, but Clinton has been through her share of meandering, politically motivated investigations that exist mainly in the press

[agrajag]

I agree with Etiolate. There's nothing to suggest that the Cohen stuff going on right now is anything more than campaign finance rules abuse. The amount of beltway buzz over it is nauseating.

I will change my tune if people discover Russian money but they would have found it by now if it were there.

that's not really what what etoilet said tho?

and not to go all "but her emails" here, but Clinton has been through her share of meandering, politically motivated investigations that exist mainly in the press

don't forget Benjamin Ghazi

[zomgee]

[curly]

speaking of Michael Cohen:

That one-sidedness has always been at the heart of President Trump’s relationship with his longtime lawyer and fixer, Michael D. Cohen, who has said he would “take a bullet” for Mr. Trump. For years Mr. Trump treated Mr. Cohen poorly, with gratuitous insults, dismissive statements and, at least twice, threats of being fired, according to interviews with a half-dozen people familiar with their relationship.

“Donald goes out of his way to treat him like garbage,” said Roger J. Stone Jr., Mr. Trump’s informal and longest-serving political adviser, who, along with Mr. Cohen, was one of five people originally surrounding the president when he was considering a presidential campaign before 2016.

Mr. Stone recalled Mr. Trump saying of Mr. Cohen, “He owns some of the finest Trump real estate in the country — paid top dollar for it, too.” In Mr. Trump’s worldview, there are few insults more devastating than saying someone overpaid.

At a Republican fundraiser at Mar-a-Lago earlier this year, Mr. Cohen went so far as to approach the first lady, Melania Trump, to try to apologize for the pain he caused her with the payment to Stephanie Clifford, known as Stormy Daniels, the adult film actress who has claimed to have had the sexual encounter with Mr. Trump.

Some of Mr. Cohen’s efforts to help only led to embarrassing rebuffs in front of those in charge. A month before the election, Mr. Cohen approached Mr. Trump outside his Trump Tower office with photographs of Bill Clinton and a mixed-race man alleged — without any evidence — to be the former president’s illegitimate son. Mr. Trump knocked the papers away, angrily telling Mr. Cohen to “get that out of my face,” said one former campaign official who witnessed the incident.

Particularly hurtful to Mr. Cohen was the way Mr. Trump lavished approval on Mr. Lewandowski in a way he never did for Mr. Cohen. When Mr. Cohen told Mr. Trump that he believed that Mr. Lewandowski had been behind a negative story about Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump dismissed the comments as simple jealousy, and didn’t pay attention, according to two people familiar with the incident.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/20/us/politics/trump-michael-cohen.html

[Nola]

I agree with Etiolate. There's nothing to suggest that the Cohen stuff going on right now is anything more than campaign finance rules abuse. The amount of beltway buzz over it is nauseating.

I will change my tune if people discover Russian money but they would have found it by now if it were there.

The buzz is because people know who Cohen is and what he is the firewall of, which is potentially every shady thing Trump has done with his business and campaign. There is a reason Trump's orbit is more concerned with Cohen than even the Russia stuff, and you don't get concerned with a person flipping because he has very little to implicate you.

[Mandark]

Another teacher strike, this time in Arizona.

One of the demands is that education funding is raised back to 2008 levels, which is a good reminder how Great Recession really fucked a lot of state and local budgets.

[etiolate]

Clinton actually violated shit and got a pass. It wasn't meandering. It was just limp-dicked.

[Mandark]

lol

[etiolate]

too tard, didnt think: Shosta is right. curly's comparison is poor. Comparable to the older Clinton whitewater deal. Hilary's emails not a good comparison.

[Nola]

Clinton actually violated shit and got a pass. It wasn't meandering. It was just limp-dicked.

By just the public evidence we have, Cohen very likely broke the law as well. Very little chance he told his bank that the line of credit he was using was to pay off a pornstar to help his employers election chances, in violation of campaign finance laws. But you knew that.

[Mandark]

Shosta, right now you're a 71 year old college basketball coach yelling at his team to "play the right way" and not just win by chucking threes.

[Mandark]

I can sympathize a bit with what you're saying. I want the GOP to get smashed in the midterms and again in 2020, and I want the political classes to feel that it was because of backlash to the attacks on immigrants, health care, etc. If they think they lost on those issues they'll feel pressure to move to the center. If they think they lost cause of sui generis Trump fuckery, they don't have that reckoning.

