US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Nintex]

Who said anything about you liking this?

This is about you being a human compass who points to Wrong.

My track record is A+

[nachobro]

https://twitter.com/amyklobuchar/status/996798865151004674

[kingv]

Is it me or did the Senate basically just confirm that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia?

Report states that the Kremlin used the NRA to set up a back channel with the campaign and that there is evidence that they were funneling money to the campaign :
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremlin-used-nra-to-help-trump-in-2016-says-senate-intelligence-committee


Don Jr. clearly knew about the meeting with the Russians, and knew it was probably illegal, but went anyway to try to get information from Russia. Was clearly excited about it, and took follow up calls on it from Russian contacts. Also took calls from blocked numbers within a few minutes of talking to known Russians that he cannot recall who he spoke with or what about, but were longer than the calls with known Russians that bookend them. Also confirms that Trumps lawyers coordinated the response from all participants in the meeting to make sure the explanations were consistent with each other.

They don’t clearly state that this is collusion, but if this is not some form of secret cooperation to deceive others... then what is it?

Edit: also, trump supposedly didn’t know about the trump tower meeting, however, about 3 hours after the meeting trump tweets out that he will be revealing new dirt on Hillary. We are expected to believe this is just serendipity?

[Mandark]

edit: good catch agrajag

[agrajag]

Wasn't the other judge in Virginia? Two different filings?

[Mandark]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/freedom-caucus-farm-bill-gambit_us_5afb9271e4b06a3fb50ba795

Update on the immigration push in the House, and how the Tea Party faction is trying to kneecap it.

tl;dr They're offering to trade votes in favor of the farm bill to get a floor vote on a very rightwing immigration bill. Even if that bill doesn't pass, it would significantly delay the compromise bills being able to get a vote because of House rules.

[Coitus]

Wasn't the other judge in Virginia? Two different filings?

Yes.  There are two criminal cases against him, one in DC for money laundering and unregistered lobbying, one in VA for tax and bank fraud.  The judge who made the comments that got Trumpers all excited is the VA one.

[agrajag]

Wasn't the other judge in Virginia? Two different filings?

Yes.  There are two criminal cases against him, one in DC for money laundering and unregistered lobbying, one in VA for tax and bank fraud.  The judge who made the comments that got Trumpers all excited is the VA one.

That's what I thought.

[Nola]

https://twitter.com/amyklobuchar/status/996798865151004674

Yeah, just sucks because it’s basically DOA in the House. The Hastert Rule alone makes me think it just gets buried.

[Mandark]

And would probably get vetoed anyway, depending on who spoke to Trump last/which morning show he watched.

[Great Rumbler]

Getting rid of net neutrality was the reason he elevated Ajit Pai in the first place, no way would he sign a bill that reserves that.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/996840368254615552
Not sure if they're going to beat the boss level.

[Mandark]

c'mon man, read the thread at least

[Nintex]

Oh Rudy

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/996865375160631301

[Great Rumbler]

Oh Rudy

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/996865375160631301

[Madrun Badrun]

IT WORKED LIKE THAT BEFORE

kinda, but not really.  There are many paths to becoming a U.S. citizen and not all of them are merit-based.  So when people say they want merit-based immigration, one could be mean that they want to change the balance between paths - or more likely they use it as a talking point to kill off other paths and then don't increase merit-based quotas.   Canada has a mostly merit-based system.  TBH the U.S. has a very liberal immigration system but when the U.S. wants to claim to the county of 'Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.' then they kind of have to be liberal. 

[Mandark]

At least you know where you got it from.

[CatsCatsCats]

[kingv]

I feel like I’m not going to have my bloodlust sated today by people struggling to explain all of the new trump news as being mostly innocent.

The best I can hope for is hearing we’re all sheep for trusting deep state sources.

[Madrun Badrun]

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4729704/president-trump-these-people-animal

[naff]

Assimilate, you're a joke.

I actually don't know what the deal is eh, or what assimilate is trying to assert here. It's naive to criticise a country for breaking international law, because. er. Some countries flout international law?

