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Cornel West pronounces it "human-manatee." I'm on board with this.

I bet he says “opinionation,” too. I dub him Bore approved. Dog mod, approve his account.
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That nerd doesn't realize HBP gets you a base.

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Shapiro probably doesn't even look at OBP, let alone +Slugging%, smh

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I'll disagree: I bet Shapiro reveres the 1.000 career OBP of his athletic hero Eddie Gaedel.

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https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1016486119746105346

nooo we lost owning the libs?!?

Is this metaphor about pitchers or batters? MAKE UP YOUR MIND BEN SHAPIRO!
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I am now a registered member of the Libertarian Party of Nevada. Thanks Benji.


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https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/democrats-ignore-left-their-peril-midwesterners-aren-t-scared-socialism-ncna889741
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In a recent interview on CNN, Sen. Tammy Duckworth, D-Ill., claimed that candidates who push policies "too far to the left" won’t be able to win in Midwestern states. It’s an idea that many Democrats have returned to in the wake of surprises like democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s New York primary victory in June. The theory is that more bold, left-wing ideas might appeal to some voters on the coasts, but average folks in the heartland aren’t interested in scary ideas like socialism.

While this argument may comfort mainstream liberals, it’s not one that reflects the history — or the present — of socialism in the Midwest.
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Indeed, despite what Duckworth or anyone else might think, socialists have a long history in this region. Eugene Debs, whose labor and political activism in the around the turn of the 20th century made him the most important socialist organizer in American history (and one of Bernie Sanders’ icons), is from Terre Haute, Indiana. “Sewer socialists” governed Milwaukee and other areas of Wisconsin for decades, including Victor L. Berger, who in 1910 was elected to the House of Representatives — the same position Ocasio-Cortez is on the verge of winning this November.

Midwestern cities and towns such as Dayton, Ohio, Minneapolis, Minnesota and Flint, Michigan, all have proud socialist backgrounds. “Appeal to Reason,” the most widely read socialist publication in U.S. history, was published out on the plains of Girard, Kansas; Oklahoma was a national hotbed for Socialist Party organizing for much of the 20th century’s first half.

The Midwest has also been home to militant worker organizing for over a century, from the Haymarket massacre in Chicago that sparked the modern American labor movement as we know it, to the Flint sit-down strikes of the 1936-1937 which upended the U.S. auto industry, to the founding of public-sector unionism out of Wisconsin in the 1950s, to more recent fights like the Chicago Teachers Union’s 2012 strike.

Far from being allergic to socialism and class struggle, as Duckworth suggests, the Midwest has always been a region steeped in it — even leading the way.
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Were Midwesterners scared off by his clear embrace of socialist ideas? Far from it. Sanders won primaries throughout the Midwest, in states like Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan and Indiana and barely lost in Iowa, Missouri and Illinois.
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The Democratic establishment may not want to acknowledge the growing popularity of the party’s left flank and its agenda of fighting for real social, racial and economic justice. But if they hope to win, it’s time they embrace it. If they don’t, we’ll take them head-on.
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Speaking of DSA, today the leadership of the working group for people with disabilities resigned en masse over the national Medicare for All campaign and related harassment by the usual suspects. Stinks to see a slam dunk project get cocked up like this.

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Speaking of DSA, today the leadership of the working group for people with disabilities resigned en masse over the national Medicare for All campaign and related harassment by the usual suspects. Stinks to see a slam dunk project get cocked up like this.

Fuck. Where were you when I was still able to achieve a boner?
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Speaking of DSA, today the leadership of the working group for people with disabilities resigned en masse over the national Medicare for All campaign and related harassment by the usual suspects. Stinks to see a slam dunk project get cocked up like this.

I don't think it'll kill the Medicare for All campaign, this kind of stuff is par for the course for the nu-DSA.

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I don't think it will either.

