Author Topic: US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP (Read 6911403 times)

Mild take: Bernie consistently polling in the teens for this long is really, really, really bad for him.

Hot take: in retrospect it was maybe a mistake for Bernie to run again.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #39068 on:** August 06, 2019, 03:41:50 PM »

Doesn't 'most electable' usually mean "Who do I think the dummies in middle America will probably vote for?"

agrajag · « **Reply #39069 on:** August 06, 2019, 03:52:29 PM »

Quote from: james on August 06, 2019, 03:34:59 PM

Quote from: Mandark on August 06, 2019, 03:21:07 PM
So at what point do we start to get antsy?

Warren + Bernie > Biden

It's fine

what about Biden + Harris + Buttchug + Beto + Booker + Klubba + Gillibrand + Castro?

Cauliflower Of Love · « **Reply #39070 on:** August 06, 2019, 04:16:14 PM »

Bernie is just laying low until strike time.

Mandark · « **Reply #39071 on:** August 06, 2019, 04:16:56 PM »

Quote from: Esch on August 06, 2019, 03:46:32 PM

Hot take: the rest of the party has nominally adopted some of his rhetoric and positions with little risk, widening the field and leaving only his core base invested.

If his goal was to push the Dems left, there's probably some success there but he's not and never was going to win.

Bernie and the people in his campaign certainly want to win and believe they can win.

After 2016 there was a pretty plausible case for Bernie's electability (something that's been a central part of the PR coming from his team), when you could say he won more than 40% of the vote while starting from no name recognition and having the entire formal party endorsing his opponent, his approval ratings were high, and he polled better against Trump than Hillary did. None of that's true now.

I think that's why you saw Harris, Booker, Gillibrand, etc. rush to cosponsor his M4A bill. There was a sense that his wing of the party was ascendant and you had to get on their good side to have a chance. I think that perceived clout's dissipated a bit.

benjipwns · « **Reply #39072 on:** August 06, 2019, 04:17:14 PM »

Iowa is still six months away. Super Tuesday is seven months. The debates are going to kick out 60+% of the field from here on.

The guys that the Anti-Biden Coalition needs to beat down is not the inconsistent and fickle 1% group, it's the mid-tier of Buttigieg, O'Rourke, Booker and Yang. That's ten points and lots of money that the anti-Biden candidates of Warren/Harris need to ensure early delegate accumulation.

Trent Dole · « **Reply #39073 on:** August 06, 2019, 04:18:43 PM »

Quote from: james on August 06, 2019, 02:53:27 PM

We have our orders, gravelanchers

https://twitter.com/MikeGravel/status/1158739504829779969

People that like Gravel and Sanders is a circle that completely overlaps.

Also - is fattie so terrible that he'll make blue Texas actually happen?
https://twitter.com/PoliticsReid/status/1158789058744770560

james · « **Reply #39074 on:** August 06, 2019, 04:31:23 PM »

Quote from: agrajag on August 06, 2019, 03:52:29 PM

Quote from: james on August 06, 2019, 03:34:59 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 06, 2019, 03:21:07 PM
So at what point do we start to get antsy?

Warren + Bernie > Biden

It's fine

what about Biden + Harris + Buttchug + Beto + Booker + Klubba + Gillibrand + Castro?

I will never forgive Biden, Warren, Harris, Buttichug, Beto, Booker, Klober, Gillibrand, Castro, Yang, Williamson, De Blasio, and Delaney for standing in the way of a Bernie presidency.

Never.

benjipwns · « **Reply #39075 on:** August 06, 2019, 04:38:50 PM »

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/06/magazine/mayor-bill-de-blasio-2020-campaign.html

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The outing bore few markings of a nascent presidential campaign — no posters, no stickers, no volunteers collecting voter information — and not everyone seemed pleased to see him. Though de Blasio had arranged to address members of the state’s Democratic black caucus, he was piggybacking on an event already scheduled by another candidate in the polling-circa-1-percent subdivision, the former tech executive Andrew Yang. When Yang concluded a planned speech to about two dozen activists, de Blasio slid in behind him, as perhaps 20 people lingered. “I live in New York,” Yang said as he left. “You have to come to South Carolina to meet your New York mayor.”

