Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 01, 2016, 09:42:48 PM
MADS MIKKELSEN :lawd :lawd
Post by: thisismyusername on December 01, 2016, 09:45:01 PM
Trailer was lit, though. I'm vastly interested now that I know Kojima's crazy sci-fi is still intact.
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 01, 2016, 09:48:32 PM
Post by: Positive Touch on December 01, 2016, 09:53:34 PM
Post by: chronovore on December 01, 2016, 10:26:41 PM
can we get a fucking genre plz
Kojima... so "surreal stealth military fetishism."
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 01, 2016, 10:37:14 PM
Post by: bork on December 01, 2016, 10:40:33 PM
This is so lame. I can't wait to see how much people eat up this hacks stuff.
:dunno :huh :iface
Post by: Tasty on December 01, 2016, 10:56:08 PM
Post by: bork on December 01, 2016, 10:57:45 PM
Yay CG trailers
:dunno :huh :iface
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2016, 11:06:11 PM
What is this game even?inSANE
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 01, 2016, 11:31:56 PM
can we get a fucking genre plz
David Cage-like
Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 01, 2016, 11:37:18 PM
can we get a fucking genre plz
So like, I heard that it's supposed to be a reverse MGS game. The enemies are trying to hide from YOU. But that could all be bullshit
Post by: bork on December 01, 2016, 11:38:25 PM
can we get a fucking genre plz
"Kojima".
Post by: Syph on December 01, 2016, 11:40:22 PM
KOJIMAAAAA!!!can we get a fucking genre plz
"Kojima".
Post by: bluemax on December 01, 2016, 11:47:30 PM
What is this game even?
An overly philosophical B-Movie pretending to be a third person shooter.
Post by: thisismyusername on December 02, 2016, 01:21:19 AM
What is this game even?
An overly philosophical B-Movie pretending to be a third person shooter.
:phil I'm completely okay with that.
Post by: Raist on December 02, 2016, 01:41:47 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
I want it.
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Post by: Himu on December 02, 2016, 03:46:27 AM
Post by: Bebpo on December 02, 2016, 04:49:05 AM
Post by: Trent Dole on December 02, 2016, 04:57:03 AM
Also, shut up and take my money!
Post by: eleuin on December 02, 2016, 08:55:32 AM
anti oil? anti babies? Does even kojima know at this pointWhat is this game even?
An overly philosophical B-Movie pretending to be a third person shooter.
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 02, 2016, 09:29:07 AM
Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 02, 2016, 09:36:40 AM
Post by: demi on December 02, 2016, 10:19:35 AM
Post by: chronovore on December 02, 2016, 08:03:16 PM
my guy kojima is so far up his own asshole he's disappeared into another dimension
Kojima no longer having a leash will be his undoing.
That's if the game ever comes out. Even if it does we won't see it till 2019 at the earliest.
It's possible. It may also depend on which portions of Sony Kojima will report to.
Post by: bluemax on December 02, 2016, 08:49:49 PM
anti oil? anti babies? Does even kojima know at this pointWhat is this game even?
An overly philosophical B-Movie pretending to be a third person shooter.
I'm sure it'll be straight out of Philosophy and Poli Sci 101 just like his other games.
Post by: Atramental on December 02, 2016, 08:57:02 PM
:doge
Post by: VomKriege on December 03, 2016, 03:39:10 AM
It's possible. It may also depend on which portions of Sony Kojima will report to.
Hopefully not the guy above Kaz Yamauchi :lol
Post by: a slime appears on December 03, 2016, 10:25:49 AM
Post by: a slime appears on December 03, 2016, 11:04:58 AM
I'm glad there's someone in this industry who is allowed to do whatever the fuck he wants.
Too bad it's the one guy you don't want allowed to do whatever the fuck he wants
Aside from being impossible to work with and a money pit he's not causing any harm.
Post by: archie4208 on December 03, 2016, 11:14:18 AM
Post by: bluemax on December 09, 2016, 11:44:42 PM
What is this game even?
An overly philosophical B-Movie pretending to be a third person shooter.
After watching the IGN interview where Kojima mentions that they specifically picked Guerilla's engine for its open world abilities, I am revising this to overly philosophical B-Movie pretending to be an open world game.
Post by: chronovore on December 12, 2016, 03:59:36 AM
Despite Guerrilla's bullshot history (weren't they the cause for the origin of the term?), their tech has always been impressive for its era. Of course, Guerrilla has never made an open-world game, so I'm curious how this determination of appropriateness was made.What is this game even?
An overly philosophical B-Movie pretending to be a third person shooter.
After watching the IGN interview where Kojima mentions that they specifically picked Guerilla's engine for its open world abilities, I am revising this to overly philosophical B-Movie pretending to be an open world game.
Post by: archnemesis on December 12, 2016, 05:23:41 AM
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 12, 2016, 08:09:18 AM
Post by: Rufus on December 12, 2016, 08:35:07 AM
Watching the Digital Foundry videos on TLG makes me wonder how far along that game was when it was sidelined. It doesn't seem to have changed a whole lot. Don't think they actually spent all that much money on it since the PS3 version was shelved.
Post by: chronovore on December 12, 2016, 09:20:31 PM
Isn't Horizon Zero Dawn open world? The more open parts of Killzone Shadow Fall are impressive.
WIKOPćJá:
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The game features an open world with a dynamic day-night cycle and weather system that can be explored without loading screens.[11][7][12] The quest structure unfolds to accommodate the exploration of tribes while the main story covers the entire world. Aloy can come across stories that require her to solve individual cases as well.[13] A dialogue wheel is used to communicate with non-playable characters.[10]
Huh, wow. Now I'm excited for that game.
Post by: bluemax on December 13, 2016, 11:39:02 PM
http://schedule.gdconf.com/session/gpu-based-run-time-procedural-placement-in-horizon-zero-dawn
Post by: Bebpo on December 15, 2016, 04:04:32 AM
Maybe once Polyphony Digital dashes itself against a wall.
Watching the Digital Foundry videos on TLG makes me wonder how far along that game was when it was sidelined. It doesn't seem to have changed a whole lot. Don't think they actually spent all that much money on it since the PS3 version was shelved.
My thoughts on TLG at this point is they probably funded Ueda and his small team for a few years and the game ran like shit & was full of bugs and they couldn't get it to be fun so they canned it. Then there was a huge fanuproar for a couple years and Sony thought it'd be worth the brownie points with fans to just port it to ps4, finish it up and get it out regardless that it was full of bugs and the main gameplay loop still wasn't particularly fun.
I feel like TLG is what FF Versus would have been if they released the unfun mess of Nomura's version three years ago instead of canceling and having Tabata make a completely new game (which had its own problems).
These games remind me of Balrog's big Space Sci-Fi game he spent years working on after God of War 2 only for the project to be cancelled. It probably wasn't particularly fun either.
Aka, yeah I think sometimes games are canned just because they can't figure out how to make it fun, and while sad, that's fine.
Though I'll be a hypocrite and say as a game industry recorder/observer/historian I'm glad TLG did come out so I could play it and see what was there, even if it wasn't particulalry fun.
Post by: VomKriege on January 26, 2017, 07:17:05 PM
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In an interview with BBC Radio 1 Newsbeat, Hideo Kojima defended the way female characters have been represented in his games, particularly when it comes to over sexualisation of certain women.
That said, the legendary designer noted that he’s going to “have a different approach for the next game.”
“What I really want to avoid is, like you see in some games, characters with big breasts with no back story,” said Kojima. “If I make characters that at first glance might look like this then they’ll have a deep background story to give a specific reason why.”
:quark :neogaf
I'm sure you'll show us this time, Hideo.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 26, 2017, 07:45:01 PM
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 26, 2017, 08:32:20 PM
Post by: zomgee on January 29, 2017, 01:58:09 PM
This is going to be a disaster.
A big, beautiful disaster.
Post by: Raist on September 23, 2018, 04:15:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UChQsuMHpDw
Post by: kingv on September 23, 2018, 09:47:05 AM
Post by: toku on September 23, 2018, 01:09:27 PM
Post by: kingv on September 23, 2018, 02:27:05 PM
Overall creepy atmosphere with tons of weird shit happening. Like almost like silent hills under another name.
Post by: BlueTsunami on September 23, 2018, 02:45:16 PM
Post by: toku on September 23, 2018, 05:00:50 PM
Post by: TEEEPO on September 23, 2018, 05:20:17 PM
Post by: paprikastaude on May 29, 2019, 12:27:31 PM
Post by: Himu on May 29, 2019, 12:34:34 PM
Post by: Bebpo on May 29, 2019, 12:36:02 PM
Excited for this!
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2019, 12:42:44 PM
to make cliffhanger the gameto REMAKE :ufup
(https://www.mobygames.com/images/covers/l/132469-cliffhanger-sega-cd-front-cover.png)
Post by: Don Rumata on May 29, 2019, 12:44:45 PM
Story wise, i know better than to trust Kojima, after TPP, but yeah, he's got the big Hollywood cast he wanted for the longest time.
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on May 29, 2019, 12:46:17 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/fWcKLWa.gif)
Post by: thetylerrob on May 29, 2019, 12:49:06 PM
This looks amazing even if I hated MGSV
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2019, 12:55:33 PM
Post by: paprikastaude on May 29, 2019, 12:56:36 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2019, 12:57:45 PM
I only ever played the Genesis one. Was alright. The movie is still GOAT though.without looking up anything about it I'm going to just assume the Sega CD version is the Genesis game with crappy 64 color versions of movie clips inserted between the stages (or maybe just at the start/finish of the game)
WALKAH.
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2019, 01:03:47 PM
HOMO DEMONS
No John, you are the homo demons.
Post by: kingv on May 29, 2019, 01:05:46 PM
No idea what it’s about, but will play it.
Post by: Himu on May 29, 2019, 01:10:14 PM
Post by: nachobro on May 29, 2019, 01:12:41 PM
Post by: Svejk on May 29, 2019, 01:25:43 PM
I only ever played the Genesis one. Was alright. The movie is still GOAT though.Sega CD version shat all over the Genesis one. Used the actual Alan Sylvestri score, CG movie snippets and had some sweet mode 7 snowboarding levels. IT WAS A BLOODY GOOD STRIKAH!
WALKAH.
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 29, 2019, 01:37:02 PM
Post by: demi on May 29, 2019, 01:49:16 PM
Post by: Svejk on May 29, 2019, 01:56:58 PM
Post by: Svejk on May 29, 2019, 02:29:07 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2019, 02:33:53 PM
Post by: Bebpo on May 29, 2019, 02:39:00 PM
Wait.. they're targeting 60fps?! :leon I'll buleeit when I see it.
Frame rate did not look smooth in that trailer. I totally figured there’d be a 60fps PS5 port down the line.
Props if they can hit 60fps though.
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2019, 02:49:39 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/VTJ0itD.gif)
Post by: Akala on May 29, 2019, 03:48:38 PM
Post by: shosta on May 29, 2019, 07:09:39 PM
Post by: nudemacusers on May 29, 2019, 08:23:30 PM
Omg stop with the violin guitar loop ughhhhhh
Post by: toku on May 29, 2019, 08:40:02 PM
Post by: Trent Dole on May 29, 2019, 08:55:47 PM
Post by: bluemax on May 29, 2019, 11:32:47 PM
ofc Winding Refn stans for a Kojima product :goldberg
Kojima referred to him as his bestie on twitter today.
I am honestly surprised this got a firm release date and is primed as Sony's big holiday title. Guess that means TLOU2 is doing worse than I heard!
I believe that was one of the goals when they started the FOX Engine initiative, they wanted to create a reusable technology base to chase 60fps with while iterating.
Yeah but this game is built on Guerrila's Decima Engine. Which is probably why it is actually coming out, they didn't have to start from complete scratch.
Post by: thisismyusername on May 30, 2019, 12:27:30 AM
Yeah but this game is built on Guerrila's Decima Engine. Which is probably why it is actually coming out, they didn't have to start from complete scratch.
Being fair with the Fox Engine: The work done for Metal Gear is solid. It might have been another year or two before Konami would've actually had the middleware engine that Kojima was trying to go for.
As it is, this is supposedly getting a PC port. Supposedly. We'll see how that is. Because the Fox Engine was fucking solid in Metal Gear.
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2019, 02:05:54 AM
Even worse this could have turned into a whole Crystal Tools/Luminous situation like Square Enix.
IIRC, Sony/Guerilla licensed them Decima for free which is a pretty good deal.
Post by: naff on May 30, 2019, 05:21:42 AM
Post by: Rufus on May 30, 2019, 10:36:54 AM
IIRC, Sony/Guerilla licensed them Decima for free which is a pretty good deal.Which is why I doubt the recent PC rumors. Nice as it would be, I can't imagine there not being any strings attached.
Post by: Trent Dole on May 30, 2019, 01:40:37 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 30, 2019, 02:11:22 PM
Isn't this project highly Sony funded? I kind of doubt they'd let something like this slip off onto another platform.
EGS money hats, tho. :money
Post by: RyoonZ on May 30, 2019, 02:50:18 PM
Post by: Raist on May 30, 2019, 05:52:09 PM
Yeah but this game is built on Guerrila's Decima Engine. Which is probably why it is actually coming out, they didn't have to start from complete scratch.
Being fair with the Fox Engine: The work done for Metal Gear is solid.
:ohyou
Post by: thisismyusername on May 30, 2019, 07:02:19 PM
Isn't this project highly Sony funded? I kind of doubt they'd let something like this slip off onto another platform.
IIRC, Sony/Guerilla licensed them Decima for free which is a pretty good deal.Which is why I doubt the recent PC rumors. Nice as it would be, I can't imagine there not being any strings attached.
SF5, says hi.
Post by: Rufus on May 30, 2019, 07:16:48 PM
Post by: chronovore on May 30, 2019, 09:24:25 PM
HOMO DEMONS
No John, you are the homo demons.
Maybe the real homo demons were the Boreans we met along the way?
Post by: bluemax on May 30, 2019, 11:28:41 PM
Yeah but this game is built on Guerrila's Decima Engine. Which is probably why it is actually coming out, they didn't have to start from complete scratch.
Being fair with the Fox Engine: The work done for Metal Gear is solid. It might have been another year or two before Konami would've actually had the middleware engine that Kojima was trying to go for.
As it is, this is supposedly getting a PC port. Supposedly. We'll see how that is. Because the Fox Engine was fucking solid in Metal Gear.
Oh yeah, I wasn't mocking the Fox engine, more just saying not starting from zero is a big deal. Especially if you want to build an open world.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 31, 2019, 08:00:46 AM
I only ever played the Genesis one. Was alright. The movie is still GOAT though.Sega CD version shat all over the Genesis one. Used the actual Alan Sylvestri score, CG movie snippets and had some sweet mode 7 snowboarding levels. IT WAS A BLOODY GOOD STRIKAH!
WALKAH.
Was there mode 7 on Sega CD? Pretty sure it was a Nintendo thing
Post by: Brehvolution on May 31, 2019, 08:47:05 AM
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 31, 2019, 08:55:24 AM
Post by: Svejk on May 31, 2019, 08:59:35 AM
ADVANCED LADDER PHYSICS ONLY POSSIBLE WITH THE GENIUS OF KOJIMATAKING LADDERS TO THE NEXT LEVEL
Post by: nachobro on May 31, 2019, 09:02:58 AM
Was there mode 7 on Sega CD? Pretty sure it was a Nintendo thingSega CD def had scaling so it could achieve a Mode 7 like effect
Post by: Svejk on May 31, 2019, 09:11:52 AM
Post by: Raist on May 31, 2019, 11:35:39 PM
And it's going to be fucking glorious.
Post by: chronovore on June 01, 2019, 01:34:29 AM
https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1133841855735582720
This intrigues me more and gives me more hope than the trailer did.
Post by: bluemax on August 10, 2019, 02:04:25 AM
Post by: Rufus on August 10, 2019, 02:07:40 AM
Post by: chronovore on August 10, 2019, 02:08:35 AM
Can't believe no is talking about the speculation this is going to the Epic Games Store.
After Kojima got supermoneyhatted by Sony?
https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/death-stranding-is-no-longer-listed-as-a-playstation-4-exclusive/
…Huh.
Post by: Trent Dole on August 10, 2019, 05:15:13 AM
Post by: Nintex on August 10, 2019, 06:18:28 AM
Release this year :rejoice
My expectation was that (because Guerrilla in collaboration with Nixxes also has/had(?) an Horizon PC port in development) it would be released alongside a souped up PS5 version.
Post by: bork on August 20, 2019, 07:17:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkYuwTOyb68
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxnlTt2BEiM
Geoff Keighley in the last one
:dead
Post by: Don Rumata on August 20, 2019, 11:35:59 AM
Man that story seems so boring; I normally wouldn't care but aren't Kojima games like 50% talking simulators?MGSV was sort of the opposite, 90% of the cutscenes were in the trailers (that was actually one of the major problems with that game).
The ladder thing is cool; if there's a lot of loot to find exploring I could enjoy a game that pretty just for that though.
Seeing how people reacted to RDR2 being "too boring", i can't see how this game can end up pleasing people (Kojima fanboys aside) though.
I'm not too worried, i don't mind walking sims too much, but i'm not hyped either.
Post by: kingv on August 20, 2019, 08:01:20 PM
Like it looks kind of boring, and those cutscenes did not fill me with confidence that I am going to make heads or tails of the story.
I mean, I will play it because Kojima... and I want to be able to laugh at all the memes that inevitably come from this, and at the fanboys who preach theories like how TPP is intentionally unfinished because Kojima wanted the player to feel the phantom pain of being incomplete like how Venom Snake was.
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 23, 2019, 01:01:49 PM
https://ogn.theonion.com/interview-we-imprison-hideo-kojima-in-an-interview-roo-1837506102
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OGN: Let’s start by discussing your hotly anticipated work on Death Stranding. Let us just ask you point-blank: Can you give us a straightforward explanation of what this game’s story is?
K: What? Is that all? Well, if you really want to know, I guess...so, Death Stranding is supposed to be a commentary on the ravages of climate change and the way our fragmented society can be destroyed by invisible forces. The protagonist, Sam Porter Bridges (Norman Reedus), uses a fetus-like BB-unit to build connections between—
Unfortunately, at this point, we had to slap Kojima-san across the face to make him focus. After his nose stopped bleeding, we resumed the interview.
Post by: Raist on September 12, 2019, 04:07:03 AM
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AnyFixedIbisbill-mobile.mp4
Post by: Don Rumata on September 12, 2019, 04:28:45 AM
7 minutes of brain numbing exposition.
I'm bummed that some of the emotional lines from the previous trailer (about coming together etc) are just throw away lines in such a boring context, in the actual game. :-\
There was supposed to be a longer, 40 minutes gameplay trailer too, no?
Post by: Raist on September 12, 2019, 04:48:33 AM
Post by: Svejk on September 12, 2019, 07:08:43 AM
:rejoice :phil
spoiler (click to show/hide)
And most likely a better story
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Post by: Coffee Dog on September 12, 2019, 11:16:31 AM
I wish this game would have a good story, but I've played this man's games for many years and I know it will be a lot of dumb ass shit. I'll still play it.
Post by: nachobro on September 12, 2019, 11:56:17 AM
Post by: BisMarckie on September 12, 2019, 01:09:47 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 12, 2019, 01:50:40 PM
Sony: Can you make a game for us Kojima-san?
Kojima: :teehee
Post by: Trent Dole on September 12, 2019, 04:51:28 PM
That’s what giving a crazy person a budget without any supervision looks like. :rejoiceSo this is gonna be the Chinese Democracy of videogames? I'm so fucking in. Give the most insane bloated unfiltered balls out version of Kojima possible! :rock
Post by: Shuri on September 12, 2019, 08:20:47 PM
Nothing was really interesting or exciting.. The graphics are nice!
Post by: bork on September 12, 2019, 08:27:52 PM
:doge it feels like a japanese version of no man's sky (the planet exploration part of nms) and ehh I really dont know how to feel about this :doge
Nothing was really interesting or exciting.. The graphics are nice!
Yeah, definitely not for me.
Post by: Don Rumata on September 12, 2019, 09:29:03 PM
Post by: paprikastaude on September 12, 2019, 09:38:32 PM
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 12, 2019, 11:04:28 PM
Only interested because MGSV was the only good game I can think of carrying the modern open world monicker. But I suspect this will have a structure similar to all the other overrated games like Rockstar things, Botw, etc. in the open world dumpster fire.The open world is the worst part of MGSV. Tedious travel and nothingness in between the actual mission areas. One of the worst open worlds.
Post by: Svejk on September 13, 2019, 08:47:09 AM
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You can actually choose where on Sam’s body to put all this stuff. You can load it all up onto his back like a pack mule, but you can also put items in pouches hanging off the backpack, strap them to his arms and legs, or have him hand-carry certain pieces. This will affect his speed, yes, but also his balance. Sam’s center of gravity will be shown in a yellow circle underneath him as you shift things around. As you run through the world, if you make hard left or right turns, he’ll go off-kilter if he’s overburdened, and you’ll need to press the L2 and R2 buttons to shift his weight back so he stays upright.Goddammit, Kojima..... I love you! :heartbeat I can easily see people being turned off by this, but I think it's fucking awesome. Same feeling I got when the first 3D games would actually show your armor change.
Post by: nachobro on September 13, 2019, 09:10:56 AM
Post by: Svejk on September 13, 2019, 09:27:09 AM
Soyny: "Yeah... we can let Sam get by peeing on things, but not sure we can have that topless lady...."
Kojima: "There's a reason for that: There's a Strand linked to her clothes and you need to link them in order to connect her past and her future life, if it isn't in, there will be a corruption in the flow of Strands and Beached Things and the game cannot be completed and the story inconsistent...."
Soyny: ".......ok...well, I suppose if...."
Kojima:
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(http://assets.vg247.com/current//2009/09/kojima.jpg)
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Soyny: ".......very well."
Post by: bork on September 13, 2019, 09:31:09 AM
I'm more concerned with Soyny and what they're going to allow Kojima to do/not do.
Naked dudes and babies are OK.
Naked wimmenz
:exxy
Post by: nachobro on September 13, 2019, 09:36:28 AM
Post by: Svejk on September 13, 2019, 09:40:20 AM
but will there be reedus dong? :thinkingAll them sick fucks have already been constructing multiple penis mods for when this hits PC.
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 13, 2019, 09:40:23 AM
Post by: bork on September 13, 2019, 09:43:57 AM
Post by: paprikastaude on September 13, 2019, 10:14:27 AM
Post by: BisMarckie on September 13, 2019, 10:54:05 AM
Only interested because MGSV was the only good game I can think of carrying the modern open world monicker. But I suspect this will have a structure similar to all the other overrated games like Rockstar things, Botw, etc. in the open world dumpster fire.The open world is the worst part of MGSV. Tedious travel and nothingness in between the actual mission areas. One of the worst open worlds.
No, the open world made it possible to approach your infiltration however you wanted to. It‘s not meant to be open world in the sense that you talk to dumb ass NPCs who tell you about their struggles and make you solve sidequests for them.
Post by: paprikastaude on September 13, 2019, 10:57:14 AM
Only interested because MGSV was the only good game I can think of carrying the modern open world monicker. But I suspect this will have a structure similar to all the other overrated games like Rockstar things, Botw, etc. in the open world dumpster fire.The open world is the worst part of MGSV. Tedious travel and nothingness in between the actual mission areas. One of the worst open worlds.
No, the open world made it possible to approach your infiltration however you wanted to. It‘s not meant to be open world in the sense that you talk to dumb ass NPCs who tell you about their struggles and make you solve sidequests for them.
Exactly. MGSV succeeded because the point wasn't exploring and it wasn't necessary to shit up the map with lame ass fetchquests. I don't think this game will be mission based like MGSV though.
Post by: Rufus on September 13, 2019, 11:35:41 AM
X option is for ResetEraI sit as well and there's nothing fucking wrong with it whatsoever. :hmph
Post by: bork on September 13, 2019, 11:55:04 AM
X option is for ResetEraI sit as well and there's nothing fucking wrong with it whatsoever. :hmph
:ryker
Post by: Rufus on September 13, 2019, 12:08:47 PM
Post by: Svejk on September 13, 2019, 12:33:15 PM
Post by: Raist on September 13, 2019, 01:12:09 PM
I've not even joking.
Post by: Svejk on September 13, 2019, 01:27:35 PM
The toilet thing is because BTs are vulnerable to bodily fluids. So you can craft grenades out of your blood, piss and shit.I saw about the blood, but piss and shit too?
I've not even joking.
GOTY confirmed
Post by: kingv on September 13, 2019, 01:34:02 PM
The toilet thing is because BTs are vulnerable to bodily fluids. So you can craft grenades out of your blood, piss and shit.
I've not even joking.
Can you stand and shit?
Post by: Tasty on September 13, 2019, 01:47:53 PM
Post by: kingv on September 13, 2019, 01:55:26 PM
I feel like there are non-zero odds that this game ends up impressively bad... but I will be there day 1.
I can see it being technically competent and impressive, and completely functional, but with weird navel-gazing gameplay and a non-sensical story.
What if we find out that Konami was actually keeping him from making complete nonsense?
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2019, 02:45:48 PM
Post by: paprikastaude on September 13, 2019, 02:49:27 PM
I only sit on toilets backwards.
My boi can ride :lawdOnly interested because MGSV was the only good game I can think of carrying the modern open world monicker. But I suspect this will have a structure similar to all the other overrated games like Rockstar things, Botw, etc. in the open world dumpster fire.The open world is the worst part of MGSV. Tedious travel and nothingness in between the actual mission areas. One of the worst open worlds.
