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« Reply #61500 on: August 07, 2020, 12:51:21 PM »
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1291776114193506307

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« Reply #61501 on: August 07, 2020, 01:50:44 PM »
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« Reply #61502 on: August 07, 2020, 01:58:45 PM »
trump flu won't be gone until trump is gone.
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« Reply #61503 on: August 07, 2020, 03:15:45 PM »
Phase 4 bill looking a bit dead right now.

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« Reply #61504 on: August 07, 2020, 03:17:52 PM »
Apparently Congress really does need to see the U.S. in a deep depression before acting, huh.

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« Reply #61505 on: August 07, 2020, 03:21:08 PM »
Every day the government buildings are not burning is a day without a deal.

You want government to give a shit? Buy a safety vest.



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« Reply #61506 on: August 07, 2020, 03:21:34 PM »
Apparently Congress really does need to see the U.S. in a deep depression before acting, huh.

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« Reply #61507 on: August 07, 2020, 03:28:49 PM »
There's nothing stopping states from passing their own stimulus bills and issuing their own (regional?) debt instruments. Blue states should just do it themselves and if the rest of the country wants to wallow in depression, that's up to them.

They dont have money printers and most of them have a balanced budget constitutional requirement
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« Reply #61508 on: August 07, 2020, 03:35:12 PM »
They can repeal them! That's a political challenge but an easier one than the one facing the federal government.

Democrats saying they will do things and then not doing things, name a more iconic pair
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« Reply #61509 on: August 07, 2020, 03:40:57 PM »
Reading about the state of negotiations today reminded me that Scalia's kid is in charge of the Department of Labor.

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« Reply #61510 on: August 07, 2020, 05:11:45 PM »
lol why are the Clintons going to be speaking at the convention. Fuck off and go away, losers.

Surprise step down of Biden in favor of Hillary.

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« Reply #61512 on: August 07, 2020, 05:21:49 PM »
lol why are the Clintons going to be speaking at the convention. Fuck off and go away, losers.

Surprise step down of Biden in favor of Hillary.

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"You will always be President Joe, in our hearts But Hillary Clinton will be our nominee"

"You can't do that.. you can't do .. you know you can't do the thing.. with the hair, what they call it...."

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*BillyBoy69 joined the meeting*

"Heya everybody this is Bill Clinton live on this here internet video to say that I'm really glad you've all decided to nominate my wife for President of the United States"
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« Reply #61513 on: August 07, 2020, 05:29:40 PM »
It'd be hilarious if they made her the VP.
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« Reply #61514 on: August 07, 2020, 05:29:48 PM »
are you a fallon writer nintex
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« Reply #61515 on: August 07, 2020, 05:31:57 PM »
are you a fallon writer nintex

I'm not aiming that high, I would be satisfied with SNL or Colbert for Normies. :trumps
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| RIP Cain Train #pizzagate
« Reply #61516 on: August 07, 2020, 05:32:20 PM »
more like a failin writer :biden
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« Reply #61517 on: August 07, 2020, 05:43:40 PM »
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/instagram-related-hashtags-favoring-trump-over-biden
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The difference between these two results, which an Instagram spokesperson told BuzzFeed News was a “bug,” prevented hashtags including #Trump and #MAGA from being associated with potentially negative content. Meanwhile, Instagram hashtags associated with the Democratic presidential candidate — #JoeBiden and #Biden, for example — were presented alongside content that included overtly pro-Trump content and attacks on the former vice president.

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An examination by BuzzFeed News found that Instagram prevented related hashtags from populating for #Trump, which had been used on 14.6 million posts; #Trump2020, which had 2.5 million posts; and #MAGA, which had 5.6 million posts. Meanwhile, the hashtag #JoeBiden, which has been used on 390,000 posts, appeared alongside negative hashtags including #creepyjoebiden and #neverbiden, as well as seemingly pro-Biden content like #joebidenforpresident.

It's not a bug but a feature

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| RIP Cain Train #pizzagate
« Reply #61519 on: August 07, 2020, 06:32:00 PM »
Bunch of Hong Kong officials got sanctioned today too.

Trump administration sure seems to be stirring the pot right before an election.

