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« Reply #120 on: September 12, 2019, 11:04:28 PM »
Only interested because MGSV was the only good game I can think of carrying the modern open world monicker. But I suspect this will have a structure similar to all the other overrated games like Rockstar things, Botw, etc. in the open world dumpster fire.
The open world is the worst part of MGSV. Tedious travel and nothingness in between the actual mission areas. One of the worst open worlds.

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« Reply #121 on: September 13, 2019, 08:47:09 AM »
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You can actually choose where on Sam’s body to put all this stuff. You can load it all up onto his back like a pack mule, but you can also put items in pouches hanging off the backpack, strap them to his arms and legs, or have him hand-carry certain pieces. This will affect his speed, yes, but also his balance. Sam’s center of gravity will be shown in a yellow circle underneath him as you shift things around. As you run through the world, if you make hard left or right turns, he’ll go off-kilter if he’s overburdened, and you’ll need to press the L2 and R2 buttons to shift his weight back so he stays upright.
Goddammit, Kojima.....  I love you! :heartbeat  I can easily see people being turned off by this, but I think it's fucking awesome.  Same feeling I got when the first 3D games would actually show your armor change.

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« Reply #122 on: September 13, 2019, 09:10:56 AM »
this game is just a test to see how much bullshit gamers will put up with :lol

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« Reply #123 on: September 13, 2019, 09:27:09 AM »
I'm more concerned with Soyny and what they're going to allow Kojima to do/not do. 

Soyny:  "Yeah... we can let Sam get by peeing on things, but not sure we can have that topless lady...."

Kojima:  "There's a reason for that: There's a Strand linked to her clothes and you need to link them in order to connect her past and her future life, if it isn't in, there will be a corruption in the flow of Strands and Beached Things and the game cannot be completed and the story inconsistent...."

Soyny: ".......ok...well, I suppose if...."

Kojima: 
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Soyny: ".......very well."

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« Reply #124 on: September 13, 2019, 09:31:09 AM »
I'm more concerned with Soyny and what they're going to allow Kojima to do/not do.

Naked dudes and babies are OK. 

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« Reply #125 on: September 13, 2019, 09:36:28 AM »
but will there be reedus dong? :thinking

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« Reply #126 on: September 13, 2019, 09:40:20 AM »
but will there be reedus dong? :thinking
All them sick fucks have already been constructing multiple penis mods for when this hits PC. 

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Re: Holy Shit this Death Stranding trailer is beautiful nonsense
« Reply #128 on: September 13, 2019, 09:43:57 AM »
X option is for ResetEra
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« Reply #129 on: September 13, 2019, 10:14:27 AM »
pissing on geoff keighley :idont

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« Reply #130 on: September 13, 2019, 10:54:05 AM »
Only interested because MGSV was the only good game I can think of carrying the modern open world monicker. But I suspect this will have a structure similar to all the other overrated games like Rockstar things, Botw, etc. in the open world dumpster fire.
The open world is the worst part of MGSV. Tedious travel and nothingness in between the actual mission areas. One of the worst open worlds.

No, the open world made it possible to approach your infiltration however you wanted to. It‘s not meant to be open world in the sense that you talk to dumb ass NPCs who tell you about their struggles and make you solve sidequests for them.

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« Reply #131 on: September 13, 2019, 10:57:14 AM »
Only interested because MGSV was the only good game I can think of carrying the modern open world monicker. But I suspect this will have a structure similar to all the other overrated games like Rockstar things, Botw, etc. in the open world dumpster fire.
The open world is the worst part of MGSV. Tedious travel and nothingness in between the actual mission areas. One of the worst open worlds.

No, the open world made it possible to approach your infiltration however you wanted to. It‘s not meant to be open world in the sense that you talk to dumb ass NPCs who tell you about their struggles and make you solve sidequests for them.

Exactly. MGSV succeeded because the point wasn't exploring and it wasn't necessary to shit up the map with lame ass fetchquests. I don't think this game will be mission based like MGSV though.