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On the eve of his intended rollout, the news was scooped by a Missouri high schooler scrolling through Facebook after an A.P. exam. The teenager, Gabe Fleisher, who writes a popular political newsletter, noticed an Iowa Democratic group’s invitation to see “Bill di Blasio” on his kickoff tour. The mayor had carefully prepared a Trump-baiting insult for his debut: “I call him ‘Con Don,’ ” he told reporters, urging social media followers to adopt the hashtag. Social media informed him that “condón” means “condom” in Spanish.

Virtually none of de Blasio’s former top advisers, including those who engineered his 2013 mayoral upset, joined his cause this time. One of them, John Del Cecato, had his own 2020 decision revealed by Politico the night before de Blasio’s: He was going to work for his former boss’s Democratic rival Pete Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Ind., a city smaller in population than the Brooklyn neighborhood of Bushwick.

Privately, according to three people who heard the pitch, de Blasio suggested he could resonate with voters “as a unit” alongside his wife, Chirlane McCray, who is black, running on both his unyielding progressivism and the “incredibly successful” interracial marriage

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Several months later, with the 2016 presidential election looming, the mayor established a nonprofit that seemed intended to position him as the contest’s liberal gatekeeper. He planned to lead a forum on income inequality in Iowa, but the event was scrapped amid a lack of interest from candidates. The mayor worried (correctly) that Sanders’s insurgent challenge to Hillary Clinton was making his task irrelevant. “What am I supposed to do?” he asked privately, citing Sanders’s success in moving the conversation as he had hoped to. By the time de Blasio endorsed Clinton, his former boss, after months of public vacillation, he had antagonized her campaign enough to dampen any enthusiasm for his help. He went to Iowa anyway.

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And after repeatedly testing the letter and spirit of campaign finance laws while in office, the mayor has engaged in the kind of creative (and ethically dubious) accounting that prompted this recent Politico New York headline: “Amid murkiness over spending, de Blasio team says campaign launch video was not a campaign expense.”

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In mid-July, when a blackout hit large chunks of Manhattan’s West Side, de Blasio was off in Waterloo, Iowa. He initially equivocated when asked by reporters if he would return home. By the time he did the next day, the power was back, and The Post was working up a front-page editorial demanding the mayor’s ouster: “DE BLASIO MUST GO!”

That Monday, during de Blasio’s weekly appearance on NY1, a local television station, the host, Errol Louis, raised a hypothetical: The mayor is trying to reach a city official during an emergency. And the official is out of town applying for a new job. “You wouldn’t be happy about that, right?” Louis asked.

The mayor’s eyes narrowed a bit. He shook his head slightly. “I don’t understand the analogy,” he said.

agrajag · « **Reply #39076 on:** August 06, 2019, 04:41:20 PM »

here's a little balance for the thread

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1158810281423900678

benjipwns · « **Reply #39077 on:** August 06, 2019, 04:47:18 PM »

more Kamala Kollapse

benjipwns · « **Reply #39078 on:** August 06, 2019, 04:53:14 PM »

from the Quinnipac poll:

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• Biden gets 47 percent of black Democrats, with 16 percent for Sanders, 8 percent for Warren and 1 percent for Harris;
• Women Democrats go 31 percent for Biden, 24 percent for Warren, 10 percent for Sanders and 7 percent for Harris;
• Very liberal Democrats go 40 percent for Warren, 20 percent for Sanders, 19 percent for Biden and 7 percent for Harris;
• Somewhat liberal Democrats go 28 percent for Biden, 20 percent for Warren, 14 percent for Sanders and 10 percent for Harris;
• Moderate/conservative Democrats go 43 percent for Biden, 11 percent for Warren, 9 percent for Sanders, and 4 percent each for Harris and South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg.

