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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/999282325316866048

Now is this a real DJT tweet, or one of the fake DJT tweets written by his staff in the DJT-style to troll the liberal fake media elites? :thinking

With 17 indictments and 5 guilty pleas, they certainly seem be finding quite a few witches.

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/999282325316866048

Now is this a real DJT tweet, or one of the fake DJT tweets written by his staff in the DJT-style to troll the liberal fake media elites? :thinking

With 17 indictments and 5 guilty pleas, they certainly seem be finding quite a few witches.

There is a problem

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/389039-poll-majority-of-americans-dont-know-that-mueller-probe-has

Nola

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Yeah I saw that, not all that surprising but depressing nonetheless.


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Yeah I saw that, not all that surprising but depressing nonetheless.

Maybe you guys should get better in messaging?

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I mean, Jesus, no wonder why they are pushing the "is the FBI planting evidence" conspiracy if half of the people in the US doesnt even have idea that there is already indictments.

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Yeah I saw that, not all that surprising but depressing nonetheless.

Maybe you guys should get better in messaging?

What you mean, "you guys"

  :trigger :trigger :trigger

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Dem candidates in special elections have been running on health care and other quality-of-life issues rather than the Russia scandal, and the national party's been pushing in the same direction. I'm glad they're doing that, but it's really hard to get the media to cover that stuff, and it's left a bit of an opening for right-wing media to mobilize really aggressively around this nexus of fanciful counter-scandals.

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Dem candidates in special elections have been running on health care and other quality-of-life issues rather than the Russia scandal, and the national party's been pushing in the same direction. I'm glad they're doing that, but it's really hard to get the media to cover that stuff, and it's left a bit of an opening for right-wing media to mobilize really aggressively around this nexus of fanciful counter-scandals.

Optimus was right all along  :doge


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Dem candidates in special elections have been running on health care and other quality-of-life issues rather than the Russia scandal, and the national party's been pushing in the same direction. I'm glad they're doing that, but it's really hard to get the media to cover that stuff, and it's left a bit of an opening for right-wing media to mobilize really aggressively around this nexus of fanciful counter-scandals.

That is big opening, specially since is clear that Republicans have no shame in pretending stuff is not happening. No wonder why the Republicans think is a good idea to undermine the FBI. It seems that the Dems take stuff like, the people know that Trump is corrupt as fuck, for granted.

This opening is the kind of shit that could cost you more than a election. It could fuck up your country way past Trump.

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The Democrats and media turned the Russia investigation into a shit show with overly excited reporting. Making every newsflash look like his presidency was over and again they forgot that Trump acclimatizes to shit shows better than anyone.
It's how he beat the GOP, Hillary Clinton and now the rest of the Democratic party.

They're like: "Ok we're tired of the Russia thing for now, we need to discuss issues to win elections!"
But Donald will never allow them to return to 'normalcy'. Just like fake news he is using the Russian scandal as a weapon against them instead of the other way around.

Crazy to think it's been 3 years since he came down that escalator to rant about 'issues' and those issues are still dominating the news and politics today.
He has imprisoned the media and even most of the late night comics into Trump Land. Plus he has only gained more support since he's been elected.

Also what the fuck is wrong with the Democrats that they keep a demented dinosaur like Pelosi around as the party leader.  :neogaf
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Your inner Trumpkin is showing again. (“Has more followers now”  :lol dude...)

Feels less that Trump is media savvy and more like “the media and the political class are not savvy about a blatantly corruptand incompetent  politician“

That shit about “Trump Is playing them like a fiddle” just helps Trump and his cronies.

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"Trump is actually a brilliant manipulator" would make more sense if he'd been able to accomplish any of his goals since he got to be president, instead of just signing whatever McConnell and Ryan put on his desk.

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Pelosi is the most effective house leader in like 20 years, certainly since I’ve been paying attention to politics at least.

She is better at holding her caucus accountable and whipping a vote than the Republicans ever were.

Republican governance is basically a comedy of errors, yet somehow Pelosi was able to shepherd through the ACA under regular order.

Edit: I’m also more certain than ever Trump is goin to eventually go to jail. Maybe not tomorrow or this year. He might even manage to finish his term, but the news keeps getting worse, and it’s inevitable that he is eventually personally implicated with hard evidence.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2018, 04:53:24 PM by kingv »

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There is a reason why Republicans hate Pelosi so much.

On the other hand, she is 78 and should probably pass the torch to some young blood.

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I dont think the problem with the Dem leadership is policy wise.

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Edit: I’m also more certain than ever Trump is goin to eventually go to jail. Maybe not tomorrow or this year. He might even manage to finish his term, but the news keeps getting worse, and it’s inevitable that he is eventually personally implicated with hard evidence.

Let me tell you about America and rich people...

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/999249186762772481

If this were literally anyone else I would say this tweet was 100% sarcasm.

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America bankrupted Nixon after he left office. Imagine what they'll do to a president who's already broke.

Nixon got the equivalent of (plugs in to inflation widget...) $8 million for his memoirs and got pardoned.