Not sympathizing enough to let Trump or his associates off for any actual crimes or wrongdoings, though.

[Oblivion]

Clinton actually violated shit and got a pass. It wasn't meandering. It was just limp-dicked.

A "pass" on what, exactly? What do you think should her punishment have been?

[Nola]

The buzz is because people know who Cohen is and what he is the firewall of, which is potentially every shady thing Trump has done with his business and campaign. There is a reason Trump's orbit is more concerned with Cohen than even the Russia stuff, and you don't get concerned with a person flipping because he has very little to implicate you.

The significance is obvious, but  that doesn't change the absurdity of how this started.

I know this is going to make me sound like a lunatic, but I don't want Trump to be judged by his long history of illegal actions, known or unknown to the public. There was enough of that during the election to disqualify any man. I want him to be judged for his actions in the present, as president, and whether those are illegal or not, ethical or not, presidential or not.

By rightfully looking into potential illegal actions his campaign took during the election?

We didn't know that Michael Cohen paid off a pornstar by likely engaging in bank fraud and violating campaign laws in the process. Or that he may have been a go between in a criminal conspiracy after Manafort left the campaign.

If that and other present crimes leads to Cohen wanting to squeal on Trump and an organization that has likely been blatantly running afoul of the law for decades, how is that a bad thing?

You mention Nixon, but one of the things Nixon did was inadvertently lead Watergate investigators down a path of uncovering rampant historical and present election and corporate financial fraud. Where, for instance, companies were using slush funds to bribe foreign officials and covering it up on their books. This discovery and a handful of others led to the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. And in another piece of irony in this whole Trump thing, it is probably something he has almost certainly ran afoul of in multiple countries he does business, including where he is currently doing business in India. And is something he routinely rails on and wants to see repealed.

[Mandark]

After 2012 Republican leadership really thought they needed to compromise on immigration and gay rights. The Supreme Court saved them from having to vote on gay marriage, but they tried immigration reform and suffered a huge backlash from their base.

So I think it's very possible that a lot of the party establishment could take those lessons even if it's difficult for them to act on it without risking Tea Party style primaries, etc.

[kingv]

Another teacher strike, this time in Arizona.

One of the demands is that education funding is raised back to 2008 levels, which is a good reminder how Great Recession really fucked a lot of state and local budgets.

Cutting education funding is crazy to me.

I’d rather have rolling brownouts and have to drink bottled water then go down to a 3 or 4 day school week.

[Mandark]

I think education funding is more vulnerable to recessions because it mostly takes place at the state and local level, and it's much more difficult for states or municipalities to maintain spending by borrowing than it is for the federal government.

The Great Recession also seemed to coincide with the peak of the anti-teachers union movement politically, so it makes sense that we're due for a backlash.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/987367960535863296

 

I would believe Putty if he wouldn't have said the same shit occasionally during I dunno, a press conference

[kingv]

I think education funding is more vulnerable to recessions because it mostly takes place at the state and local level, and it's much more difficult for states or municipalities to maintain spending by borrowing than it is for the federal government.

The Great Recession also seemed to coincide with the peak of the anti-teachers union movement politically, so it makes sense that we're due for a backlash.

I think also that the millennial demographic steamroller will hit issues that skew younger first. Education is probably one of those issues, where all of all a sudden, the parents are increasingly millennial (as are the teachers). And people are going to have the most give a shot about issues that affect them personally.

It’s like my fucking dad that can’t think rationally about Obama because of some changes in the aca that upped his premiums on TRICARE for life.

[Mandark]

ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[CatsCatsCats]

The war.. that we won... uhhhhh

[Mandark]

I mean, they are in Ohio.

"Then that's the wrong flag."

"Well, some people would say that."

[thehunter116]

That dude isn't all there.

[Phoenix Dark]

"the flags have been there for years, it's got nothing to do with race"

Let me guess. Since...2009? 

[agrajag]

where's hungrynub

[agrajag]

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/01/24/us/slave-ship-found-alabama-trnd/index.html?rm=1

[kingv]

It’s herotage not hate libtards.

[Mandark]

I didn't realize they still smuggled slaves in from Africa even though the Atlantic slave trade was illegal. That's dark.