Guys, there are criminals, and some get away with it or just deal with the societal ramifications. It's naive to discuss this crime wave.

Many countries would be crippled through trade sanctions for flouting international law. Israel is an interesting case as they are emboldened through popular support from the US; case in point, they get a new 'Murican embassy - kill 59 and wound over 2200 because some people were throwing rocks, had some fire kites, burnt some tires (to shield from Sniper fire) and allegedly threw some molotovs.

International Law breaks down when the countries involved have little to lose, or are exceptions to the rule e.g. Israel. N. Korea was already barred for being commies, and they're fucked economically, similar with many African nations. What's your point?

Nothing to lose? Russia had a lot to lose they didn't give a fuck anyways, the U.S had a lot to lose going into Iraq they also didn't give a fuck about international law. Most of these countries have things to lose in one way or another, and sanctions always follow, but no one actually GIVES A FUCK.

Realize that you're just a child that gets pulled into hype rage for CNN clicks. This is why i try to stay away from political circle jerks because most people are simply going on what they see on the 24 hour news cycle channels. No where else do people get this upset about things that have no direct effect on them. When i'm out of the country watching other news networks that cover this pretty neutrally, you don't see people get into these stupid arguments.

hu mad?

CNN clicks hype rage? lmao.

[naff]

No where else do people get this upset about things that have no direct effect on them. When i'm out of the country watching other news networks that cover this pretty neutrally, you don't see people get into these stupid arguments.

and you're calling me naive...

[Nintex]

Michael Cohen sold access to his boss to EVERYONE, while all you need to figure out what Donald is thinking about is Twitter.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/996889328927330304

[BlueTsunami]

Oh Rudy

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/996865375160631301

Rudy with some sort kf Constitutional Law 101. Hes like the Benjamin Button of lawyers

[Joe Molotov]

Just let Don Jr take the fall for collusion. A father and son can’t be charged for the same crime!

[BlueTsunami]

Just let Don Jr take the fall for collusion. A father and son can’t be charged for the same crime!

Ahhh, referencing Katz & Katz v. United States I see hmmmm

[etiolate]

Rudy has made the Trump soap opera way more entertaining.

[Trent Dole]

OVER 182 TWEET THREAD
GAME FUCKING THEORY BITCHES
(e: It's in the 200s now and he's been at it for over 10 hours lmao)
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/996775709967355904
tl;dr:

[Optimus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/8jysav/mueller_told_trumps_legal_team_he_will_not_indict/


Look at the vote count.


But surely this should have been the end of Drumpf?

[Boredfrom]

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/8jysav/mueller_told_trumps_legal_team_he_will_not_indict/


Look at the vote count.


But surely this should have been the end of Drumpf?

Dude, have some self respect...

[Nola]

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/8jysav/mueller_told_trumps_legal_team_he_will_not_indict/


Look at the vote count.


But surely this should have been the end of Drumpf?

....Today in Optimus thinking he owned the libs by bringing up discussions that have already been well covered 8 months ago.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

And honestly been common thought in legal circles for decades.

[close]

[kingv]

Today was the first day of Trumps Presidency when I said “you know, I honestly truly think the guy might get impeached.” I’ve thought he deserved it, but today’s news has been unbelievable. Another week or two of Blatant corruption bombshells will spell the slow end of his Presidency.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Today was the first day of Trumps Presidency when I said “you know, I honestly truly think the guy might get impeached.” I’ve thought he deserved it, but today’s news has been unbelievable. Another week or two of Blatant corruption bombshells will spell the slow end of his Presidency.

[agrajag]

What happened today besides him admitting he paid Cohen for the Stormy NDA?

[Optimus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/8jysav/mueller_told_trumps_legal_team_he_will_not_indict/


Look at the vote count.


But surely this should have been the end of Drumpf?

....Today in Optimus thinking he owned the libs by bringing up discussions that have already been well covered 8 months ago.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

And honestly been common thought in legal circles for decades.

[close]

I'm just laughing at them downvoting facts they don't like.

[Boredfrom]

What happened today besides him admitting he paid Cohen for the Stormy NDA?

