US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

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weren't the nj dems blaming pubs for blocking them from raising min wage to $15  then they got control and forgot all about it 

[Himu]

I know we aren't fans of Nintex tier fan fiction here but it's my dream for AOC and like minded politicians with actual conviction to start a new party and dust the Republicans and Democrats. But it won't happen.

As per Politico:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-political-science-parties-gop-republican-democratic-213937

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1293354767419310080
https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1293356948432334848
https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1293523320894349312
https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1293591161483988993
https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1293654047782850561
https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1293699400972357639
https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1293711471977824256

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the toaster bath things was just a joke  see you soon, stost!

[Stoney Mason]

whoever's running the democratic party doesn't seem to give two fucks about democracy or the voting process despite how much it would benefit them, so i'm having a real hard time giving a shit myself

So what is your suggestion for fixing this since voting is a state level process and in the south where voting is disenfranchised the most, republicans control state houses which govern this and democrats only control the house on the federal level?

Protest more? Talk about it constantly more?

Again, the democrats had a super majority in 2009.

They could have repealed the 2006 post office defunding law.

They did not.

They could have made PR and DC states.

They did not.

They could have funded the IRS to go after tax frauds like Trump, crippling the GOP funding base.

They did not.

They like being the out of power opposition party. More money to be made.

And there would still be the exact same disenfranchisement with one racist party in the south doing what they have always done. Also your answer to the question I asked about a problem is to go back in time. Because you don't actually care about the issue. Which is fine.  The last part is so dumb I won't even address it.

Who gives a shit about the south if the Ds can guarantee a permanent majority with DC and PR? Let them eat their peaches.

Lets not pretend this doesnt happen every election.

IE, NJ dems: Elect us and we will immediately pass a millionaires tax and legalize pot!

*dems get elected*

"oh did we say that? we don't remember saying that. What do you mean we ran ads about that? Woops our bad"

Puerto Rico has a population of 3 million. Which basically makes it Utah. And DC has a population under a million. Which basically makes it rhode island. That would help on Senate or House issues but adding another Utah & Rhode Island to the electoral college doesn't mean very much in the super scope of things.  You also don't like to address that republicans actively and aggressively do to suppress voting where ever they control state legislatures which is a worse thing by far than not completing a tasklist of promised things to do that no politicans ever completely fulfill. And it all isn't in the deep bad South although they do the worst and dirtiest shit there. It's the border states also like Arizona or Florida which is a swing state. Like I said, you don't care about the issue. It's all oh everybody does dirty shit so it doesn't matter instead of saying one party in this country actively and aggressively disenfranchises voters especially if they are black. And that's cool. Because that's America.

[Himu]

"It's all oh everybody does dirty shit to you instead of saying one party in this country actively and aggressively disenfranchises voters especially if they are black. "

Black turnout in 2016 dropped from 66% in 2012 to 59%. Hillary Clinton didn't treat BLM as legitimate and while activists begged for acknowledgement she refused to recognize them.

After 50 years of catering the black vote, what is their fruit?

Both disenfranchise black people.

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[Himu]

Speaking of disenfranchisement and both parties, Code Switch had a great podcast and article on this specific issue.

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/13/890416712/kamala-joe-and-the-fissures-in-the-base

[Positive Touch]

whoever's running the democratic party doesn't seem to give two fucks about democracy or the voting process despite how much it would benefit them, so i'm having a real hard time giving a shit myself

umpteenth time you've posted something along these lines and I genuinely want to know, are you aware that the whole left wing media apparatus is laser focused on the post office right now? It's a major pillar of the election propaganda.

i am aware, but i said the democratic party, not the media

whoever's running the democratic party doesn't seem to give two fucks about democracy or the voting process despite how much it would benefit them, so i'm having a real hard time giving a shit myself

So what is your suggestion for fixing this since voting is a state level process and in the south where voting is disenfranchised the most, republicans control state houses which govern this and democrats only control the house on the federal level?

Protest more? Talk about it constantly more?

well those two options would certainly help if they had funding and organization from party leaders, yes. there are also loads of proposals from activists out there make voting easier, combat gerrymandering, etc etc that dems frequently ignore. and i completely reject the idea that they shouldn't be talking about this stuff unless it's something with a clear path to victory. talking about it and organizing around it at all times keeps people engaged, keeps ideas flowing, whatever. but instead, as with so many other topics in the party, the leaders chose to ignore it.