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« Reply #61520 on: August 07, 2020, 07:13:01 PM »
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« Reply #61525 on: August 07, 2020, 09:06:40 PM »
https://twitter.com/graemem/status/1291878455148077056

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We're just an infrastructure week or two away from Jared Kushner heading up the Postal Service Task Force.
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« Reply #61526 on: August 07, 2020, 09:26:20 PM »
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The sequels to this comic are... interesting.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| RIP Cain Train #pizzagate
« Reply #61529 on: August 08, 2020, 09:34:26 AM »
https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1292089054729834497

Donald Trump August 6th: "You may not see me for a while, I have some very rich enemies"

Donald Trump on August 7th
- Gives a televised speech at his golf club
- Makes more rich enemies

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| RIP Cain Train #pizzagate
« Reply #61530 on: August 08, 2020, 09:55:51 AM »
adelson: trump can we talk relief bill? *wink*

trump: derpy derp derpestein

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« Reply #61531 on: August 08, 2020, 12:20:32 PM »


Fucking Act Blue selling my info to these two bit campaigns.

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« Reply #61532 on: August 08, 2020, 12:27:06 PM »
People I know who vote Dem are extremely frustrated Dems won't compromise. I don't think they understand how inadequate the Republican proposals are.

yeah anyone who's out of work right now knows $200 or $400 extra isn't going to cut it. everyone i worked with had two jobs, and usually a side hustle and some extra support. wages are so low in this damn country and essentials are so high that even before covid it was getting damn near impossible to survive, and having unemployment (if you can get it) give you less than 100% of your wage means that you just aren't earning enough to live.
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« Reply #61533 on: August 08, 2020, 12:27:57 PM »
They’re only missing one pivotal endorsement, Tripon.
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« Reply #61534 on: August 08, 2020, 12:35:06 PM »
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/freeland-aluminum-imports-tariffs-trump-1.5677757

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Canada to impose $3.6B in tariffs in response to Trump's move against Canadian aluminum

Potential targets include numerous products made in swing states key to U.S. president's re-election

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« Reply #61535 on: August 08, 2020, 12:45:41 PM »
People I know who vote Dem are extremely frustrated Dems won't compromise. I don't think they understand how inadequate the Republican proposals are.

yeah anyone who's out of work right now knows $200 or $400 extra isn't going to cut it. everyone i worked with had two jobs, and usually a side hustle and some extra support. wages are so low in this damn country and essentials are so high that even before covid it was getting damn near impossible to survive, and having unemployment (if you can get it) give you less than 100% of your wage means that you just aren't earning enough to live.

But remember, you're also not spending as much on luxury travels like the bus/train/uberpool to get to work either. Or fancy work lunches at that 99 cent menu at mcds.

It evens out.

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« Reply #61536 on: August 08, 2020, 01:50:46 PM »
This great nation has been brought low. When once we were subjected to Russian interference in our elections, now we're subjected to Ukrainian Nazi election interference. That's why we need to vote for Joe Biden in 3 months and patiently wait another ~2 for him to take office. Man his dad could drive.

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« Reply #61537 on: August 08, 2020, 01:57:18 PM »
https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1292089054729834497

Donald Trump August 6th: "You may not see me for a while, I have some very rich enemies"

Donald Trump on August 7th
- Gives a televised speech at his golf club
- Makes more rich enemies

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« Reply #61538 on: August 08, 2020, 03:56:33 PM »
Trump's going to sign an executive order deferring payroll taxes? What an idiot. Clown country.

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« Reply #61540 on: August 08, 2020, 04:37:36 PM »
I'm randomly watching his press conference right now, and unfortunately, I gotta say that he's getting free points with that voterID thing. I get the arguments we can find therehttps://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet but  As a filthy french canadian, i'm just  :doge at the fact that you can vote without, seemingly, no form of government id?

He's doing to exploit the SHIT out of that if he loses in November.

 :goty2 There are so many puzzling decisions with the left in America, I still can't get over the fact that Biden is the one sent out against him...

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« Reply #61541 on: August 08, 2020, 04:50:08 PM »
The USA always seemed weird to me too, considering you're mandated to have official ID... for anything, voting included, here. It's not (always) free either, in some cases (including making a new one in case of theft) you need to buy a tax stamp.