No, the open world made it possible to approach your infiltration however you wanted to. It‘s not meant to be open world in the sense that you talk to dumb ass NPCs who tell you about their struggles and make you solve sidequests for them.
Exactly. MGSV succeeded because the point wasn't exploring and it wasn't necessary to shit up the map with lame ass fetchquests. I don't think this game will be mission based like MGSV though.
Are we sure it's not? I watched the gameplay demo, and even though it was japanese it seemed like he was picking from an MGS5-like menu.
no idea, I only skipped through the footage. I think they announced a translated stream.
Post by: nachobro on September 13, 2019, 02:53:42 PM
This game looks crazy. What drugs is Kojima even taking that are legal in Japan?
why do you think he's taking so many trips to the US? ;) :pimp
(https://i.imgur.com/Faoc7ws.jpg?1)
"What if we named the president Samantha *takes hit* America *exhales* Strand?"
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2019, 03:05:41 PM
This game looks crazy. What drugs is Kojima even taking that are legal in Japan?
why do you think he's taking so many trips to the US? ;) :pimp
(https://i.imgur.com/Faoc7ws.jpg?1)
"What if we named the president Samantha *takes hit* America *exhales* Strand?"
Here's my theory.
It's highly illegal to have weed in Japan so when he comes to America he just binges the dankest shit all at once.
Post by: paprikastaude on September 13, 2019, 03:21:07 PM
This game looks crazy. What drugs is Kojima even taking that are legal in Japan?
why do you think he's taking so many trips to the US? ;) :pimp
(https://i.imgur.com/Faoc7ws.jpg?1)
"What if we named the president Samantha *takes hit* America *exhales* Strand?"
is this real? :doge
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 13, 2019, 04:04:31 PM
I only sit on toilets backwards.
You reverse cowgirl the toilet? :whew
Post by: Svejk on September 13, 2019, 04:05:21 PM
Post by: bork on September 13, 2019, 04:18:45 PM
Dat's dat Def Stranding purp.
Found Kojima's inspiration for this game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuq6HgKgEFQ
spoiler (click to show/hide)
You can't find the music video with the real lyrics on YT ::)
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x224q5
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x224q5
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Post by: Svejk on September 13, 2019, 04:22:25 PM
(https://media.tenor.com/images/0b3ceffc100fd301deaa50f55ec8fead/tenor.gif)
Post by: Raist on September 14, 2019, 04:52:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSgQBWk2-bA
Post by: Don Rumata on September 14, 2019, 05:45:27 AM
I actually find the walking sim aspects interesting, balancing the weight especially, but the boss fight looked pretty pedestrian, so the combat will probably be a bore.
Post by: Svejk on September 16, 2019, 03:37:16 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/kILFSQtfKZmvWjmS3Y/giphy.gif)
Post by: paprikastaude on September 16, 2019, 03:58:39 PM
Watched the 40 mins.
I actually find the walking sim aspects interesting, balancing the weight especially, but the boss fight looked pretty pedestrian, so the combat will probably be a bore.
Walking simulation as a term was meant for trash like Layers of Fear in which you can't interact with anything and the story just happens while you press forward. Even if this didn't have enemies, it would still look like a real simulation game, since you have to calculate shit and interact with or pay attention to the environment. However, I don't know the map looks like it would have interesting enough challenges to overcome.
Post by: BlueTsunami on September 16, 2019, 07:05:34 PM
Post by: Don Rumata on September 17, 2019, 03:34:25 AM
Yeah i meant "walking sim" in a more literal sense, in this instance, referring to balancing weight, managing gear, finding viable paths etc.Watched the 40 mins.
I actually find the walking sim aspects interesting, balancing the weight especially, but the boss fight looked pretty pedestrian, so the combat will probably be a bore.
Walking simulation as a term was meant for trash like Layers of Fear in which you can't interact with anything and the story just happens while you press forward. Even if this didn't have enemies, it would still look like a real simulation game, since you have to calculate shit and interact with or pay attention to the environment. However, I don't know the map looks like it would have interesting enough challenges to overcome.
Though i'll say i don't have anything against traditional walking sims on principle, as long as they tell an interesting story and can manage a good pace (something Layers of Fear doesn't do).
Post by: Himu on September 17, 2019, 10:08:04 AM
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 17, 2019, 10:07:04 PM
Ok, he's stretching <skim> and he's walking <skim> still walking <skim> and still walking <skim> Oh!...oh wait, still walking...
Post by: chronovore on September 18, 2019, 12:36:21 AM
Hrmmm...a death stranding 40 minute video. I just watched that trailer and that didn't make any sense. Guess I'll skim it.
Ok, he's stretching <skim> and he's walking <skim> still walking <skim> and still walking <skim> Oh!...oh wait, still walking...
The whole thing is a troll against walking-sim haters.
Post by: kingv on September 18, 2019, 01:00:23 AM
*Bleep bleep*
Strand: Norm, what do you think about walking simulators?
Norm: Walking... simulators?
Strand: there’s this new type of game where you just walk around and experience a story
Norm: Can love really bloom in a post apocalyptic America?
Strand: being bedridden, walking simulators are my new favorite kind of game. I can put in a walking simulator video game and it’s almost like I’m transported to another, believable reality, where I’m free to get up and move as I please.
Norm: I can see that
Strand: do you ever feel like you are in a walking simulator?
Norm: I don’t really have time for this conversation, I have places to... walk. *Huuurrrm*
*bleep bleep*
Post by: bluemax on September 18, 2019, 04:32:27 AM
This game looks crazy. What drugs is Kojima even taking that are legal in Japan?
The one that made him decide to ripoff the Postman instead of Escape from NY this time :teehee
I endorse this take.
Post by: bork on September 18, 2019, 12:56:54 PM
:nugenix
Post by: bork on September 18, 2019, 01:14:22 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEwYdzOXkAAKIjR?format=jpg&name=medium)
So, no hand-holding. GOOD.
Post by: Don Rumata on September 18, 2019, 01:26:58 PM
It seems like you go from A to B to C, like towers in an open world game, trying to avoid the baddies in between, and with the occasional scripted moment.
If MGSV is any indication, the big set pieces (like the WWI battlefield) will probably be sandwiched at the tail end of the game, and very on rails/scripted.
Post by: Himu on September 18, 2019, 03:39:17 PM
Expanded:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEwYdzOXkAAKIjR?format=jpg&name=medium)
So, no hand-holding. GOOD.
Kojima isn’t the type to handhold.
Post by: nachobro on September 18, 2019, 03:50:45 PM
Post by: Himu on September 18, 2019, 03:55:24 PM
Post by: nachobro on September 18, 2019, 03:57:06 PM
(http://45.media.tumblr.com/1fca1fe3d8ce7ebc179cd5ec20525496/tumblr_nmc0nz15WX1tywth9o7_500.gif)
(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/541920848015113939/E2585D45594D1770BE2E39DFF12F124841BFB776/)
Post by: Himu on September 18, 2019, 04:07:59 PM
Post by: Svejk on September 18, 2019, 04:14:12 PM
My concern is if DS is aiming for 60fps on base PS4. I'm highly skeptical, but things can happen..
Post by: BlueTsunami on September 18, 2019, 05:20:39 PM
Post by: BisMarckie on September 18, 2019, 05:37:28 PM
Never played it on PS4. :obama
Playing it on PC with mods is the way God intended. No reflex mode and no loadouts. :aah
Post by: Nintex on September 18, 2019, 05:52:56 PM
It took a whole bunch of other open-world franchises about 3 to 4 years to match or exceed what Kojima had done with the game.
In fact, you could release it today as a new game. It hasn't aged much at all.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 18, 2019, 08:12:21 PM
Post by: Himu on September 18, 2019, 08:23:32 PM
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 18, 2019, 08:28:43 PM
None of those have a boring ass open world as filler to get to that stuff.
It is not a good open world game.
Post by: paprikastaude on September 18, 2019, 08:37:13 PM
MGSV best open world game.
Post by: bork on September 18, 2019, 08:37:50 PM
Expanded:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEwYdzOXkAAKIjR?format=jpg&name=medium)
So, no hand-holding. GOOD.
Kojima isn’t the type to handhold.
When start up a Metal Gear Solid game, you get tons of codec conversations telling you how to do stuff. It seems like this game may not even do something along those lines?
Post by: Himu on September 18, 2019, 08:39:34 PM
Expanded:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEwYdzOXkAAKIjR?format=jpg&name=medium)
So, no hand-holding. GOOD.
Kojima isn’t the type to handhold.
When start up a Metal Gear Solid game, you get tons of codec conversations telling you how to do stuff. It seems like this game may not even do something along those lines?
Most if not all that is optional.
Post by: Himu on September 18, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
So is Hitman. So was MGS3. So was Ground Zeros.
None of those have a boring ass open world as filler to get to that stuff.
It is not a good open world game.
You're talking about the world. No one cares about that. It's just a standard MGS area but open.
What people praise is how you interact with the world. You can plot a point of entry and everything down to the last detail. In MGS3 and GZ you have options, but not the way you can handle it in MGSV. In classic MGS the typical line is between kill or don't kill, alert or no alert and that's it.
Meanwhile in MGSV.
(https://i.imgur.com/liPrc1M.gif)
Post by: bork on September 18, 2019, 08:46:20 PM
Expanded:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEwYdzOXkAAKIjR?format=jpg&name=medium)
So, no hand-holding. GOOD.
Kojima isn’t the type to handhold.
When start up a Metal Gear Solid game, you get tons of codec conversations telling you how to do stuff. It seems like this game may not even do something along those lines?
Most if not all that is optional.
You're also in smaller areas or "intro" stages. I would describe the beginning of MGSV as "hand-holding." It opens up pretty quickly though. Will be interesting to see if this game is just like "here you go- have fun!" which is what I get from that interview snippet.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 18, 2019, 08:51:03 PM
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 18, 2019, 08:53:07 PM
Thank you for proving my point??So is Hitman. So was MGS3. So was Ground Zeros.
None of those have a boring ass open world as filler to get to that stuff.
It is not a good open world game.
You're talking about the world. No one cares about that. It's just a standard MGS area but open.
What people praise is how you interact with the world. You can plot a point of entry and everything down to the last detail. In MGS3 and GZ you have options, but not the way you can handle it in MGSV. In classic MGS the typical line is between kill or don't kill, alert or no alert and that's it.
Meanwhile in MGSV.
(https://i.imgur.com/liPrc1M.gif)
Post by: bork on September 18, 2019, 08:55:04 PM
:huh
Post by: paprikastaude on September 18, 2019, 09:03:26 PM
=
no atmosphere
ok :juicy you can get your atmosphere from 30 minute cutscenes of Kojima fetishizing excrements then.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 18, 2019, 09:11:04 PM
And all of that could have been done in Hitman like levels. Where they could give you big and more focused levels and allow you to go about your missions anyway you want. Kind of building on Ground Zeros. Instead of having pointless empty land mass. The game doesn’t even feel like an open world game.
But yeah best open world game where most of the world is boring, you don’t want to waste your time in it, and is just tedious fat to chew through to get to the meet.
Post by: naff on September 18, 2019, 09:16:23 PM
stop being dull mate
Post by: bork on September 18, 2019, 09:21:36 PM
The game doesn’t even feel like an open world game.
What?
Post by: kingv on September 18, 2019, 09:23:13 PM
Post by: nachobro on September 18, 2019, 10:20:06 PM
Playing it on PC with mods is the way God intended. No reflex mode and no loadouts. :aahand john cena's theme playing from the helicopter
Post by: nachobro on September 18, 2019, 10:27:07 PM
https://youtu.be/rkfCJrljvKA
:jeb :miyamoto
Post by: Himu on September 18, 2019, 10:35:27 PM
Thank you for proving my point??So is Hitman. So was MGS3. So was Ground Zeros.
None of those have a boring ass open world as filler to get to that stuff.
It is not a good open world game.
You're talking about the world. No one cares about that. It's just a standard MGS area but open.
What people praise is how you interact with the world. You can plot a point of entry and everything down to the last detail. In MGS3 and GZ you have options, but not the way you can handle it in MGSV. In classic MGS the typical line is between kill or don't kill, alert or no alert and that's it.
Meanwhile in MGSV.
(https://i.imgur.com/liPrc1M.gif)
You didn't.
Classic Metal Gear missions end when the game is completed. In MGSV you take on individual missions with completely different goals. You can do accomplish these goals any way you choose. This makes MGSV more freeform than previous MGS which takes a more plot focused approach.
This isn't to say previous Metal Gear games lacked different approaches. But nothing compared to MGSV, because you'd have a specific target, and would be left to your devices on how to solve it.
I don't see how this is hard to understand.
Expanded:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEwYdzOXkAAKIjR?format=jpg&name=medium)
So, no hand-holding. GOOD.
Kojima isn’t the type to handhold.
When start up a Metal Gear Solid game, you get tons of codec conversations telling you how to do stuff. It seems like this game may not even do something along those lines?
Most if not all that is optional.
You're also in smaller areas or "intro" stages. I would describe the beginning of MGSV as "hand-holding." It opens up pretty quickly though. Will be interesting to see if this game is just like "here you go- have fun!" which is what I get from that interview snippet.
In MGS games the most you're told are controls. The game lets you solve the rest. Take the tanker mission in MGS2 or the first room in MGS1 or the first mission in MGS3. MGS? Handhold? In what world? It tells you the controls, but by no means tells you how to solve it. In MGS3 especially since there's no radar.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 18, 2019, 10:45:51 PM
Post by: Himu on September 18, 2019, 10:49:00 PM
:yeshrug
No idea why you keep bringing up Hitman. I haven't played the new ones though so I have no frame of reference for your comparison.
In any case, I loved MGSV and thought it was a step in the right direction after 4 which ruined everything I love about MGS gameplay. Rather than allowing players options you were forced into a certain playstyle from Acts 3 and on. Only Act 1 and 2 were good from an MGS gameplay standpoint. So MGSV was a nice return to form in the gameplay sense. Especially since I didn't particularly care for PW either. Loved GZ tho.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 18, 2019, 10:54:17 PM
I mention Hitman because it’s what these bad open world games(AC1, MGSV) should have been. They only “shine” when you’re doing the missions. Hitman is about building a big open environment with many options around the main mission.
MGSV is “good” to me when your assaulting the bases or areas where the missions send you. Outside of that it’s crap.
Post by: Himu on September 18, 2019, 10:58:55 PM
GZ is like that. It gives you a big base and asks you to figure out your way through it and how to escape it.
This is the same as previous MGS though because it's one location.
I think the issue here is that you like the way MGS stews in a location. The area becomes iconic. You think snow when you think of MGS1, the tanker in MGS2, or the jungle in MGS3. It's a central, intimate locale that takes a character of its own. It feels lived in. Like the caves of Shadow Moses having wolves. Or the pin up girl posters in the lockers in the tanker. MGSV isn't like that. You prefer to bake in the scenery and locales. GZ is definitely more that kind of thing. MGSV isn't that kind of game unfortunately. None of its locales are terribly memorable.
I haven't played Hitman 1 or 2 but I'm looking forward to them because I love Blood Money and everything points to it being a return to form and evolution on the formula.
I would say your critique on MGSV is fair but I also think you're being too hard on it at the same time. But I won't begrudge you for that because it's clear you're only hard on it because you love MGS and you have certain expectations that come with that. I'm that way with FFXIII.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 19, 2019, 02:48:23 AM
Rahx, it's not that I even disagree with everything you're saying, but-Because it doesn't.The game doesn’t even feel like an open world game.
What?
You tell me open world game, I think of Grand Theft Auto, Red Dead, Skyrim, or even something like Gravity Rush. I think of games that create this big "world". The good ones create a world you want to explore, have a feeling that you can go everywhere(not all the time though), and are an actual place. I put in GTA3 yesterday and still remember the streets and landmarks. I don't love Skyrim, but I felt like I was traversing an actual country and world. It was amazing to see the scale and craft that goes into these virtual cityscapes, nations, worlds. The promise of open worlds to me was games creating virtual places with things I want to see. Places that make me feel like I'm traveling through a place.
To be fair I don't like most open world games, because especially modern ones just seem like they just fill them with copy and paste mission design. They create the world and then go "oh whatever throw some enemies in it". My problem with modern games in general is they craft these big places to explore and then don't craft anything else beyond that.
I've liked games like Red Dead 2 and Mafia 2 because the world itself is just atmosphere if anything. But I realize espically in games like Mafia 2, this may not be a popular opinion.
But Metal Gear Solid V doesn't do anything like that. The open world feels dull and I don't want to be in it. Let me ask you, when choosing where to land you chose to land closet to the objective? Probably, because you just want to get to where the mission is. The in between is whatever, it's tedious. While fast travel is nice in games, I rarley use it. I don't think it was in Red Dead 2, but I did'nt mind traveling because the world itself wasn't boring and was immersive anyway. I would want to stay immersed in it. My favorite mission in Oblivion is when you and two other characters go on an epic horse ride. I want my open worlds to feel like places.
And you know MGSV could have done that. MGS3 is not open world. It's linear big zones connected, but it sure feels like a place. I sure feel like I'm progressing through an environment. People may dodge on Horizon's open world, but I loved it because it took it's time having you journey through the world. It wasn't just here's a big place, do whatever. It was more deliberate in how it handed out the world.
The idea of open world MGS to me should have been anything but PW influenced. Snake is thrown into an open world and it should have played out like Red Dead 2. Though obviously yknow with MGSV's gameplay. Where he has to progress and survive in this environment, like he does MGS3's jungle. Gain new weapons and skills, maybe have some Metriod like puzzles. It should have felt like the older MGS games, but on a bigger level. You're not just sneaking through a military base, a environmental plant, or a jungle. You're sneaking through a country.
Instead it's this weird menu mission based game that I ask why is it even open world. I select my mission and want to get as close to the mission area as possible. The open world to me is irrelevant. As bland as Koei Tecmo's attempts at open world environments. I mean yeah the game does kind of do what I wanted from Far Cry games. You know survey bases and figure out how I want to get to them. I don't like Ubisoft check list open world games, but you know when I was playing Blood Dragon which is basicly attack several basses the game, I also questioned what was the point of it being open world.
Either way the open world is'nt even my only problems with the game. I hate the story. How empty it is and how lame the plot twist is. I hate Peace Walker and it's influences. The lack of boss battles. Pretty much all of act 2 is just terrible. I just think the game is bad. But it plays well.
Post by: Trent Dole on September 19, 2019, 03:14:30 AM
What the hell, this is literally pointless. From the creator of Metal Gear comes 'Guy trying to keep his balance while carrying a whole lot of shit in his backpack and also there's a baby in some weird liquid for some reason'. ???
Post by: Svejk on September 19, 2019, 08:40:55 AM
Fucking bring all that you got, Kojima!! :mods :mouf :gamer
Post by: nachobro on September 19, 2019, 08:48:26 AM
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2019, 09:05:29 AM
Play MGS in European extreme and kiss my ass. Bye.
Post by: bork on September 19, 2019, 09:05:31 AM
Snatcher
Policenauts (Snatcher is better)
Metal Gear Solid
Metal Gear Solid 3
And unless I'm forgetting something, that's about it for me when it comes to Hideo games. Just could not get into the other MGS games unless we're counting non-Hideo MGS- I liked Ghost Babel.
Death Stranding just does not appeal to me. I was all over PT/Silent Hills and it sucks that it will never see the light of day. #Fuckonami.
Rahx, it's not that I even disagree with everything you're saying, but-Because it doesn't.The game doesn’t even feel like an open world game.
What?
You tell me open world game, I think of Grand Theft Auto, Red Dead, Skyrim, or even something like Gravity Rush. I think of games that create this big "world". The good ones create a world you want to explore, have a feeling that you can go everywhere(not all the time though), and are an actual place. I put in GTA3 yesterday and still remember the streets and landmarks. I don't love Skyrim, but I felt like I was traversing an actual country and world. It was amazing to see the scale and craft that goes into these virtual cityscapes, nations, worlds. The promise of open worlds to me was games creating virtual places with things I want to see. Places that make me feel like I'm traveling through a place.
To be fair I don't like most open world games, because especially modern ones just seem like they just fill them with copy and paste mission design. They create the world and then go "oh whatever throw some enemies in it". My problem with modern games in general is they craft these big places to explore and then don't craft anything else beyond that.
I've liked games like Red Dead 2 and Mafia 2 because the world itself is just atmosphere if anything. But I realize espically in games like Mafia 2, this may not be a popular opinion.
But Metal Gear Solid V doesn't do anything like that. The open world feels dull and I don't want to be in it. Let me ask you, when choosing where to land you chose to land closet to the objective? Probably, because you just want to get to where the mission is. The in between is whatever, it's tedious. While fast travel is nice in games, I rarley use it. I don't think it was in Red Dead 2, but I did'nt mind traveling because the world itself wasn't boring and was immersive anyway. I would want to stay immersed in it. My favorite mission in Oblivion is when you and two other characters go on an epic horse ride. I want my open worlds to feel like places.
And you know MGSV could have done that. MGS3 is not open world. It's linear big zones connected, but it sure feels like a place. I sure feel like I'm progressing through an environment. People may dodge on Horizon's open world, but I loved it because it took it's time having you journey through the world. It wasn't just here's a big place, do whatever. It was more deliberate in how it handed out the world.
The idea of open world MGS to me should have been anything but PW influenced. Snake is thrown into an open world and it should have played out like Red Dead 2. Though obviously yknow with MGSV's gameplay. Where he has to progress and survive in this environment, like he does MGS3's jungle. Gain new weapons and skills, maybe have some Metriod like puzzles. It should have felt like the older MGS games, but on a bigger level. You're not just sneaking through a military base, a environmental plant, or a jungle. You're sneaking through a country.
Instead it's this weird menu mission based game that I ask why is it even open world. I select my mission and want to get as close to the mission area as possible. The open world to me is irrelevant. As bland as Koei Tecmo's attempts at open world environments. I mean yeah the game does kind of do what I wanted from Far Cry games. You know survey bases and figure out how I want to get to them. I don't like Ubisoft check list open world games, but you know when I was playing Blood Dragon which is basicly attack several basses the game, I also questioned what was the point of it being open world.
Either way the open world is'nt even my only problems with the game. I hate the story. How empty it is and how lame the plot twist is. I hate Peace Walker and it's influences. The lack of boss battles. Pretty much all of act 2 is just terrible. I just think the game is bad. But it plays well.
I'm not a fan of the game either- the game play is good and I didn't like much else about it. Dropped it pretty quickly- reminds me of MGS2 in that I enjoyed the beginning (Tanker/Ground Zeroes) and then lost interest when it got to the game proper. But I don't agree that doesn't feel like an open-world game at all. Dull? OK. Still open-world.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 19, 2019, 12:10:19 PM
Nier 2 is technically open world too. Not going to stop me from saying it was crap and hardly felt like one. V’s open world likewise feels irrelevant.
Post by: paprikastaude on September 19, 2019, 12:22:01 PM
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 19, 2019, 12:46:22 PM
...in a boring ass open world game that didn’t need to be one and could instead not wasted its time with that and just made something like Hitman.
Pretty much all GTA games have a more memorable and realized open world then MGSV can even dream of.
MGSV’s open world is as interesting as a Koei Tecmo creation.
Let’s land the Hellio out of the way, at the furthest point away from the mission area because I like being in and traversing this open world...said no one while playing MGSV.
Post by: nachobro on September 19, 2019, 01:17:46 PM
other than that there's no requirement to be in the open world. if you want it to be like hitman just call a chopper as soon as you complete the objective and then you're good to go.
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2019, 01:21:08 PM
During IV pre-release they hyped up Hitman-esque ways to take out enemies but there was only really one way to proceed. Compared to III for instance, where you're tasked with assassinating Salvatore and you had so many ways to accomplish it, the series has actually regressed in terms of mission freedom. Using GTA as an example of mission freedom against MGSV won't work well.
Post by: paprikastaude on September 19, 2019, 01:28:15 PM
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 19, 2019, 01:31:37 PM
MGSV drops you off in pointless land mass that you don’t give a shit about that you have to trudge through to get to the mission area. Which then after that you will get close to the mission area and do your actual planning. But first you had to do awesome busy work of traveling through a bland open world. Why even have this?
The fact that your telling me that I don’t have to spend my time in the open world and can just ignore it, in an open world game is pretty damning.
I did do that, that’s why I think the game is a shitty open works game.
Post by: nachobro on September 19, 2019, 01:42:12 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
nah it's mostly empty but i had fun fucking around with dudes in the mini encampments and such
[close]
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 19, 2019, 01:42:29 PM
GTA has lacked multiple ways to carry out mission objective since at least San Andreas.uh I wasn’t using GTA as an example of mission freedom. It’s gotten more and more limited since 3. With Red Dead 2 being one of the most limiting games out there by Rockstar.
During IV pre-release they hyped up Hitman-esque ways to take out enemies but there was only really one way to proceed. Compared to III for instance, where you're tasked with assassinating Salvatore and you had so many ways to accomplish it, the series has actually regressed in terms of mission freedom. Using GTA as an example of mission freedom against MGSV won't work well.
I was using it as an example of an actual crafted virtual world that dosent bore me as a place. That I don’t ask why I’m here.
Post by: Nintex on September 20, 2019, 05:52:04 PM
*drags corpse to bathroom*
*is spotted by the KGB*
*calls in airstrike*
*detonates carefully placed C4 to bring down guard towers*
"LIKE A REBEL YELLLLLL"
BRING THE LEGEND BACK TO LIFE
Post by: eleuin on September 20, 2019, 06:22:54 PM
Post by: bluemax on September 20, 2019, 11:20:24 PM
Post by: Himu on September 21, 2019, 12:00:24 AM
https://twitter.com/Neo_Bomberman/status/1174851445453012992
I mean, Kojima has made great woman characters before? Sniper Wolf, Naomi, Mei Ling, The Boss are all good characters. He has just regressed somehow.