@WM - Probably nothing of value.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/china-losing-the-trade-war/563030/

Obviously the piece, as you would expect from Frum, is perhaps overconfident in the clout of trade and democracy but I thought it was an interesting exercice to flip the common assumptions about China. He's not the only observer thinking China might be weaker than it tries to appears.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/china-losing-the-trade-war/563030/

Obviously the piece, as you would expect from Frum, is perhaps overconfident in the clout of trade and democracy but I thought it was an interesting exercice to flip the common assumptions about China. He's not the only observer thinking China might be weaker than it tries to appears.
How will this SEASON end?

Will Donald Trump announce winning the China china china American tradewar?


or

Will America eat nothing but potatoes for the next decade as the economy is completely destroyed?


THE STAKES HAVE NEVER BEEN HIGHER

IN THE NEXT EPISODE OF "THE PRESIDENT"
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https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1016730422955462656


Tweet thread. This case is blowing wide open.

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An adult man who identifies himself as Burkman’s stepson and a resident of Burkman’s basement stands up and says he believes this Seth Rich narrative. Burkman cuts him off.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/china-losing-the-trade-war/563030/

Obviously the piece, as you would expect from Frum, is perhaps overconfident in the clout of trade and democracy but I thought it was an interesting exercice to flip the common assumptions about China. He's not the only observer thinking China might be weaker than it tries to appears.

IMO his argument is pure unbridled nonsense. Chinese investment in foreign assets is 100% explained by The Chinese policy of Financial Repression that makes it very difficult for citizens to trade RMB for foreign currency (and this somewhat difficult (and risky) to do the opposite). I believe annually, an individual can only bring about $15K into China by trading $’s (or euros or whatever) for RMB.

If you are a big exporter, you are not selling items in RMB so you are most likely getting paid in local currency. Since you can only bring back $15k/year as an individual it behooves you to keep some, maybe a lot, of that currency overseas in case you need to buy something in dollars. Well, treasuries only pay like 3% so... obviously you would invest that money into something, anything else.  Ta-da, a significant amount of Chinese investment into American/European firms/real estate/furry porn/whatever.

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The messages convey a sense of urgency, and are coming with increasing frequency. They are short, focused reactions to the latest “outrage” committed by President Trump.

Some end by asking for money, some urge participation in protests. All read as if they are sent from the official headquarters of the resistance.

Hillary Clinton is up to something.

Five times in the last month alone, she sent emails touting her super PAC’s role in combating President Trump.
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Three days later, she was back again, saying that her group, Onward Together, raised $1 million and would split it among organizations working to change border policy, including the American Civil Liberties Union and a gaggle of immigrant, refugee, Latino and women’s groups.

And the day after Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy announced his retirement, Clinton introduced a newly minted resistance partner. Called Demand Justice, it promises to protect “reproductive rights, voting rights and access to health care” by keeping Senate Democrats united in opposing any conservative Trump nominee.

The instant, in-house nature of Demand Justice was reflected by the name of its executive director: Brian Fallon, Clinton’s campaign press secretary.

In truth, Fallon’s role doesn’t tell us something we didn’t know. Onward Together, formed in May 2017, is a Clinton 2020 campaign vehicle in waiting.

Its homepage says the group “is dedicated to advancing the vision that earned nearly 66 million votes in the last election.”
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Third, looking ahead to the 2020 primaries, she sees no reason to fear the favorite daughters and sons in key blue states. She would almost certainly beat Sen. Kamala Harris in California, Sen. Cory Booker in New Jersey and Gov. Andrew Cuomo in New York.

And please — forget Sanders and Joe Biden. Sanders is already 76 and Biden, at 75, has never been a viable candidate for president and still isn’t.

Fourth, money is not an issue. Some donors will resist Clinton at first, but any Dem nominee can count on all the money in the world to run against Trump.

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Biden to Clinton during Primary debate:



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Speaking of DSA, today the leadership of the working group for people with disabilities resigned en masse over the national Medicare for All campaign and related harassment by the usual suspects. Stinks to see a slam dunk project get cocked up like this.
rip the “failed to fire amber from the dsa” online caucus

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The messages convey a sense of urgency, and are coming with increasing frequency. They are short, focused reactions to the latest “outrage” committed by President Trump.

