US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[ToxicAdam]

Maybe, just maybe, the majority of the people that voted for Trump are to blame (if we are determined to blame people anyhow), than a smaller slice of the population we expect to bail us out in elections all the time?

That's where we differ. I don't blame the people because they were presented with two poor choices, I blame the system that caused it.

[agrajag]

Maybe, just maybe, the majority of the people that voted for Trump are to blame (if we are determined to blame people anyhow), than a smaller slice of the population we expect to bail us out in elections all the time?

That's where we differ. I don't blame the people because they were presented with two poor choices, I blame the system that caused it.

can always count on you for useless galaxy brain takes 

[agrajag]

Please stop calling me Shosh. It is extremely embarrassing and this username makes me depressed.

Why did you change your name to Shosh then? I'm just trying to be courteous by calling you your chosen name.

 

[Himu]

Why are we talking about blaming black people anyways in a dumb fuck country where half the country doesn't vote anyways?

Please stop calling me Shosh. It is extremely embarrassing and this username makes me depressed.

Why'd you change it?

[Tasty]

me n brandnew are done with this thread!

 

[BisMarckie]

What if I really don‘t like a particular candidate? Let‘s call him Ernie.  I think attacks are warranted then.

[Himu]

¡¡todos se calmen!!

 

[BisMarckie]

Why'd you change it?

This is some prank by Great Rumbler for joking that I made him change my username six times.

It‘s pretty good. Like it better than Amy Shosta.

[agrajag]

What if I really don‘t like a particular candidate? Let‘s call him Ernie.  I think attacks are warranted then.

You Must Fall In Line   For Your Party The Party Is Never Wrong

[jakefromstatefarm]

STFU if you don't want page long responses dismantling you guys point by point. No one wants that, right?

glen heel-turning into etiolate

bore season 13 finale

[james]

James is such a piece of shit for derailing this thread.

It was TakingBackSunday who did a Resetera hit and run 

 

[agrajag]

STFU if you don't want page long responses dismantling you guys point by point. No one wants that, right?

glen heel-turning into etiolate

bore season 13 finale

Horsefuckers beware

[agrajag]

guys, can we get back to the real issues?

https://twitter.com/peltzmadeline/status/1144464038161604614

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Can I have Shosta's name?

[Tasty]

I thought Shosta got Slosh-ed and that's why his name got changed. But Rumbler was being nice so he withheld the "L". Shosh.

[Trent Dole]

Last nights debate made me remember this exists so now you have to see it too

[VomKriege]

Last nights debate made me remember this exists so now you have to see it too

Erik Salvia is really putting a lot of production value in that Crib Def sketch, isn't he ?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[close]

[Kara]

Those are just rhetorical questions btw.

You are a really ugly person sometimes.

Though James is taking the cake when it comes to that by a country mile.

I'm an ugly person all of the time.

[Kara]

That was me agreeing with you not me being snarky btw.

[CatsCatsCats]

Welp I think I've just about had it with this thread for at least a few weeks.  It's attracted some pretty terrible characters and its depressing as fuck to think that they represent a very real voting block in our population.  And then there's Nintex, who just straight up sucks.

See y'all once the primaries start.

Gworl, all you ever post in this thread are one liners about being angry anyway

[benjipwns]

look all I'm saying is that it's apparently "illegal" and "unethical" and "dangerous" to allow me to vote for the corporations directly, so I'm just settling (teehee) if you will

[Trent Dole]

Last nights debate made me remember this exists so now you have to see it too

Erik Salvia is really putting a lot of production value in that Crib Def sketch, isn't he ?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[close]

Erik

[Nintex]

Yang: "[...]"

*Incoherent 3 hour rambling without interruption*


@AndrewYang: "I'm glad I had such a great exchange of our ideas with our current POTUS.  Will treat each other with respect in this very interesting process  "
 

I'm still at a loss of who is the most useless opponent but I love the scam Yang is running.

[Tasty]

(Image removed from quote.)

With Esch's dick being held by both hands?