Yeah, kept going up at least to the Civil War. There was a bunch of wrangling about enforcement (with the Brits being the default police of the sea) and IIRC the US tended to really drag its feet in participating.

[benjipwns]

wait, Nancy Pelosi was offered a good deal on weapons from North Korea and turned them down rather than setting up a long term sting for a RICO prosecution?!?

[benjipwns]

Shosta, right now you're a 71 year old college basketball coach yelling at his team to "play the right way" and not just win by chucking threes.

delete your account

that philosophy nearly brought America's Team two NBA titles and successfully destroyed the confidence of a young man from the Balkans with emerging violent tendencies* (you'll all see when Darko seizes power in a coup and ignites a genocidal regional war in a few years)

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[benjipwns]

everyone talks about Draymond Green being a cocky shithead and how fun it is, those teams were a team full of more cocky Draymonds, and Larry was often the lead shithead

arguably my favorite moment, and when I knew that Finals was over despite games to play, was when Larry ran out of his normal bigs because of his stupid two-foul rule, so he put in 6-5 Corliss Williamson to single coverage Shaq, and the Lakers failed to capitalize or even slow down the Pistons tearing them to shreds

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Larry was the lead instigator in running up the score in that Game Three where the Lakers failed to crack 70 points, he also was the one who encouraged it after they got Sheed and throughout the playoffs despite that "play the right way" bullshit as he insisted that nobody respected them so it was fair game to abuse defeated teams until they learned respect (then they zoned Larry out and determined to win the 2005 Finals despite him by the same theory since he was openly lobbying to get the Cavs and Knicks jobs during the playoffs/Finals)

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tl;dr: the 2004 Detroit Pistons (SANS LARRY) should be appointed as the Military Council to prosecute the DNC, Hillary, Nancy Pelosi, Loretta Lynch, Obama, Steele Dossier, Ted Kennedy, Uranium One, Sean Hannity name leak, etc. crimes

[benjipwns]

if at any point Tribunal Justice Rasheed Wallace questions say, Hillary's answers, he can force her to shoot a free throw under the Palace of Auburn Hills Court precedent of "BALL DON'T LIE"

[benjipwns]

I want to see the part where they argue wikileaks tried to derail the election by revealing the DNC manipulated their own primary.

Jack Remington, how do you respond

due to a lack of response (likely due to extensive legal draftings Jack is undertaking), i investigated the comments on the intercept for answers:

3 hours ago
Everything about The intercept makes me livid these days , but it's this : you keep publishing articles by white men and men that is of No awareness of greater reality.
It's not Jeremy . It's Glenn and medhi and zaid and probably Betsy who supports them . It's infuriating.
There are 65 million voters of women and people of color and non voters and the earth . Who never voters for Trump . We were robbed. We are far more important than your whining about a law suit or even "press freedoms ". Press freedom exists in France, they deflected a Russian, possibly wikileaks attack. We can too .
So Glenn hates democrats. The dnc is sketchy. So is Julian assange.
This is getting old .

but personally i prefer this legal strategy:

2 hours ago
<blockquote>Even WikiLeaks’ most devoted critics and enemies are constrained to acknowledge that WikiLeaks’ publications in general – and their disclosure of at least some of the DNC and Podesta emails in particular – informed the public about matters legitimately in the public interest. </blockquote>

Exactly. Wikileaks is guilty of aiding and abetting the enemy. This is treason, although since Wikileaks is not an American entity, I suppose that technically it is sedition.

The only question is why the public is not named in the lawsuit. They, after all, are the ones guilty of receiving stolen goods. Fake news would not exist if the public were not there to consume it. It is only logical to charge them as accessories to the crime.

However, perhaps this is just a preliminary lawsuit and the DNC will rectify this oversight.

consider it Jack! ask the DEA/FBI for assistance on such methods if necessary!

[benjipwns]

shut up wesley

[Mandark]

if at any point Tribunal Justice Rasheed Wallace questions say, Hillary's answers, he can force her to shoot a free throw under the Palace of Auburn Hills Court precedent of "BALL DON'T LIE"

A couple years ago I was talking Game of Thrones with a friend and he pointed out that trial by combat works on the same principle as ball don't lie and ever since then I've been a little mad I didn't think of it first.

[Nintex]