Some end by asking for money, some urge participation in protests. All read as if they are sent from the official headquarters of the resistance.

Hillary Clinton is up to something.

Five times in the last month alone, she sent emails touting her super PAC’s role in combating President Trump.
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Three days later, she was back again, saying that her group, Onward Together, raised $1 million and would split it among organizations working to change border policy, including the American Civil Liberties Union and a gaggle of immigrant, refugee, Latino and women’s groups.

And the day after Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy announced his retirement, Clinton introduced a newly minted resistance partner. Called Demand Justice, it promises to protect “reproductive rights, voting rights and access to health care” by keeping Senate Democrats united in opposing any conservative Trump nominee.

The instant, in-house nature of Demand Justice was reflected by the name of its executive director: Brian Fallon, Clinton’s campaign press secretary.

In truth, Fallon’s role doesn’t tell us something we didn’t know. Onward Together, formed in May 2017, is a Clinton 2020 campaign vehicle in waiting.

Its homepage says the group “is dedicated to advancing the vision that earned nearly 66 million votes in the last election.”
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Third, looking ahead to the 2020 primaries, she sees no reason to fear the favorite daughters and sons in key blue states. She would almost certainly beat Sen. Kamala Harris in California, Sen. Cory Booker in New Jersey and Gov. Andrew Cuomo in New York.

And please — forget Sanders and Joe Biden. Sanders is already 76 and Biden, at 75, has never been a viable candidate for president and still isn’t.

Fourth, money is not an issue. Some donors will resist Clinton at first, but any Dem nominee can count on all the money in the world to run against Trump.

I don’t think she will run again, but if she did, I think she would find the whole Democratic Party a lot more inhospitable than in 2016.

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rip the “failed to fire amber from the dsa” online caucus

tfw when the person who earnestly calls people wreckers in 2018 in a big tent organization comes out on top over people who end resignation letters with "all power to the locals"


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tfw when the person who earnestly calls people wreckers in 2018 in a big tent organization comes out on top over people who end resignation letters with "all power to the locals"

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I really hate that man
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I really hate that man
Trump being corrupt af himself didn't have trouble spotting the Schroder/German Gas/Gazprom corruption.
He's kinda right though, Germany's green energy program failed and they're much more dependent on Russian gas than before.
Which makes their political position against Russia quite weak.

Germany's armed forces are also in a state of disrepair and there's not a whole lot of material they have ready for use compared to say France or the UK.

It's kinda funny to watch the Germans get a taste of their own medicine.
This sort of extortion is what they used to apply on Greece. Which is forced to buy submarines and other expensive military equipment in order to comply with the rules for their never ending loans.
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Trump position on NATO is dumb, counterproductive and wholly in bad faith (REEEEEE) but maybe killing the alliance could be the lynchpin of the EU making actual efforts at collective defense, freeing it from a lot of the US clout and prompt a global new compromise with regards to Russia (who is in no position to pose a conventional armed threat to the EU proper). It would also limit some of the Franco British ill advised expeditionary warfare.

No guarantees but apart from America, I'm not sure anyone stand to lose a lot if Trump make the US fall on its own sword.
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Trump position on NATO is dumb, counterproductive and wholly in bad faith (REEEEEE) but maybe killing the alliance could be the lynchpin of the EU making actual efforts at collective defense, freeing it from a lot of the US clout and prompt a global new compromise with regards to Russia (who is in no position to pose a conventional armed threat to the EU proper). It would also limit some of the Franco British ill advised expeditionary warfare.

No guarantees but apart from America, I'm not sure anyone stand to lose a lot if Trump make the US fall on its own sword.
Watch Germany not increase spending, NATO implodes and Trump is blamed as Putin gobbles up Eastern Europe to about half of Poland.
Then next year Germany unveils a secretly created ROBOT NAZI PANZER ARMY ready to invade the low countries, France and Russia.