[benjipwns]

After you finish this Marianne interview: https://goop.com/wellness/spirituality/how-love-can-solve-political-turbulence/

Be sure to check out: https://goop.com/wellness/spirituality/best-crystals-for-office-desk/

To start: nine crystals that do the work for you. Askinosie says to keep one of these stones nearby if you have career goals in mind; whether that means manifesting a little more money or breaking through writer’s block is up to you.

[BisMarckie]

Looks like she would be the ideal green party candidate. Maybe Jill Stein has received enough Putin dollars to not bother running anymore?

[kingv]

You hyenas can't help yourselves, can you?

Maybe before blaming black people, look at Trump getting over 110% of Romney's vote total in several swing states and focus your ire on the white racists who came out.

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Maybe if the Dem candidate visited these states instead of trying to flip Arizona she would have done better there.

Edit: Very little can convince me that hilldawg didn’t run the worst campaign since Dukakis and that black people have bad taste in politicians and love to vote against their own interests. If anyone can lose to Trump, it’s Biden. Guy had more skeletons in his closet than any other candidate up there except maybe Tulsi.

Hell, dude wanted a constitutional amendment to ban bussing! If he wins you will see some of the dirtiest rumors racist clips from his 30 year history on tv for the next 2 years and he’ll underperform Hillmoney with black people.

Can’t wait to hear clips from his eulogies for segregation’s, and him talking about how awful bussing is, and reparations over his dead body every 15 minutes for a year. If there’s a Dem candidate who used the word negroes into the 80s, it was him.

A we paper bag could probably best Trump at this point, but it will be very cool when Biden loses in 2022 because he’s an objectively bad candidate.

[benjipwns]

Jill is indeed not running.

The two frontrunners for the Green Party nomination:
https://howiehawkins.us/
https://www.dariohunter.com/

Others who have filed, but the party seems unaware of them:
https://www.rolandforpresident.org/

Roland Aranjo is a passionate seeker of the truth. For thirty years he worked in government, politics, non-profits and taught sustainability at a community college. Then in a heart beat he left it all behind. In search of the truth, he went through all world religions, to the Heaven's Mountain and Earth Temple in China and finally the Hopi Villages in Northern Arizona. He is the author of a series of self-help workbooks for these transformational times.

If you'd like to join the race:
https://gpus.org/how-to-seek-2020-green-nomination-2/

[BisMarckie]

I’d love to, but that leads me to an almost philosophical question:
Do you need to be born on US territory even if you don‘t have a chance of winning?

[Tasty]

(Image removed from quote.)

With Nintendo of America as VP?

[Tripon]

I think it would help if former Clinton aides and surrogates got over the 2016 elections and try not to sabotage anybody chances to win an election. Peter Daou* was able to get over it and that guy was literally a child soldier.
https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/20900812203

*Veritt code 0110166

[Tripon]

Jill is indeed not running.

The two frontrunners for the Green Party nomination:
https://howiehawkins.us/
https://www.dariohunter.com/

Others who have filed, but the party seems unaware of them:
https://www.rolandforpresident.org/

Roland Aranjo is a passionate seeker of the truth. For thirty years he worked in government, politics, non-profits and taught sustainability at a community college. Then in a heart beat he left it all behind. In search of the truth, he went through all world religions, to the Heaven's Mountain and Earth Temple in China and finally the Hopi Villages in Northern Arizona. He is the author of a series of self-help workbooks for these transformational times.

If you'd like to join the race:
https://gpus.org/how-to-seek-2020-green-nomination-2/

What's the role of the green party in a political world where advocating for proposals that combat climate change is in the mainstream conservation?

[benjipwns]

to put the word "An Ecosocialist" in front of "Green New Deal" apparently: https://howiehawkins.us/perspectives-and-policies/

AN ECOSOCIALIST GREEN NEW DEAL
Howie believes that the way to interrupt climate change is through a plan of economic democracy that upholds the rights of humans and nature.  Read more below.

and I guess they're going full bore into it in general now?

The central problem of American democracy is that public preferences do not become public policy. The people are way ahead of the politicians, who represent their corporate paymasters more than their voters. We can’t have political democracy without economic democracy.

