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What the heck is this?  :-\

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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/have-never-trumpers-become-a-democratic-faction.html

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Someone enlighten me, what's wrong with "never trumpers".

Isn't that type of faction always baked into every election? Back in 2004 and 2012, huge swaths of the voting public weren't voting for Kerry and Romney, they were just voting to get rid of their proverbial 'anti-christ'.

Worth clicking through those links but I'll summarize.

#nevertrump doesn't refer to people who hate Trump generally, but to a specific group of Republican/conservative media personalities who opposed Trump and adopted that hashtag in 2016 to signal that they wouldn't support him even if he got the nomination. Bill Kristol, Jennifer Rubin, etc.

They have a tendency to offer concern-troll advice about how the Dems need to move right to beat Trump. This is suspect because beating Trump is the area where they have negative expertise. It gets annoying for liberals especially cause the #nevertrump pundits are comically overrepresented in op-ed pages and on cable TV compared to their actual constituency, plus they mostly seem pretty dumb on a personal level.

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Biden is running what you would call a 'disarming' campaign.
Trump presents himself as a sort of military leader ready to strong arm both friend and foe to get the 'best deal' for America and willing to destroy its enemies if need be. A fighter who doesn't back down even if everyone hates him and disagrees.
Joe is portrayed as a compassionate candidate who looks out for the interest of the common man and would rather avoid conflict and find a compromise with competitors. A friend you can rely on and trust to do the right thing.

The question is what message the voters find more appealing.
Returning to 'normal' with Joe, which might not be a revolution but at least doesn't leave anyone behind and is less risky. Except for the fact that China would probably be on its way to global super power again sooner
Or go with Trump to make him do his pre Covid-19 economic boom magic once more at the expense of friendly relations with allies and competitors and take a bigger risk such as trade wars.

ISIS, Baghdadi, Soleimani, Trump took on a surprising big number of America's enemies and defeated most of them and made Mexico, NATO, OPEC and others bend to his will.
Not to mention he made it through the Russia investigation and the Ukraine impeachment trials leaving people who kept predicting his downfall with nothing.
The Trump is an idiot insult isn't thrown around much anymore the past few months.

Overall I think Biden is picking the right strategy. He will get a different group of voters but a pissing contest between Joe and Donald on who would take on the Chinese more aggressively would be impossible to win for the Democratic Party.
They would either have to approve with the measures Trump will enact to retaliate or argue that he's letting them off the hook too easily and Trump would always be willing to escalate to new levels of retaliation, bullying and threats.
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I'd argue there's a big difference between former (or embarrassed) republicans and Never Trumpers. Namely numbers. You can look at 2018 exit polls and see a noticeable shift from some republicans, often surbanites, voting blue. One reason I think Biden will do well is because he's doing much better in those areas than Hillary did in the primary, and I expect it to translate to November (to some degree).

Whereas on the flip side, Never Trumpers are basically like 20 dudes and Jennifer Rubin. I don't have a problem with them, but man they sure do have an amplified platform that doesn't match their size. It's like if Canibus had a Bad Boy-circa-1997 street team/label push.
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I don't think Jennifer Rubin even bothers to vote but instead just Tweets
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Never Trumpers are a media phenomenon. There are like 50 of them at most.

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I genuinely don't understand what distinction you're drawing between suburban republicans and people who are suburban republicans but also have media access.

yeah what's the difference between being a career political operative and not being a career political operative

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Guys like Tom Nichols rarely trigger me with their shit, but I can't stand Jennifer Rubin. I think a lot of Never Trumpers basically had the general view that "dems should beat Trump as long as they don't nominate an idiot who daps the Soviet Union and Fidel Castro"...a position I basically held as well. They're pretty hands off with this shit though. They're voting for Biden (or claim they will), hope he wins, sometimes throw out a wack vice president suggestion etc but generally the noise level is pretty low. On the flip side Rubin is basically on a righteous mission to elect Biden, hand pick his cabinet, and tell us how brilliant his every move is.

If you're a degenerate like myself, who has a near perfect memory of irrelevant bullshit information, you might remember Jennifer Rubin's obsession with the 2013 Massachusetts special election for senate. A pretty boring, normal democrat won the nomination: Ed Markey. Republicans nominated Gabriel Gomez, a former Navy SEAL and aircraft carrier pilot. Jennifer Rubin spent the entire year breathlessly covering every Gomez campaign moment, and despite literally every local poll showing Markey ahead with a solid lead, Rubin argued Gomez had the momentum and could be the future of the republican party. She spent months hyping the election, only for Markey to win with a 10% margin.