[Stoney Mason]

I'll respond once here because I happened to see your post after I logged out but I have you on block Cindi so most of the time I don't see your posts so I couldn't quote it back to directly respond to. I won't apologize for it. I have issues with you and don't really want to see most of what you post. Not to be rude but for me you did something after the election, that I'll never unblock you for. Not that it matters or that you should care but I'll respond to this for one second since I saw it and made a few posts in this particular thread which I normally don't and it would be a bit rude to ignore in this case.

Disenfranchisement are actual procedural impediments to having people vote. They can be old school like poll taxes. Adding new laws to make it harder to vote. Reducing voting times and hours or locations, etc.

If a group of people aren't excited to vote for somebody that is an issue of engagement or excitement, or not addressing issues relevant to them. That is not disenfranchisement in the way the word is generally used. Kanye West isn't disenfranchising anybody for example. Nobody just cares about what that dumbass has to say. Those are two separate things. The fact that Hillary didn't draw more blacks to the polls isn't because she disenfranchised them. That is a different issue although its fine to discuss that specific issue. And i would argue Joe Biden would have drawn no more himself in 2016 if he had run as I feel people are more motivated to vote now for reasons outside of the candidate this go around but that's just a personal opinion with no factual backing.

With that said, I'm out.

[james]

If Black people wanted things to get better maybe they should have voted for Bernie

 

[Positive Touch]

dude pours bleach in his cheerios you can only expect so much

[Mandark]

This year though, who knows. I think ~40% turnout is possible thanks to the ruling party having a vested interest in suppressing the vote.

Absolutely not.

[Nintex]

New Michael Cohen book says Trump did Golden Showers in Vegas.

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/08/13/michael-cohen-trump-golden-showers.html

Cool election we're having.

That's all Cohen has? 

[Kara]

I hope you're right, Mandark!

[benjipwns]

for the record, I don't think "toaster baths" actually work, saw this on Mythbusters or something

[Mandark]

the 2018 turnout was 46% if you use voting age population as a denominator, 50% if you use voting eligible population

[Kara]

Now do the COVID-19 numbers for 2018.

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[Mandark]

Now do the COVID-19 numbers for 2018.

Oh?

[james]

Voter turnout numbers are garbage.

I worked on a report once that looked at a bunch of small cities in nj. Small being like 417 people. Their voter rolls had like 900 people. Not fraud, it's just the dead people don't get removed.

So turnout was 110 over 900 instead of over 417

[benjipwns]

Would an aborted census affect voter turnout calculation? Not sure where these numbers normally come from on non-census years.

Voter registrations.

[Himu]

https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1291865959368724480

Might have to follow her Twitter. Sell me on the ticket, Kamala.  Fight for my vote despite Trump.

[Mandark]

why would voter registration be used to calculate VAP

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https://twitter.com/thebr0keb0i/status/1291842303087144960





 

[benjipwns]

her best tweet?

https://twitter.com/kamalaharris/status/1090361495119187969

[benjipwns]

why would voter registration be used to calculate VAP

VAP? I thought you wanted Voters Above Replacement Persons stats

[james]

:jussie

[Tripon]

her best tweet?

https://twitter.com/kamalaharris/status/1090361495119187969

I was hoping to find a tweet of Kamala talking about she had the Masons cracking heads.

https://twitter.com/0Cloudbuster2/status/1291889014438367232

[Mandark]

https://twitter.com/aedwardslevy/status/1293971060464001025

[Nintex]

With regards to turn-out looking at r/unemployment it's tough out there and those people are done with politicians in general.
So the question is, will they even vote or are they able to vote?

The can't donate money to political campaigns and the US media doesn't really focus on these unemployment stories or the lower classes in general.
Trump shored up his voter base with the EO's, those that still have jobs and benefit from tax cuts but even the Democrats had very little to offer these people in their proposals.

Joe Biden and the Democrats are far removed from the people in need in online Q&A's organized by organizations that are generally well off (Silicon Valley, media conglomerates in New York etc.).
The people at the bottom feel abandoned by both parties, Congress and the Senate but could well be the voters Joe needs to win in November.
Of course it's hard to reach out to these people so it's much easier to simply ignore them again which seems to be happening.