Democracy needs socialism. Progressive reforms will never be secure as long as the major means of production are in the hands of a super-rich oligarchy whose concentrated economic power translates into concentrated political power. The failure to face this reality is how the managed capitalism advanced by Democratic Party “socialists” comes up short. As Bernie Sanders said in his 2015 speech on democratic socialism, “I don’t believe government should own the means of production.” We should join with these progressives in fighting for reforms, but we should not be politically naive. Progressive reforms are not secure as long as the property-based power structure of the capitalist oligarchy remains intact.

We will never have a secure peace as long as capitalism’s competitive economic structure generates international conflicts and wars. Nuclear-armed capitalist states—including the US, Russia, and China—compete for resources, markets, cheap labor, and geopolitical military positioning.  If we don’t replace capitalism’s nationalistic competition with socialism’s international cooperation, sooner or later these conflicts will end in nuclear annihilation.

also this:

The arms monopolies are characterized by influential warmongering and corresponding war profits, as well as price gouging and systemic corruption. They should be converted to nonprofit public enterprises.

[benjipwns]

also, I should note that the Green Party (or rather "Federation of Green Parties") in the United States makes the Libertarian Party look like a well managed and successful operation

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1144686533242445824

 

[agrajag]

@filler

https://twitter.com/Ilhan/status/1144680165403967488

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/haroldmoss/status/1144692110660186113

lol this dude

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/spatchcock55/status/1144695267850981376

 

[VomKriege]

The arms monopolies are characterized by influential warmongering and corresponding war profits, as well as price gouging and systemic corruption. They should be converted to nonprofit public enterprises.

Meh. As far as I know a lot of the arms production in France until 30 years ago (or 40) and probably going back a century if not to the Revolution (and older but let's keep this in a free market / capitalist context) was public owned or public directed in one way or another (the only major exception being plane maker Dassault). Still is to an extent. Doesn't seem to have curbed imperialism or constant foreign expeditions.

And... You know... The Soviet Union.

As evidenced by the Cold War, you don't need active wars to have arms races. Pound for pound and dollar to dollar, the most expensive equipment actually see very little hot action typically (though they still get used).



Not that I disagree that weapon systems manufacturers need to be under close public scrutiny in general, but that's not the best argument for that IMHO.

[Kara]

The arms monopolies are characterized by influential warmongering and corresponding war profits, as well as price gouging and systemic corruption. They should be converted to nonprofit public enterprises.

Meh. As far as I know a lot of the arms production in France until 30 years ago (or 40) and probably going back a century if not to the Revolution (and older but let's keep this in a free market / capitalist context) was public owned or public directed in one way or another (the only major exception being plane maker Dassault). Doesn't seem to curb imperialism or constant foreign expeditions.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/hasuroma/status/1144645442535415808

Qanon peeps at the point where they are just writing slash fiction.

[Nintex]

 

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1144676233042649090

Yang gang is back.

[BisMarckie]

https://mobile.twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1662705755

When will she appear in an Angelic Initiative video?
The crossover we always wanted

Marianne Williamson/Jamie Body Mind 2020

[VomKriege]

To be honest, I'm making sweeping statements here. Renault, Thomson and interwar plane makers all had long stretches as private companies and generally started as such. But I think it's true to the spirit (especially since post-Liberation) that France always had a tendency to be anally controlling of weapons manufacturing, a stronger affection for central planification than some other Western countries and a tendency to have the "deep state" of professional public servants keeping a more or less direct hand on the economy.

War and imperialism predating massive arms conglomerate by quite some time, I'm not sure the causality I'm arguing against is evident.

[benjipwns]

When will she appear on an Angelic Initiative video?

well now this definitely has just become a high level research priority

[BisMarckie]

That‘s true.

[BisMarckie]

http://www.quantumgrace.net/ARTICLE_THE_ANGELS_ARE_WAITING.html

The Angels Are Waiting for Us

BY MARIANNE WILLIAMSON

So are we.

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/MichaelWBeyer/status/1144707885043212289


 

[BisMarckie]

The second result when you type in marianne williamson angelic initiative is the thread on the bire.