Checkmate.
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Trump being corrupt af himself didn't have trouble spotting the Schroder/German Gas/Gazprom corruption.
He's kinda right though, Germany's green energy program failed and they're much more dependent on Russian gas than before.
Which makes their political position against Russia quite weak.

Germany's armed forces are also in a state of disrepair and there's not a whole lot of material they have ready for use compared to say France or the UK.

It's kinda funny to watch the Germans get a taste of their own medicine.
This sort of extortion is what they used to apply on Greece. Which is forced to buy submarines and other expensive military equipment in order to comply with the rules for their never ending loans.

1) I think Trump is a scumbag, who is making this argument primarily as deflection, but also think he is halfway right.

I definitely remember when Germany was trying to weaken the additional Russian sanctions that were overwhelmingly passed by Congress last year because they wanted to suckle at Putin’s gas teat.

But you know who else was against those sanctions? Fucking trump himself.

2) I also agree that Greece got triple fucked throughout the recession. This was also primarily done by Germany. I think the Eurozone is good in a way, but the currency is a goddamned mess that primarily benefits richer nations at the expense of poorer ones, and Germany de facto gets to be a larger exporter on account of its undervalued currency while Greece de facto has to try to buy its way out of an overvalued one.

I am actually kind of surprised that the EU survived the financial crisis pretty much intact because Greece especially would have almost certainly be better off today if it went back to the drachma in 2011

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Trump being corrupt af himself didn't have trouble spotting the Schroder/German Gas/Gazprom corruption.
He's kinda right though, Germany's green energy program failed and they're much more dependent on Russian gas than before.
Which makes their political position against Russia quite weak.

Germany's armed forces are also in a state of disrepair and there's not a whole lot of material they have ready for use compared to say France or the UK.

It's kinda funny to watch the Germans get a taste of their own medicine.
This sort of extortion is what they used to apply on Greece. Which is forced to buy submarines and other expensive military equipment in order to comply with the rules for their never ending loans.

1) I think Trump is a scumbag, who is making this argument primarily as deflection, but also think he is halfway right.

I definitely remember when Germany was trying to weaken the additional Russian sanctions that were overwhelmingly passed by Congress last year because they wanted to suckle at Putin’s gas teat.

But you know who else was against those sanctions? Fucking trump himself.

2) I also agree that Greece got triple fucked throughout the recession. This was also primarily done by Germany. I think the Eurozone is good in a way, but the currency is a goddamned mess that primarily benefits richer nations at the expense of poorer ones, and Germany de facto gets to be a larger exporter on account of its undervalued currency while Greece de facto has to try to buy its way out of an overvalued one.

I am actually kind of surprised that the EU survived the financial crisis pretty much intact because Greece especially would have almost certainly be better off today if it went back to the drachma in 2011
It did not actually. Brexit, Salvini and Putin's invasion of half of Ukraine are all direct consequences of them bungling the 2008 crisis. In fact they've just kicked the can down the road setting us up for the next recession. Greece isn't fixed and Italy was never fixed.
It's a downward trajectory for both those countries no matter what they do. Varoufakis was right, it's economic warfare and there's nothing a country like Greece can do but take it.
My government just this week revoked the right to organize a referendum. Because the outcome of the Ukraine referendum was not what Brussels and our mainstream politicians wanted.

The EU itself bets on the fact that it will be a 'federal' United States of Europe before the game is up but while the states and politicians in the front seats are trying to complete the creation of such a super state the countries in the back are setting the bus on fire.
Because like the Brexiteers the Salvini's have no actual solutions because there are none. Most countries have messed up too much to fix their issues. Which for the 5th largest economy (Italy) means:
- Skyrocketing youth unemployment
- Braindrain of highly educated workers moving abroad
- Business bankruptcies
- Social tensions (because of migration)
- Increase in poverty
- Decrease in life expectancy
- Not competitive in the global market
- Immigration issues
- Skyrocketing debts

Germany's and Northern Europe's 'success' have sucked southern and central Europe dry. Meanwhile real estate prices in Amsterdam have risen 25% since the start of this year alone as the Netherlands is booming in the international market.
Scooping up all the corporations currently fleeing the Brexit state. The only solution the ECB(European Central Bank) has is to buy up Italian bonds for instance to keep the markets stable but that does nothing for the actual Italian economy.
The only real solution is for Germany and other countries running a surplus to transfer wealth to their less fortunate European neighbors in solidarity but that is politically unfeasible until Europe is a single state.


