US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[benjipwns]

However, there is no sensible reason not to impeach Trump right now, even if just to show future generations that some upstanding members of congress were not ok with his criminal behavior and this blatant disregard for the constitution.

George W. Bush signed multiple laws while stating he believed them unconstitutional and that he would not follow them. Congress sent him more.

[benjipwns]

benji, that's called foreplay.

so when he was, at the same time, telling the courts to overturn the laws...

[Nintex]

However, there is no sensible reason not to impeach Trump right now, even if just to show future generations that some upstanding members of congress were not ok with his criminal behavior and this blatant disregard for the constitution.

George W. Bush signed multiple laws while stating he believed them unconstitutional and that he would not follow them. Congress sent him more.

Thank god for Dick Cheney who spell checked every document send to George W. 

[Tasty]

The only way for anyone to think Reagan was a good president is to either have been fed nothing but Rep propaganda their entire life or be a moron, or a combination thereof.
Even Nixon was a better president and did not cause as much lasting damage to America.

I'm in the mood to learn some stuff.

Why?

[Boredfrom]

I edited my reply above, Reagan was too popular to impeach.
However, there is no sensible reason not to impeach Trump right now, even if just to show future generations that some upstanding members of congress were not ok with his criminal behavior and this blatant disregard for the constitution.

At this point, I don’t think is feasible even as a symbolic gesture. But Pelosi definitely needs to come with an alternative over “let’s wait until we win the 2020 election”. Trump is unpopular but the majority of citizens seem to be against impeachment (don’t ask me why) so is wise not going all out about it, but they should not act like this past weeks were usual political theater.

[Boredfrom]

They aren't acting like that, Pelosi is routinely calling the president and Barr liars. The Senate won't impeach the sitting president so the choice is between having a failed impeachment proceeding that ends in an embarrassing defeat or not starting the whole circus in the first place.

Dude, everybody knows that they are liars. That Pelosi is fully aware of this and what they are trying to do makes irritating that the strategy it seems “let’s call them assholes and wait for the election”. Like I said, not a unreasonable one by any means, but probably one with bigger risks of it backfires (aka: they lose the election).

[benjipwns]

They aren't going to party whip just to impeach with 500 primary candidates in the middle of running.

[Boredfrom]

They aren't going to party whip just to impeach with 500 primary candidates in the middle of running.

I didn’t say that I wanted that. I just agree with Occam sentiment.

[Nola]

They aren't acting like that, Pelosi is routinely calling the president and Barr liars. The Senate won't impeach the sitting president so the choice is between having a failed impeachment proceeding that ends in an embarrassing defeat or not starting the whole circus in the first place.

Defeat sure, embarrassment? I'm a little more skeptical about that.

I hate the lazy comparison because the substance is drastically different, but impeachment worked against Clinton.

By the time his term ended his brand was so toxic that Al Gore and Bush were basically running against the image the impeachment had brought him. Gore didn't even really want him campaigning for him. Of course Fox News is really powerful today and such, but that was a guy that didn't commit a bunch of actual serious felonies.

From a purely ethical standpoint, the spinelessness is even more concerning.

[Occam]

So they voted to hold Barr in contempt of Congress. Does anybody know what actual consequence this will have?

[Boredfrom]

I didn’t say that I wanted that. I just agree with Occam sentiment.

I really don't mean any offense by this but this is the second or third time you've come in here with a complaint about democratic strategy but totally unrealistic or nonexistent alternatives. I know this is partly an exercise in frustration but you should consider that there isn't really anything anyone can do.

Well, yes. I am not a politician. 

[benjipwns]

So they voted to hold Barr in contempt of Congress. Does anybody know what actual consequence this will have?

It goes on his Permanent Record.

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and no xmas bonus

[Occam]

Impeachment is not the same as removal from office. I don't agree that impeaching Trump would hurt the Democrats; if anything, it would show them not to be spineless for once. Many Democratic voters cast their votes last November expecting a Democratic win to result in impeachment proceedings.

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[Occam]

How about typing an actual response for once?

[Boredfrom]

I didn’t say that I wanted that. I just agree with Occam sentiment.

I really don't mean any offense by this but this is the second or third time you've come in here with a complaint about democratic strategy but totally unrealistic or nonexistent alternatives. I know this is partly an exercise in frustration but you should consider that there isn't really anything anyone can do.

Maybe what you want is dumb nihilistic image heavy hot takes regurgitated from Facebook...

[Boredfrom]

You're so mad you had to reply to me twice

It was more a passive aggressive take that to filler.  the dumbass that likes post that insult him.

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[Occam]

Seriously though, "the American people don't want impeachment" is the Republican narrative, nothing else.
Mueller's report lists hundreds of transgressions and felonies. Impeachment should be mandatory at this point.

[Nintex]

You impeach Trump, he throws a hissy fit, makes a deal with Pence for a pardon and leaves for his golf courses.
Pelosi rather wants Trump as a lame duck than President Pence.

However this strategy is indeed based on the assumption that Trump does not get re-elected and John Bolton will not persuade him to start a war.

[benjipwns]

Many Democratic voters cast their votes last November expecting a Democratic win to result in impeachment proceedings.

a good indicator that they will continue voting Democrat

[Boredfrom]

You are going to write an answer to him?  Is not exactly difficult to prove him wrong or is to hard for you?

[benjipwns]

You impeach Trump, he throws a hissy fit, makes a deal with Pence for a pardon and leaves for his golf courses.
Pelosi rather wants Trump as a lame duck than President Pence.