james · « **Reply #39079 on:** August 06, 2019, 04:58:42 PM »

Quote

Biden gets 47 percent of black Democrats,

team filler · « **Reply #39080 on:** August 06, 2019, 05:00:28 PM »

the biden blacks gonna give us 4 more years of trump

Cauliflower Of Love · « **Reply #39081 on:** August 06, 2019, 05:04:50 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on August 06, 2019, 04:47:18 PM

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more Kamala Kollapse

Bernie's growing out of his sheath.

benjipwns · « **Reply #39082 on:** August 06, 2019, 05:14:12 PM »

Mike Pence going after the crucial The Bire vote:

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Mr. Pence said that as a politician he faces a lot of attacks, and had several pieces of advice.

“No. 1 is, spend more time on your knees than on the internet,” he said.

team filler · « **Reply #39083 on:** August 06, 2019, 05:30:58 PM »

pence and his wife have a BBC bull

Tripon · « **Reply #39084 on:** August 06, 2019, 05:33:14 PM »

There was a politico article last month that basically said that Sanders and Warren supporters are from different parts of the party.

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In poll after poll, Sanders appeals to lower-income and less-educated people; Warren beats Sanders among those with postgraduate degrees. Sanders performs better with men, Warren with women. Younger people who vote less frequently are more often in Sanders’ camp; seniors who follow politics closely generally prefer Warren.

Sanders also has won over more African Americans than Warren: He earns a greater share of support from black voters than any candidate in the race except for Joe Biden, according to the latest Morning Consult surveys.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/12/sanders-warren-voters-2020-1408548

By my estimation despite coming from different parts of the party, Sanders and Biden's supporters share more in common with each other than Sanders and Warren, if only because a large chunk of Sanders and Bidens supporters are poorer and have less education than Warren supporters. In my opinion, the current stale break we have right now is when one of Sanders and Biden drops out, not when any of the 2nd and 3rd tier candidates drop out, and I don't think that question gets answered until after the Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada primaries/caucuses.

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #39085 on:** August 06, 2019, 05:37:12 PM »

biden v trump
going to be an awareness campaign about dementia or whatever

benjipwns · « **Reply #39086 on:** August 06, 2019, 05:46:14 PM »

from the Morning Consult poll:
BIDEN SUPPORTERS
Second Choice Selections
Bernie Sanders 24%
Elizabeth Warren 20%
Kamala Harris 15%

SANDERS SUPPORTERS
Second Choice Selections
Joe Biden 31%
Elizabeth Warren 26%
Kamala Harris 8%

WARREN SUPPORTERS
Second Choice Selections
Bernie Sanders 25%
Kamala Harris 22%
Joe Biden 17%

HARRIS SUPPORTERS
Second Choice Selections
Elizabeth Warren 26%
Joe Biden 24%
Bernie Sanders 12%

BUTTIGIEG SUPPORTERS
Second Choice Selections
Elizabeth Warren 21%
Kamala Harris 18%
Joe Biden 17%

Tripon · « **Reply #39087 on:** August 06, 2019, 05:58:14 PM »

team filler · « **Reply #39088 on:** August 06, 2019, 06:29:23 PM »

Tripon · « **Reply #39089 on:** August 06, 2019, 06:35:27 PM »

https://twitter.com/majorityfm/status/1158868909430362117

Occam · « **Reply #39090 on:** August 06, 2019, 06:44:05 PM »

Has been deleted. What did it say?

Nintex · « **Reply #39091 on:** August 06, 2019, 06:44:43 PM »

Biden is like Romney 2012, the flavors of the week are cancelling each other so you'll end up with the inevitable choice no one is excited about.
The VP selection will be important and could either get him over the line or completely sink him.

Trump will be happy if Sleepy Joe is his opponent.
The easiest target for him to take down.