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« Reply #132 on: September 13, 2019, 11:35:41 AM »
X option is for ResetEra
I sit as well and there's nothing fucking wrong with it whatsoever. :hmph

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« Reply #133 on: September 13, 2019, 11:55:04 AM »
X option is for ResetEra
I sit as well and there's nothing fucking wrong with it whatsoever. :hmph

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« Reply #134 on: September 13, 2019, 12:08:47 PM »
:hmph

Svejk

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« Reply #135 on: September 13, 2019, 12:33:15 PM »
It can be a prostrate thing too...  but why would I know that.   :goty2

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Re: Holy Shit this Death Stranding trailer is beautiful nonsense
« Reply #136 on: September 13, 2019, 01:12:09 PM »
The toilet thing is because BTs are vulnerable to bodily fluids. So you can craft grenades out of your blood, piss and shit.

I've not even joking.

Svejk

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« Reply #137 on: September 13, 2019, 01:27:35 PM »
The toilet thing is because BTs are vulnerable to bodily fluids. So you can craft grenades out of your blood, piss and shit.

I've not even joking.
I saw about the blood, but piss and shit too?

GOTY confirmed

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« Reply #138 on: September 13, 2019, 01:34:02 PM »
The toilet thing is because BTs are vulnerable to bodily fluids. So you can craft grenades out of your blood, piss and shit.

I've not even joking.

Can you stand and shit?

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« Reply #139 on: September 13, 2019, 01:47:53 PM »
I only sit on toilets backwards.

kingv

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« Reply #140 on: September 13, 2019, 01:55:26 PM »
The game needs to allow for upper decking the toilet as well. Or sitting really far forward so you leave long poop streaks. My immersion demands it.

I feel like there are non-zero odds that this game ends up impressively bad... but I will be there day 1.

I can see it being technically competent and impressive, and completely functional, but with weird navel-gazing gameplay and a non-sensical story.

What if we find out that Konami was actually keeping him from making complete nonsense?

Himu

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« Reply #141 on: September 13, 2019, 02:45:48 PM »
This game looks crazy. What drugs is Kojima even taking that are legal in Japan?
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« Reply #142 on: September 13, 2019, 02:49:27 PM »
I only sit on toilets backwards.

My boi can ride :lawd
Only interested because MGSV was the only good game I can think of carrying the modern open world monicker. But I suspect this will have a structure similar to all the other overrated games like Rockstar things, Botw, etc. in the open world dumpster fire.
The open world is the worst part of MGSV. Tedious travel and nothingness in between the actual mission areas. One of the worst open worlds.

No, the open world made it possible to approach your infiltration however you wanted to. It‘s not meant to be open world in the sense that you talk to dumb ass NPCs who tell you about their struggles and make you solve sidequests for them.

Exactly. MGSV succeeded because the point wasn't exploring and it wasn't necessary to shit up the map with lame ass fetchquests. I don't think this game will be mission based like MGSV though.

Are we sure it's not? I watched the gameplay demo, and even though it was japanese it seemed like he was picking from an MGS5-like menu.

no idea, I only skipped through the footage. I think they announced a translated stream.

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« Reply #143 on: September 13, 2019, 02:53:42 PM »
This game looks crazy. What drugs is Kojima even taking that are legal in Japan?

why do you think he's taking so many trips to the US? ;) :pimp




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Himu

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« Reply #144 on: September 13, 2019, 03:05:41 PM »
This game looks crazy. What drugs is Kojima even taking that are legal in Japan?

why do you think he's taking so many trips to the US? ;) :pimp

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"What if we named the president Samantha *takes hit* America *exhales* Strand?"

Here's my theory.

It's highly illegal to have weed in Japan so when he comes to America he just binges the dankest shit all at once.
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« Reply #145 on: September 13, 2019, 03:21:07 PM »
This game looks crazy. What drugs is Kojima even taking that are legal in Japan?

why do you think he's taking so many trips to the US? ;) :pimp

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"What if we named the president Samantha *takes hit* America *exhales* Strand?"

is this real?  :doge

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« Reply #146 on: September 13, 2019, 04:04:31 PM »
I only sit on toilets backwards.

You reverse cowgirl the toilet?  :whew
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« Reply #147 on: September 13, 2019, 04:05:21 PM »
Dat's dat Def Stranding purp.

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« Reply #148 on: September 13, 2019, 04:18:45 PM »
Dat's dat Def Stranding purp.

Found Kojima's inspiration for this game.


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You can't find the music video with the real lyrics on YT  ::)
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« Reply #149 on: September 13, 2019, 04:22:25 PM »
Kojima come off the plane like...