Meanwhile in the REAL world of Politics
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1017164990099415041

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I always saw it more as Germany projecting its values on the rest of Europe.

If Germans were smart they would figure out a way to truly bail out Greece and Italy but lots of talk about how the Greeks need to take their medicine.

I think there is now a chance that Brexit doesn’t really happen. In fact, I’m not even sure why they are pretending anymore. It’s a slow motion train wreck that it doesn’t really appear that a strong majority even wants.

On the other hand, Greece seems to be willing to take whatever punishment it can get from the EU for nothing in exchange really and would be well-served to leave the monetary union and tell all its creditors that they can take 1 drachma for every Euro and otherwise pound sand. The only people taking this otherwise completely logical position seem to be otherwise crazy, however.

Take your morality from the country that invented Sperma Studios, brehs.

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On the other hand, Greece seems to be willing to take whatever punishment it can get from the EU for nothing in exchange really and would be well-served to leave the monetary union and tell all its creditors that they can take 1 drachma for every Euro and otherwise pound sand. The only people taking this otherwise completely logical position seem to be otherwise crazy, however.

Varoufakis and the PM tried. First Greece's PM wanted to reintroduce the Drachma backstopped by Russian investments but the talks with the Russians fell through because they didn't want to foot the bill and didn't see the benefit.

Varoufakis tried next but was blocked because when he was researching how to handle a return of the Drachma he discovered the ECB controlled the central bank systems so he couldn't reintroduce their currency.
He then confronted the PM about this fact and wasn't given permission to try and 'hack' the system with an associate as that was his play.
Apparently some politicians were afraid that if Varoufakis tried to hack the central bank or otherwise reintroduced the Drachma tanks would be send in to 'secure' the central bank and Greeces gold reserves.
One MP warned Varoufakis that this would happen.

Greece had no chance to get out after it was colonized by the IMF and EU administrators who are still camping out at their ministries writing orders of how many public workers should be fired or which island should be sold off next month to meet 'austerity targets'.
It has basically stopped to exist as a sovereign state at this point. Although the biggest power play of the EU was Cyprus. On Cyprus the banks collapsed and because it was a known laundromat for the Russian mob the EU refused to supply all bail-out funds.
That's when the EU commission introduced the 'bail-in' law which mandated that savings be used to re liquidate the banks.

Basically if you had 10k in the bank the day before the endgame started, you'd be blocked from accessing those funds and by the time you could access it again 50% would've been confiscated as a bank bail-out.
That law is still in effect so whenever a bank goes shaky the EU can decide to take half the money in the savings accounts to 'save' it.  :-\
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i want to like it but i can't bring myself to, this is why filler needs to write "12 Rules for Likes"

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I didn't know Kelly was secretly John Pinette

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Basically if you had 10k in the bank the day before the endgame started, you'd be blocked from accessing those funds and by the time you could access it again 50% would've been confiscated as a bank bail-out.
That law is still in effect so whenever a bank goes shaky the EU can decide to take half the money in the savings accounts to 'save' it.  :-\

That's not "basically" how it worked. Uninsured deposits (i.e. way over €10,000) were forfeit.

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It's not even an IMF/EU/Greece whatever specific thing, Kara will correct me if I'm wrong on anything or not, but essentially the same thing would happen in the U.S. for uninsured amounts. One benefit of our status globally is that Congress could use Dodd-Frank to backdate FDIC changes for accounts over $100,000, which for example increased the payouts from IndyMac's bankruptcy. Those amounts were previously uninsured too, and thus initially forfeit at worse, locked out until post-bankruptcy at best.