Tripon · « **Reply #39092 on:** August 06, 2019, 06:55:52 PM »

Quote from: Occam on August 06, 2019, 06:44:05 PM

Has been deleted. What did it say?

Wapo story about which candidates shared which donors. Not surprisingly, Bernie Sanders was the candidate that shared the least donors out of all the candidates.

Cauliflower Of Love · « **Reply #39093 on:** August 06, 2019, 07:20:49 PM »

Quote from: Tripon on August 06, 2019, 06:55:52 PM

Quote from: Occam on August 06, 2019, 06:44:05 PM
Has been deleted. What did it say?

Wapo story about which candidates shared which donors. Not surprisingly, Bernie Sanders was the candidate that shared the least donors out of all the candidates.

Why throw money down the drain when we all know Bernie is inevitable.

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #39094 on:** August 06, 2019, 07:21:01 PM »

Quote from: Nintex on August 06, 2019, 06:44:43 PM

Biden is like Romney 2012, the flavors of the week are cancelling each other so you'll end up with the inevitable choice no one is excited about.
The VP selection will be important and could either get him over the line or completely sink him.

Trump will be happy if Sleepy Joe is his opponent.
The easiest target for him to take down.

apparently biden tends to lead in a head-to-head poll with trump
the debates will be comedy gold though

Tripon · « **Reply #39095 on:** August 06, 2019, 08:29:11 PM »

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1158841864000327680

agrajag · « **Reply #39096 on:** August 06, 2019, 08:29:54 PM »

but Obama

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1158691113047416832

benjipwns · « **Reply #39097 on:** August 06, 2019, 08:36:20 PM »

Nate makes a good point, I bet those Bernard scrooges aren't even donating the maximum allowed either, let alone spreading it around to the other candidates.

Tripon · « **Reply #39098 on:** August 06, 2019, 08:43:44 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on August 06, 2019, 08:36:20 PM

Nate makes a good point, I bet those Bernard scrooges aren't even donating the maximum allowed either, let alone spreading it around to the other candidates.

Nate should take his own advice and not just donate mind space but actual dollars to Bernie et al.

benjipwns · « **Reply #39099 on:** August 06, 2019, 09:05:51 PM »

GR spotted with skin crawler:

agrajag · « **Reply #39100 on:** August 06, 2019, 09:23:32 PM »

GR is smaller than I imagined

Tripon · « **Reply #39101 on:** August 06, 2019, 09:51:37 PM »

A congressman doxxing.

https://twitter.com/Castro4Congress/status/1158576680182718464

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Joaquin Castro, a Democratic congressman from Texas and chairman of the presidential campaign of his twin brother, Julián, fired back on Tuesday after being castigated on social media for tweeting the names and occupations of his constituents who’d maxed out their donations to President Donald Trump.

His tweet contained a graphic titled “Who’s funding Trump?” and listed the names of 44 people who purportedly contributed the maximum amount allowed by campaign finance laws. Their occupations, which, like donor names, are public record, were also listed. Close to a dozen of the donors shown are retirees.

“Sad to see so many San Antonians as 2019 maximum donors to Donald Trump,” Castro wrote, naming local businesses whose owners were on the list. “Their contributions are fueling a campaign of hate that labels Hispanic immigrants as ‘invaders.’”

The graphic, which Castro indicated had originated with a Democratic activist group, was blasted out to the more than 27,000 followers of his congressional campaign account on Tuesday afternoon. It came as politicians’ loaded rhetoric has come under closer scrutiny after a mass shooting over the weekend in El Paso that killed 22 and wounded dozens of others. Trump’s anti-immigrant rhetoric, which mirrored language used by the suspected shooter in a racist manifesto, has loomed over the tragedy in the days since.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/06/joaquin-castro-trump-donors-1450672

EightBitNate · « **Reply #39102 on:** August 06, 2019, 10:44:03 PM »

https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1158896220309512192

Is Carlson’s program advertised as a legitimate news source?