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Yeah I saw that, not all that surprising but depressing nonetheless.

Maybe you guys should get better in messaging?

In the paraphrased words of Steve Bannon, the left lacks a Fox News so they get steamrolled when it comes to setting the narrative. On that I think he has a point.

If Fox News and the right wing echo chamber make enough noise, eventually the rest of the media is basically forced to cover it. See: Benghazi, Uranium One, Memo-gate, and now this informant narrative. No one at CNN or ABC is feeling pressure due to Amy Goodman and the Crooked media kids talking about Guaranteed Jobs plans or Single Payer on their relatively small networks. They aren’t driving a narrative for an entire half of the country.

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There is a reason why Republicans hate Pelosi so much.

On the other hand, she is 78 and should probably pass the torch to some young blood.

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To be fair, he was a mod at Neogaf.com, top referrer to miabuela.com

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Edit: I’m also more certain than ever Trump is goin to eventually go to jail. Maybe not tomorrow or this year. He might even manage to finish his term, but the news keeps getting worse, and it’s inevitable that he is eventually personally implicated with hard evidence.
The longer he stays in office. The least likely this is. Donald, Ivanka and Jared playing buddy-buddy with the NRA, Saudi royalty and Israel is about money and influence. They've gained a lot of powerful allies by now.
At the same time more people are getting complicit in whatever is going on behind the scenes. If you take down Trump, you would also have to take down Mnuchin, Mattis, Bolton and god knows who is involved in all this. 

The Republicans are never going to torch their own party and the CIA/FBI will never admit that their entire security apparatus was outsmarted by the likes of Michael Cohen, Roger Stone and Paul Manafort.
So they will probably stick something to Manafort, Flynn and perhaps Cohen for being the most 'obvious' corrupt af crooks in the endeavor. But Jared, Ivanka and Trump himself? Not very likely.

Say the Democrats succeed and they bring down Trump. Woopdiedoo, you get Pence and Pence pardons Trump.

Bush and Cheney got away with invading Iraq and botching up the region for decades to come. The Wall Street bankers with knowingly blowing up the economy and pinning the bill on everyone else.
There's no way any of the Trump's get locked away. They might keep picking off his buddies though.
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kingv

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Assuming Cohen was doing like any of the stuff he is doing with Trumps blessing, then both almost certainly broke state laws, which can’t be pardoned.

Boredfrom

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Yeah I saw that, not all that surprising but depressing nonetheless.

Maybe you guys should get better in messaging?

In the paraphrased words of Steve Bannon, the left lacks a Fox News so they get steamrolled when it comes to setting the narrative. On that I think he has a point.

If Fox News and the right wing echo chamber make enough noise, eventually the rest of the media is basically forced to cover it. See: Benghazi, Uranium One, Memo-gate, and now this informant narrative. No one at CNN or ABC is feeling pressure due to Amy Goodman and the Crooked media kids talking about Guaranteed Jobs plans or Single Payer on their relatively small networks. They aren’t driving a narrative for an entire half of the country.

Is still nuts that you guys have not real strategy against Fox News, to the point that I feel Fox News may not be totally to blame.

agrajag

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Assuming Cohen was doing like any of the stuff he is doing with Trumps blessing, then both almost certainly broke state laws, which can’t be pardoned.

Can't indict a sitting president though.

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They also voted to take away FDA's ability to regulate the safety of drugs produced by big pharma today

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They also voted to take away FDA's ability to regulate the safety of drugs produced by big pharma today

I'm too cynical to be against this, unless you're talking about something else or the legislation is written in a way that would create loop holes that allow big pharma to do whatever the fuck it wants. If I was dying I sure as hell wouldn't have a problem becoming a lab rat in the off chance that I'll survive.

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They also voted to take away FDA's ability to regulate the safety of drugs produced by big pharma today

I'm too cynical to be against this, unless you're talking about something else or the legislation is written in a way that would create loop holes that allow big pharma to do whatever the fuck it wants.

That's precisely what they did.

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If I was dying I sure as hell wouldn't have a problem becoming a lab rat in the off chance that I'll survive.

There's already ways to do this under the previous system.

Tell me, how are you being cynical here? You are basically saying "I am too cynical to not trust the Congress looking out for the best interest of patients"  :derp

Sounds more like you are being naive and gullible tbh

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The word is not cynical, is “I am to self serving and naive”

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I don't know about the details of the bill, but I know it was opposed by a big coalition of patient advocacy groups and was pushed as model legislation by the Goldwater Institute.

Nola

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They also voted to take away FDA's ability to regulate the safety of drugs produced by big pharma today

I'm too cynical to be against this, unless you're talking about something else or the legislation is written in a way that would create loop holes that allow big pharma to do whatever the fuck it wants.

That's precisely what they did.

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If I was dying I sure as hell wouldn't have a problem becoming a lab rat in the off chance that I'll survive.

There's already ways to do this under the previous system.

Tell me, how are you being cynical here? You are basically saying "I am too cynical to not trust the Congress looking out for the best interest of patients"  :derp

Sounds more like you are being naive and gullible tbh

Yep.