Post by: Don Rumata on September 21, 2019, 05:42:56 AM
The only difference is that his sexualization of female characters is generally less comedic than his sexualization of male ones.
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2019, 05:54:12 AM
:lol
Post by: Raist on September 21, 2019, 01:33:25 PM
The reality is he wrote some good male characters and some good female characters, and then some shit male and female characters, but that won't get you any likes/retweets. :doge
The only difference is that his sexualization of female characters is generally less comedic than his sexualization of male ones.
I mean, that's true generally. Even without any sort of intent, naked men are generally seen as funnier than women.
Post by: Trent Dole on September 22, 2019, 01:17:15 AM
This minute long trailer makes it looks like an actual game, but the TGS stuff made it kind of not.
Post by: Himu on September 22, 2019, 01:28:59 AM
https://twitter.com/Kojima_Hideo/status/1175577723554734081
This minute long trailer makes it looks like an actual game, but the TGS stuff made it kind of not.
You mean the trailer with no gameplay?
Post by: bluemax on September 24, 2019, 12:00:47 AM
https://twitter.com/Neo_Bomberman/status/1174851445453012992
I mean, Kojima has made great woman characters before? Sniper Wolf, Naomi, Mei Ling, The Boss are all good characters. He has just regressed somehow.
"Most Kojima hates women" writers will argue that those characters are also not particularly good from a non male perspective.
Post by: kingv on September 24, 2019, 12:05:31 AM
Post by: Himu on September 24, 2019, 02:55:02 AM
https://twitter.com/Neo_Bomberman/status/1174851445453012992
I mean, Kojima has made great woman characters before? Sniper Wolf, Naomi, Mei Ling, The Boss are all good characters. He has just regressed somehow.
"Most Kojima hates women" writers will argue that those characters are also not particularly good from a non male perspective.
They're about as good as the rest of male cast so a complaint like that makes no sense.
Post by: Akala on September 30, 2019, 09:01:49 AM
Post by: kingv on September 30, 2019, 09:09:56 AM
Also, I know one of my friends will buy it so I will be able to check out the collectible
Post by: Don Rumata on September 30, 2019, 11:11:41 AM
I thought about the special edition, but what the hell Am I going to do with a fake baby in a jar? The hand from 5 was actually pretty cool though.Fake?!
Also, I know one of my friends will buy it so I will be able to check out the collectible
Post by: nachobro on October 01, 2019, 10:45:07 AM
Post by: chronovore on October 02, 2019, 01:38:24 AM
Post by: bluemax on October 02, 2019, 01:57:28 AM
Who am I kidding...
Post by: Don Rumata on October 02, 2019, 11:15:43 AM
NGL, I experience weird jealousy how this guy gets treated like an auteur for turning in games with incoherent stories and iffy controls.Stories aside, MGS 1, 2 and 3 are pretty genius from a design perspective, and certainly unique, not to mention influential.
Above that though, the guy certainly knows how to hustle and build his ("KOJIMA") brand, which is really what sets him apart from other talented guys like Michel Ancel or whoever else.
Hidetaka Miyazaki could've learned a thing or two from him in that regard, even though the fans did some of the work for him.
I was thinking about this in comparison to R*, because in some interview the Houser brothers mentioned they didn't want their name to feature front and center, as they really wanted to build the "Rockstar" brand above all.
It's really the opposite approach to someone who literally called the company with his own name.
Theoretically, you could buy Rockstar from them and lose 0 brand value in the public eye, but you can't buy Kojima Productions from Kojima, without rendering it pointless.
Post by: TEEEPO on October 02, 2019, 07:07:49 PM
Post by: naff on October 02, 2019, 07:41:09 PM
Post by: kingv on October 02, 2019, 07:57:27 PM
Post by: Don Rumata on October 02, 2019, 08:08:46 PM
chvrches being involved gives me very little confidence and even though it's based on conjecture, kojima seems to be unfocused. time is only so limited and the last time he was splitting it between overseeing his own studio and all the pressers and shit lead to easily his worst game and this go around he's whoring it up with a bunch of celebrities so the odds are strong with this game being shit. i hope i'm wrong, i really do.MGSV was already an incoherent mess, despite the great core gameplay.
Although this time he doesn't have the "Fuck Konami" shield on his side.
Post by: Akala on October 02, 2019, 08:23:30 PM
Post by: kingv on October 02, 2019, 08:27:30 PM
Opening scene was good.
Volgin was good
Bosses were mostly good.
Part where you kill all your troops was good.
Kiefer was dumb as was revolver ocelot new voice.
But for some reason the part in that game that sticks with me the most is like what I remember as a 20 minute codec conversation about hamburgers.
Post by: shosta on October 02, 2019, 08:32:24 PM
Post by: Chooky on October 02, 2019, 08:39:25 PM
i'll still pick it up at some point tho
Post by: bluemax on October 03, 2019, 12:35:38 AM
chvrches being involved gives me very little confidence and even though it's based on conjecture, kojima seems to be unfocused. time is only so limited and the last time he was splitting it between overseeing his own studio and all the pressers and shit lead to easily his worst game and this go around he's whoring it up with a bunch of celebrities so the odds are strong with this game being shit. i hope i'm wrong, i really do.
This is what a lot of game directors do after a certain point on the game. They don't write code or script missions or regress bugs or fix textures or tighten up animations etc etc. So they either do press stuff or they "play test" the game and yell at the people who do all the actual work. The dev team is probably working on the Day 1 patch that actually finishes the game. There's almost nothing productive for someone like Kojima to do at this stage.
Post by: chronovore on October 03, 2019, 12:41:34 AM
NGL, I experience weird jealousy how this guy gets treated like an auteur for turning in games with incoherent stories and iffy controls.Stories aside, MGS 1, 2 and 3 are pretty genius from a design perspective, and certainly unique, not to mention influential.
Above that though, the guy certainly knows how to hustle and build his ("KOJIMA") brand, which is really what sets him apart from other talented guys like Michel Ancel or whoever else.
Hidetaka Miyazaki could've learned a thing or two from him in that regard, even though the fans did some of the work for him.
I was thinking about this in comparison to R*, because in some interview the Houser brothers mentioned they didn't want their name to feature front and center, as they really wanted to build the "Rockstar" brand above all.
It's really the opposite approach to someone who literally called the company with his own name.
Theoretically, you could buy Rockstar from them and lose 0 brand value in the public eye, but you can't buy Kojima Productions from Kojima, without rendering it pointless.
It's OK with me that people like stuff that I don't like. It's just weird that the overseas Otaku contingent is full-on "KOJIMA-SAMA" when it's clear this guy would rather be directing movies, from the amount of cutscenes he puts in his games, and the damned controls are just bad. FWIW, I also hated Resident Evil/Biohazard's remote-control-car scheme, and that game has had no trouble getting on without my support.
Post by: Don Rumata on October 03, 2019, 06:05:57 AM
Or to be more precise, the controls worked perfectly fine in MGS1, then became outdated and convoluted in MGS 2-3-4, but then MGS5 went back to controlling just fine.
And i think the cutscene thing got a bit better after the abomination that was 4, but regardless, despite his love for movies and his desire to make them, he still puts enough uniqueness into the game design side of things, to make that statement unfair.
I don't think the problem's that he wants to make movies, but that he succumbs to the classic Anime issue of over explaining everything 50 times, so you end up with 30 minutes of stock footage about the cold war.
Regardless of the final result, more thought is put into making his games play in unique ways, than something that just takes a template and slaps a cinematic pass into it, like Order 1886 or whatever.
Then again, i'm also fine with games like David Cage's (writing quality aside) because i think there's plenty of space for hybrid experiences anyway.
That said, i also can't stand the cult of Kojima and am deeply annoyed by the whole Silent Hills bullshit, which i'm glad Konami got to kill before it was too late. :doge
Post by: Svejk on October 03, 2019, 10:39:02 AM
Post by: Svejk on October 03, 2019, 01:01:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOI3ZXjfy1I&feature=youtu.be
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Still excited.
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Post by: kingv on October 03, 2019, 01:33:33 PM
Post by: TEEEPO on October 03, 2019, 02:23:45 PM
chvrches being involved gives me very little confidence and even though it's based on conjecture, kojima seems to be unfocused. time is only so limited and the last time he was splitting it between overseeing his own studio and all the pressers and shit lead to easily his worst game and this go around he's whoring it up with a bunch of celebrities so the odds are strong with this game being shit. i hope i'm wrong, i really do.
This is what a lot of game directors do after a certain point on the game. They don't write code or script missions or regress bugs or fix textures or tighten up animations etc etc. So they either do press stuff or they "play test" the game and yell at the people who do all the actual work. The dev team is probably working on the Day 1 patch that actually finishes the game. There's almost nothing productive for someone like Kojima to do at this stage.
(https://i.redd.it/zhl70bb6a1i01.png)
Post by: Akala on October 03, 2019, 02:26:01 PM
Post by: Chooky on October 03, 2019, 03:32:51 PM
Well, I'm stoked. Only games of his I didn't enjoy that much, were Boktai and Peace Walker. Everything else has been well worth my time. :yeshrug
aw fuck no :steiner
Post by: Svejk on October 03, 2019, 04:58:35 PM
Post by: paprikastaude on October 03, 2019, 05:18:49 PM
Post by: Chooky on October 03, 2019, 07:25:51 PM
the sequel removed the sun feature. never played either though.
?? boktai 2 still had the solar sensor. it relied on it way more than 1, too. dunno about 3 bc it was never translated.
wait, do you mean lunar knights, the ds reboot? that game wasn't that great.
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 04, 2019, 01:39:18 AM
Asking for a friend
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 04, 2019, 03:24:52 AM
Will this game have a slightly attractive girl that they totally sex up so you can ogle at her?Yeah. That chick with the invisible baby.
Asking for a friend
Post by: chronovore on October 04, 2019, 06:08:36 AM
Will this game have a slightly attractive girl that they totally sex up so you can ogle at her?
Asking for a friend
It's a Kojima game, so: yes.
Post by: Don Rumata on October 04, 2019, 06:16:06 AM
:larryWill this game have a slightly attractive girl that they totally sex up so you can ogle at her?Yeah. That chick with the invisible baby.
Asking for a friend
I'd rather they sex up Lča. ::)
Post by: kingv on October 04, 2019, 08:01:16 AM
Will this game have a slightly attractive girl that they totally sex up so you can ogle at her?
Asking for a friend
It's a Kojima game, so: yes.
Kojima-Sama!
:rejoice
Post by: Svejk on October 04, 2019, 11:50:36 AM
Post by: Svejk on October 08, 2019, 11:27:33 PM
Post by: Svejk on October 10, 2019, 11:53:31 AM
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Yep, Death Stranding gave me nightmares! Never in my 20-something years of gaming have I ever felt so hopeless and lost while playing a videogame. And it has nothing to do with the game mechanics, but the world itself. Death Stranding’s environments are nightmare inducing. The world of Death Stranding is indeed a strange one. Imagine this:
You are wondering a almost barren alien planet with no knowledge of what kind of life it harbours. It’s a massive open world with wide open spaces and you are completely exposed. As night falls you begin to hear creepy sounds but you have no idea what they are. You try to look around for signs of danger but a thick mist slowly begins to suffocate your site. The sound gets louder and you strain your eyes to see if you can see something and, lo and behold, there seems to be something floating in the mist, and towards you, I might add. I don’t know what this is, I don’t know what to do, I just freak out and toss the controller over to my friend. That’s my experience in a nutshell.
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Death Stranding’s environment is one of the scariest and immersive I’ve ever experienced in a videogame. Although the world may seem barren and void of life, it never feels like you are truly alone… and it is terrifying. You don’t know what will pop out from where and it feels like there is this larger than life presence constantly watching you through the friggen’ clouds! It feels like Hideo Kojima took the Silent Hills vibe and injected it with steroids.:phil
I’m calling it now, it will win Game of the Year. But I may need to find someone to keep me company while I play through it. The game has literally traumatised me; I had a nightmare about being stuck on an alien planet after only 15 minutes of game time… and I don’t even think it’s supposed to be a survival horror! Perhaps I was just so terrified because I was thrown randomly into the middle of the game with no context, no idea of story, or explanations of the game’s many beings.
It's almost here...
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/dVuaiKbihwlS8/giphy.gif)
Post by: Don Rumata on October 10, 2019, 12:03:21 PM
Where they describe the most mundane shit, like they're landing on the moon.
Post by: Svejk on October 10, 2019, 12:14:32 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/4T9bCTXywX7wSdiSf2/giphy.gif)
Probably the same nutcup pussies that couldn't finish PT or REVII demos because they were "too scary."
Post by: kingv on October 10, 2019, 02:07:32 PM
Post by: Svejk on October 11, 2019, 04:19:20 PM
Post by: bork on October 24, 2019, 12:04:33 AM
Post by: HardcoreRetro on October 24, 2019, 04:44:25 AM
Post by: chronovore on October 25, 2019, 03:54:22 AM
Can I put down the capsule baby and piss on it?It's required in an early mission.
Post by: Svejk on October 25, 2019, 07:36:55 AM
Post by: kingv on October 25, 2019, 12:35:51 PM
Post by: headwalk on October 28, 2019, 08:42:55 AM
Post by: MMaRsu on October 28, 2019, 09:30:40 AM
Post by: Rufus on October 28, 2019, 09:31:34 AM
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2019, 09:39:29 AM
Calling it: EGS exclusive for a year. :marimo
EGS Exclusive!!!*
*Also on Game Pass
Post by: Svejk on October 28, 2019, 09:48:31 AM
Post by: thisismyusername on October 28, 2019, 10:05:31 AM
:ufup If any of y'all are gonna play a PC game next Summer, it should be Cyberpunk 2077, not DS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqgSO8_cRio
Post by: Trent Dole on October 28, 2019, 10:31:36 AM
Post by: nachobro on October 28, 2019, 10:39:24 AM
:ufup If any of y'all are gonna play a PC game next Summer, it should be Cyberpunk 2077, not DS.cyberpunk is out in spring so that leaves summer free :D
Post by: Svejk on October 28, 2019, 10:51:24 AM
Post by: Trent Dole on October 28, 2019, 01:27:28 PM
Post by: TEEEPO on October 29, 2019, 01:37:40 AM
Post by: Don Rumata on October 29, 2019, 02:01:48 AM
lol at waiting over half a year to play this gameIt's not you're waiting, still, in an empty room.
There's other games to play, other stuff to do :lol.
It's only a problem if you really care about getting spoiled, which for a game like this one, i guess it could be a factor.
Post by: Svejk on October 29, 2019, 11:06:52 AM
It's only a problem if you really care about getting spoiled, which for a game like this one, i guess it could be a factor.Through the insane amount of memes that will most likely spawn from this game, I think more will be spoiled than one would like.
On a side note, Kojima confirmed he's already well into development for his next project. Fingers crossed it's another new IP and not a sequel to DS.
Post by: Svejk on October 29, 2019, 11:48:25 AM
Times: 14:45 CET | 13:45 UK | 09:45 NY | 06:45 LA, SF | 22:45
Countdown to launch... trailer :doge
https://www.twitch.tv/kojimaproductions
Post by: Svejk on October 30, 2019, 10:43:42 AM
Edit: just watched it.. some possible spoilers.. proceed with caution
Hype remains for me
Post by: Don Rumata on October 30, 2019, 12:01:24 PM
I found it a bit odd that they used old gameplay footage from other trailers (like him walking in the snow) in this one though.
Also funny how during the cast reveal at the end, every single character is crying. I expect BIG melodrama.
Post by: Raist on October 31, 2019, 10:16:01 AM
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 31, 2019, 03:06:56 PM
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 31, 2019, 04:08:21 PM
Post by: shosta on October 31, 2019, 04:21:03 PM
Post by: BisMarckie on October 31, 2019, 04:22:55 PM
AMERICA IS A LIE
NEVER BE GAME OVER
410,757,864,530 DEAD LANDLORDS
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2019, 09:45:52 PM
me watching eight minute long trailer full of narration: :whatisthis
spoiler (click to show/hide)
i liked the part when he randomly wandered into world war i
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Post by: bluemax on October 31, 2019, 09:47:52 PM
Totally gonna wait on this one. After the one two punch of MGSIV and MGSV Kojima is on a permanent "Wait and see" status. I'll still get it, but the question is if I wait til it's $30, $20, $10, $5?
All Sony published games drop by 1/2 1 year after release. So you have that to look forward to.
Post by: bluemax on October 31, 2019, 10:31:07 PM
Sounds ZZZ
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2019, 10:46:09 PM
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BB will get upset and cry if you keep tripping, resulting in him crying and giving away your positionthen Lakitu will swoop down and grab him reducing your stars!
Post by: thisismyusername on October 31, 2019, 10:47:26 PM
Totally gonna wait on this one. After the one two punch of MGSIV and MGSV Kojima is on a permanent "Wait and see" status. I'll still get it, but the question is if I wait til it's $30, $20, $10, $5?
All Sony published games drop by 1/2 1 year after release. So you have that to look forward to.
End of Gen is coming up, so even faster.
Post by: Svejk on October 31, 2019, 10:53:58 PM
Post by: kingv on October 31, 2019, 11:59:34 PM
Post by: bluemax on November 01, 2019, 12:46:47 AM
Post by: Raist on November 01, 2019, 04:28:41 AM
Post by: Nintex on November 01, 2019, 05:04:33 AM
:lol
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 01, 2019, 06:00:00 AM
Post by: Don Rumata on November 01, 2019, 06:05:46 AM
Post by: bork on November 01, 2019, 07:31:48 AM
Post by: bork on November 01, 2019, 07:41:05 AM
https://www.hardcoregamer.com/2019/11/01/review-death-stranding/361044/
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Death Stranding is a cerebral experience that isn’t fun. It’s a 45-hour monotonous slog that backloads everything engaging into the final act. Mission after mission we are mistreated to same old delivery formula, with a couple of fetch quests thrown in for good measure. It just doesn’t respect your time; where a game such as Red Dead Redemption 2 is dense with content, Death Stranding is void of anything to do outside of going from point A to point B.
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If Death Stranding wasn’t so padded out it could have been something special; instead, we’re left with a repetitive letdown that’s far more enjoyable to watch than play.
https://powerup-gaming.com/2019/11/01/death-stranding-review-very-silent-hills/
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Even trailers and marketing materials offered little in the way of explaining what Death Stranding was. Finally, after playing over 50-hours of Death Stranding, I know what kind of game Kojima has made.
A terrible one.
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Death Stranding is so bad I don’t really know where to begin.
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Part walking simulator, part open-world exploration, part third-person shooter, Death Stranding is the MOST boring, mind-numbingly torturous game I’ve ever played. Not to mention that its narrative is a jumbled mess of pseudo-scientific spirituality that folds in on itself so many times as to be unintelligible.
As Sam Porter, players are tasked by the President to reconnect the United Cities of America, following the Death Stranding, through the power of…package delivery?
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Death Stranding doesn’t have great or even good gameplay to fall back on. It too is very, very boring. As a Porter, connecting the United Cities of America, Sam has to make deliveries. This amounts to fetch quest after fetch quest after fetch quest. Death Stranding is literally nothing but fetch quests. And to compound matters, it features inventory management that is aggressively geared towards weight limits.
Who doesn’t love item management, over encumbrance and fetch quests?
:nugenix
The one at stevivor.com currently isn't loading. "Stevivor?" :lol
https://twitter.com/Stevivor/status/1190161991488245760
Post by: Svejk on November 01, 2019, 08:16:41 AM
Only thing every review I've seen is consistent about, is that they say the game's not for everyone. Sounds like every video game ever made. :heyman
Post by: bork on November 01, 2019, 08:31:39 AM
Bruh... IGN? :doge ... And who the fuck is Stevivor and why does his opinion matter?? :doge
Only thing every review I've seen is consistent about, is that they say the game's not for everyone. Sounds like every video game ever made. :heyman
LOLZ aside, when I see them saying it's repetitive and dull, and comments like "this game is 80 hours and doesn't start getting good until at least 8 hours in," that's a good sign to wait and see what more people think about it and not get it on day one.
Post by: nachobro on November 01, 2019, 08:32:40 AM
Post by: bork on November 01, 2019, 08:33:44 AM
thats what people said about red dead 2 and that's an amazing game. i got 6 months or whatever to wait though so i'll just let console people do the exploration work on this game for me. :D
Red Dead 2 apparently shits all over this.
Post by: Rufus on November 01, 2019, 08:36:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltYRUvBiZ0k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltYRUvBiZ0k)Jeff is mad af.
'Make the subtext text - the game' :lol
Post by: bork on November 01, 2019, 08:38:45 AM
Game Informer - 7/10
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Try as it might, Death Stranding’s story doesn’t shore up its faults. It’s the normal Kojima mix of twists-and-turns, tropes, and overbearing themes, but at least I like that it explores real-world topics like the theory of multiple dimensions and key events in the history of the planet’s biodiversity. Like Sam himself, I often wasn’t sure why I kept going in Death Stranding. Maybe there was a little bit of pride in another task checked off the list, another job done. Unfortunately, this added up to little reward in the end.
Metro GameCentral - 7/10
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Taken as a whole, Death Stranding is an awkward mishmash of ideas, some of which work exactly as intended and others of which feel entirely out of place. At 40+ hours it overstays its welcome but it’s still a fascinating journey to take, with Kojima being the only video games auteur who can still command a large budget and use it to create something that isn’t just pandering to mainstream tastes.
GamesRadar+ - 3.5/5
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There is an okay experience here, filled with a scrapbooking hokum of afterlife mythology and pseudoscience, with a cast of likeable if bluntly literal characters but it’s a game that, ironically, is easily lost in its lengthy delivery.
USGamer - 3.5/5
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Death Stranding might be Kojima's boldest game to date. It may also be his most tedious. Either way, its originality outweighs its sometimes exhausting structure and poor pacing... but only just. Maybe not a game I would recommend to everyone, but certainly one of the most interesting games of 2019.
VG24/7 - 3/5
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If you do manage to hold out, you will be rewarded with flashes of brilliance, it’s just that those flashes are buried as deep as the core story is buried in the endless dialogue. And as profound as it wants to be, this is still a game in which you can equip and unequip your penis so you can piss out Red Bull. The good stuff is waiting for you beyond that piss, beyond the shit grenades, beyond that Ride with Norman Reedus advert unceremoniously plastered into a game universe where I didn’t see a single television set. It’s just a test of attrition.
PowerUp - 3/10
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There’s a moment that sees you literally wait as a timer counts down three realtime minutes. For what purpose? I have no idea but like everything else in Death Stranding it made me roll my eyes with boredom. Death Stranding is clearly a labour of love for Kojima and his team but I hate it. Games don’t need to be fun, exciting, happy or cool but they should at least be entertaining. Death Stranding is not entertaining. As such, it fails as a video game, it fails as a narrative and it fails overall.
Post by: nachobro on November 01, 2019, 08:39:38 AM
Red Dead 2 apparently shits all over this.well rdr2 may be my favorite game of the generation so i can accept that. but hearing that dan ryckert (who HATED rdr2) rates rdr2 over DS is a bit worrying. :lol
Post by: Rman on November 01, 2019, 08:39:43 AM
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 01, 2019, 08:44:47 AM
Post by: Svejk on November 01, 2019, 08:53:17 AM
However, this game better not be 80 hours average... I got too many games to play. I don't need another girthy game like AC: Odyssey was. fak
Post by: bork on November 01, 2019, 09:02:06 AM
See, R2R2... I have no desire to play it, because I don't care for westerns... Not for me... Doesn't mean it's not a great game. Hence, this game won't be for everyone.
I mean...you're playing this game as a dude "roaming the range" and shit.
However, this game better not be 80 hours average... I got too many games to play. I don't need another girthy game like AC: Odyssey was. fak
Youtube the cut scenes.
:itagaki
Post by: Svejk on November 01, 2019, 09:15:08 AM
Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2019, 09:29:09 AM
Jeff and Brad indicated quite a few hours of futzing around.
The technical analysis they did was very helpful. Good to know there are lots of resolutions on screen in the game, potentially thousands of pixels. Many good types of framerates too.
Post by: Rufus on November 01, 2019, 09:30:02 AM
:ryker
Post by: nachobro on November 01, 2019, 09:37:51 AM
one way or another this game is gonna be interesting :lol
Post by: Akala on November 01, 2019, 09:55:45 AM
Post by: bork on November 01, 2019, 10:03:35 AM
If it comes to that, I just want to be able to b-line the main story if need be. No level grinding like AC: Odyssey. That shit was annoying.
Doesn't sound fun if you're already thinking about ways to make it less of a grind and power through the game. :doge
Post by: Coffee Dog on November 01, 2019, 10:26:35 AM
I was worried all the reviews would be giving it the Kojima scaled 90-100 and I'd have to play a big open shootemup with glaring issues like MGSV. But it actually seems committed to the premise of being a package delivery man with all the monotony and simple beauty that entails.
I'm actually more excited than I've ever been for this game. Kojima made a turbo high budget Fedex sim that made everybody mad.
Post by: Rman on November 01, 2019, 10:36:40 AM
Post by: Svejk on November 01, 2019, 10:48:43 AM
Witcher 3 still remains GOTG for me, but at a certain point, I b-lined the main story too... and didn't regret doing that one bit. I already had 80-90ish hours invested... I needed to move onto the next game (MGSV at the time). My gaming time/schedule is more important than gaming itself.... if that makes any sense.If it comes to that, I just want to be able to b-line the main story if need be. No level grinding like AC: Odyssey. That shit was annoying.