And of course a year before that, Rubin was Romney's biggest stan and claimed he was the front runner based on a variety of nonsensical arguments. Point being: Rubin has a history of picking losers and then riding the plane into the mountain. Not saying Biden is going to lose, I think he's gonna win. But Rubin is terrible and should never be taken seriously.
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People call Joe Biden a loser a lot, but I think it has to be pointed out that Joe Biden has never lost a presidential election against Donald Trump in 2020 in the middle of a global pandemic

Joe Biden is a test case.  :doge

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People call Joe Biden a loser a lot, but I think it has to be pointed out that Joe Biden has never lost a presidential election against Donald Trump in 2020 in the middle of a global pandemic

Neither has Hillary Clinton
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Obviously there really aren't very many people who refused to vote for Trump in 2016 but it's clear that the people who have been switching parties since 2018 are in the exact same demographic as Bill Kristol and Max Boot so referring to them as "NeverTrumpers" is an inaccurate but forgivable shorthand. That's all I'm saying.

if by that you mean mostly white people with college degrees, consider that this describes the entire media class

also boot, bret stephens, david brooks, etc. live in new york city which makes for an interesting definition of "suburban"

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giving like 17 #nevertrump pundits credit for flipping the suburbs blue with their epic tweets

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https://twitter.com/BW/status/1258072391873413122

But all we have to do is turn the economy switch from "off" to "on" and we go back to the greatest period of economic growth ever, right?

It's over for a lot of people and businesses. Sure you'll always find some people who will go to the mall at this time, but a lot of US spending is driven by older people. Are your parents going to the dentist next month? Are they going to Dennys for that weekly breakfast? Is mom going to her favorite nursery to buy some plants for the yard? Dad hanging around at the book store anytime soon?

I get that Trump is a buffoon but man...am I a fool for being stunned that him and economic advisers are out here predicting an economic boom between now and October, while virtually every reputable firm is looking at this like "yea uh, we're fucked"? 
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https://twitter.com/bencasselman/status/1258136404363808769

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Trump’s play right now is to get numbers to where it *looks* like the economy is rebounding. He knows if people start to return to work there’s going to be a huge number of people off the unemployment percentage and gdp numbers are going to be up. Neither one could possibly be a return to anything resembling pre-coronavirus, but he’s going to take credit for any positive numbers. This plan is going to fail though because the only thing that could make people comfortable and start any kind of “recovery” is wide scale testing followed by a vaccine. They’ve completely fucked the first one and of course the second is still a ways off. So it’s all going to be shitty and people will start to get ground down.

He could still win though, people who like him are just that fucking stupid.
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Steve Mnuchin is fighting with Axl Rose on twitter.

https://twitter.com/stevenmnuchin1/status/1258190359756226563

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My concern about all these jobs disappearing is even if they do reappear, I get the feeling it'll be like the recovery of 08 where all the jobs are shit that basically can't pay the bills, more app stuff and precarious work?

The other American recessions in the 30 years (the early 90's Bush I recession, the dot com bubble bursting, and the Great Recession) all involved long "jobless recoveries" rather than quick snap-backs.

A lot of it comes down to whether there's the political willpower to really make that machine go brrrr. Given the response to the virus itself so far I'm not super optimistic.

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I just hope I at least get a severance at this point...

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This plan is going to fail though because the only thing that could make people comfortable and start any kind of “recovery” is wide scale testing followed by a vaccine. They’ve completely fucked the first one and of course the second is still a ways off. So it’s all going to be shitty and people will start to get ground down.
+ covid likely coming back in the ~8 weeks leading up to November.

A lot of it comes down to whether there's the political willpower to really make that machine go brrrr.
it’s really telling how allergic they are to just taking the layup

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Trump’s play right now is to get numbers to where it *looks* like the economy is rebounding. He knows if people start to return to work there’s going to be a huge number of people off the unemployment percentage and gdp numbers are going to be up. Neither one could possibly be a return to anything resembling pre-coronavirus, but he’s going to take credit for any positive numbers. This plan is going to fail though because the only thing that could make people comfortable and start any kind of “recovery” is wide scale testing followed by a vaccine. They’ve completely fucked the first one and of course the second is still a ways off. So it’s all going to be shitty and people will start to get ground down.

He could still win though, people who like him are just that fucking stupid.

do you write for mika and joe?

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Trump’s play right now is to get numbers to where it *looks* like the economy is rebounding. He knows if people start to return to work there’s going to be a huge number of people off the unemployment percentage and gdp numbers are going to be up. Neither one could possibly be a return to anything resembling pre-coronavirus, but he’s going to take credit for any positive numbers. This plan is going to fail though because the only thing that could make people comfortable and start any kind of “recovery” is wide scale testing followed by a vaccine. They’ve completely fucked the first one and of course the second is still a ways off. So it’s all going to be shitty and people will start to get ground down.