The way it works(worked) before this legislation is fairly straight forward. You can apply for a clinical trial under FDA for the experimental drug you wish to try or you can apply for a "compassionate use" exemption. The guidelines under the FDA for either of those are nothing crazy, and they have been whittled down a good bit recently. In fact, the way you would hear the Koch surrogates and the Goldwater institute frame it, the red tape is clogging up the system and people are dying. When in reality .3% of people that apply for the compassionate use exemption get turned down.

One concern here is that basically you are opening the door to all manner of fuckery. One of the big things this bill does is remove liability, by forcing anyone participating to waive their right to sue any manufacturer that might produce a drug that kills them or makes them suffer unduly. One scenario I could definitely see playing out is pharm companies pushing patients that would otherwise have been able to go through those previous channels where there is liability responsibility and a bare minimum of oversight to be forced into this unregulated network where companies no longer have liability for their actions. Furthermore you have the issue this arises where under the previous system, if things go awry in phase one clinical trials there is a backstop to halt the process and protect patients. That is gone now if you go this route, and not only is it gone, if there was some major issue that otherwise would of caused it to be shut down by the FDA, the FDA is actually forbidden to use occurrences under this umbrella against the company to delay or use it in any sort of judgement in future review. The true cynical aspect is it basically muddies an already highly information asymmetrical market and that makes it ripe for the hucksters that want to sell overpriced crap to people desperate and with little to no liability for their actions.
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They also voted to take away FDA's ability to regulate the safety of drugs produced by big pharma today

I'm too cynical to be against this, unless you're talking about something else or the legislation is written in a way that would create loop holes that allow big pharma to do whatever the fuck it wants.

That's precisely what they did.

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If I was dying I sure as hell wouldn't have a problem becoming a lab rat in the off chance that I'll survive.

There's already ways to do this under the previous system.

Tell me, how are you being cynical here? You are basically saying "I am too cynical to not trust the Congress looking out for the best interest of patients"  :derp

Sounds more like you are being naive and gullible tbh


The argument against making dying people lab rats as far as I know is regarding the dignity of the patients and the Hippocratic oath or some shit, I said I'm too cynical because I don't have a problem with it. My post obviously implied that I didn't know much about the bill that's why I added the fucking "unless". Therefore I was expecting you to explain the situation in case my suspicions are right, the cynical part was about people being used as lab rats. Are you guys trying to find reasons to spam ad hominems or do you actually not understand how discussion or English work?



The word is not cynical, is “I am to self serving and naive”

Oh shut up.

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Optimus, just take the L and grow up.

Nola

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Lab rats? That’s a concern with the way this bill is written as well, it sort of blurs the line between patient and research subject ina couple of ways, with the caveat of removing US federal research regulations.




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Oh please, get over yourself Floptimus.

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The argument against making dying people lab rats as far as I know is regarding the dignity of the patients and the Hippocratic oath or some shit

nope

Optimus

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Oh please, get over yourself Floptimus.

Learn basic discussion skills, agratard.

Optimus, just take the L and grow up.

Oh shut up.

Tasty

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Oh please, get over yourself Floptimus.

Learn basic discussion skills, agratard.

Optimus, just take the L and grow up.

Oh shut up.

Lick your own juicy L, slutbitch.

agrajag

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"I'm too cynical to be against this"

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"Clearly I was cynical about people being treated as lab rats"

I don't think your English was so clear there, Professor.

Optimus

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"I'm too cynical to be against this"

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"Clearly I was cynical about people being treated as lab rats"

I don't think your English was so clear there, Professor.

I'm too cynical to be against this, unless you're talking about something else or the legislation is written in a way that would create loop holes that allow big pharma to do whatever the fuck it wants.

Learn to read

Tasty

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Shithead savant! Thaaaaat's the name I came up with last night to brand Floptimus' level of fuckery.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2018, 10:56:31 PM by Tasty Meat »

Optimus

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you needed an edit for this masterpiece? :lol

Tasty

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you needed an edit for this masterpiece? :lol

I'm on drugs right now, it takes me a little bit OK lmao

Tasty

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Also that was like edit #7 :lol

agrajag

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I can't parse this gibberish. In what way were you being cynical?

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https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/john-mccain-hbo-documentary-w520596
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I do hope someone makes a repeating-loop GIF of David Brooks saying "fucking asshole" (it's at 55:39 of the movie) because it seriously looks like it's the first time he's ever said it
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Mr Trump confirmed the summit, which had been scheduled to take place in Singapore on 12 June, would not now take place.

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What an idiot

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Trump cancels the NK summit. No update on the status of their commemorative coin.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Everyone is Bolton for the exits.
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Time to polish up those Nobel peace prizes. NK and SK just announced an end to war and hostilities.

They both vow to strive for complete denuclearization.

The madman did it.

This post is aging like milk.
It sure is.

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Trump cancels the NK summit. No update on the status of their commemorative coin.

They're being sent along with Cavs 2018 NBA Finals t-shirts to Nigerian children.
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lol So Moon didn’t know about it...