Doesn't sound fun if you're already thinking about ways to make it less of a grind and power through the game. :doge
My personal problem is that I like these "longer" type games, but my lifestyle doesn't agree with them. I roll that way now. :yeshrug
Post by: Trent Dole on November 01, 2019, 10:51:51 AM
Post by: kingv on November 01, 2019, 10:57:47 AM
Post by: Svejk on November 01, 2019, 11:03:37 AM
IGN US - 6.8/10
IGN Japan - 9.5/10
IGN Italy - 9.6/10
IGN Spain - 8.7/10
IGN South Africa - 9/10
IGN Germany - 7.9
IGN Poland - 7.6
IGN Latin America - 9.8
IGN Brazil - 9.0
:usacry
Post by: nachobro on November 01, 2019, 11:08:38 AM
brad from GB really making the game mechanics sound unappealing lol
Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2019, 11:15:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9sTIaVSofc
11:45 is a pretty quality recreation of Brad/Jeff's high end technical analysis for those with less patience
Post by: Coffee Dog on November 01, 2019, 11:18:04 AM
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/372503124226867203/639843082942283810/unknown.png)
brad from GB really making the game mechanics sound unappealing lol
Unappealling? You have to hold the button to keep a handheld package in your hand. If you want to stop holding the button, you have to set the package down. That sounds like a hilarious incentive for keeping your hands free.
It reminds me of Red Dead 2 a lot. The first few hours of that game had me drawing my gun accidentally as well, though in Death Stranding the complexity of the controls seems more intentional given how many mechanics affect them.
Post by: nachobro on November 01, 2019, 11:28:19 AM
edit: yeah this game sounds like a blast
https://twitter.com/agentbizzle/status/1190280391229181957
Post by: Rufus on November 01, 2019, 11:41:37 AM
beautiful nonsense gameplay in JapaneseThe servos in the exoskeleton make a horrendous racket. That alone would drive me insane. :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9sTIaVSofc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9sTIaVSofc)
11:45 is a pretty quality recreation of Brad/Jeff's high end technical analysis for those with less patience
Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2019, 11:49:59 AM
Also nobody seems to mention that it's been seen before. Prey? Souls series?
Sounds like the game has a Kojima™ clusterfuck pile-up final act. I think it was Eurogamer guy mentioned that it continues through and past the credits but only makes things more confusing and less relevant to anything you did during the game. :delicious
Post by: kingv on November 01, 2019, 11:54:33 AM
This almost seems to be MGS5 without the combat. Like the whole game is just traversing empty Afghanistan.
Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2019, 11:59:38 AM
A number of reviews mention that combat outside of the bosses is basically unnecessary unless you're exploring and doing all the side-quests. And even then it's sometimes smarter to just run.
The whole visual design and connectivity thing is compelling but it really sounds like it needs another iteration where there's more ideas for gameplay outside of delivering stuff. The Postman comparisons are fascinating to me because I felt the same way about that movie visually and world design but it similarly was boring and plot clusterfuck. (And to a lesser extent, Waterworld! Get me Costner for the improved sequel!)
Post by: Eel O'Brian on November 01, 2019, 12:07:55 PM
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Games don't need to be fun2019 video game philosophy
Post by: Rman on November 01, 2019, 12:11:53 PM
Game sounds like a slog.
Kojima's Hollywood fantasies need to come to an end. Just become a filmmaker already if that's what you want to do.
Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2019, 12:24:24 PM
QuoteGames don't need to be fun2019 video game philosophy
So I'm not getting the high scores here then. When you read the text of the higher scored reviews, it's the same issues with the lower scored reviews lol.Please understand.
Post by: BlueTsunami on November 01, 2019, 12:27:45 PM
Post by: kingv on November 01, 2019, 12:34:06 PM
Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2019, 12:54:49 PM
:jeb
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 01, 2019, 01:37:25 PM
Post by: shosta on November 01, 2019, 01:39:51 PM
Post by: Rufus on November 01, 2019, 01:52:54 PM
10 minutes into this and I'm definitely watching the rest after he called the game "the Gran Turismo of walking simulators." :lol
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 01, 2019, 01:53:31 PM
isn't the whole game just holding packages though?
edit: yeah this game sounds like a blast
https://twitter.com/agentbizzle/status/1190280391229181957
You don't have to get up to turn off your PS4, more fake news attacks on a totally perfect videogame. :trumps
Post by: bork on November 01, 2019, 01:53:34 PM
https://twitter.com/nathan_brown/status/1190182964530991104
:ryker
https://twitter.com/nathan_brown/status/1190183693840769024
Post by: Svejk on November 01, 2019, 01:56:37 PM
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 01, 2019, 02:02:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZHUY-nVXKU
10 minutes into this and I'm definitely watching the rest after he called the game "the Gran Turismo of walking simulators." :lol
This was a highly entertaining video to watch with my morning coffee. It also works well as a podcast for most of it.
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 01, 2019, 02:09:28 PM
Like.. is this supposed to be praise?
http://www.pushsquare.com/reviews/ps4/death_strandingQuoteThe most important factor you'll have to consider as you deliver packages is weight. Sam, played by The Walking Dead star Norman Reedus, can only carry so much on his back so you'll need to work out a method of distributing the burden effectively. Piling it high is always an option, but that means our protagonist will constantly be off-balance as the cargo swings from side to side in the wind. You could attach some items to Sam's suit, which in turn makes him slower as he lugs about more than just his own body mass. Or you could opt to carry a couple of objects with your hands, which takes away a couple of interactive actions away from you. That's thanks to the L2 and R2 buttons having to be held for the entire trek to ensure you don’t drop them.
Striking a balance between the three options is key to making a successful delivery, otherwise the load will be damaged the more you drop it. It's a fascinating, incredible set of mechanics that serve as a perfect introduction to Death Stranding. You're made to think about what you will be taking with you as soon as the first order comes through, making for a weight management mini-game that competes with the very best: the inventory sorting of Resident Evil 4.
Sounds like a super niche thing that some people will just love. I think it's an interesting user experience from a purely research and design perspective, but whether it's ultimately a good one is another question. Also, it's often hard to understand why people like things we don't. I mean, I don't get the fascination with pastry stouts.
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 01, 2019, 02:13:25 PM
I'm currently working as a user researcher for a small gaming startup, btw.
Like.. is this supposed to be praise?
http://www.pushsquare.com/reviews/ps4/death_strandingQuoteThe most important factor you'll have to consider as you deliver packages is weight. Sam, played by The Walking Dead star Norman Reedus, can only carry so much on his back so you'll need to work out a method of distributing the burden effectively. Piling it high is always an option, but that means our protagonist will constantly be off-balance as the cargo swings from side to side in the wind. You could attach some items to Sam's suit, which in turn makes him slower as he lugs about more than just his own body mass. Or you could opt to carry a couple of objects with your hands, which takes away a couple of interactive actions away from you. That's thanks to the L2 and R2 buttons having to be held for the entire trek to ensure you don’t drop them.
Striking a balance between the three options is key to making a successful delivery, otherwise the load will be damaged the more you drop it. It's a fascinating, incredible set of mechanics that serve as a perfect introduction to Death Stranding. You're made to think about what you will be taking with you as soon as the first order comes through, making for a weight management mini-game that competes with the very best: the inventory sorting of Resident Evil 4.
Sounds like a super niche thing that some people will just love. I think it's an interesting user experience, but whether it's ultimately a good one is another question. Also, it's often hard to understand why people like things we don't. I mean, I don't get the fascination with pastry stouts.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 01, 2019, 02:25:00 PM
You know, game user experience is still a relatively new field quite different from QA and not widely used in the industry. I'm curious if Kojima Productions does any of that at all. He seems like the kind of guy that only cares about his personal vision and doesn't really think about UX.
I'm currently working as a user researcher for a small gaming startup, btw.
Interesting; UX is such a tricky field in general, I've seen UX design based on extensive surveying that once unleashed on the surveyed users everyone hated.
It is definitely tricky, I think a lot of times people go into the process with solutions already in their mind and then the design is driven by those assumptions and pre-conceived solutions. Surveying alone isn't super insightful, need to do one on one interviews, field studies, user testing, etc. It can also be problematic if you don't do your due diligence about proper recruiting and population sampling.
Post by: headwalk on November 01, 2019, 02:42:59 PM
Post by: thetylerrob on November 01, 2019, 03:01:58 PM
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 01, 2019, 03:02:23 PM
Sounds like the kind of thing you'd enjoy if you're into 60s-80s Russian cinema and sci-fi as well as Thomas Pynchon, Haruki Murakami and Kobo Abe books. I know that those are bit out there and boring as fuck for a lot of people, but for some reason I like it all. Guessing this will be my kind of game.
Dude this is a kojima game. It's more like if Michael Bay wanted to make a david lynch movie.
And I say that as a fan of Kojima.
I was talking more about the walking through huge stretches of absolutely nothing going on and weird metaphysical bullshit, but sure your comparison is just as valid.
I like Kojima games. I like all the stuff I referenced earlier. None of that makes me think I'm smarter or better than anyone else.
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 01, 2019, 03:20:00 PM
Never said you did, apologize if my wording made it seem that way.
I'm basically expecting a kojima story, with kojima exposition, and the subtlety of a curb stomp in regards to it's themes repeated ad nauseam. I can deal with that when it's dumb fun japanese GI Joe. But dude attempting something avant garde with gameplay that looks like the most boring fucking thing in the world isn't exactly revving my engines.
Still buying it day one and playing a shitton of it :yeshrug
Nah, no worries, I never got the impression you did, but I know that often people like to pull the "I like this thing so I'm clearly better than all of you and you just don't understand it" and I didn't want anyone to think that was my intent.
Bsides, my wife doesn't give a shit about a lot of the stuff I like and I value her opinion way more. :lol
Post by: TEEEPO on November 01, 2019, 03:26:06 PM
Never said you did, apologize if my wording made it seem that way.
I'm basically expecting a kojima story, with kojima exposition, and the subtlety of a curb stomp in regards to it's themes repeated ad nauseam. I can deal with that when it's dumb fun japanese GI Joe. But dude attempting something avant garde with gameplay that looks like the most boring fucking thing in the world isn't exactly revving my engines.
Still buying it day one and playing a shitton of it :yeshrug
this sums up my feels
day one
Post by: Svejk on November 01, 2019, 03:28:44 PM
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 01, 2019, 03:44:22 PM
Currently my wife refers to this game as "That game with the baby thing".
I can't remember the last game that my wife is even aware of. Probably the stuff my daughter and I play together like KHIII or Dragon Quest Builders 2.
Post by: Tuckers Law on November 01, 2019, 03:44:55 PM
I would say that games need more critics that are capable of critiquing games on a deeper level than "is it fun and good looking and politically inoffensive" but there really aren't enough games around that warrant it. Anyway all the talk about this has actually made me more interested. I like auteur shit though so :shrug emoji.
I hope Tom Chick posts a review of it. Despite my rarely agreeing with his verdicts on games, I’ve always enjoyed his examinations of them.
Post by: Don Rumata on November 01, 2019, 04:11:09 PM
Yeah, Flight Simulator and all other PC slow as shit simulators including THE Walking-Simulator-King, Armed Assault, are all 2019 games. :gurlQuoteGames don't need to be fun2019 video game philosophy
The fact that so many reviewers hate it is basically my sign of approval.
I loved the slower pace of Red Dead Redemption 2, and i think it's their best game yet and should've been even slower.
Mud Runner was one of the best games i tried on the Xbox gamepass thing, and you spend 15 minutes trying to get a 4x4 out of a ditch in that game.
I look forward to an open world map that doesn't feel like Disneyland, for once. :lawd
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 01, 2019, 04:46:41 PM
Post by: BlueTsunami on November 01, 2019, 04:48:52 PM
Post by: thisismyusername on November 01, 2019, 04:55:57 PM
Thanks for beta-testing, PS4 Cucks. :girlaff
Post by: kingv on November 01, 2019, 05:00:38 PM
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 01, 2019, 05:04:20 PM
Post by: thisismyusername on November 01, 2019, 05:14:47 PM
:dead
Would be interesting to find out that the 10 years has just been Konami yelling at Kojima “but where’s the fucking gameplay?!”
It's more that Kojima without checks and balances gets into situations like this or Phantom Pain.
(In Phantom Pain's defense: He was writing a middleware engine for Konami at the time to license/reuse over the course of a generation or two, so a lot of the costs/time taken was on that.
Just read https://www.polygon.com/2019/7/18/20696081/metal-gear-solid-translation-japanese-english-jeremy-blaustein <---Blaustein basically made MGS into a house-hold name with his translation that was blood-sweat-and-tears like Alexander O. Smith's Ivalice translations (but O. Smith had some other S-E translator's helping during his run). What does Kojimbo do after discovering it isn't a dry translation in Integral/MGS: International: VR Job System? Never works with Blaustein again.
And then you can see the vocal change in MGS2. To where folks were "WTF." And then MGS3 had like 2-3 editors of Kojima's story (writers as well, IIRC) for Kojima Productions and that turned out MUUUUCH better than MGS2.
Then 4 happens because most of 3's team leaves again (or was fired because of Kojima?)
I mean it seems pretty simple the answer of why this is "divisive"/being hated is because "Kojima with a blank check and nobody to reign him in is a problem, so Konami was valid in firing him." I guess.
Post by: Raist on November 01, 2019, 06:25:52 PM
Post by: nachobro on November 01, 2019, 07:07:34 PM
i really am going to have to check this out when it hits pc
Post by: MMaRsu on November 01, 2019, 07:49:25 PM
Post by: Nintex on November 01, 2019, 07:59:14 PM
From what I've seen in reviews this game is rough, feels under cooked at times but has potential.
It's a ridiculous grind from start to finish. IGN demonstrated 'fast travel' which involved skipping 6 cut scenes and walking for 10 - 20 minutes.
Post by: Nuitangg on November 01, 2019, 08:01:37 PM
Post by: nachobro on November 01, 2019, 08:01:44 PM
Is this coming to Xbox? Would be the perfect gamepass game.oh didn't think of that! would be nice
Post by: Eel O'Brian on November 01, 2019, 08:06:57 PM
Yeah, Flight Simulator and all other PC slow as shit simulators including THE Walking-Simulator-King, Armed Assault, are all 2019 games. :gurlQuoteGames don't need to be fun2019 video game philosophy
The fact that so many reviewers hate it is basically my sign of approval.
I loved the slower pace of Red Dead Redemption 2, and i think it's their best game yet and should've been even slower.
Mud Runner was one of the best games i tried on the Xbox gamepass thing, and you spend 15 minutes trying to get a 4x4 out of a ditch in that game.
I look forward to an open world map that doesn't feel like Disneyland, for once. :lawd
yes but did you have fun playing those games, slow games can be fun, fun =/= fast colorful explosions
i take issue with the line of thought that games don't need to be fun, or entertaining, or...games
Post by: Eel O'Brian on November 01, 2019, 08:10:08 PM
Post by: Trent Dole on November 01, 2019, 08:23:04 PM
it's not even a waiting for fixes thing. like that tweet timu posted, a game getting such a big gap in scores is something i'm gonna have to try at some point. i just don't have a way to play it atmConsidering that Sony helped fund its development a Bone release seems highly unlikely. Of course since this is a super late gen game a port over to the next round of machines wouldn't surprise me at all and maybe it'd end up on the next X alongside the PS5.Is this coming to Xbox? Would be the perfect gamepass game.oh didn't think of that! would be nice
Post by: thisismyusername on November 01, 2019, 08:44:49 PM
Is this coming to Xbox? Would be the perfect gamepass game.
Doubtful, dude. Maybe PC Gamepass, but not X-box. And that's only if 505 and Sony agreed.
Post by: Don Rumata on November 01, 2019, 09:02:41 PM
That's just an issue with these people having problems explaining things.Yeah, Flight Simulator and all other PC slow as shit simulators including THE Walking-Simulator-King, Armed Assault, are all 2019 games. :gurlQuoteGames don't need to be fun2019 video game philosophy
The fact that so many reviewers hate it is basically my sign of approval.
I loved the slower pace of Red Dead Redemption 2, and i think it's their best game yet and should've been even slower.
Mud Runner was one of the best games i tried on the Xbox gamepass thing, and you spend 15 minutes trying to get a 4x4 out of a ditch in that game.
I look forward to an open world map that doesn't feel like Disneyland, for once. :lawd
yes but did you have fun playing those games, slow games can be fun, fun =/= fast colorful explosions
i take issue with the line of thought that games don't need to be fun, or entertaining, or...games
Silent Hill 2 is my favorite game, but it isn't "fun" in the way Crazy Taxi is fun.
I guess that quote from Druckmann that everybody makes fun of was on point, when he said they want to do "engaging" games, rather than "fun" ones.
There are plenty of fast games that throw shit at your face, that bore me to tears.
All a game (or any piece of media) has to do, is keep your interest, whether it's a 3 hours Tarkovsky movie, or a game of Tetris.
Post by: bork on November 01, 2019, 09:26:03 PM
https://youtu.be/f02GKR7SahQ
Would have day one'd this if this had been the game.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 01, 2019, 10:33:57 PM
Post by: Svejk on November 01, 2019, 11:16:31 PM
you know you can just get a job delivering for amazon and actually make money instead of paying $60 to do itI checked... but Amazon didn't like it when I was throwing piss bombs at people with a baby attached to my chest.
Post by: Eel O'Brian on November 01, 2019, 11:27:41 PM
Post by: bork on November 01, 2019, 11:42:54 PM
you know you can just get a job delivering for amazon and actually make money instead of paying $60 to do itI checked... but Amazon didn't like it when I was throwing piss bombs at people with a baby attached to my chest.
So that's why the package I got yesterday was all wet
:ohhh
Post by: Don Rumata on November 02, 2019, 01:44:48 AM
They're fine with you pissing in bottles though.you know you can just get a job delivering for amazon and actually make money instead of paying $60 to do itI checked... but Amazon didn't like it when I was throwing piss bombs at people with a baby attached to my chest.
Post by: Sho Nuff on November 02, 2019, 02:35:05 AM
Post by: thetylerrob on November 02, 2019, 03:10:42 AM
Listened to the Beastcast. I'm not touching this unless my Boritos heap much praise.Yes, but have you considered that Alex Navarro had a nu-metal chin beard through most of the 2010's and only shaved it when a coworker made fun of it in his presence?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 02, 2019, 03:53:07 AM
Post by: Sho Nuff on November 02, 2019, 04:45:47 AM
Listened to the Beastcast. I'm not touching this unless my Boritos heap much praise.Yes, but have you considered that Alex Navarro had a nu-metal chin beard through most of the 2010's and only shaved it when a coworker made fun of it in his presence?
Yeah, I saw him once on the subway. Didn't say shit because I didn't wanna be that guy
Post by: Occam on November 02, 2019, 08:56:41 AM
Post by: Rman on November 02, 2019, 09:07:02 AM
So it has a metascore of 84 with 73 reviews at the moment, surely they can't all be bought? At least it doesn't sound like a total trainwreck. Personally, not hyped at all about the game and in no hurry to play it, but I'm no Kojima worshipper.
It's not a bad score, but two things.
Kojima's hype machine seems to have done this game no favors. It's not a new genre or experience or whatever he thinks it is. This then caters to the MC hype cycle were anything under a 9 is considered blasphemous.
If you read the text of the review scores, good and mediocre, they are amazingly consistent. I personally don't get a reviewer flatly saying the game is not "fun" yet giving it a perfect score, but whatever.
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2019, 03:30:33 PM
Jeff Gestmann was jokingly calling this American Truck Simulator without the trucks. Yet...Yeah, Flight Simulator and all other PC slow as shit simulators including THE Walking-Simulator-King, Armed Assault, are all 2019 games. :gurl
The fact that so many reviewers hate it is basically my sign of approval.
I loved the slower pace of Red Dead Redemption 2, and i think it's their best game yet and should've been even slower.
Mud Runner was one of the best games i tried on the Xbox gamepass thing, and you spend 15 minutes trying to get a 4x4 out of a ditch in that game.
I look forward to an open world map that doesn't feel like Disneyland, for once. :lawd
yes but did you have fun playing those games, slow games can be fun, fun =/= fast colorful explosions
i take issue with the line of thought that games don't need to be fun, or entertaining, or...games
The Eurogamer reviewer was having trouble thinking of a game to compare it to, purely gameplay wise, and the commenters were making suggestions but none of them struck him as quite right.
Then somebody said they were making a totally off the wall suggestion where the only thing they knew about this game was its description on Wikipedia.
The reviewer said he was hesitant to totally agree because people would be too reductive "but... yes."
Spintires (https://store.steampowered.com/app/263280/Spintires/).
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 02, 2019, 03:51:10 PM
Fun is kind of a narrow perspective ad I'm not sure what it means beyond activity that makes you feel good. To which games have evolved in away that I find many games to be "fun" even if I also think the primary interaction part sucks.
Maybe bad example, but I don't find Asura's Warth to be a fun game as far as gameplay goes. I mean it doesn't offend me, but I would never play the game over obviously a DMC game. But the presentation with the music, art, animation, cinematography, UI, and so on was so good on a "intellectual" level that I really liked the game. I don't mean intellectual as in smarts, I just mean as stimulating my mind. There's a slot of games that stimulate my mind even if the gameplay is only medicore.
I'm not into Silent Hill and the like, but I'm pretty sure its fans experince something similar. Though I don't think they'd describe the gameplay as "fun", yet they probably get some hectic feeling from it. Survival can be a pleasurable feeling too. But I also think that game's mood and presentation does a lot for its fans.
I'm not sure I would describe Red Dead 2 as fun. I found the gameplay not as intrusive as a lot of other people, but I mean it wasn't the best shooting I ever experienced. I also did'nt engage with a lot of it's mechanics as I found them bloated and yet uneeded. As a "game" I'm not sure Red Dead 2 is a good one. But the experince, the attention to detail of the world, the visuals of that bring the creation to life, the audio, everything. Well it was so engaging. I loved it You know what? I simply liked being and walking in that world.
For me I think the the thing is the gameplay can be at least mediocre, it's just other things really have to pick up the slack. But I think games have moved beyond simply having to be fun. A better question is are they engaging and if yes or no, why? Metal Gear Solid V has "fun" gameplay. Great visuals and art. Whatever presentation was good. But I never found it engaging for a whole slew of reasons.
Just like tv, movies, music, books, and comics I think video games have a lot of elements that need to be judged beyond simply asking if they are "fun".
Post by: Svejk on November 02, 2019, 04:14:50 PM
Post by: Don Rumata on November 02, 2019, 04:18:28 PM
That games can offer rewarding experiences beyond the strict interpretation of the word "fun", as in "fast and responsive interaction of a Bayonetta", has been a reality since forever.
Simulators are old as shit, grand strategy games are old as shit, i mean even tabletop games rpgs aren't exactly the kind of fun you'd associate with an arcade experience.
Then there's the problem of classifying fun as depth and complexity of interaction, which already broadens the definition at least, but i guess still excludes all sort of "movie games" or "walking simulators".
Yet point & click adventures have always been just that, with a very thin layer of mediocre "puzzle element" (who the fuck loves those random shitty puzzles in those games?), the real value of those games came form the immersion in a world and a story, that the slower pace could give you, that running and gunning in Duke Nukem couldn't.
It's not really a controversial opinion to think that Silent Hill felt almost closer to a point & click game with some shitty combat tacked on, than a Resident Evil clone, despite their intentions (no inventory limit, no resource management, barely any challenge required; but more interesting world, story and puzzles).
Yet the various Monkey Island and Grim Fandango are considered some of the best games ever made. :doge
All that said, Death Stranding, much like SpinTires/MudRunner, does seem to have a level of depth in its simulation.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 02, 2019, 04:24:12 PM
Edit: Game looks boring as fuck btw.
Post by: Chooky on November 02, 2019, 04:59:20 PM
Post by: Don Rumata on November 02, 2019, 06:15:28 PM
Sounds like a bunch of semantics.It's not just semantics if you use it as genuine critique, though.
Edit: Game looks boring as fuck btw.
Post by: bluemax on November 03, 2019, 01:41:39 AM
You know, game user experience is still a relatively new field quite different from QA and not widely used in the industry. I'm curious if Kojima Productions does any of that at all. He seems like the kind of guy that only cares about his personal vision and doesn't really think about UX.
I'm currently working as a user researcher for a small gaming startup, btw.Like.. is this supposed to be praise?
http://www.pushsquare.com/reviews/ps4/death_strandingQuoteThe most important factor you'll have to consider as you deliver packages is weight. Sam, played by The Walking Dead star Norman Reedus, can only carry so much on his back so you'll need to work out a method of distributing the burden effectively. Piling it high is always an option, but that means our protagonist will constantly be off-balance as the cargo swings from side to side in the wind. You could attach some items to Sam's suit, which in turn makes him slower as he lugs about more than just his own body mass. Or you could opt to carry a couple of objects with your hands, which takes away a couple of interactive actions away from you. That's thanks to the L2 and R2 buttons having to be held for the entire trek to ensure you don’t drop them.
Striking a balance between the three options is key to making a successful delivery, otherwise the load will be damaged the more you drop it. It's a fascinating, incredible set of mechanics that serve as a perfect introduction to Death Stranding. You're made to think about what you will be taking with you as soon as the first order comes through, making for a weight management mini-game that competes with the very best: the inventory sorting of Resident Evil 4.
Sounds like a super niche thing that some people will just love. I think it's an interesting user experience, but whether it's ultimately a good one is another question. Also, it's often hard to understand why people like things we don't. I mean, I don't get the fascination with pastry stouts.