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The U.S. Navy today expanded the name of guided missile destroyer USS John S. McCain to include Senator John McCain (R-AZ). Navy Secretary Richard Spencer addressed sailors aboard the USS John S. McCain in Yokosuka, Japan, in a ceremony to redesignate the ship name which previously honored Senator McCain's father and grandfather. The ship now honors three generations of McCains dedicated service to the Navy and nation.

“I am deeply honored to be added to the name of the naval destroyer USS John S. McCain,” said Senator McCain. “My father and grandfather dedicated their entire lives to their naval service. The greatest honor of my life was to serve in the company of heroes, and I look back with incredible gratitude for my formative years in the Navy. I hope the generations of sailors who will serve aboard the USS McCain will find the same fulfillment that my family does in serving a cause greater than oneself.”
as part of the ceremony, someone smashed a fighter plane into some wires and then the landing deck

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GEORGE W. BUSH VINDICATION BY HISTORY UPDATE


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The endurance of the Kennedy mythology is really something.

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in that one Ike book I read there was an offhand mention regarding the writing of Ike's farewell address regarding how Ike would have never given any of Kennedy's pre-election speeches, and not even the inaugural, and I looked at it and boy Kennedy and Sorensen did love a certain type of imagery and language:
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The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.

We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans--born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage--and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

This much we pledge--and more.

To those old allies whose cultural and spiritual origins we share, we pledge the loyalty of faithful friends. United, there is little we cannot do in a host of cooperative ventures. Divided, there is little we can do--for we dare not meet a powerful challenge at odds and split asunder.

To those new States whom we welcome to the ranks of the free, we pledge our word that one form of colonial control shall not have passed away merely to be replaced by a far more iron tyranny. We shall not always expect to find them supporting our view. But we shall always hope to find them strongly supporting their own freedom--and to remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside.
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Let both sides unite to heed in all corners of the earth the command of Isaiah--to "undo the heavy burdens ... and to let the oppressed go free."

And if a beachhead of cooperation may push back the jungle of suspicion, let both sides join in creating a new endeavor, not a new balance of power, but a new world of law, where the strong are just and the weak secure and the peace preserved.

All this will not be finished in the first 100 days. Nor will it be finished in the first 1,000 days, nor in the life of this Administration, nor even perhaps in our lifetime on this planet. But let us begin.

In your hands, my fellow citizens, more than in mine, will rest the final success or failure of our course. Since this country was founded, each generation of Americans has been summoned to give testimony to its national loyalty. The graves of young Americans who answered the call to service surround the globe.

Now the trumpet summons us again--not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are--but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, "rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation"--a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.

Can we forge against these enemies a grand and global alliance, North and South, East and West, that can assure a more fruitful life for all mankind? Will you join in that historic effort?

In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility--I welcome it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation. The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to this endeavor will light our country and all who serve it--and the glow from that fire can truly light the world.

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similarly, that nutty Reagan book I posted about did make a semi-interesting comparison though the author didn't seem to know the history behind it, where Reagan always used individual examples of people (and how Reagan could change his mind because of the single case of an individual) which began the whole State of the Union shoutout to some guest thing

but when talking about wars/etc. both Ike and Reagan, who swiped it from him and FDR, often used examples of individual soldiers heroic deeds...it was compared to Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech, when the closest W. ever gets to that is saying "our brave soldiers" and otherwise constantly using "we" and conflating their accomplishments with his or his administrations like "we took out Saddam" or whatever

it was an interesting point, i wish it led somewhere in the book instead of being a fun offhand within the garbage

anyway trying to look up something i found this: http://stateoftheunion.onetwothree.net/sotuGraph/index.html
"I" is kinda a fun one, so is "You"

"Racism" was never used in a SOTU until three times by either Carter or Reagan in 1980

"Slavery" had a weird spike around 1860, dunno what that was about

Kara

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It's not even an IMF/EU/Greece whatever specific thing, Kara will correct me if I'm wrong on anything or not, but essentially the same thing would happen in the U.S. for uninsured amounts.