The transcripts from DOJ investigation and the Senate panel outright admitting that Russia favored Trump and tried to help him.

[agrajag]

What happened today besides him admitting he paid Cohen for the Stormy NDA?

The transcripts from DOJ investigation and the Senate panel outright admitting that Russia favored Trump and tried to help him.

But everyone waa saying the transcripts vindicated him.. Lol

[agrajag]

What happened today besides him admitting he paid Cohen for the Stormy NDA?

The transcripts from DOJ investigation and the Senate panel outright admitting that Russia favored Trump and tried to help him.

But everyone waa saying the transcripts vindicated him.. Lol

Check out Mollie Hemingway’s Twitter feed. She’s amazing. Basically a female Hannity, but mostly in print form. The right has such outstanding partisan hacks on their side, it’s unreal.

 

Why would I subject myself to that bruh, I'm not a masochist like Benji

[Optimus]

Bububububut we're supporting rebels!

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/996839859552649217

[Nola]

I love the whole "congress refuses to investigate" lol.

It's like when the right ran Uranium One conspiracies for a few weeks and since they didn't really have any credible evidence and even Jeff Sessions called them on their shit they just had to play the deep state card because it's the only way to make it all fit(before promptly moving on to the next conspiracy a week or so later). Since if they didn't, the obvious question arises of "well you own every fucking branch of government, if this is a legit crime and you have the smoking gun, there is zero reason Trump and his Republican lackeys wouldn't pursue a long drawn out investigation."

Though your article seems like a whole lot of nothing. Hardly a "scandal." Some rebels we trained traded weapons we gave them to secure safe passage. Well yeah, that is always in the cards when you play these proxy war games.

Truth is Optimus, to give them some credit, a lot of these mishaps and failures is why the Obama administration hesitated after Assad crossed the red line, after they knew the political hit they were going to take by opportunistic hawks(even though they did get diplomatic assurances backed by Russia in it's wake), the sort of stuff Susan Rice has mentioned in her exit interviews and the very sort of argument she made toward people like Evelyn Farkas who tried to accost her and the Obama administration for not being more interventionist and hands on toward the Syrian crisis. That the Syrian situation is incredibly shitty because you have a clear monster in Assad gassing and committing genocide against his own people in order to do enough damage to get them to cower back down in fear and re-secure authority. Breaking multiple international laws in the process. Backed by a nuclear power in Russia that has both foreign policy and domestic reasons to remain steadfast in supporting Assad and playing interference and obfuscation for his atrocities. A conflict for which the US has no strong natural allies in the country for which to competently conduct any sort of proxy war. So at best when you get in that game, which we eventually tepidly did for fear of things spiraling further out of control, and since so many of the rebel groups are wild cards, and many of the ones that we can see common cause with are weak and often fluid in their make-up and alliances, including engaging in war amongst each other, or deciding to play nice with groups like Al Qaeda, you end up rolling a loaded dice in backing any number of them. Including seeing them hand over weapons to an Al Qaeda affiliate because they are more concerned with self survival than adhering to American wants.


Then again I can't keep track of your logic these days, yesterday you were screaming about how America needs to be the world police and go all in on interventionism in Israel, today you are back to isolationism....

[kingv]

What happened today besides him admitting he paid Cohen for the Stormy NDA?

The transcripts from DOJ investigation and the Senate panel outright admitting that Russia favored Trump and tried to help him.

Seriously, the amount of bombshells in those transcripts is amazing. We’ve just become numb. One year ago about half of those stories would have been oppo-droppo mega tweet storms.