THICC BOIS
CRISPY BOIS
It's a Sony published title. They absolutely do UX research and feedback. Kojima probably doesn't have to listen to it as much as other people might (for better or worse). But there's no way Sony didn't have their most important release of the year go through some kind of testing.
https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1190275520283500545
:deadWould be interesting to find out that the 10 years has just been Konami yelling at Kojima “but where’s the fucking gameplay?!”
It's more that Kojima without checks and balances gets into situations like this or Phantom Pain.
(In Phantom Pain's defense: He was writing a middleware engine for Konami at the time to license/reuse over the course of a generation or two, so a lot of the costs/time taken was on that.
Just read https://www.polygon.com/2019/7/18/20696081/metal-gear-solid-translation-japanese-english-jeremy-blaustein <---Blaustein basically made MGS into a house-hold name with his translation that was blood-sweat-and-tears like Alexander O. Smith's Ivalice translations (but O. Smith had some other S-E translator's helping during his run). What does Kojimbo do after discovering it isn't a dry translation in Integral/MGS: International: VR Job System? Never works with Blaustein again.
And then you can see the vocal change in MGS2. To where folks were "WTF." And then MGS3 had like 2-3 editors of Kojima's story (writers as well, IIRC) for Kojima Productions and that turned out MUUUUCH better than MGS2.
Then 4 happens because most of 3's team leaves again (or was fired because of Kojima?)
I mean it seems pretty simple the answer of why this is "divisive"/being hated is because "Kojima with a blank check and nobody to reign him in is a problem, so Konami was valid in firing him." I guess.
To be incredibly pedantic, Kojima has probably not written a single line of engine code in the last 20+ years (if ever) and crediting him with any technical achievement is incredibly demeaning to the actual programmers who worked on it.
Post by: chronovore on November 03, 2019, 01:54:56 AM
Tempted, but realistically I've got other games I should beat first, so I'll be smart and wait for a price drop.:respect
Post by: Sho Nuff on November 03, 2019, 02:45:01 AM
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 04, 2019, 01:52:14 PM
Post by: Svejk on November 04, 2019, 02:20:27 PM
Still hyped...Bring this shit on...
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/MremVACtqrh8A/giphy.gif)
Post by: bork on November 04, 2019, 02:48:21 PM
I actually read one of the positive reviews (I know... crazy, right?) And the "boring" aspects sound 100% fine with me. For someone that found stacking boxes with a forklift in Shenmue enjoyable and likes to slow walk through games like Horizon, GOW, AC:Odyssey and Hellblade simply to take in everything, this game sounds right up my alley. I don't suffer from adult ADHD and like to soak in the scenery, sounds, study the animations, smell the roses, etc...
Still hyped...Bring this shit on...
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/MremVACtqrh8A/giphy.gif)
(https://dailycaring.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/denialcalvin-hobbes690x400.jpg)
Post by: Svejk on November 04, 2019, 02:56:32 PM
(https://dailycaring.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/denialcalvin-hobbes690x400.jpg)This is sums up the Switch thread as well.
:dice
Post by: thetylerrob on November 04, 2019, 03:24:54 PM
Post by: Svejk on November 04, 2019, 03:32:23 PM
And I’m talking about how you think the game is right up your ally because you like to slow walk and take in everything.Right... but I'm implying that reviewers were claiming this as boring. Tedious maybe? Yeah, I suppose... But so is grinding, but doesn't mean it can't fun or enjoyed. But like you said as well... it sounds like there's always something to do.. "barren open world" or no.
You literally can’t explore too much in this game because your shoes will wear out. It sounds like the opposite of a “take your time and take everything in” game. The main gameplay loop revolves around carefully planning a route and your resource usage.
That being said too, I totally love the idea of how the online component will work with other folks leaving shit in the world. Not that it's 100% original, but it sounds really interesting to me. I like how the Soulsborne games and Dragon's Dogma had others involved.. adding to the core experience without really interfering with it.
Post by: Trent Dole on November 04, 2019, 06:14:26 PM
I was talking about so many people claiming it to be boring. :doge:banplz(https://dailycaring.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/denialcalvin-hobbes690x400.jpg)This is sums up the Switch thread as well.
:dice
Post by: kingv on November 04, 2019, 08:09:23 PM
After devouring reviews I expect it’s a game that would be a really interesting experience at half the length.
Post by: kingv on November 04, 2019, 08:12:18 PM
Post by: bork on November 04, 2019, 08:54:11 PM
That sounds fun though? And I don't really trust game journos to tell me what mechanics are frustrating or difficult in games. They're not true skilled gamers like me :jgames
Certainly not trying to tell anyone what sounds fun.
But I don’t see how “I enjoy wandering around in open world games taking the sites in” applied to this game. Not just addressing comments here seen it all over the internet; “I love just putting some music on and riding into the sunset in RDR2 this game sounds perfect”. Ehhhhhh
Again just pointing out this seems to be going for something very different than an exploration game.
Forget long-winded reviews- when I read things like these tweets, something's wrong.
https://twitter.com/nathan_brown/status/1190182964530991104
https://twitter.com/nathan_brown/status/1190183693840769024
https://twitter.com/agentbizzle/status/1190280391229181957
https://twitter.com/agentbizzle/status/1190282070901178376
https://twitter.com/jeffgerstmann/status/1190257552459624448
Definitely not a game I'd be buying day one, that's for sure.
Post by: Don Rumata on November 04, 2019, 09:56:09 PM
And I’m talking about how you think the game is right up your ally because you like to slow walk and take in everything.This is a solid point, i'm intrigued by the game more than i was before, because i love that aspect of exploration (my favorite part of Shadow of the Colossus is when yuou're NOT fighting Colossi, and i even love just wandering around software like Outerra, Space Engine or even Google Earth :lol).
You literally can’t explore too much in this game because your shoes will wear out. It sounds like the opposite of a “take your time and take everything in” game. The main gameplay loop revolves around carefully planning a route and your resource usage.
The aspect of the ticking bomb you mention though (in the form of limited resources) doesn't completely negate that, just adds a small element of tension to it, much like, as i mentioned before, the fuel limitation in SpinTires/MudRunner.
I'm not saying i'll like it for sure, especially since i've grown really intollerant of many of Kojima's storytelling quirks, but i do agree with some people on "i don't care what reviewers are saying", not because of some form of elitism or mere contrarianism, let alone blind trust in Kojima (lol), but because personally, i've come to the conclusion that i look for very different things in games, than most of these people tweeting out about this stuff, given their complaints.
As i said i would've "fixed" RDR2 by making it even slower and more simulative for example, not by letting you skip travel and loot animations, like many were asking.
Game may very well be shit, since nobody here played it yet, but that's not saying much.That sounds fun though? And I don't really trust game journos to tell me what mechanics are frustrating or difficult in games. They're not true skilled gamers like me :jgames
Certainly not trying to tell anyone what sounds fun.
But I don’t see how “I enjoy wandering around in open world games taking the sites in” applied to this game. Not just addressing comments here seen it all over the internet; “I love just putting some music on and riding into the sunset in RDR2 this game sounds perfect”. Ehhhhhh
Again just pointing out this seems to be going for something very different than an exploration game.
Forget long-winded reviews- when I read things like these tweets, something's wrong.
https://twitter.com/nathan_brown/status/1190182964530991104
https://twitter.com/nathan_brown/status/1190183693840769024
https://twitter.com/agentbizzle/status/1190280391229181957
https://twitter.com/agentbizzle/status/1190282070901178376
https://twitter.com/jeffgerstmann/status/1190257552459624448
Definitely not a game I'd be buying day one, that's for sure.
They didn't like it 'cause it's boring, is essentially what they're saying, you could say that of any game and you would be right from a personal POV.
Far Cry 5 literally can't leave you alone for 5 seconds for fear of you getting "bored", and it's insufferable (despite the good gameplay) for that very reason.
Again, not saying this will be good for sure, just that i don't much care for these opinions (reason why i never really read reviews in the first place), because they rarely align with what I look for in a game.
Post by: thetylerrob on November 04, 2019, 09:56:55 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/GwIRJVZ.jpg)
Brian Altano is.....
(https://i.imgur.com/7gX3mB7.jpg)
idk about the other guy. All I know is I don't give a shit what game critics say about games anymore.
Post by: naff on November 04, 2019, 10:17:47 PM
in 2020 on pc :'(
Post by: bork on November 04, 2019, 10:23:17 PM
Again, not saying this will be good for sure, just that i don't much care for these opinions (reason why i never really read reviews in the first place), because they rarely align with what I look for in a game.
I don't take what any of these guys say as the final word here- It just says something when you have people saying the same thing- that it's boring to the point of not even wanting to finish it.
Post by: Don Rumata on November 04, 2019, 10:40:51 PM
I get it, and that's probably true for a lot of people.Again, not saying this will be good for sure, just that i don't much care for these opinions (reason why i never really read reviews in the first place), because they rarely align with what I look for in a game.
I don't take what any of these guys say as the final word here- It just says something when you have people saying the same thing- that it's boring to the point of not even wanting to finish it.
But the point seems this a niche game sold as a mass market one.
Post by: bork on November 04, 2019, 11:07:38 PM
But the point seems this a niche game sold as a mass market one.
So...a Hideo Kojima game™. :doge
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 04, 2019, 11:16:57 PM
Yeah they are weird, but on the surface they aren't.
Post by: bluemax on November 04, 2019, 11:26:00 PM
Now we've got Sony giving him a huge budget to release their tent pole game of the year and he's delivered the equivalent of someone's ridiculous game jam experiment from itch.io with pretty graphics and a bunch of movie actors attached.
It's almost no wonder we are seeing a bloodbath at the executive level of Sony right now.
Post by: bluemax on November 04, 2019, 11:28:22 PM
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2019, 01:18:18 AM
Imagine if Sony gave Benett Foddy, Robert Yang and the Zachtronics duo the same budget and told them to combine to make whatever game they wanted. Would the reactions be the same?Go on...
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2019, 08:59:30 AM
:dead
Post by: Akala on November 05, 2019, 09:20:37 AM
Post by: bork on November 05, 2019, 09:30:42 AM
I don't think Metal Gear Solid games are niche.
Yeah they are weird, but on the surface they aren't.
They got weirder and more 'complex' with each new release. Most "mainstream-niche" games ever released, IMO. Death Stranding fits right in.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 05, 2019, 09:49:36 AM
But at the end of the day, it’s under basically a GI. Joe skin. Metal Gear Solid is military stuff, pretty easy to market to mainstream America even it’s military stuff with a real anime edge. And I’d say MGSV was rather toned down in its atmosphere anyway.I don't think Metal Gear Solid games are niche.
Yeah they are weird, but on the surface they aren't.
They got weirder and more 'complex' with each new release. Most "mainstream-niche" games ever released, IMO. Death Stranding fits right in.
The main dude has a baby attachment and is about building bridges and delivering packages. I mean this is a bit diffrent then MGS. A stealth game where you play a military dude sneaking into facilities.
Death Stranding is dealing with far crazier subject material that’s harder to wrap around. IMO.
Post by: nachobro on November 05, 2019, 09:52:09 AM
i didn't know anyone who had a ps1 that didn't also have mgs back in the day
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2019, 10:05:20 AM
What killed him? Stamina? Poison? Holes in soles? WTF.Gravity. He dared defy it.
Post by: BlueTsunami on November 05, 2019, 10:20:51 AM
Post by: bork on November 05, 2019, 11:06:45 AM
But at the end of the day, it’s under basically a GI. Joe skin. Metal Gear Solid is military stuff, pretty easy to market to mainstream America even it’s military stuff with a real anime edge. And I’d say MGSV was rather toned down in its atmosphere anyway.I don't think Metal Gear Solid games are niche.
Yeah they are weird, but on the surface they aren't.
They got weirder and more 'complex' with each new release. Most "mainstream-niche" games ever released, IMO. Death Stranding fits right in.
The main dude has a baby attachment and is about building bridges and delivering packages. I mean this is a bit diffrent then MGS. A stealth game where you play a military dude sneaking into facilities.
Death Stranding is dealing with far crazier subject material that’s harder to wrap around. IMO.
That's definitely true, yeah!
mgsv sold 6+ million copies. that's not the sales of a niche franchise
i didn't know anyone who had a ps1 that didn't also have mgs back in the day
Hence the term "mainstream-niche." :) The story has gotten so holyshitwtfisgoingonimsohighrightnow that it's impressive sales remained so high, IMO.
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2019, 11:23:15 AM
me, trying to be cool: "no thanks, I got it."
me:
(https://i.imgur.com/OivgqRa.gif)
:dead
Post by: nachobro on November 05, 2019, 11:24:11 AM
Post by: bork on November 05, 2019, 11:37:34 AM
Post by: thisismyusername on November 05, 2019, 11:41:33 AM
So you have to press shoulder buttons to keep shifting weight and maintaining balance?
If reviewers are right, you have to HOLD them to maintain weight.
Something that I can quickly see being patched as an option.
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 05, 2019, 01:52:50 PM
Post by: Tasty on November 05, 2019, 02:00:56 PM
Artsy stuff is neat and all but sometimes it is just a case of someone huffing their own farts and everyone around them saying it smells like roses to avoid looking like a pleb.
The world could use more bizarre, atypical media.
Let 👏🏻 people 👏🏻 make 👏🏻 weird 👏🏻 things 👏🏻
Not 👏🏻 everything 👏🏻 is 👏🏻 for 👏🏻 everyone 👏🏻
Post by: kingv on November 05, 2019, 02:04:15 PM
Live 👏 Mas! 👏
Post by: Tuckers Law on November 05, 2019, 02:28:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/OivgqRa.gif)
:dead
This gif makes me even more excited to play it
Post by: Svejk on November 05, 2019, 03:13:42 PM
Post by: bork on November 05, 2019, 06:58:11 PM
I can't wait to play this with a few drinks in me. Stoked.
And by that you mean Monster® Energy Drink™, the official beverage of Death Stranding™, a Hideo Kojima game℠?
(https://www.cajadebotin.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/death-stranding-publicidad-monster-energy-drink-sunglasses-marcas.jpg)
*Sponsored by Geoff Keighley, Doritos, and MTN DEW **Featured on Late Night With Conan O'Brien
Post by: Don Rumata on November 05, 2019, 07:20:31 PM
As i said it's a solid point, but i'd have to try the game and see how annoying and disruptive is in actuality.And I’m talking about how you think the game is right up your ally because you like to slow walk and take in everything.This is a solid point, i'm intrigued by the game more than i was before, because i love that aspect of exploration (my favorite part of Shadow of the Colossus is when yuou're NOT fighting Colossi, and i even love just wandering around software like Outerra, Space Engine or even Google Earth :lol).
You literally can’t explore too much in this game because your shoes will wear out. It sounds like the opposite of a “take your time and take everything in” game. The main gameplay loop revolves around carefully planning a route and your resource usage.
The aspect of the ticking bomb you mention though (in the form of limited resources) doesn't completely negate that, just adds a small element of tension to it, much like, as i mentioned before, the fuel limitation in SpinTires/MudRunner.
Well I'm talking specifically about the freedom to take your time exploring and going where you want; the game does seem to negate that, not merely add some tension to it.
I like what i've read about the stamina, that you have to manage keeping a solid balance on rough terrain, versus your endurance/stamina.
It's interesting, and stamina is an element i think games should explore more often, especially those going for a more realistic vibe.
It's partly what gives games like ArmA a sense of scale (on top of the massive map).
I also read that it isn't really open world, but a series of large maps (like MGSV?) so that also has me curious, but could backfire, if it feels just like a series of obviously designed obstacles, with little room for wandering and experimentation, on how to traverse perilous terrain.
Post by: Nintex on November 05, 2019, 08:09:15 PM
Post by: BlueTsunami on November 05, 2019, 09:04:12 PM
Post by: bluemax on November 06, 2019, 12:09:26 AM
So you have to press shoulder buttons to keep shifting weight and maintaining balance?
QWOP Stranding ain't no joke my friend.
Post by: Svejk on November 06, 2019, 11:31:23 AM
Sam Bridges and I are gonna save 'Murca this Vets Day!!!
FUCK YEAH!!!!!!
:tauntaun
:salute
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 06, 2019, 12:24:24 PM
Making the protagonist weak at first yet develop, in time, into someone more formidable, and be able to go further, should make the sense of accomplishment that much stronger.
That sounds a lot like Monster Hunter.
Post by: kingv on November 06, 2019, 01:15:39 PM
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 06, 2019, 01:32:49 PM
Or every game with any sort of progression system ever?
I thought that as soon as I typed out my post, but MH definitely feels overly difficult when you first start, moreso than other games.
Post by: BlueTsunami on November 06, 2019, 05:06:39 PM
Post by: naff on November 06, 2019, 05:19:45 PM
Post by: naff on November 06, 2019, 05:20:34 PM
Post by: thisismyusername on November 06, 2019, 06:37:52 PM
https://www.giantbomb.com/reviews/death-stranding-review/1900-795/
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There's also a surprising dearth of memorable characters. Norman Reedus' Sam is especially bland. In a way, he's the perfect video game protagonist, because nearly all he does is grunt and sigh. There's just not much personality to him, which is a bummer given how much time you spend with him throughout the game. The only actor who feels like they're truly on board with the weirdness of the whole thing is Mads Mikkelsen, who plays an otherworldly soldier wraith that pops up just often enough to remind you that Hideo Kojima used to make some games about war. He seems like he's relishing the role, which I can't quite say for most of the other actors involved. Actresses Lea Seydoux and Margaret Qualley do their best with some truly leaden dialogue, and Troy Baker at least tries to chew (or, more accurately, lick) some scenery as the deeply disappointing terrorist villain Higgs, who is named that because he thinks he's like the God particle, and frequently references video games because I guess someone in this game probably had to do that.
Post by: Raist on November 06, 2019, 06:40:59 PM
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Kojima's first post-Konami project is a bizarre, self-indulgent mess that never quite manages to tie its myriad pieces together.
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self-indulgent mess
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by Alex Navarro on November 6, 2019
:heh
Post by: Chooky on November 06, 2019, 07:18:54 PM
Post by: Nintex on November 06, 2019, 07:22:14 PM
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And there are significant sections of the game where everything grinds to a halt so that Kojima (by way of one of these supporting characters) can either explain at length what's going on with any of the myriad bizarre concepts built into the game's narrative, or delve into the latest Wikipedia article he somehow found a way to graft onto the game's plot. None of these inclusions should be surprising, because this is the way Kojima directs his games.
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2019, 09:00:04 AM
Alex and Dan (with different amounts of Abby at various times) first play and see the game (Dan is initially very excited) and then late game impressions after finishing the game, etc. (just after the 1 hour mark):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytPBnDDtvQ8
Took Alex 55 hours.
"Death Stranding sucks shit." - Dan Ryckert
Quick Look with Vinny and Alex (both have finished it by this one):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--nW6aKYgQ8
Alex builds a giant stack like in that gif, then tries to walk under a rock outcropping and knocks it all off over and over. ~21:30.
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2019, 09:08:01 AM
Post by: thisismyusername on November 07, 2019, 11:24:07 AM
Really makes you think that all the Mads posting while only retweeting Norman was the real behind-the-scenes sexual hand-off of the casting couch of Kojimbo.
Post by: Rufus on November 07, 2019, 12:51:49 PM
Embargo up.The contrast is excellent. :lol
Alex and Dan (with different amounts of Abby at various times) first play and see the game (Dan is initially very excited) and then late game impressions after finishing the game, etc. (just after the 1 hour mark):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytPBnDDtvQ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytPBnDDtvQ8)
Finally remembered what the cellphones being handcuffs reminded me off, Pawel Kucynzski's art:
(https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aYpxPO0_460s.jpg)
A :brain goldmine:
http://pawelkuczynski.com/Prace/Cartoons/
Post by: Svejk on November 07, 2019, 02:46:42 PM
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2019, 03:32:27 PM
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 07, 2019, 03:42:50 PM
Post by: TVC15 on November 08, 2019, 01:33:52 AM
Post by: TVC15 on November 08, 2019, 01:55:40 AM
Post by: TVC15 on November 08, 2019, 02:09:08 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Die-Hardman
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So glad I ignored this during development. I wouldn’t have wanted that moment spoiled
Post by: BisMarckie on November 08, 2019, 06:58:17 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/H5NRSz8.png?1)
Oh, is this the Giant Bomb I've been missing out on :doge
In addition to that:
The pearl clutching by Jeff about the baby is just embarrassing.
Post by: Don Rumata on November 08, 2019, 07:24:03 AM
What's this about? Don't make me go look at 4 hours of footage.(https://i.imgur.com/H5NRSz8.png?1)
Oh, is this the Giant Bomb I've been missing out on :doge
In addition to that:
The pearl clutching by Jeff about the baby is just embarrassing.
Post by: Svejk on November 08, 2019, 09:04:08 AM
Post by: BisMarckie on November 08, 2019, 09:07:55 AM
What's this about? Don't make me go look at 4 hours of footage.
Jeff going out of his way to call the BB stuff distasteful,gross and what have you at every opportunity.
This Jeff is dead :-\
(https://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/8/81356/2956561-2603187-4262886689-25578.gif)
Post by: TVC15 on November 08, 2019, 09:12:22 AM
The explanation for MULES literally had me burst out laughing
One of my fave parts from the beginning...
spoiler (click to show/hide)
When you get to the room to see your mom, you hear something like this, either from DEADMAN or DIE-HARDMAN: “Sam, you must talk to your mom, THE PRESIDENT” and I was like sheeeeeeeeeeeit I’m Don Jr!
[close]
Jack Herer man I tell you
Post by: Tasty on November 08, 2019, 09:48:35 AM
A youtube feed popped up titled All Cutscenes... but only ran 1 hour 23 minutes.... :what is this not a Kojima game??
Didn't play MGSV?
Post by: kingv on November 08, 2019, 09:50:40 AM
Post by: Svejk on November 08, 2019, 09:59:06 AM
Post by: Tasty on November 08, 2019, 10:05:15 AM
Heh... they edited the title as Part 1 now. :lol :doge
Ha, YouTubers gonna YouTube.
Post by: BisMarckie on November 08, 2019, 10:17:42 AM
Post by: TVC15 on November 08, 2019, 10:19:26 AM
I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn't even consider gameplay until like... 3 months ago. They were worried about the characters and VA and all the effects and physics and all the other things that are ultimately unimportant.
Only a little bit in, but despite the fun craziness, this is shaping up to easily be Kojima’s worst game. If the gameplay doesn’t change drastically soon, this is kinda a totally embarrassing disaster. I’m sure it will be a huge success though and borktarded gamers will never let us forget it, a la MGS4 and 5 and the portables.
Post by: TVC15 on November 08, 2019, 10:27:57 AM
Number of days since Kojima released his most shameful and embarrassing product: 0
Sonytard borktards picking him as their gaming auteur would be like me picking someone like Robert Zemeckis as my favorite film director. It indicates mental malaise and disease, possibly poor breeding, urban living
Post by: Rufus on November 08, 2019, 10:38:01 AM
Not every freshly minted dad is going to have the same reaction. :yeshrugWhat's this about? Don't make me go look at 4 hours of footage.
Jeff going out of his way to call the BB stuff distasteful,gross and what have you at every opportunity.
This Jeff is dead :-\
(https://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/8/81356/2956561-2603187-4262886689-25578.gif)
Only a little bit in, but despite the fun craziness, this is shaping up to easily be Kojima’s worst game. If the gameplay doesn’t change drastically soon, this is kinda a totally embarrassing disaster. I’m sure it will be a huge success though and borktarded gamers will never let us forget it, a la MGS4 and 5 and the portables.It's unclear why and I don't think it'll matter to you, but Tim Rogers indicated it takes until chapter 3 to get going.
Post by: demi on November 08, 2019, 10:45:44 AM
Post by: TVC15 on November 08, 2019, 10:52:07 AM
no
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 08, 2019, 11:00:12 AM
The proud display of the three Monster Engery cans on the table made me turn off the game because my stomach hurt from laughing.
Post by: TVC15 on November 08, 2019, 11:21:32 AM
Kojima corporate sellout. Monster energy drink epidemic to kill millions of Sony fans. Scarlett wins.
Also, I really can't wait for Kojima's shitty real movie. I'm already giddy at the thought that people are trying to take this shit seriously.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 08, 2019, 11:30:01 AM
Post by: BisMarckie on November 08, 2019, 11:33:46 AM
Post by: TVC15 on November 08, 2019, 11:34:31 AM
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 08, 2019, 11:36:29 AM
Post by: TVC15 on November 08, 2019, 11:45:34 AM
What's more likely to happen in the United States today?
1. A person consumes 6 MONSTERY ENERGY DRINKS in one sitting.
2. A mass shooting.
I can't even venture a guess, man. And it gets even more woah when you ask yourself which of those two acts is a grosser lapse of personal responsibilty.
This shit has me asking real-life questions. Also, soothing the Dead Baby in a Jar sucks and the game has ruined dead babies for me. I'm pro-life now and I plan on voting that way.
Post by: TVC15 on November 08, 2019, 11:53:55 AM
Post by: Svejk on November 08, 2019, 11:53:59 AM
https://twitter.com/helpone_opone/status/1192830104423976960?s=20
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 08, 2019, 12:08:12 PM
Death Stranding is for people that like Journey.
The band or the video game?
Post by: kingv on November 08, 2019, 01:11:29 PM
Post by: Trent Dole on November 08, 2019, 01:24:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjeMDvCdrtc
Post by: kingv on November 08, 2019, 02:04:46 PM
Post by: bork on November 08, 2019, 02:38:15 PM
Sure, and put this version of The Final Countdown in the game too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjeMDvCdrtc
:rofl
Post by: Bebpo on November 08, 2019, 04:18:29 PM
Just picked up the digital version, will check it out tonight.