[benjipwns]

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/08/is_kamala_harris_eligible_to_be_joe_bidens_vp.html

But not so fast.  Harris is constitutionally ineligible to be VPOTUS (12th Amendment) or POTUS (Article 2).  She is not — nor can she ever be — a natural born citizen, the highest standard of citizenship mandated by the Constitution for the president and commander-in-chief.  The Founding Fathers wanted a higher standard of citizenship for the POTUS because they did not want any competing allegiances with foreign governments.

Harris was born in Oakland, California on October 20, 1964, to an Indian citizen mother and a Jamaican citizen father.  Thus, Harris is a native-born American citizen, or a citizen pursuant to what I refer to as the anchor baby provision of the 14th Amendment.

https://www.newsweek.com/some-questions-kamala-harris-about-eligibility-opinion-1524483

So before we so cavalierly accept Senator Harris' eligibility for the office of vice president, we should ask her a few questions about the status of her parents at the time of her birth.

[Mandark]

the guy who wrote the newsweek article ran for california ag in 2010 (which harris won) but didn't make it out of the primary

[Tripon]

lol, that's the first time I heard of native born citizens.

[benjipwns]

Those were immigrants across the land bridge.

[Kara]

the guy who wrote the newsweek article ran for california ag in 2010 (which harris won) but didn't make it out of the primary

He works at the Claremont Institute which is not located in Claremont but in fact can be found in Upland. Doesn't seem like a guy who should get into geographic nitty gritty tbh.

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why would voter registration be used to calculate VAP

VAP? I thought you wanted Voters Above Replacement Persons stats

he clearly meant WAP

[Himu]

https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1294062257924706305

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  not voting for that kind of tyranny 

[team filler]

she's the doja cat of politic 

[benjipwns]

https://nypost.com/2020/08/13/trump-plans-to-deliver-rnc-speech-on-white-house-lawn/

President Trump on Thursday confirmed to the The Post he intends to give his Republican National Convention speech from the White House lawn, defying critics who said the location was inappropriate.

During an exclusive Oval Office interview, the president said he would visit the battlefield at Gettysburg at a “later date” and described his vision of a socially-distanced speech in front of supporters at the executive mansion in Washington, DC later this month.

“I’ll probably be giving my speech at the White House because it is a great place. It’s a place that makes me feel good, it makes the country feel good,” Trump told the Post, saying it would also be easiest for law enforcement and the Secret Service.

“We’d do it possibly outside on one of the lawns, we have various lawns, so we could have it outside in terms of the China virus,” he continued, referring to social distancing guidelines amid the coronavirus pandemic.

“We could have quite a group of people. It’s very big, a very big lawn. We could have a big group of people,” he said when asked if he’d formally accept the Republican nomination for president with a crowd of supporters.

[Himu]

Buying a sub to SFGate and other California publications to research Kamala's record as DA and AG for myself without bias or filter.

[benjipwns]

In the video, Greene accused the Obama administration of using MS-13 gang members to assassinate Rich, claiming the gang was “kind of the henchmen of the Obama administration.” She stated:

MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE: What else did he do? OK, we got the Iran deal. We got the launch of ISIS and we have the open borders. Oh, open borders. MS-13, everyone. Under Obama came MS-13. There's a lot to that. You have to understand, there's -- they have very good -- they had very good relationships with MS-13. MS-13 was basically like, they were the kind of the henchmen of the Obama administration. They did a lot of the dirty work. Seth Rich. Seth Rich was murdered by two MS-13 gang members. That's what I mean by dirty work, OK? So, yes. So we had open borders which launched big time MS-13 in our country during the Obama presidency. So those are just, to me, some of the highlights that happened under the Obama presidency.

[Mandark]

all us political hobbyist internet posters in 2019/2020: obsessively parsing the records of the dem presidential candidates, either to rank them or to find ammunition in support of our celebrity crush preferred choice


us in 2021/2022: tearfully begging joe manchin to please vote for nonrefundable tax credits for renewable energy investments

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nintex posting 

[Joe Molotov]

The Founding Fathers wanted a higher standard of citizenship for the POTUS because they did not want any competing allegiances with foreign governments.

But yet they were all born British citizens, how curious. 

[team filler]

I genuinely like Kamala and think the backlash against her has been exaggerated well beyond what's reasonable. I say this as a socialist and a mentally ill forums poster.