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #39103 on:** August 06, 2019, 10:45:51 PM »

We calling public campaign finance info doxxing now?

james · « **Reply #39104 on:** August 06, 2019, 10:49:15 PM »

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on August 06, 2019, 10:45:51 PM

We calling public campaign finance info doxxing now?

Yes.

But also the yellow pages are doxxing too

Tripon · « **Reply #39105 on:** August 06, 2019, 10:51:40 PM »

Quote from: james on August 06, 2019, 10:49:15 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on August 06, 2019, 10:45:51 PM
We calling public campaign finance info doxxing now?

Yes.

But also the yellow pages are doxxing too

I wasn't being serious. I'll put the

emote to it next time.

james · « **Reply #39106 on:** August 06, 2019, 11:04:05 PM »

Quote from: Tripon on August 06, 2019, 10:51:40 PM

Quote from: james on August 06, 2019, 10:49:15 PM
Quote from: CatsCatsCats on August 06, 2019, 10:45:51 PM
We calling public campaign finance info doxxing now?

Yes.

But also the yellow pages are doxxing too

I wasn't being serious. I'll put the emote to it next time.

I assumed you were a NYT editor

Nintex · « **Reply #39107 on:** August 07, 2019, 08:21:42 AM »

Now that hipster culture, video games and comic book movies have gone mainstream and Google Assistant and Siri can help with computer problems, they no longer have need of the nerds.

The nerds will be mass incarcerated and executed, it is inevitable.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #39108 on:** August 07, 2019, 08:57:13 AM »

Quote from: Stro on August 07, 2019, 07:53:10 AM

I love how annoyed and disgusted every reporter that has to do a segment on 8chan/message boards in general looks. None of them on any network are able to hide their disdain on this nerd shit.

Multiplied when they have footage of any of the people involved and they look/sound exactly like what you'd imagine them to look/sound like.

To be fair, I'd probably have the same expression after digging through the darkest depths of 8chan.

Tripon · « **Reply #39109 on:** August 07, 2019, 10:14:47 AM »

https://twitter.com/travis_view/status/1158885000961355776

Tasty · « **Reply #39110 on:** August 07, 2019, 10:15:37 AM »

https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/8/7/20757705/elizabeth-warren-broadband-digital-divide-broadband-access

Warren again with another "duh this is common sense, why hasn't this been done before / why isn't anyone else proposing or talking about this" proposal.

james · « **Reply #39111 on:** August 07, 2019, 10:20:17 AM »

10-year yield drops under 1.6%, 30-year yield nears record low as collapse in rates accelerates

why the fuck dont we have a Ron Paul emoticon

Mandark · « **Reply #39112 on:** August 07, 2019, 10:21:37 AM »

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #39113 on:** August 07, 2019, 10:56:21 AM »

Quote from: james on August 07, 2019, 10:20:17 AM

10-year yield drops under 1.6%, 30-year yield nears record low as collapse in rates accelerates

james, stop talking about 10-year olds, jesus christ

Nintex · « **Reply #39114 on:** August 07, 2019, 11:20:24 AM »

Don't panic, the Fed is already asking Zero Hedge to provide them with updates on the situation

Mandark · « **Reply #39115 on:** August 07, 2019, 12:02:25 PM »

https://twitter.com/jonathanweisman/status/1159117721369530368

Right now it's not even a ratio, cause there's no denominator.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #39116 on:** August 07, 2019, 12:20:06 PM »

https://mobile.twitter.com/dril/status/841892608788041732

Nintex · « **Reply #39117 on:** August 07, 2019, 12:47:41 PM »

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1159142745669283843

Keep the Yang Scam alive

EightBitNate · « **Reply #39118 on:** August 07, 2019, 12:53:57 PM »

“Him or her”

Damn Yang lobbying hard for that alt-right vote

team filler · « **Reply #39119 on:** August 07, 2019, 01:00:37 PM »

https://twitter.com/gubatron/status/1159143378539307008

News:

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