Post by: toku on November 08, 2019, 04:38:51 PM
Post by: thisismyusername on November 08, 2019, 05:21:45 PM
I chug 6 cups pf coffee pretty much daily, so I can relate to drinking 6 cans of Monster energy. :doge
Coffee isn't on Energy Drinks level dude. Yes, they both have caffeine in them, but Energy Drinks have like 10mg more? And then a shit ton of sugar in them.
Post by: BisMarckie on November 08, 2019, 05:24:20 PM
And lol at drinking non sugarfree energy drinks :heh
Post by: BlueTsunami on November 08, 2019, 05:25:09 PM
Post by: TVC15 on November 08, 2019, 05:29:10 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/UT2Y4ZV.jpg)
It’s like I’m feeling the shame of my words and deeds painfully in my intestines.
Post by: toku on November 08, 2019, 05:57:38 PM
Post by: TVC15 on November 08, 2019, 06:01:56 PM
Post by: kingv on November 08, 2019, 06:22:16 PM
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2019, 06:41:56 PM
The game really is just a walking simulator with inventory management and dialogue that is in general just a bit too long.
Kojima wasn't lying when he said it was a new genre. Also it's the usual Kojima nonsense but this time the tent poles of the (cold) war and AI are gone so he can just focus on Norman Reedus' bodily fluids.
But again, like Sutherland in MGS5 the main character hardly speaks which is weird as these people talk at him at length.
I can see this being 'fun' for 2 to 3 hours but at 10 or 20 hours in you'll probably start to rethink your choices in life.
Such as, do I want my virtual Norman Reedus to piss sitting or standing and what does it say about me as a person.
Post by: nachobro on November 08, 2019, 06:48:02 PM
For men of taste that appreciate MGS4, where will this rank?it sounds like mgs4 but if 1-3 never existed :lol
Post by: TVC15 on November 08, 2019, 06:50:49 PM
For men of taste that appreciate MGS4, where will this rank?
Maybe it will rank well if you really liked the shitty and boring chapter 3. The key word when describing the gameplay is boring. I accidentally mistyped “gameplay” as “tameplay” at first there and that may be an accurate description. The elderly could play this without blood pressure worries.
Post by: TVC15 on November 08, 2019, 06:51:17 PM
Post by: BisMarckie on November 08, 2019, 07:08:34 PM
This is just complete nonsense, but so far I absolutely embrace the nonsense.
Post by: Bebpo on November 08, 2019, 07:28:52 PM
Walking sims
Nonsense
Kojima Nonsense
Easter Eggs in Kojima games
Hoping I'll enjoy this. Then again I hate MGS4 and long cutscenes so idk.
Post by: TVC15 on November 08, 2019, 07:47:29 PM
Post by: thisismyusername on November 08, 2019, 08:13:02 PM
Such as, do I want my virtual Norman Reedus to piss sitting or standing and what does it say about me as a person.
Sitting, it's better for the bladder and lets you unload your load before reloading your load to walking sim more. :doge
Post by: bork on November 08, 2019, 08:42:05 PM
He shits all over this (boring, repetitive, etc.) then says it's a 7/10. Can't figure out if that last part was a joke or not. :lol
Post by: chronovore on November 08, 2019, 09:10:34 PM
After watching the Tim Rogers review I'm all the fuck in
Encountering Tim Rogers media should never any kind of positive reaction. "Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."
Post by: TVC15 on November 08, 2019, 10:44:49 PM
Post by: thisismyusername on November 08, 2019, 10:55:40 PM
I’m not going to be able to tolerate this gameplay much longer.
https://twitter.com/willmenaker/status/1192924642782142464
Patch for NuFedEx (AirFedandBreakfast?) oversight and terms of use, when?
Post by: TVC15 on November 08, 2019, 11:22:23 PM
Goty
Post by: BlueTsunami on November 08, 2019, 11:25:38 PM
After watching the Tim Rogers review I'm all the fuck in
Encountering Tim Rogers media should never any kind of positive reaction. "Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."
But that so describes...
...me.
Post by: TVC15 on November 08, 2019, 11:28:05 PM
After watching the Tim Rogers review I'm all the fuck in
Encountering Tim Rogers media should never any kind of positive reaction. "Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."
But that so describes...
...me.
You are a lot like Benjy.
Post by: toku on November 08, 2019, 11:28:34 PM
I’m not going to be able to tolerate this gameplay much longer.
https://twitter.com/willmenaker/status/1192924642782142464
Patch for NuFedEx (AirFedandBreakfast?) oversight and terms of use, when?
https://twitter.com/willmenaker/status/1192938355425792000
Post by: BlueTsunami on November 08, 2019, 11:35:53 PM
After watching the Tim Rogers review I'm all the fuck in
Encountering Tim Rogers media should never any kind of positive reaction. "Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."
But that so describes...
...me.
You are a lot like Benjy.
I am the inverse if his verbosity
Lord save.me
kojima lift me
Post by: bluemax on November 08, 2019, 11:39:38 PM
Post by: EchoRin on November 08, 2019, 11:42:39 PM
Things I like in life:
Walking sims
Nonsense
Kojima Nonsense
Easter Eggs in Kojima games
Hoping I'll enjoy this. Then again I hate MGS4 and long cutscenes so idk.
You and me both. Though I didn't hate MGS4 aside from I think it was chapter 3 (the one where you meet up with Eva), I was not down with how anime the cutscenes got. And yes I was slobbering all over how codec and cutscene heavy MGS2 was. I mainly thought MGS4 was the weakest of the Solid series up to that point. Haven't played 5 yet actually, so yeah.
Post by: bluemax on November 08, 2019, 11:48:17 PM
Post by: bluemax on November 09, 2019, 12:03:44 AM
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2019, 12:05:31 AM
Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2019, 12:06:34 AM
This game starts by asking you to confirm your birthdate and then tells you something based on your astrological sign.
atramental sale confirmed
Post by: kingv on November 09, 2019, 12:10:02 AM
And we have a chick with a pretty face and an old body. Goddamn cougars.
Post by: bluemax on November 09, 2019, 12:23:30 AM
Sub 10 minutes to the first "playable" section, and then right back into an extended cutscene.
I'm back in cutscene land and according to the summary at the end of the last playable section I had 7:27 seconds of game played. On the up side I've seen almost everything from all the old trailers.
It's been almost an hour since I started.
Gotta love the explanation for why everyone appears to be "crying".
Post by: kingv on November 09, 2019, 12:30:49 AM
Of course I have only played like 10 minutes of actual game so far.
Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2019, 12:31:30 AM
Post by: kingv on November 09, 2019, 12:32:10 AM
Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2019, 12:44:30 AM
Post by: bluemax on November 09, 2019, 12:49:42 AM
"You're on the clock. But also we are gonna give you a big speech that takes up time!"
Kojima has a more positive view of the American Presidency than most Americans.
Post by: kingv on November 09, 2019, 12:51:41 AM
Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2019, 01:01:23 AM
This game just took a fucked up turn, ha.
"You're on the clock. But also we are gonna give you a big speech that takes up time!"
Kojima has a more positive view of the American Presidency than most Americans.
Yes, the great tradition of the American Presidency...
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Where the presidency passes on to the princess upon the monarch’s death
[close]
So glad that’s being preserved.
Post by: kingv on November 09, 2019, 01:13:07 AM
Post by: bluemax on November 09, 2019, 01:16:24 AM
Post by: bluemax on November 09, 2019, 01:18:08 AM
Also this game borrows so much from MGS UI design that it should be a crime, seriously holy shit :lol
CODEC
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2019, 01:25:31 AM
Post by: bluemax on November 09, 2019, 01:33:18 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
A trophy for pissing, of course.
[close]
Post by: kingv on November 09, 2019, 01:44:32 AM
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2019, 01:44:53 AM
Post by: Bebpo on November 09, 2019, 01:45:28 AM
Enjoying this more than MGS4/5 so far.
Post by: bluemax on November 09, 2019, 01:59:34 AM
I don't know about how well this engine lends itself to modability or anything but the PC version of this could turn out to be very interesting depending on what people can get their hands on. I could see like a year from now a bunch of websites doing "the PC version of Death Stranding has become totally crazy" articles. And Giant Bomb doing a video where Jeff is loving it all.
It's a proprietary engine made strictly for one console. I can't see it, unless they purposely make it that way.
Post by: bluemax on November 09, 2019, 02:01:19 AM
Post by: kingv on November 09, 2019, 02:09:57 AM
But then again, so is every other kojima game.
Post by: kingv on November 09, 2019, 02:14:02 AM
Post by: kingv on November 09, 2019, 03:06:39 AM
Post by: bluemax on November 09, 2019, 03:23:24 AM
Post by: Don Rumata on November 09, 2019, 04:22:47 AM
I don't know about how well this engine lends itself to modability or anything but the PC version of this could turn out to be very interesting depending on what people can get their hands on. I could see like a year from now a bunch of websites doing "the PC version of Death Stranding has become totally crazy" articles. And Giant Bomb doing a video where Jeff is loving it all.Look at RE2Remake, it's gonna be all stripper costumes and nude mods.
Post by: Tuckers Law on November 09, 2019, 04:25:40 AM
I don't know about how well this engine lends itself to modability or anything but the PC version of this could turn out to be very interesting depending on what people can get their hands on. I could see like a year from now a bunch of websites doing "the PC version of Death Stranding has become totally crazy" articles. And Giant Bomb doing a video where Jeff is loving it all.Look at RE2Remake, it's gonna be all stripper costumes and nude mods.
I’ve held off on playing RE2 until I can upgrade my pc, I refuse to play that game without the DMX mod for Mr. X.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 09, 2019, 04:27:34 AM
Knots is clearly a reference to dog knots.
No man, it's like knots in a web of strands, dude. Like world wide web, man. Go die in a fire Kojima.
Death Stranding Pro-tip: Get that Star Wars game instead.
Post by: kingv on November 09, 2019, 04:42:52 AM
In typical Kojima fashion it has interesting themes but hits you over the head with them.
Kojima is often/sometimes accused of putting meta-themes into his games that are less explicitly stated.
I have a friend that swears up and down that he thinks kojima left MGS V partially finished on purpose to leave the players, MGS fans, and Konami with a phantom pain.
Thematic spoilers, minor plot points:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
I used to think he was crazy, but now I’m not so sure because this has unstated themes that are much more obviously done. I think this game might be repetitive on purpose, and the tasks are menial and too numerous also on purpose, and you seldom interact with NPCs on purpose. It’s obviously a commentary on modern society.
This seems to also be a (pretty obvious) meta-commentary on modern game design it’s like some sort of Ubisoft game taken to its logical conclusion and you’re supposed to ask yourself why you are still playing a game that is wasting your time. The MULES are players of modern games, just going from one fetch quest to the next, for no obvious.
This seems to also be a (pretty obvious) meta-commentary on modern game design it’s like some sort of Ubisoft game taken to its logical conclusion and you’re supposed to ask yourself why you are still playing a game that is wasting your time. The MULES are players of modern games, just going from one fetch quest to the next, for no obvious.
[close]
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 09, 2019, 04:45:24 AM
Thematic spoilers, minor plot points:spoiler (click to show/hide)I used to think he was crazy, but now I’m not so sure because this has unstated themes that are much more obviously done. I think this game might be repetitive on purpose, and the tasks are menial and too numerous also on purpose, and you seldom interact with NPCs on purpose. It’s obviously a commentary on modern society.
This seems to also be a (pretty obvious) meta-commentary on modern game design it’s like some sort of Ubisoft game taken to its logical conclusion and you’re supposed to ask yourself why you are still playing a game that is wasting your time. The MULES are players of modern games, just going from one fetch quest to the next, for no obvious.[close]
Second part of your spoiler is literally what the first No More Heroes did. "No exit to paradise."
Post by: Coffee Dog on November 09, 2019, 05:41:40 AM
However.
This script is, even for Kojima standards, very very stupid and clunky. Hearing such high quality actors dish out totally out of place exposition dumps filled with pointless terminology, giving a sixth grader's ruminations on the word *strand*, and straightforward anime writing complete with japanese mannerisms, pausing and repetetive pronunciations never ceases to make you question the point of it all.
Depending on how this pans out it could either be slightly better or worse than MGS4, but it's so wordy it definitely cant get good.
Post by: mormapope on November 09, 2019, 09:10:22 AM
This is like a 30-50 hour game if I heard things correctly. We'll see how involved package delivery can get after 30 hours.
Post by: Rufus on November 09, 2019, 10:01:52 AM
I have a friend that swears up and down that he thinks kojima left MGS V partially finished on purpose to leave the players, MGS fans, and Konami with a phantom pain.The fan-brain works in mysterious ways.
Post by: Svejk on November 09, 2019, 10:56:45 AM
Post by: bork on November 09, 2019, 10:59:16 AM
I'm fully expecting the people enjoying this to get burnt out by hour 10 or 20.
Definitely interested in seeing how people feel about this after that long.
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2019, 11:49:28 AM
Post by: shosta on November 09, 2019, 12:08:59 PM
So, I played about 4 hours tonight and I kind of like it so far.This is some Jon Blow tier commentary :lol
In typical Kojima fashion it has interesting themes but hits you over the head with them.
Kojima is often/sometimes accused of putting meta-themes into his games that are less explicitly stated.
I have a friend that swears up and down that he thinks kojima left MGS V partially finished on purpose to leave the players, MGS fans, and Konami with a phantom pain.
Thematic spoilers, minor plot points:spoiler (click to show/hide)I used to think he was crazy, but now I’m not so sure because this has unstated themes that are much more obviously done. I think this game might be repetitive on purpose, and the tasks are menial and too numerous also on purpose, and you seldom interact with NPCs on purpose. It’s obviously a commentary on modern society.
This seems to also be a (pretty obvious) meta-commentary on modern game design it’s like some sort of Ubisoft game taken to its logical conclusion and you’re supposed to ask yourself why you are still playing a game that is wasting your time. The MULES are players of modern games, just going from one fetch quest to the next, for no obvious.[close]
Post by: Svejk on November 09, 2019, 12:32:56 PM
One thing I will say is actually really good about this game that isn't the visual design is the online component. Building bridges and putting ropes and ladders everywhere, changing up terrain into hiking trails the more people take the same path, and getting likes for all of it is really nice. The one thing about this game that's unique as far as I know and 100% good.Traversing the landscape feels like an open world puzzle, every step I take has me constantly planning how to proceed and I love it so far. As for the folks fussing about the Kojima cheesiness, I don't see what the problem here is. It's classic Kojima campiness, sometimes laughable, nonsense... people expecting his style to evolve, is pretty silly. :lol
Post by: kingv on November 09, 2019, 12:55:37 PM
So, I played about 4 hours tonight and I kind of like it so far.This is some Jon Blow tier commentary :lol
In typical Kojima fashion it has interesting themes but hits you over the head with them.
Kojima is often/sometimes accused of putting meta-themes into his games that are less explicitly stated.
I have a friend that swears up and down that he thinks kojima left MGS V partially finished on purpose to leave the players, MGS fans, and Konami with a phantom pain.
Thematic spoilers, minor plot points:spoiler (click to show/hide)I used to think he was crazy, but now I’m not so sure because this has unstated themes that are much more obviously done. I think this game might be repetitive on purpose, and the tasks are menial and too numerous also on purpose, and you seldom interact with NPCs on purpose. It’s obviously a commentary on modern society.
This seems to also be a (pretty obvious) meta-commentary on modern game design it’s like some sort of Ubisoft game taken to its logical conclusion and you’re supposed to ask yourself why you are still playing a game that is wasting your time. The MULES are players of modern games, just going from one fetch quest to the next, for no obvious.[close]
Kojima brings out the best in me :miyamoto
I’m really enjoying it though. Pounding monsters, taking fat shits, pwning noobs.
Never peeing outside because it’s a waste of piss.
Post by: shosta on November 09, 2019, 01:41:56 PM
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 09, 2019, 01:45:03 PM
Post by: kingv on November 09, 2019, 01:45:45 PM
So, I played about 4 hours tonight and I kind of like it so far.This is some Jon Blow tier commentary :lol
In typical Kojima fashion it has interesting themes but hits you over the head with them.
Kojima is often/sometimes accused of putting meta-themes into his games that are less explicitly stated.
I have a friend that swears up and down that he thinks kojima left MGS V partially finished on purpose to leave the players, MGS fans, and Konami with a phantom pain.
Thematic spoilers, minor plot points:spoiler (click to show/hide)I used to think he was crazy, but now I’m not so sure because this has unstated themes that are much more obviously done. I think this game might be repetitive on purpose, and the tasks are menial and too numerous also on purpose, and you seldom interact with NPCs on purpose. It’s obviously a commentary on modern society.
This seems to also be a (pretty obvious) meta-commentary on modern game design it’s like some sort of Ubisoft game taken to its logical conclusion and you’re supposed to ask yourself why you are still playing a game that is wasting your time. The MULES are players of modern games, just going from one fetch quest to the next, for no obvious.[close]
After a few more hours, I realize that the truth is soooo much worse and ok the nose than my fanboy theory.
This game so badly wants to be deep and meaningful. It’s awesome. Everybody should play it.
It’s MGS2 level social commentary except less subtle. And I am expecting one or two really painfully obvious twists.
Post by: kingv on November 09, 2019, 01:46:30 PM
how many tig ass biddies are there?
No big naturals. One character looks uncannily like Gwyneth Paltrow though.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 09, 2019, 01:50:35 PM
less subtle.
That doesn't go anywhere near far enough to describe the garbage in this game. It's fun to hateplay, and it's well-made. Worth the money with basically any mindset you go into it.
Post by: thetylerrob on November 09, 2019, 02:02:56 PM
Post by: Raist on November 09, 2019, 02:06:43 PM
how many tig ass biddies are there?
No big naturals. One character looks uncannily like Gwyneth Paltrow though.
Fragile?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 09, 2019, 02:09:02 PM
Post by: shosta on November 09, 2019, 02:18:36 PM
Being disappointed about your breast size, 2019, colorized.
Post by: thetylerrob on November 09, 2019, 02:20:05 PM
Post by: team filler on November 09, 2019, 03:07:08 PM
Post by: Rufus on November 09, 2019, 03:09:41 PM
Post by: kingv on November 09, 2019, 03:57:34 PM
how many tig ass biddies are there?
No big naturals. One character looks uncannily like Gwyneth Paltrow though.
Fragile?
I was thinking amelie actually.
She just really reminds me of her
Post by: kingv on November 09, 2019, 04:06:38 PM
I expected the gameplay to be boring but that hasn’t been my experience at all, I’ve been having tons of fun just making cool pathways out of ladders and I like how often I’ve had to think on my feet based on the rain/enemy delivery guys/bt stealth segments. The story bits so far have been more underwhelming to me but that’s because I’ve been spoiled on most of the early game stuff.
I’m with you. I don’t really get the bad reviews.
It’s fun and I have never really played anything like it. I will probably never want to play a similar game ever, but so far I like it more than MGS V.
Post by: bluemax on November 09, 2019, 04:13:41 PM
There's clearly a lot of genre cross over inspiration in this game, it just feels so tonally inconsistent. Just like the dialogue and story. None of the commentary is subtle, like your character having a fear of being touched, which he gained from being over exposed to the chirals and by being out and away from humanity so long.
All the reviewers who said it feels like the writers just regurgitated Wikipedia pages are spot on.
And I agree with the point that the whole over the top Japanese anime style of the writing just doesn't work for this game. Like we tolerated/pretended we liked it in MGS because we were young and dumb or whatever, but now it just makes everything feel off.
Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2019, 06:16:29 PM
Post by: bluemax on November 09, 2019, 07:54:30 PM
Escaping from the BTs is legit terrifying and exhausting. And I can see myself getting annoyed with how much effort it takes the more it happens. It definitely feels like a horror game at those points though.
They're way too easy to be honest. I thought it would be interesting in the beginning but you literally just crouch and walk, hold your breath when that shit starts spinning and glowing orange.
Later it's made even easier because you get the ability to stealth kill BT's.
I guess I've been fucking up too much and getting caught. But it has only been twice. The rain is more annoying because there's never any cover when it starts. Maybe this changes later.
I'm about 10 hours in and still on chapter 2. The game also doesn't feel very "open". Like yeah I can take on side quests but with all the dumb mechanics in this game it feels like it makes sense to only take quests and items that are supposed to go the same place you are going for the next story quest. Exploring the world seems like a terribly un fun idea and the only stuff I go out of my way to get right now are the USB drives for Deadman. I do have access to my first vehicle and it sure helps a lot, I am also not looking forward to trying to complete very many of these fucking timed deliveries.
Why has Monster (TM) brand energy drink lasted into the future and how did it do so without a logo or packaging change?
I ran into Geoff Keighley. It really does feel like almost everything they showed except the last trailer is from the early parts of the game, which I guess is nice?
I'm about to head out for the night, and I think I gotta return this to Redbox mid day tomorrow, so I might have played all I'm going to for the weekend.
Post by: shosta on November 09, 2019, 08:14:14 PM
Post by: bork on November 09, 2019, 08:55:41 PM
Post by: BisMarckie on November 09, 2019, 08:58:46 PM
Spent my night driving through Eastern Europe and listening to Slovakian radio :doge
Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2019, 09:05:40 PM
OK, I fully swung around to calling Death Stranding a good videogame. I enjoy it too much to pretend I think otherwise. Here's some shit I just got through that helped solidify this as stupid kojima bullshit I enjoy with a fun gameplay loop:spoiler (click to show/hide)In between Del Torogetting pissed on by a baby making Norman Reedus think he’s going to rape him in the shower for a second before spilling the beans, blue is the warmest color having a granny body but barely legal face, two twins having a ghost kid then merging as one, zip lining everywhere and stealthily cutting gold lion umbilical cords I’m just going to say Death Stranding is a good video game.
There’s also the Iron Maiden album cover for the Madds boss fight, and three cut scenes being the most unintentional hilarity ever because a poor, poor Japanese actress was put in a position to have a long monologue on love. Only for it to lead to that asexual transcript I posted earlier AND them e-mailing after that they’re getting a divorce[close]
Kojima is a massive idiot and I wouldn’t have it any other way
Salience: “That sounds great! You should at least watch the cutscenes on YouTube, TVC.”
Logic: “That’s still going to be like 10+ hours of your time, dude.”
Me: Back to Disco Elysium.
Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2019, 09:52:23 PM
Pretty much all good games that came out this year are better than this so I don't blame ya. But since I'm a loser who already played all of them and doesn't have anything that can run Disco Elysium (I know :'( ) I'm seeing this stupidity to the end.
I just got a new gaming laptop so I’m going to be indulging in some PC snobbery in general for a few days anyway. Death Stranding couldn’t have held my attention even if it weren’t objectively the worst game Kojima has ever been involved with, including agreed-upon mediocrities like Snatcher, Policenauts ZoE,, and Boktai.
Post by: Rman on November 09, 2019, 09:52:54 PM
Tons of boring systems
Fetch quests galore
Boring, lifeless world
Encumbrance and repair mechanics are incredibly tedious.
It's cool that this game exists per se. I like more diversity in the AAA space, but really? I'm not seeing the appeal with this game.
It is pretty. Has a great soundtrack. But that's it.
Honestly, I just want to watch all the cutscenes on YT or something lol.
I guess if you love fetching shite, this game is great. I'm not understanding the "fun" here.
Post by: Don Rumata on November 09, 2019, 10:39:54 PM
Anyway, i'm really excited to try it out, since it seems up my alley, but i'm waiting for it to go down in price.
I figured a lot of Kojima drones are gonna buy this thinking it's another MGS, and trade it in quickly after, just gotta be there waiting at the gate. :-*
Post by: Rman on November 09, 2019, 11:05:31 PM
Did you even read any of the reviews&impressions? Lol, people have been describing it as delivery man simulator for weeks now. :lolI did. But I gave Hideo the benefit of the doubt.
Anyway, i'm really excited to try it out, since it seems up my alley, but i'm waiting for it to go down in price.
I figured a lot of Kojima drones are gonna buy this thinking it's another MGS, and trade it in quickly after, just gotta be there waiting at the gate. :-*
Post by: shosta on November 09, 2019, 11:24:24 PM
It's cool that this game exists per se.I love this veiled non-endorsement :lol
Post by: TVC15 on November 10, 2019, 12:04:52 AM
Post by: BlueTsunami on November 10, 2019, 12:07:15 AM
How many people could have gone through medical school for the development cost of this pointless, unenjoyable game? Kojima could have saved perhaps thousands of human lives instead of wasting the money on an exploitative exploitation simulator.
The beauty of the auteur
You watch Too Old to Die Young yet?
Post by: Don Rumata on November 10, 2019, 12:31:40 AM
Make sense, since Kojima's in it, and Refn's in this game. :lolHow many people could have gone through medical school for the development cost of this pointless, unenjoyable game? Kojima could have saved perhaps thousands of human lives instead of wasting the money on an exploitative exploitation simulator.
The beauty of the auteur
You watch Too Old to Die Young yet?
Although TOTDY is mostly bad, i agree with Rman that certain ideas should be explored regardless.
Or stop complaining about "muh Ubisoft Towers".
Post by: BlueTsunami on November 10, 2019, 01:28:48 AM
Make sense, since Kojima's in it, and Refn's in this game. :lolHow many people could have gone through medical school for the development cost of this pointless, unenjoyable game? Kojima could have saved perhaps thousands of human lives instead of wasting the money on an exploitative exploitation simulator.
The beauty of the auteur
You watch Too Old to Die Young yet?