In principle, yes.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9962244/Cypriot-authorities-confirm-raid-on-big-depositors.html

benjipwns

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In principle, yes.
heh, "in principle"

benjipwns

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so I was reading Greenwald bitching about something said on MSNBC in 2016 about Jill Stein when I suddenly remembered that whole Joy Ann Reid situation just sorta faded away didn't it

i didn't really care about the outcome like her getting fired or anything but i was hoping she'd keep digging those holes until they got weirder and weirder, i guess the writers couldn't top her IT security guy who personally ran the Libya operation turning out to be white supremacist angle at the end of last season

also, Trump should probably start firing DoJ and FBI officials for not getting to the bottom of this asap

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so I was reading Greenwald bitching about something said on MSNBC in 2016 about Jill Stein when I suddenly remembered that whole Joy Ann Reid situation just sorta faded away didn't it

i didn't really care about the outcome like her getting fired or anything but i was hoping she'd keep digging those holes until they got weirder and weirder, i guess the writers couldn't top her IT security guy who personally ran the Libya operation turning out to be white supremacist angle at the end of last season

also, Trump should probably start firing DoJ and FBI officials for not getting to the bottom of this asap

I feel like the lesson of this era of politics and pop culture is that as long as you get people around you committed, you can wait out even some of the most damning scandals because the public will largely forget about it in a week or two.

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That would make a neat corollary to the current TV/streaming landscape.

I think Reid's also benefiting from many other liberals not really wanting people to remember what they thought about gay people 15 years ago either.

benjipwns

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trying to find out if there had been anything more in that case i came across this: https://fightfascism.net/
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Reading List for Fighting Fascism

What’s the Matter with Kansas?: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America
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The Grapes of Wrath: 75th Anniversary Edition
BOOKS

A People’s History of the United States
BOOKS

The Feminine Mystique (50th Anniversary Edition)
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American Flag: 100% Made in USA Certified by Grace Alley. 3×5 Ft
PROTEST ITEMS

The Corrosion of Conservatism: Why I Left the Right by Max Boot
BOOKS

The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism
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Animal Farm: A Fairy Story
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The President Is Missing: A Novel
BOOKS

A Higher Loyalty: Truth, Lies, and Leadership
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I Miss Barack Sweatshirt
WEARABLES

who knew it was so easy?

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No On Tyranny?
Trash list/10
Hi

benjipwns

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to be fair, there are 18 pages and i only looked at like the first three

edit: yeah it's on there farther down

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Oh look, Max Boot wrote a #neverTrump book. What a remarkable intellectual journey.

*grinds teeth until they are a fine powder*

Trent Dole

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to be fair, there are 18 pages and i only looked at like the first three

edit: yeah it's on there farther down
That's a lot of consumerism to be fighting fascism with.
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It's not even an IMF/EU/Greece whatever specific thing, Kara will correct me if I'm wrong on anything or not, but essentially the same thing would happen in the U.S. for uninsured amounts. One benefit of our status globally is that Congress could use Dodd-Frank to backdate FDIC changes for accounts over $100,000, which for example increased the payouts from IndyMac's bankruptcy. Those amounts were previously uninsured too, and thus initially forfeit at worse, locked out until post-bankruptcy at best.

 It has less to do with the status as a reserve currency than it does the fact that we can print as many dollars as we want. Greece has to buy Euros via lending or collect them via tax revenue. It has no mechanism to create them out of thin air. This is why the country is so properly fucked, probably for the next 20-30 years.

Changing FDIC insurance is a drop in the bucket compared to how much money the Fed printed through TARP. M2 increased like 20% in less than a year
In 2008-2009 And then did it again in 2011-2012.

Kara

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Animal Farm before Homage to Catalonia? :thinking

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Fromage to Cato Institute is more my jam.

Pretty remarkable that Cato Kaelin started that whole thing, really.