He could still win though, people who like him are just that fucking stupid.

do you write for mika and joe?
who the fuck are mika and joe?
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Trump’s play right now is to get numbers to where it *looks* like the economy is rebounding. He knows if people start to return to work there’s going to be a huge number of people off the unemployment percentage and gdp numbers are going to be up. Neither one could possibly be a return to anything resembling pre-coronavirus, but he’s going to take credit for any positive numbers. This plan is going to fail though because the only thing that could make people comfortable and start any kind of “recovery” is wide scale testing followed by a vaccine. They’ve completely fucked the first one and of course the second is still a ways off. So it’s all going to be shitty and people will start to get ground down.

He could still win though, people who like him are just that fucking stupid.

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who the fuck are mika and joe?

The morning Joe cast, aka, centerists central.


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Please seek help if you’re watching a morning show on msnbc
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My concern about all these jobs disappearing is even if they do reappear, I get the feeling it'll be like the recovery of 08 where all the jobs are shit that basically can't pay the bills, more app stuff and precarious work?

The other American recessions in the 30 years (the early 90's Bush I recession, the dot com bubble bursting, and the Great Recession) all involved long "jobless recoveries" rather than quick snap-backs.

A lot of it comes down to whether there's the political willpower to really make that machine go brrrr. Given the response to the virus itself so far I'm not super optimistic.

Almost anything involving live events isn't coming back this year, and for some areas possibly ever. Things like trade shows, live performances (comedy, music, theater) and parts of sporting events are all just off the table. I also wonder how much television and film production gets impacted. Things are still not great in Los Angeles, which means a lot of these jobs are a long way off from coming back.
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There’s something between 30-40% unemployment in LA right not according to estimates and that probably undercounts the number of people who have lost a portion of their work but are still making money. It’s going to wild down there for years and not in any good way.
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Not to mention the state budget is going to get slashed or running a deficient for years. Non zero chances school districts start laying off teachers despite likely guidelines of having students try to social distance in classrooms already too small.


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Briahna is in the same category now as Bill Mitchell, where tweets taken individually are good enough content for the forum but the sheer volume of nonsense is unbearable. blacklist pls
look what you did, stost!  >:(

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Trump’s play right now is to get numbers to where it *looks* like the economy is rebounding. He knows if people start to return to work there’s going to be a huge number of people off the unemployment percentage and gdp numbers are going to be up. Neither one could possibly be a return to anything resembling pre-coronavirus, but he’s going to take credit for any positive numbers. This plan is going to fail though because the only thing that could make people comfortable and start any kind of “recovery” is wide scale testing followed by a vaccine. They’ve completely fucked the first one and of course the second is still a ways off. So it’s all going to be shitty and people will start to get ground down.

He could still win though, people who like him are just that fucking stupid.

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who the fuck are mika and joe?

thats a yes

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Like any of them will be any good :sabu
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It doesn't seem like the financial institutions or corporations are in big trouble yet so I expect a short term recovery not to mention additional investments to invest in the 'social distancing' measures.
With travel to foreign countries not possible for the time being people that spend on vacations will more likely spend it closer to home. If the GOP and Democrats really start to rebuild and revamp the infrastructure and offer other big state projects, the unemployment rate will go down fast as well. 

What is less clear for me is what this will do for demand of certain products and services. Like cars, restaurants etc. .
It should be fairly cheap to keep the wheel turning in terms of domestic spending on the short term.
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and still trumps gonna regain the whitehouse lol

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https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject-pool-report-10-iowa-governor-in-oval-1843293745

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"In a way by doing all this testing we make ourselves look bad... we're going to have more cases" because more testing, Trump said.

"Anyone who wants a test can get one." tRump said. "We won't give you a test though. It may show positive and that makes our numbers go up."

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Flynn wins.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1258463878234726400

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https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1258468777999527937

Trump wins.

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nothing hamburger sandwiches  :biden
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The Intelligence Services and John Brennan lost, the Trumpists won.
Flynn luckily doesn't look like the guy who would hold a a grunge against someone and would try to get revenge.





This will probably increase the likely hood that Trump fires the FBI director and replaces him as his loyalists want.
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Flynn wins.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1258463878234726400
Yet more evidence that they've gotten him to flip on Trump.

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https://twitter.com/aidachavez/status/1258491089280888834

They will all need Switches to keep themselves in busy in SPACE GITMO once the Flynnquisition begins. 
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I was gonna post jay-z's vote or die message until i realized it was puff daddy's message.

Of course jayz wouldn't be for something like that.

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Andy Lack is a hack  :lol


I still love how dank this timeline is

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there is nothing "dank" about this you petulant lizarddicked boob
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"Justice Department"

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