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« Reply #150 on: September 14, 2019, 04:52:50 AM »
Norman Simulator 2019 :rejoice


Don Rumata

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« Reply #151 on: September 14, 2019, 05:45:27 AM »
Watched the 40 mins.
I actually find the walking sim aspects interesting, balancing the weight especially, but the boss fight looked pretty pedestrian, so the combat will probably be a bore.

Svejk

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« Reply #152 on: September 16, 2019, 03:37:16 PM »
Looks like MGS combat to me, so I'm good...


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« Reply #153 on: September 16, 2019, 03:58:39 PM »
Watched the 40 mins.
I actually find the walking sim aspects interesting, balancing the weight especially, but the boss fight looked pretty pedestrian, so the combat will probably be a bore.

Walking simulation as a term was meant for trash like Layers of Fear in which you can't interact with anything and the story just happens while you press forward. Even if this didn't have enemies, it would still look like a real simulation game, since you have to calculate shit and interact with or pay attention to the environment. However, I don't know the map looks like it would have interesting enough challenges to overcome.

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« Reply #154 on: September 16, 2019, 07:05:34 PM »
Does it have the same development tree ideas as MGSV? I'd be into that sans the timer based Konami fuckery.
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« Reply #155 on: September 17, 2019, 03:34:25 AM »
Watched the 40 mins.
I actually find the walking sim aspects interesting, balancing the weight especially, but the boss fight looked pretty pedestrian, so the combat will probably be a bore.

Walking simulation as a term was meant for trash like Layers of Fear in which you can't interact with anything and the story just happens while you press forward. Even if this didn't have enemies, it would still look like a real simulation game, since you have to calculate shit and interact with or pay attention to the environment. However, I don't know the map looks like it would have interesting enough challenges to overcome.
Yeah i meant "walking sim" in a more literal sense, in this instance, referring to balancing weight, managing gear, finding viable paths etc.
Though i'll say i don't have anything against traditional walking sims on principle, as long as they tell an interesting story and can manage a good pace (something Layers of Fear doesn't do).

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« Reply #156 on: September 17, 2019, 10:08:04 AM »
I love Kojima’s games and I’m a huge metal gear fan but I’m highly skeptical of a Kojima game without a filter. Once Fukushima left the MG series after Solid 3, Metal Gear series got far worse under Kojima without a filter. That said I love MGSV despite its flaws. I might have to check this out.
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« Reply #157 on: September 17, 2019, 10:07:04 PM »
Hrmmm...a death stranding 40 minute video. I just watched that trailer and that didn't make any sense. Guess I'll skim it.
Ok, he's stretching <skim> and he's walking <skim> still walking <skim> and still walking <skim> Oh!...oh wait, still walking...
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« Reply #158 on: September 18, 2019, 12:36:21 AM »
Hrmmm...a death stranding 40 minute video. I just watched that trailer and that didn't make any sense. Guess I'll skim it.
Ok, he's stretching <skim> and he's walking <skim> still walking <skim> and still walking <skim> Oh!...oh wait, still walking...

The whole thing is a troll against walking-sim haters.

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« Reply #159 on: September 18, 2019, 01:00:23 AM »
Codec conversation:

*Bleep bleep*
Strand: Norm, what do you think about walking simulators?
Norm: Walking... simulators?
Strand: there’s this new type of game where you just walk around and experience a story
Norm: Can love really bloom in a post apocalyptic America?
Strand: being bedridden, walking simulators are my new favorite kind of game. I can put in a walking simulator video game and it’s almost like I’m transported to another, believable reality, where I’m free to get up and move as I please.
Norm: I can see that
Strand: do you ever feel like you are in a walking simulator?
Norm: I don’t really have time for this conversation, I have places to... walk. *Huuurrrm*
*bleep bleep*

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« Reply #160 on: September 18, 2019, 04:32:27 AM »
This game looks crazy. What drugs is Kojima even taking that are legal in Japan?

The one that made him decide to ripoff the Postman instead of Escape from NY this time  :teehee

I endorse this take.
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« Reply #162 on: September 18, 2019, 01:14:22 PM »
Expanded:



So, no hand-holding.  GOOD. 
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« Reply #163 on: September 18, 2019, 01:26:58 PM »
I'm curious, but the 40min demo didn't look that puzzling to me.
It seems like you go from A to B to C, like towers in an open world game, trying to avoid the baddies in between, and with the occasional scripted moment.