[Nola]

Blame black people for not pandering to white Dem fragility and white people running to the polls to vote for racists bruh

[Nola]

https://twitter.com/MichaelWBeyer/status/1144707885043212289


 

I don’t actually remember, like, any of that. And I find myself swapping between that and Chapo pretty regularly on my commute when I can no longer take news presented in a way that makes me want to put a gun in my mouth....which is often enough to hear a lot of their shit.

[benjipwns]

The second result when you type in marianne williamson angelic initiative is the thread on the bire.

that thread may have accidentally become one of the more informative internet sources on wtf they are and their deal is because I actually read and watched their stuff

[benjipwns]

oh, it's because they CALLED HER OUT:

Here are some of our letters of invitation for others to join us.

Those who have responded
Gay Hendricks, PhD
book endorsement, radio show guest
Hank Wesselman, PhD
book endorsement, radio show guest
Bernie Siegel, MD
radio show guest, book endorsement
Alan Cohen
radio show guest
Ann Marie Chiassen, MD
radio show guest
Jasmuheen
radio show guest

Those who remain silent
His Holiness the Dalai Lama
Thich Nhat Hanh
Adyashanti
Pema Chodron
Deepak Chopra
Esther Hicks
Jack Kornfield
Matthieu Ricard
Eckhart Tolle
Neale Donald Walsch
Marianne Williamson
Oprah Winfrey

updated with letters they sent her: http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=46246.msg2653649#msg2653649

[VomKriege]

Since we're on the subject of black vote, I'm under the impression they are fairly disciplined when it comes to the Dem primary and loyal to the apparent party anointed frontrunner. I imagine there's some well understood historical reasons for that (you can't procrastinate when you're marginalized at every turn) and probably some factors like a tighter community, denser population concentration in average and strong party relays... Am I mistaken in any of that and what's the TLDR ?

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Before Obama, easily yes. Obama, and ironically, it was Biden who got Obama to change his mind on LGBT rights, did a lot of change how the black community thought about LGBT folks. There might still be a bit of it, but I don't think it's that. I think it's just where he's from/age that's an issue.

People still believe that because Joe jumped the gun, he convinced Obama to announce his support.

[VomKriege]

https://twitter.com/MichaelWBeyer/status/1144707885043212289


 

I don’t actually remember, like, any of that. And I find myself swapping between that and Chapo pretty regularly on my commute when I can no longer take news presented in a way that makes me want to put a gun in my mouth....which is often enough to hear a lot of their shit.

I'm listening it on the regular (though often with one ear) and I'm the same though I wouldn't rule out they did say that stuff. They obviously have quite the audience within the Party so it's not out of the question all those candidates listen to them or reach them for opinions privately.

Regardless I don't think Beto needed them to decide to run, politicians don't have to be coerced into the lure of the most powerful public office in the world™ (except JEB!) and Gillibrand polling has been more abysmal than any pundit would have ever dreamt possible beforehand. No one is above getting that sort of predictions wildly off, sometimes two dozen times in a month so it's a limp jab especially since the show is really low on that sort of horse racing commentary.

[Tripon]

NPR resurfaced a 1975 interview with then-Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.) in which he voiced support for a constitutional amendment to end court-ordered busing of black students to predominantly white schools.

“That would clearly do it. We are trying to figure out whether or not we can come up with an innovative piece of legislation which would limit the remedy and I honestly don't know whether we can come up with something constitutional,” Biden said when asked about an amendment. “I'm going to go at it through a constitutional amendment if it can't be done through a piece of legislation.

Biden suggested at the time that liberals were having a knee-jerk reaction to supporting busing as a method of school integration simply because racists were against it.

Biden really hates busses.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/450963-npr-resurfaces-1975-interview-with-biden-supporting-constitutional

[Phoenix Dark]

Hillary could have gotten 2012 level black support numbers and would have still lost...because she did worse with white people, especially in states where it mattered most. Which is why the party should be focused on winning back the midwest....and energizing the base by nominating someone who can turn out voter blocs.

I understand Bernie stans are frustrated their boy is sinking while Warren takes his spot...but you don't gotta lie to kick it.

[agrajag]

Weird comment. What Bernie bro ITT wouldn't gladly vote for Warren in the general? Seems like you're jousting windmills, man.