You can't "pardon" an impeachment conviction.

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IMPEACH THE MODS AND KILL THEM!

[agrajag]

it's hard to imagine Barr would get dragged out of his office cuffed, kkicking and screaming

[Boredfrom]

Why do you let everyone rile you up?

Is less him and more this attitude:

Yeah filler, show me what a great person you can really be!!

“Yeah, filler, be a dumbass Edgelord kid while I dismiss people that genuinely want to discuss stuff beyond that”.

[Joe Molotov]

it's hard to imagine Barr would get dragged out of his office cuffed, kkicking and screaming

it's not that hard, I'm imagining it right now

[Nintex]

it's hard to imagine Barr would get dragged out of his office cuffed, kkicking and screaming

Not going to happen. He'd just resign and sign a book deal. Trump would say, thank you for your service total harrasment by the fake news and appoints a new acting attorney general.

[BIONIC]

What kind of pussy ass biiiaaatttccchh gets triggered by filler?

[Boredfrom]

What kind of pussy ass biiiaaatttccchh gets triggered by filler?

shosta

[Nintex]

Oops wrong thread

[benjipwns]

lol remember when Roger Clemens was indicted for contempt of Congress

[Occam]

"In 1857, Congress made “contempt of Congress” a federal crime. The most recent version of this law was enacted in 1938, and it defines the crime as a misdemeanor with a maximum penalty of $1,000 fine or 12 months’ imprisonment."
https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/business-career/legal/what-is-contempt-of-congress

WTF. How nice 40 people just had a 5-hour debate and that is all it's going to amount to?!
Will Barr be able to pay the full amount or will he go to prison? The suspense is killing me.

[benjipwns]

filler needs to get on this level

https://twitter.com/Team_Mitch/status/1126119955928367104

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/Team_Mitch/status/1126202244397961216

https://twitter.com/mattdizwhitlock/status/1126221047194378240

[Occam]

I like this:

[Cauliflower Of Love]

If it's a federal crime couldn't Trump just pardon him?

Checkmate Quakers.

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IMPEACH THE MODS AND KILL THEM!

[benjipwns]

[BisMarckie]

Bernard at it again.

[benjipwns]

B*rnard pls, we have a boycott on his name like President D*onald Tr*mp

[Tripon]

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[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/AlexMLeo/status/1126144739613532166
https://twitter.com/SanaSaeed/status/1126228689769910274
 

[benjipwns]

I was going to post that but the word filter broke the link so I said screw it

[agrajag]

[Cauliflower Of Love]

meghan is thicc

[james]

Oh, shit, it's May. You guys ready for that fucking 25% tariff on $200B of Chinese goods starting Friday? All because orange ding dong doesn't understand what a trade deficit is? For some reason in March (?) when they pushed it back, I was optimistic they'd come to an agreement. That was dumb of me.

Take my bet you fucking coward

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Oh, shit, it's May. You guys ready for that fucking 25% tariff on $200B of Chinese goods starting Friday? All because orange ding dong doesn't understand what a trade deficit is? For some reason in March (?) when they pushed it back, I was optimistic they'd come to an agreement. That was dumb of me.

Take my bet you fucking coward

[james]

Post it again?

If Biden loses the primary, you give me $20 and get Cream unbanned again for a week

[james]

What if Biden wins?

You get $10 and 4 more years of Trump

[Occam]

In other news, the stable genius claims he lost $1.2b in a decade- to prevent paying taxes. And it's also fake news.
At a time he was so broke his yacht got repossessed.
So it turns out he is exactly the con man we always knew he was.

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[Cauliflower Of Love]

It's either kamala, bernie, or none of these dickheads.

[james]

these are not market odds

I'll do a fifty-fifty bet with you for $200

I am the market.

I am ready to put $10 on the bet. If you're so sure of it, what do you have to lose?

[james]

I can only get hard if it's more money than that

Bwak bwak bwak bwak

[agrajag]

why do you need to be hard to make a bet?

[benjipwns]

I can only get hard if it's more money than that

What am I going to do with $10? I don't spend under $25 for a bottle of wine.

You may have left the Libertarian Party but the Libertarian Party didn't leave you.

[benjipwns]

you some kind of bleeding heart libertarian, boy?

[benjipwns]

ngl i figured that site would be long dead but not only is it still up, but they just released a totally original and informative book:

Academics extol high-minded ideals, such as serving the common good and promoting social justice. Universities aim to be centers of learning that find the best and brightest students, treat them fairly, and equip them with the knowledge they need to lead better lives.

But as Jason Brennan and Phillip Magness show in Cracks in the Ivory Tower, American universities fall far short of this ideal. At almost every level, they find that students, professors, and administrators are guided by self-interest rather than ethical concerns. College bureaucratic structures also often incentivize and reward bad behavior, while disincentivizing and even punishing good behavior. Most students, faculty, and administrators are out to serve themselves and pass their costs onto others.

The problems are deep and pervasive: most academic marketing and advertising is semi-fraudulent. To justify their own pay raises and higher budgets, administrators hire expensive and unnecessary staff. Faculty exploit students for tuition dollars through gen-ed requirements. Students hardly learn anything and cheating is pervasive. At every level, academics disguise their pursuit of self-interest with high-faluting moral language.

Marshaling an array of data, Brennan and Magness expose many of the ethical failings of academia and in turn reshape our understanding of how such high power institutions run their business. Everyone knows academia is dysfunctional. Brennan and Magness show the problems are worse than anyone realized. Academics have only themselves to blame.

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