If MGSV is any indication, the big set pieces (like the WWI battlefield) will probably be sandwiched at the tail end of the game, and very on rails/scripted.

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« Reply #164 on: September 18, 2019, 03:39:17 PM »
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So, no hand-holding.  GOOD. 

Kojima isn’t the type to handhold.
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« Reply #165 on: September 18, 2019, 03:50:45 PM »
pretty much. even in mgsv you just kinda get sent out in Afghanistan with "let the legend come back to life" and how you do the rest is up to you.

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« Reply #166 on: September 18, 2019, 03:55:24 PM »
Kojima likes his stories but there’s a misconception from people who misunderstand or don’t play his games that he cares little of gameplay, difficulty, or letting the player do their thing.
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« Reply #167 on: September 18, 2019, 03:57:06 PM »
now i want to play mgsv again




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« Reply #168 on: September 18, 2019, 04:07:59 PM »
Never played it on PS4. :obama
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« Reply #169 on: September 18, 2019, 04:14:12 PM »
Ya'll making me want to play it again too. lol   Even base PS4 ran at solid 60fps. 

My concern is if DS is aiming for 60fps on base PS4.  I'm highly skeptical, but things can happen..

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« Reply #170 on: September 18, 2019, 05:20:39 PM »
That's the best sort of game. Part of the appeal is finding the edge of the sandbox.
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« Reply #171 on: September 18, 2019, 05:37:28 PM »
Never played it on PS4. :obama

Playing it on PC with mods is the way God intended. No reflex mode and no loadouts. :aah

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« Reply #172 on: September 18, 2019, 05:52:56 PM »
MGSV on PC was  :lawd

It took a whole bunch of other open-world franchises about 3 to 4 years to match or exceed what Kojima had done with the game.
In fact, you could release it today as a new game. It hasn't aged much at all.
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« Reply #173 on: September 18, 2019, 08:12:21 PM »
How can anyone think MGSV is a good open world game. The open world is dull and tedious. There as boring space between the big mission areas. Game would have been better as just big levels ala Hitman. Or not have had the awful Peace walker influnce and been an open world MGS3.

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« Reply #174 on: September 18, 2019, 08:23:32 PM »
Because it's very experimental/do what you want/sandbox-y.
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« Reply #175 on: September 18, 2019, 08:28:43 PM »
So is Hitman. So was MGS3. So was Ground Zeros.

None of those have a boring ass open world as filler to get to that stuff.

It is not a good open world game.

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« Reply #176 on: September 18, 2019, 08:37:13 PM »
Unlike MGSV, in none of these games it feels like you can tackle your goal from 360° from literally anywhere you want, in any way you want. The "space inbetween" further adds atmosphere like in Shadow of the Colossus. And compared to other modern open world games it feels like real freedom because it isn't about exploring and working through icons and fetch quests on the map.
MGSV best open world game.

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« Reply #177 on: September 18, 2019, 08:37:50 PM »
Expanded:

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So, no hand-holding.  GOOD. 

Kojima isn’t the type to handhold.

When start up a Metal Gear Solid game, you get tons of codec conversations telling you how to do stuff.  It seems like this game may not even do something along those lines?
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« Reply #178 on: September 18, 2019, 08:39:34 PM »
Expanded:

(Image removed from quote.)

So, no hand-holding.  GOOD. 

Kojima isn’t the type to handhold.

When start up a Metal Gear Solid game, you get tons of codec conversations telling you how to do stuff.  It seems like this game may not even do something along those lines?

Most if not all that is optional.
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« Reply #179 on: September 18, 2019, 08:44:50 PM »
So is Hitman. So was MGS3. So was Ground Zeros.

None of those have a boring ass open world as filler to get to that stuff.

It is not a good open world game.

You're talking about the world. No one cares about that. It's just a standard MGS area but open.

What people praise is how you interact with the world. You can plot a point of entry and everything down to the last detail. In MGS3 and GZ you have options, but not the way you can handle it in MGSV. In classic MGS the typical line is between kill or don't kill, alert or no alert and that's it.

Meanwhile in MGSV.



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