If you think in terms of “term”s and not decades of giant monoliths taking turns to gently and slowly slap fight as the status quo of oppression creeps up & that need be officially addressed before we walk the path of decades of reparation on a myriad of issues...yeah I guess I can see why you’d not be furious at mediocrity and the increasing delegitimization (yet increasing popularity) of progressive individuals.

I’ll probably make the effort to physically vote for them in person in a global pandemic, but I’m furious at absolutely everything they represent.

Biden is President not because of his charisma. Not because of his policy. But because the machine (in politics and media) willed this puppet into position... nobody is actually voting Biden which is an extreme flaw in our system. Kamala similarly means absolutely nothing.

Everything reeks of the gamification and enforced mediocrity.

Pushing out Kamala’s bullshit is but another way to air this sentiment out

[Cauliflower Of Love]

trump would probably be ok with doing his speech on lincoln's grave.

[benjipwns]

The United States Postal Service warned Pennsylvania that mail ballots may not be delivered on time to be counted because the state’s deadlines are too tight for its “delivery standards,” casting fresh doubt on Pennsylvania’s ability to conduct much of the 2020 election by mail.

The warning came in a July 29 letter from Thomas J. Marshall, general counsel and executive vice president for the Postal Service, to Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar, whose department oversees elections. That letter was made public for the first time late Thursday in a filing the Pennsylvania Department of State submitted to the state Supreme Court, in which it asked the court to order that mail ballots be counted as long as they are received up to three days after the Nov. 3 election.

[Mandark]

Political legs and media inform the public on the bias of an insular, multi-generation establishment that controls the narrative.

Politicians buy out seats to boo only their Progressive opponent at debates and cheer on Buttiloser. CNN et al cover them with 80% negativity w/ a publishing elite that curates a board that will forever hold their perspective as their companies soar in reach and power.

What’s a venomous bite from Big Donor Kamala to racist loser Biden suddenly becomes a friendly debate bant with no more critical thought challenged.

BUT DEAR GOD a communist woman with a patreon podcast share that Kampala Harris tried to get convictions on 1900+ marijuana charges for her senatorial/presidential aspirations while laughing about how she used to smoke weed.

 

wut

[benjipwns]

trump would probably be ok with doing his speech on lincoln's grave.

it is kinda badass looking:

[CatsCatsCats]

I’m fairly sold on Kamala after listening to today’s democracy now

https://www.democracynow.org/

Y’all should check it out, if it worked on me, might work on you. Die, Biden February

[benjipwns]

I genuinely like Kamala and think the backlash against her has been exaggerated well beyond what's reasonable. I say this as a socialist and a mentally ill forums poster.

https://gen.medium.com/the-great-gen-x-vs-boomer-debate-comes-for-kamala-cef57a813128

She’s also a baby boomer’s idea of a young person — in a country where 80% of U.S. senators are over the age of 55, and not a single one is under 40, Harris (55 herself) is practically aglow with youthful vitality. You’d barely know that Harris is a boomer. And don’t expect her to own it.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I’m fairly sold on Kamala after listening to today’s democracy now

https://www.democracynow.org/

Y’all should check it out, if it worked on me, might work on you. Die, Biden February

Which one, there's like 88 links of her.

[Kara]

However you feel about her record, it's extremely funny that someone who polled behind Andrew Yang in her home state is running for vice president with someone she accused of being a segregationist fellow traveler.

What a world.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1144427976609734658

Still up.

[close]

[Himu]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/12/kamala-harris-vp-progressives-react-394375

UGH

[benjipwns]

can't buy the shirt anymore though: https://store.kamalaharris.org/that-little-girl-was-me-unisex-black/

[Joe Molotov]

Is that little girl not her anymore?

[CatsCatsCats]

I’m fairly sold on Kamala after listening to today’s democracy now

https://www.democracynow.org/

Y’all should check it out, if it worked on me, might work on you. Die, Biden February

Which one, there's like 88 links of her.

Listen to the whole show





Or this

https://www.democracynow.org/2020/8/13/kamala_harris_prosecutorial_record_2020_election

[Lonewulfeus]

I’m fairly sold on Kamala after listening to today’s democracy now

https://www.democracynow.org/

Y’all should check it out, if it worked on me, might work on you. Die, Biden February

Which one, there's like 88 links of her.

88 huh?