The most bizarre thing though is probably that elections in the US don't necessarily happen on an off day (correct me if I'm wrong). All ballots in France happen on Sundays. Lately it's been less and less true that Sundays are universal off days for workers but it's still by far the quietest part of the week. You'd think that at least the US Presidential Election would be a holiday to allow every voter maximum flexibility to partake, instead of forcing rush hour to stations.
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« Reply #61542 on: August 08, 2020, 04:51:20 PM »
You need an ID to register to vote. One ballot is sent out per registered voter.

I think Shuri means a federal issued ID.
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« Reply #61544 on: August 08, 2020, 05:19:48 PM »
Maybe Trump is right.

The last time Americans voted they fucked up.

They should no longer be allowed to vote
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« Reply #61545 on: August 08, 2020, 05:26:31 PM »
I think there's an argument that a national standard ID requirement could help citizens not be disenfranchised, provided access to it is made simple (or automatic) and very affordable. And while fraud is not an huge issue, a more secure system is always good.

Obviously that's not what Trump and Republicans have in mind when they bring up this issue.
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« Reply #61546 on: August 08, 2020, 05:37:19 PM »
It's important context that the US had mass voter suppression in living memory. Southern states didn't explicitly ban black citizens from voting but set up a series of "unbiased" roadblocks (poll taxes, literacy tests) that were clearly designed to exclude them and were brutally effective.

Also that the landmark federal law which broke this system was repealed by the Supreme Court because of the strict textualist reasoning that "things have changed, it'll be fine."

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« Reply #61547 on: August 08, 2020, 05:50:55 PM »
The system is also set up in such a way in that it prioritizes the will of certain voices while ignoring others.

Historically this would be something such as people held in slavery counting as a portion of a person for proportional representation purposes, but certainly not as voters (or even human beings).

In the present day you have the phenomenon where prison populations count as people for proportional representation purposes, but people in prison generally do not enjoy the right to vote.

If you see a similarity between these 2 dynamics it's just some weird coincidence. :science

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« Reply #61548 on: August 08, 2020, 06:05:13 PM »
The USA always seemed weird to me too, considering you're mandated to have official ID... for anything, voting included, here. It's not (always) free either, in some cases (including making a new one in case of theft) you need to buy a tax stamp.

The most bizarre thing though is probably that elections in the US don't necessarily happen on an off day (correct me if I'm wrong). All ballots in France happen on Sundays. Lately it's been less and less true that Sundays are universal off days for workers but it's still by far the quietest part of the week. You'd think that at least the US Presidential Election would be a holiday to allow every voter maximum flexibility to partake, instead of forcing rush hour to stations.

I think it's useful to start from the beginning. Take a look at how the founding fathers copy pasted some liberal ideas to justify their revolution against Britain and the general trajectory of abolition. If you have time, skimming something like Federalist 10 will give you an idea of some of the anti-democratic business tyrant philosophy at play here. After that you can find good summaries of the general struggle for universal suffrage in the country anywhere, particularly paying attention to Reconstruction, Jim Crow and the civil rights movement. After that it gets a little more difficult since we technically made de jure racism illegal but there's plenty of useful stuff on voter suppression on left liberal thinkpiece sites.

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« Reply #61549 on: August 08, 2020, 06:17:54 PM »
Would a federal national ID actually do anything for presidential elections since they are ran by states, and states don't have to acknowledge the IDs if they don't want to (see sanctuary cities)?

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« Reply #61550 on: August 08, 2020, 06:19:20 PM »
In the present day you have the phenomenon where prison populations count as people for proportional representation purposes, but people in prison generally do not enjoy the right to vote.

The current administration has been fighting to not count undocumented immigrants, but as you said they're fine counting prisoners who similarly can't vote.

All it takes is a quick glance at which states have high concentrations of each of those populations to figure out why.

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« Reply #61551 on: August 08, 2020, 06:24:06 PM »
Would a federal national ID actually do anything for presidential elections since they are ran by states, and states don't have to acknowledge the IDs if they don't want to (see sanctuary cities)?

Well obviously it was a thought experiment from a foreign point of view that, for the sake of the argument, supposes the USA is not a basket case.