Although TOTDY is mostly bad, i agree with Rman that certain ideas should be explored regardless.
Or stop complaining about "muh Ubisoft Towers".
I loved Too Young to Die Young but I loved it for it's far too missing highs. Appreciating what it reached for as it failed in its entirety. Fuck striving for mediocrity. Give me failure in pursuit of more.
Post by: TVC15 on November 10, 2019, 03:31:13 AM
Post by: thisismyusername on November 10, 2019, 04:56:07 AM
Make sense, since Kojima's in it, and Refn's in this game. :lolHow many people could have gone through medical school for the development cost of this pointless, unenjoyable game? Kojima could have saved perhaps thousands of human lives instead of wasting the money on an exploitative exploitation simulator.
The beauty of the auteur
You watch Too Old to Die Young yet?
Although TOTDY is mostly bad, i agree with Rman that certain ideas should be explored regardless.
Or stop complaining about "muh Ubisoft Towers".
I thought you were kidding, but he apparently has a recurring role in that. WTF. The folks that were like "why the fuck is Kojima flying everywhere!?" during development have a major valid gripe now.
Post by: Rman on November 10, 2019, 08:29:45 AM
Post by: Don Rumata on November 10, 2019, 08:37:15 AM
Nah, he's a cameo in one episode, this is his only scene:Make sense, since Kojima's in it, and Refn's in this game. :lolHow many people could have gone through medical school for the development cost of this pointless, unenjoyable game? Kojima could have saved perhaps thousands of human lives instead of wasting the money on an exploitative exploitation simulator.
The beauty of the auteur
You watch Too Old to Die Young yet?
Although TOTDY is mostly bad, i agree with Rman that certain ideas should be explored regardless.
Or stop complaining about "muh Ubisoft Towers".
I thought you were kidding, but he apparently has a recurring role in that. WTF. The folks that were like "why the fuck is Kojima flying everywhere!?" during development have a major valid gripe now.
https://youtu.be/3kJ6teziod8
Post by: shosta on November 10, 2019, 11:57:26 AM
"Is this all there is?"
Post by: kingv on November 10, 2019, 12:16:35 PM
It mostly just stood there menacingly
Post by: TVC15 on November 10, 2019, 12:22:37 PM
Nah, he's a cameo in one episode, this is his only scene:Make sense, since Kojima's in it, and Refn's in this game. :lolHow many people could have gone through medical school for the development cost of this pointless, unenjoyable game? Kojima could have saved perhaps thousands of human lives instead of wasting the money on an exploitative exploitation simulator.
The beauty of the auteur
You watch Too Old to Die Young yet?
Although TOTDY is mostly bad, i agree with Rman that certain ideas should be explored regardless.
Or stop complaining about "muh Ubisoft Towers".
I thought you were kidding, but he apparently has a recurring role in that. WTF. The folks that were like "why the fuck is Kojima flying everywhere!?" during development have a major valid gripe now.
https://youtu.be/3kJ6teziod8
Everything except the set and the lighting is sub-pornographic in quality.
Post by: Raist on November 10, 2019, 03:02:52 PM
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/75446821_10221156053239366_2405959001826131968_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQkOAUx5HCBRpWtyVYIIwt7D5z-BcR1LvPgPQBcmFQmUdq88FiZEm3P_laaSB9J_j7s&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=f41f9a177a032bd4c37d399e3b58a67a&oe=5E6044BF)
"Is this all there is?"
UPS employee on his way to Bork's house, circa 2019
Post by: bluemax on November 10, 2019, 03:24:11 PM
I rage quit.
Post by: naff on November 10, 2019, 03:55:36 PM
Post by: thisismyusername on November 10, 2019, 03:57:57 PM
https://twitter.com/atPeteDodd/status/1193278124726861826
I thought he was British? The fuck is this Boston Celtics fanboy shit?
My final moment before ejecting the disc and taking the game back to RedBox. Trying to drive my motorcycle over a steep hill on my way to Port city, rain starts, black ooze comes out of the ground, motorcycle useless, my cargo goes everywhere.
I rage quit.
Pussy. Real Fed-Ex men would've gotten off the motorcycle, gotten the cargo and then waited for the rain to stop.
Post by: thisismyusername on November 10, 2019, 04:02:35 PM
Nah, he's a cameo in one episode, this is his only scene:Make sense, since Kojima's in it, and Refn's in this game. :lolHow many people could have gone through medical school for the development cost of this pointless, unenjoyable game? Kojima could have saved perhaps thousands of human lives instead of wasting the money on an exploitative exploitation simulator.
The beauty of the auteur
You watch Too Old to Die Young yet?
Although TOTDY is mostly bad, i agree with Rman that certain ideas should be explored regardless.
Or stop complaining about "muh Ubisoft Towers".
I thought you were kidding, but he apparently has a recurring role in that. WTF. The folks that were like "why the fuck is Kojima flying everywhere!?" during development have a major valid gripe now.
https://youtu.be/3kJ6teziod8
That explains the one sword picture we saw back in the day, I guess.
But still: A lot of folks were going "why the fuck is Kojima flying to France/Europe, Russia, etc. etc. during development of Death Stranding? Is Sony bank-rolling his extended vacation?"
I guess the answer is now a resounding: YES.
Everything except the set and the lighting is sub-pornographic in quality.
That's Refn in general.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8rQimLHnk8
I don't get Kojima's fascination with Refn. He made one decent film (if you want to be nice) in Drive and everything else has been flops or people walking out (Only God Forgives). I don't get Gosling's attachment to him either. His head game but be strong to have them attached to him.
Post by: naff on November 10, 2019, 04:28:59 PM
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 10, 2019, 04:39:08 PM
https://twitter.com/jez7780/status/1193539042509496320
https://twitter.com/AEGRO/status/1192206844883873794
Post by: BlueTsunami on November 10, 2019, 04:43:45 PM
drive is ok, bronson is good, valhalla rising is great
Valhalla Rising is so fucking weird, I love it. I think the only film I didn't care from him is Only God Forgives. It never engaged me like his stuff typically does.
Post by: thisismyusername on November 10, 2019, 04:44:20 PM
drive is ok, bronson is good, valhalla rising is great
Bronson's good because of Hardy, not because of Refn. :doge
I haven't seen Valhalla Rising, so I'll reserve judgement on that.
Post by: Nintex on November 10, 2019, 04:48:33 PM
Post by: Rman on November 10, 2019, 04:53:04 PM
Once I accepted that this is basically a pretty inventory and crafting game, it's not that bad. The crafting, building, and finding crap is a rather satisfying gameplay loop. It's No Man's Sky with cutscenes.
This game seems to have been made for PCs in mind, though. The text is ultra-tiny if you're playing this from a standard living room setup. And all that text, in the menu and such, has tons of detail.
Post by: Nuitangg on November 10, 2019, 05:10:39 PM
drive is ok, bronson is good, valhalla rising is great
:shaking
Post by: kingv on November 10, 2019, 05:11:54 PM
Honestly, the action parts and stealth parts are the worst part of the game.
Both the mules and BTs are enough of a threat to add tension. I did get knocked out by the mules one time, and the penalty was really small. It was just like “go reclaim your stuff from a nearby MULE locker.
I haven’t gotten a void out yet. I’m curious to see what happens.
Post by: naff on November 10, 2019, 05:17:09 PM
drive is ok, bronson is good, valhalla rising is great
:shaking
:brain
8)
(i really like drive)
Post by: Don Rumata on November 10, 2019, 05:33:16 PM
drive is ok, bronson is good, valhalla rising is greatThe Pusher trilogy is the only "great" thing Refn ever did, it wasnt overtly stylistic, but still had personality and more humanity than anything he's done since.
Though i did get a kick out if his other stuff, sometimes it comes off as particularly vapid, other times seems to have interesting sparks, but it never fully works out.
ToTDY crosses the same thematic roads he's been on before, but the results are particularly weak because of the absurd length they are stretched on, with no real deeper exploration of them.
Post by: Tuckers Law on November 10, 2019, 07:10:12 PM
Post by: kingv on November 10, 2019, 07:14:21 PM
drive is ok, bronson is good, valhalla rising is great
Yeah, I'd bump Bronson to great and say Neon Demon is great as well. The Pusher trilogy are worth a watch as well. I hate Only God Forgives and from what little I saw of TOTDY I dislike that as well. But dude legit made some good movies.
Speaking of, spoilers for the most punchable man on the planet in Death Stranding:spoiler (click to show/hide)So Nicholas Wending Refn dies every 21 minutes by self inducing cardiac arrest to look for his family in the after life so he does a 20 minute monologue, dies, I hang out in his living room for 3 minutes, comes back for another 20 minutes, dies, so on and so forth[close]
This game fully won me over, even the gameplay loop is much better through the new equipment you unlock and the community online shit being legitimately great. Building a zip line network with randos to zip through everything :rejoice
I fully admit to eating crow, this shit bangs.
I’m not sure how far it goes, but I would think it’s cool for the game to get traversal to like a trivially easy level after the community gets enough stuff built and beats a path down.
Post by: thetylerrob on November 10, 2019, 07:46:48 PM
Welp, just read that the second season of TOTDY is #cancelled.There was never a chance that Amazon was gonna pick that up for another season, it was absolutely buried upon release.
Post by: BlueTsunami on November 10, 2019, 07:55:34 PM
I just have to say, that show was MADE for being altered. It's fucking dread inducing and the weirdness is turned up to 11. It really evokes some scary shit when you're in it.
Post by: Don Rumata on November 10, 2019, 10:26:32 PM
Yeah Refn is very much like Kojima hilariously enough. He just doesn't have the same need to exposit everything all the time, Although he probably lingers way too much in the same way Kojima tends to explain too much.If anime and jrpgs are anything to go by, that's a Japanese thing, more than a Kojima thing. :doge
Reason why i couldn't get more than 2 hours into Persona 5, everything had to be explained 5 times.
Post by: paprikastaude on November 11, 2019, 12:52:07 AM
Post by: shosta on November 11, 2019, 12:59:56 AM
French culture. :piss
Post by: thisismyusername on November 11, 2019, 05:49:10 AM
Yeah Refn is very much like Kojima hilariously enough. He just doesn't have the same need to exposit everything all the time, Although he probably lingers way too much in the same way Kojima tends to explain too much.If anime and jrpgs are anything to go by, that's a Japanese thing, more than a Kojima thing. :doge
Reason why i couldn't get more than 2 hours into Persona 5, everything had to be explained 5 times.
It's definitely a japanese storytelling thing but I see it more out of Kojima than I do a lot of work IMO. Another is harping on a word over and over, though I really liked Nier Automata I really didn't need to hear "Memories" every other sentence.
DARPA chief : A weapon with the ability to launch a nuclear attack from any
place on the face of the earth. A nuclear equipped, walking
battle tank.
Snake : Metal Gear!? It can't be!
DARPA chief : ... You knew!? Metal Gear is one of the most secret black
projects! How did you know that?
Snake : We've had a couple of run-ins in the past. So that's the reason
you were here at this disposal site?
DARPA chief : Why else would I come to a God-forsaken place like this.
Snake : I had heard the Metal Gear project was scrapped.
DARPA chief : On the contrary, it has grown into a huge joint project between
ArmsTech and ourselves. We were going to use this exercise as
raw data and then proceed to mass production. If it hadn't been
for the revolution.
Snake : Revolution... ?
DARPA chief : Rex has fallen into the hands of terrorists.
Snake : Rex?
(A guard takes notice of the converstaion in the cell and slowly creeps
to the door.)
DARPA chief : Metal Gear Rex, the codename for the new Metal Gear prototype.
They're probably already finished aiming the warhead they plan to
use with Rex. These guys are pros. They're all experienced in
handling and equipping weapons.
(The guard bangs on the door.)
Guard : Hey! Shut up in there will ya!
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I think it's a translation quirk, but I don't know the original Japanese lines to confirm my suspicions.
Post by: tiesto on November 11, 2019, 10:04:09 AM
Yeah Refn is very much like Kojima hilariously enough. He just doesn't have the same need to exposit everything all the time, Although he probably lingers way too much in the same way Kojima tends to explain too much.If anime and jrpgs are anything to go by, that's a Japanese thing, more than a Kojima thing. :doge
Reason why i couldn't get more than 2 hours into Persona 5, everything had to be explained 5 times.
It's definitely a japanese storytelling thing but I see it more out of Kojima than I do a lot of work IMO. Another is harping on a word over and over, though I really liked Nier Automata I really didn't need to hear "Memories" every other sentence.
I'm so shitty at retaining information so I don't mind this at all tbh. I'm a bit more annoyed when in certain games with large casts, every character needs to say their piece about the current happenings.
Post by: thetylerrob on November 11, 2019, 10:08:36 AM
Post by: nachobro on November 11, 2019, 10:35:06 AM
what's with the weird rivalry with flight simulator games
https://twitter.com/jez7780/status/1193539042509496320
https://twitter.com/AEGRO/status/1192206844883873794
death stranding is sony, flight sim is ms. these clowns still console warring as grown men :lol
Post by: Svejk on November 11, 2019, 11:09:52 AM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 11, 2019, 11:16:17 AM
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 11, 2019, 11:17:31 AM
Post by: Rufus on November 11, 2019, 12:13:21 PM
Pretty sure the guy that translated MGS1 has said that it's a translation quirk and that's why it's gotten worse in every Kojima title after the first one (Konami started skimping on localizers). Japanese is more concise I think, so it probably sounds more natural to them than in English where it sounds overly wordy.Japanese is more vauge, actually, but also more polite. The silly repetition is a consequence of the latter. Making reassurances that you're still listening is familiar to all of us, I think. A "mhm" and "yeah" here and there, maybe a clarifying question if you're generous. In Japanese, this is more frequent and can take the form of repeating a key word as a question. This can be obviated in text to make it more natural sounding outside of Japan, but MGS is fully voiced and cutscenes were timed to match the Japanese lines.
Jeremy Blaustein, who translated MGS, did take some liberties though; mainly with tone, quips and by adding military jargon. Things Kojima apparently did not appreciate.
Quote from: https://www.polygon.com/2019/7/18/20696081/metal-gear-solid-translation-japanese-english-jeremy-blaustein
When I read that Snake’s earpiece was just called a 無線機 (“wireless”), I tried to come up with something better for American players. I researched the problem for a significant amount of time before coming across something called a “codec” that I thought sounded cool. I had never heard the term before, but it sounded pretty official.
When Campbell told Snake that he would have to do 現地調達 (“acquire locally”) for his weapons, I knew I needed something that sounded like military jargon. The only problem is that no one in real life would ever put themselves in that situation if they could help it, so I coined the term OSP, or “on-site procurement,” which is still used to this day.
(...)
From what I heard at the time, Kojima began to hear that his work had been “tinkered” with. I’d argue there might have been a lack of appreciation for the needs of localization due to his not being bilingual, but he was not happy. As a result, all future Metal Gear games would be closely monitored for fidelity to the original Japanese script.
[Ed. note: Konami declined to comment when contacted about this story.]
This approach resulted in lines like: “I won’t scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea. I will always be with you. Plant your roots in me. I won’t see you end as ashes. You’re all diamonds.”
There's also an interesting interview with Agness Kaku, the translator of MGS2, who had to deal with some of the fallout from Kojima's clamp-down:
http://web.archive.org/web/20120125211117/http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/metalgear/agnesskaku.htm
And another interview with Blaustein:
http://web.archive.org/web/20120330110037/http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/jb/jb.htm
Post by: kingv on November 11, 2019, 02:02:36 PM
Also big daps when someone leaves a piece of gear higher than I can craft in a share locker.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 11, 2019, 04:51:51 PM
Why not just watch the damn thing on Youtube then?
Cos I feel like I’m missing out on something Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż
Post by: TVC15 on November 11, 2019, 05:17:15 PM
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2019, 12:41:04 AM
Post by: bork on November 12, 2019, 07:48:44 AM
Post by: thisismyusername on November 12, 2019, 07:56:16 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJJ4TUnWwAAE4iV?format=jpg&name=large)
Please update the main site to this. Persona 4 is old as fuck now.
Post by: bork on November 12, 2019, 08:15:44 AM
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2019, 08:39:02 AM
Like this classic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSnkqk-MeC0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryErgaO3VYg
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYAJsOVwzm4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNkjEakz2C0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_wFbWkUgD4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBDpQzjPRcE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f-9LsRMbfk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNkjEakz2C0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_wFbWkUgD4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBDpQzjPRcE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f-9LsRMbfk
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Post by: nachobro on November 12, 2019, 11:14:46 AM
Post by: bork on November 12, 2019, 11:36:55 AM
Post by: nachobro on November 12, 2019, 12:07:59 PM
Spend hours watching someone play a videogame in a language you don't understand...1. It was one hour
.... we truly are fucked as a species.
2. I was high as fuck
3. Eat a dick
Probably made as much sense in russian as it did in english anyway :lol Either way I'm cured of any interest to play the game now so it's a win/win.
Post by: kingv on November 12, 2019, 12:52:26 PM
Post by: thisismyusername on November 12, 2019, 02:40:54 PM
Spend hours watching someone play a videogame in a language you don't understand...
.... we truly are fucked as a species.
Shut the fuck up and post your hog you never shut the fuck up about.
Post by: Tuckers Law on November 12, 2019, 02:50:57 PM
Spend hours watching someone play a videogame in a language you don't understand...
.... we truly are fucked as a species.
I see you’ve never watched the original green demon challenge! That shit is completely moon language for most people and it’s still amazing.
https://youtu.be/W31g1CfbRnk
Post by: Tasty on November 12, 2019, 03:28:10 PM
Spend hours watching someone play a videogame in a language you don't understand...
.... we truly are fucked as a species.
If you haven't enjoyed GameCenter CX at some point you're just not a complete human being yet.
Post by: TVC15 on November 12, 2019, 03:51:17 PM
So I just beat Death Stranding.
Was feeling like an 8 for a while there but bumping that shit back down to a 6, was thinking a 5 but had too much fun with it to justify it.
My reasons why it fell apart are:spoiler (click to show/hide)The game had two solid ass end points that I would have went out feeling high on the game, but nah, it just had to keep going and going, worse than MGS4 in some respects. Hell way worse cause the very ending is a looooooong fucking cut scene that's 95% shit you've seen and been told already countless fucking times, exact same cut scenes just from a different angle but not to show you a new perspective, but the exact same shit[close]
Wondered why I even should continue playing but then:spoiler (click to show/hide)Credits rolled, and the last mission I got was "Waste time until the presidential inauguration" and i laughed for a solid 10 minutes[close]
aight I'm done talking about this, I enjoyed it more than I thought, but it's issues just bother me too much
This is important: how long did it take you to beat in hours and about how much of that was side content/fucking around/not main story path?
Post by: shosta on November 12, 2019, 03:58:21 PM
Post by: kingv on November 12, 2019, 06:30:42 PM
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Post by: TVC15 on November 12, 2019, 08:54:25 PM
Post by: TEEEPO on November 12, 2019, 09:04:14 PM
Post by: thisismyusername on November 12, 2019, 09:14:40 PM
Post by: kingv on November 12, 2019, 09:53:05 PM
This is important: how long did it take you to beat in hours and about how much of that was side content/fucking around/not main story path?
40-42 something hours. As far as side content I mostly stumbled into it and there was lost cargo near the prepper so ended up putting them on the network on my way to a story path lol
like 95% of my time was main story with the added caveat that I took some time to build some roads and ziplines and whatever.You cannot play these games, if you play them as games you will be disappointed. You must experience them :pitbull
Funny you say that, as the part I do enjoy about it is mostly playing around in it, I did enjoy most cut scenes for being bad up until the very end as I described. The biggest issue is literally only one character is any good in Higgs, because I'm pretty sure troy Baker is the only person who understood what Kojima's work actually is so he hams it the motherfuck up and it's the best.
So far I’m really enjoying Mads Mikkelsen too. But I’m just nearing what I think is the end of episode 3.
Mostly I think the story is interesting, even if I can tell it’s going to be at least partly dumb. But i will say I can at least follow it. I’m not sure I can say that about anything post MGS3 from kojima.
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 12, 2019, 10:00:17 PM
People give Kojima too much credit and not enough to the people who make his shit sensible.
Post by: kingv on November 12, 2019, 10:05:56 PM
Go to half the same areas and do almost the same mission.
Imo, the best infiltration mission was actually... Ground Zeroes.
Post by: thisismyusername on November 12, 2019, 10:59:28 PM
Post by: Don Rumata on November 12, 2019, 11:26:19 PM
Ground Zeroes shows what Phantom Pain would've been if Konami actually sat on their asses and let Kojima finish his middleware for them.I think he just bit more than he could chew as a first time open world+new engine+new generation(hybrid, but still).
Even if you factor in ep. 51, MGSV is a mess, and it's a mess because the scale is handled poorly, despite having great ideas.
GZ works perfectly, by comparison, exactly because it's missing a lot of the shit that makes MGSV so ambitious (and such a failure) from the massive interconnected map, to MotherBase.
Nevertheless, it's painfully clear that, from a story standpoint, MGS just had nothing else to give, the game already took 80+ millions to make, plus years of development, more time wasn't going to save it.
Post by: thisismyusername on November 12, 2019, 11:32:21 PM
I think that's partially on Kojima thinking Konami was sticking in the console/PC business, when it was clear they wanted to get out. So bad timing.
Post by: TVC15 on November 12, 2019, 11:40:20 PM
Post by: Don Rumata on November 12, 2019, 11:46:51 PM
The story problems and game design problems up to that point are much greater than a bad ending, to my eyes.
Too few ideas spread too thin, too little story spread too thin, too little character development (for any of the characters involved) spread too thin.
A better finale wouldn't have made Quiet or Skullface actually worth a shit, wouldn't have made the skull babes a decent enemy, and wouldn't have gave the game decent bosses.
They still would've needed to repeat all the missions to stretch the run time, they still would've left the map mostly under utilized, etc etc.
I'm a "bigger = better" kinda guy when it comes to open world games, but if there's one exception in my mind, it's MGSV.
It's should've been a series of small, GZ-style maps, pretty much like a Sniper Elite or Hitman of sort.
Simply because they just had no expertise or time to fill two massive, empty maps like they tried to do, and MGSV isn't a game that thrives in a contemplative pace (since you're dropped in with a clear objective every time, and extracted at its completion).
Post by: TVC15 on November 12, 2019, 11:52:13 PM
Post by: bluemax on November 13, 2019, 12:06:39 AM
OK you're talking me out of wanting to give MGSV another shot now. Would it... look pretty on my PC?
I feel like that game looked pretty bad on PS4 and it wasn't a hardware issue so much as an art issue.
I was kind of tempted to suffer through it but I don’t think I can do 35+ hours of this :( Sorry guyz. Maybe this will inspire me to try MGSV again.
The reviews all said this was ~40 hours just to finish the story and 60+ to 100% it. It doesn't feel like it should be that long but the mechanics help bloat it out.
Post by: Don Rumata on November 13, 2019, 12:30:30 AM
Post by: Rufus on November 13, 2019, 12:40:25 AM
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 13, 2019, 02:01:31 AM
Hey you can see exactly what Ep.51 was supposed to be on Youtube, it was a better finale than repeating the intro, sure, but it was just that, a closing climax/set piece.
The story problems and game design problems up to that point are much greater than a bad ending, to my eyes.
Too few ideas spread too thin, too little story spread too thin, too little character development (for any of the characters involved) spread too thin.
A better finale wouldn't have made Quiet or Skullface actually worth a shit, wouldn't have made the skull babes a decent enemy, and wouldn't have gave the game decent bosses.
They still would've needed to repeat all the missions to stretch the run time, they still would've left the map mostly under utilized, etc etc.
I'm a "bigger = better" kinda guy when it comes to open world games, but if there's one exception in my mind, it's MGSV.
It's should've been a series of small, GZ-style maps, pretty much like a Sniper Elite or Hitman of sort.
Simply because they just had no expertise or time to fill two massive, empty maps like they tried to do, and MGSV isn't a game that thrives in a contemplative pace (since you're dropped in with a clear objective every time, and extracted at its completion).
Needed someone to tell to tell Kojima his ideas were stupid when it came to Quiet. And Skullface, yeah man glad to know you were cleaning up my vomit after eating rotten food or whatever. I'm in a box and you were in a box behind me all along.
Yeah, there was plenty of bad in MGS5. Imo too many missions were kind of boring... and definitely I felt the repetition in the last half.
Go to half the same areas and do almost the same mission.
Imo, the best infiltration mission was actually... Ground Zeroes.
That later in the game mission, the one that leads to Won't Scatter Your Ashes to the Heartless Sea though... That was pure fucking videogame kino.
Post by: Raist on November 13, 2019, 03:20:36 AM
Phantom Pain is solid, IMO.
No, it's Venom.
:rimshot
Post by: thisismyusername on November 13, 2019, 07:28:35 AM
Hey you can see exactly what Ep.51 was supposed to be on Youtube, it was a better finale than repeating the intro, sure, but it was just that, a closing climax/set piece.
The story problems and game design problems up to that point are much greater than a bad ending, to my eyes.
Too few ideas spread too thin, too little story spread too thin, too little character development (for any of the characters involved) spread too thin.
A better finale wouldn't have made Quiet or Skullface actually worth a shit, wouldn't have made the skull babes a decent enemy, and wouldn't have gave the game decent bosses.
They still would've needed to repeat all the missions to stretch the run time, they still would've left the map mostly under utilized, etc etc.
I'm a "bigger = better" kinda guy when it comes to open world games, but if there's one exception in my mind, it's MGSV.
It's should've been a series of small, GZ-style maps, pretty much like a Sniper Elite or Hitman of sort.