Today only:
- at least some republicans voted to release intel and judiciary reports saying Russia helped trump.
- get to see don jr basically caught out lying in the transcripts. Apparently opened the June 9th meeting with “I understand you have some information for me”
- it’s revealed that Don Jr called Emin in Russia right after Veselnitskaya meeting, then afterwards gets a call from a blocked number, then calls Emin in Russia again. Also revealed that Trump himself usually calls from a blocked number. Shortly after that series of calls. Trump tweets about Hillary’s emails for the first time
- senate report confirms that kremlin used nra to set up back channel with trump campaign. Also says they have evidence suggesting that kremlin used nra to funnel money into trump campaign
- dem report contains email to Ike Kaveldaze (who was in trump tower meeting) that says “why did He (DT JR) release the email admitting to collusion?”
- revealed that a Cohen had been planning a trip to meet with senior government officials in Moscow as late as May 2016 for Trump tower Russia
- al ruhaini (Qatari sovereign wealth fund dude) admitted that Cohen asked him for a bribe
- it’s revealed that Cohen’s SARs May have been scrubbed from FINCEN databases.
- Ike kaveladze says Don Jr asked Veselnitskaya and Rinat Akhmetsin directly “do you have any dirt on Hillary?”


Things that make me change my mind today:
Donald trump Jr went into that meeting with the intent of colluding with the Russians. There really isn’t even the smokescreen of an innocent explanation anymore. We are now arguing about whether or not the collusion worked, not whether it occurred.

Republicans we’re willing to throw Trump under the bus on two separate occasions in one day, by confirming two things trump has denied. 1) Russians helped trump 2) they did it through the NRA. I’m not sure why there’s a shift, but that seems to be a shot across Trumps bow by the GOP to me. I guarantee you he will notice it.

The Cohen story keeps getting worse. I expect that it will continue to get even worse. It might actually be more damaging to Trump than the Russian investigation.

[etiolate]

Mandark and curly would like you to know that they think was an accident.


Mandark would also like to let you know that these images do not make them think. They're just like the Iraq War to him. A bunch of phooey!

[etiolate]

These are facts Mandark does not care about

https://holodomor.ca/holodomor-basic-facts/

[etiolate]

Here is another lovely photo of how Soveits misconstrued Marx's ideas of the pettiness of national identity, ownership and middle class to eliminate Ukranian identity, upward movement and maximizing your farmland.

[etiolate]

Thank Mandark.

Should have really thought about the gains of public education and national health care that kiddo right there, amirite?

[curly]

I imagine filler will feel like it's christmas morning when he wakes up and sees all these posts

[Nola]

Mandark has broken etiolate....and it’s as disturbing and glorious as I suspected it eventually would be

 

[etiolate]

It's always curious to see the guy who looks at a bunch of pictures of morbid starvation and thinks "this is like Christmas for someone."

[Mandark]

Mandark has broken etiolate....and it’s as disturbing and glorious as I suspected it eventually would be

 

I think curly got the lid off the pickle jar, but I softened it up.

[etiolate]

jesus do you not know how you look?

ffs the audience is bigger than you

[etiolate]

fuck it

Mandark and curly seriously do not think the people who wrote the communist manifesto and its guidelines have anything to do with what those guidelines produced

here is the result of that thinking

QUICK! Go like their posts!


Or just stare at them awkwardly

[curly]

when etoilet shows up at my door and fills me full of lead my last words will be ".......................................u mad"

[seagrams hotsauce]

Lol @ etoilet spending a few hours googling pics of dead folks in the middle of the night. cool calm and collected as ever

[etiolate]

I can't do anything to you that you don't do to yourself on a daily basis.

[Mandark]

jesus do you not know how you look?

ffs the audience is bigger than you

[etiolate]

Congrats kids. Your friends wanted this for you.

Just make sure to act above it all while you excuse it all!

[Mandark]

when etoilet shows up at my door and fills me full of lead my last words will be ".......................................u mad"

"My client will waive his rights, plead guilty to the murder, and not request any sentencing leniency, in return for the state stipulating that he was in fact not mad and found this all quite amusing, and is laughing actually."

[etiolate]

Don't worry dead little girl. Mandark says you give him no emotion. You're like the Iraq War. Something he can reference later when it conveniences him and not when it ever contractions him.

Look at you kiddo!  A starving to death bit of anecdote for a chubby bitch on the internet! You died! But he's got a forum that likes him! Good for him. Shame on you.

[seagrams hotsauce]

good point, i'm on your side now. fuck mandark toilet gang bang bang

[etiolate]

In respect to Mandark's politics and concerns, I apologize for assuming the starving Ukrainian child's gender.