But to repeat myself, if would probably be simpler and more impactful to make the customary Presidential election Tuesday an holiday.
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« Reply #61553 on: August 08, 2020, 06:38:25 PM »
Would a federal national ID actually do anything for presidential elections since they are ran by states, and states don't have to acknowledge the IDs if they don't want to (see sanctuary cities)?

Well obviously it was a thought experiment from a foreign point of view that, for the sake of the argument, supposes the USA is not a basket case.

But to repeat myself, if would probably be simpler and more impactful to make the customary Presidential election Tuesday an holiday.

Is a passport good enough for voter registration? or do you have to go through the get-id-to-get-id thing to get a state ID

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« Reply #61554 on: August 08, 2020, 06:39:48 PM »
Sidenote: The last time the VRA was up for renewal was in 2006 when the GOP held the trifecta. It passed the House 390-33 and the Senate 98-0.

Last year the Voting Rights Advancement Act passed the House 228-187 with one Republican vote.

Among other things, I think that's a good example of how important the status quo is in US politics.

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« Reply #61555 on: August 08, 2020, 06:44:41 PM »
The UI benefits one isn't even an executive order, it's a memorandum.

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« Reply #61556 on: August 08, 2020, 06:56:15 PM »
you're a memorandumk

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« Reply #61557 on: August 08, 2020, 06:56:35 PM »
:bolo

Speaking of Fed 10 I saw this when googling it again and it's :delicious

https://thefederalist.com/2019/04/09/no-10-best-federalist-paper-thats-left-hates-much/

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Think of it in this way: we can imagine the elected government of a republic of Manhattan Island with today’s population outlawing the ownership of automobiles by private citizens and rescinding the tax-exempt status of churches.

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« Reply #61558 on: August 08, 2020, 07:02:07 PM »
Would a federal national ID actually do anything for presidential elections since they are ran by states, and states don't have to acknowledge the IDs if they don't want to (see sanctuary cities)?

Well obviously it was a thought experiment from a foreign point of view that, for the sake of the argument, supposes the USA is not a basket case.

But to repeat myself, if would probably be simpler and more impactful to make the customary Presidential election Tuesday an holiday.

Is a passport good enough for voter registration? or do you have to go through the get-id-to-get-id thing to get a state ID

In France ?

Passports are of equal "value" in justifying your identity as the National ID Card. Those are the two documents accepted as such. I think in some lower stakes situations (not voting though) you may use a driver's licence (Managed by the "Secure ID titles agency") or your Healthcare card (mandatory, universal, and free) since those now have an ID photo (that must follow official guidelines).

Voter registration is mandatory. You're automatically added if you turn 18 or after being naturalized.

If you change residence you need to ask to the town hall to re-assign you at your new address.
To justify registration at your new address you can use : An ID card or a passport OR a tax return, pay slip, ownership title OR a recent utility bill.

Town halls manage the voter rolls but the record is consolidated at the national level (Apparently by the INSEE, the national agency for statistics. In charge of the census too if I'm not mistaken).

When voting, you must present either an ID card or a passport alongside an electoral card (free and automatically mailed) which is stamped after casting the ballot. I'm not even sure the electoral card is mandatory, I was able to do without last time.

All paper ballots. Ballots are pre-printed for all options and at disposal at the station. No write-ins allowed (any added mark on a pre-printed ballot is nullified and discarded).
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« Reply #61559 on: August 08, 2020, 07:29:27 PM »
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/08/900516854/in-executive-actions-trump-extends-unemployment-benefits
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"The Treasury Secretary is authorized to delay the deadline for any action required under tax law up to one year," said Rudalevige, in case of a federally declared disaster, and all states are currently operating under one due to the pandemic. "So payroll tax payments could under this provision be delayed. But, not forgiven — those taxes are still owed."
So the tax thing they can just do, at least delay until after the election because of the Pandemic. That's probably why Mnuchin was so sure they could provide relief even if Democrats wouldn't budge.

The unemployment benefits could be legally challenged. It would take some serious guts to block $300 a month for families in need though.
Not sure about Trump's demand for states to throw in another $100 though, that could easily be blocked by both Democrats or Republicans.

Same with the student loans, again a subject that is hard for the Democrats to challenge.
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