Simply because they just had no expertise or time to fill two massive, empty maps like they tried to do, and MGSV isn't a game that thrives in a contemplative pace (since you're dropped in with a clear objective every time, and extracted at its completion).
Sniper Elite would've fit better for the series, since that's essentially what MGS3 is: Go forward a la Final Fantasy 10 and just sneak around folks while moving forward.
Thing is: That style of gameplay has kinda fallen by the wayside, it's why Final Fantasy (to tie the comparison in) is now trying to Sandbox-ize everything (whereas the problem with 13 was that it was too "tube"-y and not necessarily the hold forward shit, after all a lot of folks [not me] enjoyed 10 which has the same fucking problems that 13 does), and other franchises are "Ubisoft tower"ing their shit.
I feel the empty-maps is partly due to cross-generation hardware focus and partially because Kojima was still literally developing the engine at the same time as Phantom Pain. Engine development (espeically Middleware) takes years now a days, so him being like 4 years into developing one isn't out of the realm of crazy-long.
I mean, granted, Japan has had issues with making engines for in-house (Square/Crystal Tools) or middleware (Konami, but this is because of cold-feet/pulling money) engines for a while and barely any Western company is doing in-house engines now a days without serious (read: Platform owners like Sony) money. Most third parties are using middleware that got there sooner/earlier like Unreal Engine now a days to where going middleware-to-license is a bit of a fools errand.
Post by: thetylerrob on November 13, 2019, 09:57:40 AM
Post by: Coffee Dog on November 13, 2019, 10:41:03 AM
The story has MGSV's pacing with MGS4's writing. This is seriously some of the worst crap he's ever done. I don't think I care for anybody onscreen except for Norman Reedus. Not Sam, but the actor.
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Post by: EightBitNate on November 13, 2019, 04:23:39 PM
What am I missing
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Post by: TVC15 on November 13, 2019, 04:53:00 PM
Along with Xenadrine. Man, good ol days of pseudoephedrine. America’s glory days. Fuck the people that wanted that shit banned. I hope they live long lives but terrible things happen slowly and quickly to all even remotely close to them. Those cunts ruined my health.
Post by: thisismyusername on November 13, 2019, 11:37:04 PM
Pretty sure the guy that translated MGS1 has said that it's a translation quirk and that's why it's gotten worse in every Kojima title after the first one (Konami started skimping on localizers). Japanese is more concise I think, so it probably sounds more natural to them than in English where it sounds overly wordy.Japanese is more vauge, actually, but also more polite. The silly repetition is a consequence of the latter. Making reassurances that you're still listening is familiar to all of us, I think. A "mhm" and "yeah" here and there, maybe a clarifying question if you're generous. In Japanese, this is more frequent and can take the form of repeating a key word as a question. This can be obviated in text to make it more natural sounding outside of Japan, but MGS is fully voiced and cutscenes were timed to match the Japanese lines.
Jeremy Blaustein, who translated MGS, did take some liberties though; mainly with tone, quips and by adding military jargon. Things Kojima apparently did not appreciate.Quote from: https://www.polygon.com/2019/7/18/20696081/metal-gear-solid-translation-japanese-english-jeremy-blausteinWhen I read that Snake’s earpiece was just called a 無線機 (“wireless”), I tried to come up with something better for American players. I researched the problem for a significant amount of time before coming across something called a “codec” that I thought sounded cool. I had never heard the term before, but it sounded pretty official.
When Campbell told Snake that he would have to do 現地調達 (“acquire locally”) for his weapons, I knew I needed something that sounded like military jargon. The only problem is that no one in real life would ever put themselves in that situation if they could help it, so I coined the term OSP, or “on-site procurement,” which is still used to this day.
(...)
From what I heard at the time, Kojima began to hear that his work had been “tinkered” with. I’d argue there might have been a lack of appreciation for the needs of localization due to his not being bilingual, but he was not happy. As a result, all future Metal Gear games would be closely monitored for fidelity to the original Japanese script.
[Ed. note: Konami declined to comment when contacted about this story.]
This approach resulted in lines like: “I won’t scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea. I will always be with you. Plant your roots in me. I won’t see you end as ashes. You’re all diamonds.”
There's also an interesting interview with Agness Kaku, the translator of MGS2, who had to deal with some of the fallout from Kojima's clamp-down:
http://web.archive.org/web/20120125211117/http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/metalgear/agnesskaku.htm
And another interview with Blaustein:
http://web.archive.org/web/20120330110037/http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/jb/jb.htm
Quote from: First one, why the fuck is this an archive for the record?
KOJIMA IS NOT A WRITER
Hideo Kojima
Something Agness has been critical of is Kojima's writing ability, or rather his lack of it. Offering her free opportunity to speak, I asked what she felt, "I think he's very bad at character, and I think he's extremely conventional, as in non-creative, when it comes to plotting. I know that I'll probably get an incredible amount of hate karma - can you say hate karma? - about this. So I'll just say that I did grow up reading, I told you I grew up without TV, so I read instead. And I like Cormac McCarthy, and the science-fiction writers; I love Frank Herbert, I love Alfred Bester, right now I really like Greg Egan, so I am extremely picky, and I do have a high standard when it comes to writing."
"I think that if you're ripping off Tom Clancy, it's...Tom Clancy is Tom Clancy, he deserves all the money and fame. The guy has worked hard. Writing is hard work. So to shoot out a bunch of these kinds of things, that we've been talking about, and then claim yourself as a writer when...And you know, there's good work being done in games. I think Portal is really well written, very beautifully written, but Kojima's stuff is...Fine, be a game creator, and know what you're not very good at, and learn to work with people who are. Stanley Kubrick, famously, the one thing he could not do was write. He could do everything else, but he didn't know how to write, so he worked with good writers, and worked with them in a very sort of relentless partnership. He knew his limits. I don't think Kojima's a writer. The fact that he would even be considered one shows how low the standards are in the game industry. Nothing in MGS2 is above a fanfic level. He wouldn't last a morning in a network TV writers' room, and those aren't exactly turning out the Dark Tower series or The Wire."
It's clear Agness has the experience and language ability to speak with authority on the subject of MGS2's writing. Which leads on to an interesting subject. Just prior to the release of Metal Gear Solid 4, Ryan Payton commented on MGS2, shifting the blame for fan dissatisfaction on to the translation. As he told 1UP, "I did walk away from Metal Gear Solid 2 a little bit disappointed and really confused about a lot of the plot elements and the narrative. Now looking back at the script and looking back at the translation and realizing where things might have gotten cut and where things got lost in translation - there really wasn't a problem with the original Japanese print. I think it was more a problem with some of the translation and some of the direction that was taken with the localisation. With MGS4 being the direct sequel to MGS2, I decided to investigate MGS2 as much as possible to gain a thorough understanding of it. I played the [Japanese] game over and over again, looked at the script with a fine-toothed comb, and realized: 'You know what? This is actually pretty cool now that I fully understand what is going on.'"
Having heard how others had tried to bait Agness into a confrontation regarding Jeremy's work, I was very careful not to appear wanting to do the same regarding Ryan's comment. But at the same time it did warrant investigating, and allowing Agness to explain her side of things. First off she debunked the idea that in its original Japanese the game was more palatable, "One thing I remember is I played it with someone so I could take notes - so my boyfriend was playing it - and I just sat next to him, and he loved the original game. He's a total kind of gamer generation, he knows way too much about [retro] things. But even he was like 'God! They just talk on, and on, and on, and there's a Colonel that'll go on and on, in this kind of political intrigue babble that wasn't particularly well written, droning.' The sheer amount of talking, I think makes it rather difficult to get through, but then if you just go ahead and skip it, maybe there was something in there?"
JS: I disagree with Ryan's stance, because no matter how you look at it, a majority of fans felt that Kojima had jumped the shark with MGS2.
AK: "I guess some people said it jumped the shark. I'll believe that, because these are people who loved the first one and liked the second one fine. But it's kind of like the difference, and not that I'm comparing Ridley Scott to Mr Kojima, but between Alien and Aliens. Aliens is a lot of fun, but Alien is something else. In my opinion. Obviously you may not agree."
JS: To me it seemed, maybe, almost like revisionism? MGS4 was coming out, fans were concerned with how the story had gone on MGS2, so someone came out and said: 'MGS2 was great, but you'll only know this if you speak Japanese. So trust us when we say MGS4 will be just as great...' Ryan was of course heavily involved with MGS4.
I will say: #FuckRyanPayton Dude was clearly a bad influence on Kojimbo in terms of changing a control scheme to be even worse (I remember CQC being particularly bad in MGS4) and wanting it to be all about HIM and how HE's helping Kojima with MGS4 at the time.
And then his own game fucking flopped, never to be heard from again. #SweetSweetKarma
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AK: "It's weasel words, kind of, but you know, if [Ryan] is indeed doing that, he might want to think about the fact that the guy who worked on the first MGS, Jeremy, has since been blamed [by Kojima] for its lack of brilliant perfection, so much so that his work was replaced wholesale for GameCube; the girl who worked on MGS2 has been blamed for getting in the way of its brilliance, and continues to be talked about like an unfortunate relative online; I don't know what happened to the person who did the third one, I turned it down. But if Kojima gets it in his head, that MGS4 was not brilliantly perfect, then perhaps Ryan will be joining Jeremy and I, in the lost-in-translation, unfortunate-relatives' club.
Oop. :kermit
Post by: bluemax on November 14, 2019, 12:08:06 AM
Then again if 10 years in the industry have taught me anything... it's that there's a lot of people in design director roles who failed their way into them. I still don't understand why.
Post by: Sho Nuff on November 14, 2019, 12:27:31 AM
Post by: kingv on November 14, 2019, 12:35:01 AM
Post by: thisismyusername on November 14, 2019, 07:34:49 AM
From podcast guy to helping one of the most famous game designers, to helming one of the most popular game franchises,[
Wait, what? I thought after MGS4, he left Kojima Productions Konami to do Republique? Oh. no, now I remember! He was on Portable Ops because Kojima didn't want do shit and would've rather let the "new generation" do something. Portable Ops wasn't terrible, but fucked with canon (because Kojima didn't really oversee that). And then after folks were like "this isn't terrible but it's not good..." Kojima did Peace Walker which blew the fuck out of it in making recruiting soliders less a pain in the ass (fulton for Phantom Pain came from Peace Walker, for instance).
I will say that as much as I enjoyed Peace Walker (despite it being clear it was for the Japanese market with the co-op focus and no online means of doing that until the console "HD" ports), AC!D 1/2 (which were done by an older Kojima Productions Konami person) was the killer apps for the series on PSP. If I could turn back time, I'd force Kojima to make a third with Phantom Pain cards. *sigh*
Edit: Oh no, you're talking Halo 4. He joined 343 and was only voice-over director for Portable Ops apparently... Ho-hum, no wonder Halo 4 apparently sucked shit (but being fair, 5 and other 343 titles have sucked shit. So...)
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Which flopped, so he went off into the sunset and...
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and now making something again based on a major IP.
Wait, what? WTF. Oh, no you mean Iron Man VR which is :no1curr because VR is a dead meme. And apparently it's from the Republique studio he made so somehow they bankrolled it by using Kojima yakuza connections. Hmm...
Ryan keeps his team paid and fed, I have his back in a fight
(God I wish I had the old subredditdrama for this context)
Fight me loser bottoms.
What did he even do after Republique? That’s the last I heard of him.
Ironman VR, by somehow limping Repubflop into Repubomb: HD edition: Now with more no1currs platforms!
It was supposed to be HIS Metal Gear, and then he made it like mobile-only at launch and it sank, never to be heard from again.
Post by: kingv on November 14, 2019, 03:22:33 PM
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 14, 2019, 06:41:11 PM
Hey you can see exactly what Ep.51 was supposed to be on Youtube, it was a better finale than repeating the intro, sure, but it was just that, a closing climax/set piece.Ive been saying this basically since the game came out. It really fails as an open world game and a Metal Gear Solid game. One of the worst in the series, but it’s all been bad since 3. Peace Walker and MGSV have really made me question Kojima as both games are filled with tedious bullshit and lack the personality of the series. Death Stranding has really inherited this as well. It’s also taken MGSV’s change in tone. That game is really where I felt Kojima was smelling his own farts. MGSV was so up it’s own ass with its paltry story. Gone is the nerd making homages to his favorite schlock. Now he’s an artist. But I haven’t finished the game(only one chapter 3) other then asking how this game gets a pass while FFXIII got shit on for it’s confusing early hour noun a thon, I’ve kind of liked it.
The story problems and game design problems up to that point are much greater than a bad ending, to my eyes.
Too few ideas spread too thin, too little story spread too thin, too little character development (for any of the characters involved) spread too thin.
A better finale wouldn't have made Quiet or Skullface actually worth a shit, wouldn't have made the skull babes a decent enemy, and wouldn't have gave the game decent bosses.
They still would've needed to repeat all the missions to stretch the run time, they still would've left the map mostly under utilized, etc etc.
I'm a "bigger = better" kinda guy when it comes to open world games, but if there's one exception in my mind, it's MGSV.
It's should've been a series of small, GZ-style maps, pretty much like a Sniper Elite or Hitman of sort.
Simply because they just had no expertise or time to fill two massive, empty maps like they tried to do, and MGSV isn't a game that thrives in a contemplative pace (since you're dropped in with a clear objective every time, and extracted at its completion).
I also think regardless of chapter 3 or mission 51, the game would still be terrible.
Post by: thisismyusername on November 14, 2019, 08:04:14 PM
Republique was bad.
What I want to know is how the studio stayed alive after it dropped. Apparently the last episode dropped in 2012, and then a PS4 version was ported in 2016, which seems like a crazy long time for a development house to stay alive on a niche-not-so-hot product. It looks like GungHo bankrolled the publishing duties but I remember the doing a kick-starter for the project that wasn't that hugely (I mean half a million is good, but compared to like Bloodstained or Shafer's projects) successful.
Camouflaj was funded in 2011, they're still alive with only one product out there. That's the :wtf part.
Oh what do you know, their main site actually has an article from Payton on this very thing: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-04-13-how-camouflaj-cheated-death-in-a-volatile-industry
Post by: stufte on November 14, 2019, 08:06:12 PM
Post by: Tasty on November 14, 2019, 08:28:55 PM
Post by: thisismyusername on November 14, 2019, 08:39:17 PM
Did any review ever use "It can Republique my balls"? Cause if not, missed opportunity.
But what does this have to do with Death Stranding? :confused This is the Death Stranding thread. :confused
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I haven't finished the Blaustein article yet, but it seems like most folks would agree that Kojima's writing is hit and miss without a team of editiors. Sort of like the Magic the Gathering dude that is getting flack for their latest novel now. :doge
Post by: Tasty on November 14, 2019, 09:00:15 PM
Post by: bluemax on November 14, 2019, 11:09:14 PM
Did any review ever use "It can Republique my balls"? Cause if not, missed opportunity.
But what does this have to do with Death Stranding? :confused This is the Death Stranding thread. :confusedspoiler (click to show/hide):-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*spoiler (click to show/hide):doge[close][close]
I haven't finished the Blaustein article yet, but it seems like most folks would agree that Kojima's writing is hit and miss without a team of editiors. Sort of like the Magic the Gathering dude that is getting flack for their latest novel now. :doge
We've already deviated into Refn movies, what's a little deviation into one of Koijma's most favorite hangers on?
Post by: bluemax on November 14, 2019, 11:13:31 PM
Post by: Don Rumata on November 14, 2019, 11:59:55 PM
I also think regardless of chapter 3 or mission 51, the game would still be terrible.That's the things though, the gameplay part of it, what you get in GZ without all the bullshit, basically, is one of the best games of the generation in my opinion.
That's what makes it such a weird game, because bad games abound, but MGSV is simultaneously horrid and amazing. :'(
They have an amazing skeleton layered with a whole lot of shit, and it was definitely better than the shit MGS past MGS1 was doing (where the shit controls and camera of the past couldn't support the level design anymore).
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2019, 12:06:18 AM
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celestialbuffalo
It's time to drink 15 monster energy drinks and haul ass to the pacific.
Post by: thisismyusername on November 15, 2019, 12:06:39 AM
We've already deviated into Refn movies, what's a little deviation into one of Koijma's most favorite hangers on?
You're missing me poking fun of him getting snippy in the Flopdia thread. Why do you think he posted what he did? :p
Post by: kingv on November 15, 2019, 12:14:43 AM
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2019, 12:20:12 AM
Licensed VR is stuff that is good for a company making it in that the IP holder over estimates how important or useful it is so they pay you plenty and consumers have such low expectations that your end product doesn't have to be all that much.The Miller Report exposed this through hardcore investigative journalism a few years back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO14P-892rA
Post by: Coffee Dog on November 15, 2019, 09:58:20 AM
There's no humanity to any of the dialogue. All of it is expository and functional. Snake is a character who, for all his mumbles and grumbles, had a colorful history that would frequently come up in his dialogue when he spoke to other characters, and it made them both feel more alive. He gave a shit about guns and war stories. He gave a shit about anything.
Norman Reedus is a fucking near mute, MGSV style, and it means I have a cast of characters with backstories and plot functions but I dont actually feel as if I know any of them in any way beyond how they help norman deliver these boxes. At least MGSV gave you Kaz, Ocelot, and Huey, established characters that you already had some connection to. This game is as if every supporting character in MGSV was Quiet. And that's ass.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 15, 2019, 11:22:46 AM
COME MEET THE HOLOGRAM MAN
Post by: Trent Dole on November 15, 2019, 02:46:37 PM
THIS STORY ABOUT HUMAN CONNECTIONS!It's about connections from stoic ass hyper formal Japan, so.
COME MEET THE HOLOGRAM MAN
Post by: kingv on November 15, 2019, 03:43:38 PM
I'm nearing thirty hours into this game and I don't think I could describe a single character's personality beyond Conan O'Brian unless I label them as "stoic" or "vague".
There's no humanity to any of the dialogue. All of it is expository and functional. Snake is a character who, for all his mumbles and grumbles, had a colorful history that would frequently come up in his dialogue when he spoke to other characters, and it made them both feel more alive. He gave a shit about guns and war stories. He gave a shit about anything.
Norman Reedus is a fucking near mute, MGSV style, and it means I have a cast of characters with backstories and plot functions but I dont actually feel as if I know any of them in any way beyond how they help norman deliver these boxes. At least MGSV gave you Kaz, Ocelot, and Huey, established characters that you already had some connection to. This game is as if every supporting character in MGSV was Quiet. And that's ass.
Outside of Higgs they pretty much all suck.
I think I would like Fragile if her line delivery wasn't trash, same goes for Deadman. Mama could have been good but bad lines and probably the oddest arc followed by the game forgetting about her completely doesn't do her any favors. the game really wants you to like and connect with the characters to, and I'd argue it fails at that almost catastrophically.
Having a super international game that takes place in post apocalyptic America is weird.
Like, shouldn’t everybody have American accents?
Post by: shosta on November 15, 2019, 05:48:09 PM
this game is beautiful
Post by: BisMarckie on November 15, 2019, 10:16:05 PM
I'd rather play MGS 4.
Post by: mormapope on November 15, 2019, 10:28:55 PM
Post by: demi on November 15, 2019, 10:34:02 PM
Post by: TEEEPO on November 16, 2019, 02:45:59 AM
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 16, 2019, 03:31:20 AM
So......Kojima makes better games when a Konami suit is basically telling him politely that if he doesn't get his shit together, he'll be spending his older years in a closet drafting pachinko games.
it's probably some real gem or two back in the studio or older studio that shot down bad ideas, people wank kojima too hard and don't give props to the team around him
like how MGS3 was cowritten with Fukushima who left during MGS IV development
Post by: chronovore on November 16, 2019, 03:59:56 AM
Post by: Coffee Dog on November 16, 2019, 04:12:36 AM
It's kind of funny that when all is said and done I'm probably the guy who liked this game the most in this thread and yet every other sentence I'm shitting on it :lol
I actually really enjoy what I've played as well. :lol for as bad as i think every narrative element is, it's probably my favorite *playing* kojima game in 15 years.
All of my problems with the narrative fall to the wayside amidst the intensity of hauling 300kg of cum and eggs up a steep incline in a storm.
Post by: kingv on November 16, 2019, 12:09:24 PM
Took a peak at a walkthrough and it seems like the rest of the episodes are a lot shorter.
Post by: Svejk on November 16, 2019, 12:39:31 PM
This is gonna sound weird, but I couldn't help but feel like this game is the Dark Savior of the Climax games... Pretty graphics with a neat gameplay twist and story, but it's no Landstalker or Alundra. That popped in my head at 4am with a few drinks in me.
:trumps
Post by: kingv on November 16, 2019, 12:42:59 PM
When I fought it I just stood on a platform and pelted it with grenades until it eventually ruined my perch. Then it was dead a few seconds later.
It basically just stood there the whole time.
Edit: I feel like episode 3 is where you will decide if it clicks with you or not for good. It’s much more just “take the packages back and forth” in episode 3, but you also get more toys to play with.
Post by: Svejk on November 16, 2019, 01:16:49 PM
Did the boss ever literally attack you?Directly?... Not that I recall actually :lol It was just all flashy commotion for the most part. :doge
When I fought it I just stood on a platform and pelted it with grenades until it eventually ruined my perch. Then it was dead a few seconds later.
It basically just stood there the whole time.
Post by: kingv on November 16, 2019, 08:59:28 PM
You can get overwhelmed if you aren’t careful.
But they don’t kill you, they just take your stuff.
Post by: Switters on November 16, 2019, 10:06:14 PM
The only thing that sucks is that I spent 10 hours setting up a zipline route through the mountains and their respective preppers that looped all the way back to mama's lab. 300 likes... while some chode's useless bridge that spans a river you could jump across has 2908729872987289 likes.
I almost had an emotion when you realize
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Post by: team filler on November 16, 2019, 10:19:34 PM
Post by: chronovore on November 16, 2019, 10:56:49 PM
Post by: kingv on November 16, 2019, 11:01:31 PM
Mama though. Oof? Voice acting not so great.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 17, 2019, 04:37:36 AM
Post by: TVC15 on November 17, 2019, 04:40:19 AM
Post by: Svejk on November 17, 2019, 04:52:14 AM
I will say that the mules have downed me once.Getting that bolo gun, I wreck their shit now; Hog tie them bitches, go and kick them, steel their ride, load it up with all the shit in their camp and ride off like a pimp.
You can get overwhelmed if you aren’t careful.
But they don’t kill you, they just take your stuff.
:delicious
Post by: Coffee Dog on November 17, 2019, 05:32:42 AM
I don't know who told Kojima that his game had to have shooting, but forced or not, that's not an excuse to be a shitty shooter. Just dont include weapons. :lol
I'm completely checked out of the "story". I only dont skip dialogue if I'm meeting another character in person.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 17, 2019, 07:13:44 AM
MGS4-Most of them are pretty shitty and the main gimmick are that they references to MGS1 bossess. Just without anything really clever or cool.
PW-Well none of them are hard, but incredibly tedious and time consuming. Espically if you haven't grinded and are playing solo.
MGS5-This game had boss battles? The Frogs are the absolute worse and pretty much the end conclusion of Kojima running out of ideas.
I'm liking Death Stranding, but even then I feel like it's proof the dude has kind of lost it. MGS1-3 are full of so many neat encounters, battles, situation, story telling moments. I think everything post MGS4 has been dry and really avoiding that stuff. I'm finding DS enjoyable, but it is through a lawyer of extreme tedium and lacking of what feel like set piece moments.
Post by: Don Rumata on November 17, 2019, 07:31:26 AM
Or maybe his interests in design shifted, over the years.
Post by: kingv on November 17, 2019, 10:07:52 AM
It's pretty dumb that private lockers aren't universal.
Wouldn’t that defeat the purpose? it’s a resource management game.
Like what would stop you from putting a package in your locker, fragile jumping to a destination, taking your package out of the locker, and then turning it in?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 17, 2019, 11:30:28 AM
Fragile can’t transfer you to every point.
Why have it that you can put cargo in your Private Locker anyway?
How is the system anyway convenient and useful that when I need my extra ladder I bought I need to go across the entire map because I left it at a previous city? It’s busy work and extra tedious fluff.
Post by: kingv on November 17, 2019, 01:24:05 PM
The reason that the private boxes don’t work that way are:
- the gameplay revolves around carrying things back and forth and choosing what you want to bring with you
- a major theme is leaving things behind for other players to find and use
- most items are priced trivially low anyway
Having an item box that works like that would defeat the purpose of those first two mechanics + also doesn’t really matter that much because a ladder is like 10 metal or something.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 17, 2019, 01:32:13 PM
You still have to decide what you bring on shipments as you have rigid limitations. So it’s not like that would change that aspect of the game if private lockers were universal. Resource management would mostly be the same. Nothing would really change. I just now wouldn’t be purposely inconvenienced.
Players can’t get into your private locker anyway so other players aren’t finding them anyway.
I mean you are right in that yeah things like ladders are cheap and this so far has not really bothered me.
It just seems like a dumb choice made in the name of "theme" instead of not wasting the the player's time.
Post by: thisismyusername on November 17, 2019, 02:51:13 PM
Every mandatory fight has been boring as sin. I'd call them bosses but they dont actually do anything? Theyre just bullet sponges. Whoopee. Sam doesnt have any movement abilities, or ways to reposition himself quickly, the guns are all bland and perfunctory, and the enemies just slowly advance at you until you apply hitstun 40 times and then they die if you don't get bored and kill yourself first. At least i could count the number of times ive been forced to fight on one hand and I'm 30+ hours into the game now.
I don't know who told Kojima that his game had to have shooting, but forced or not, that's not an excuse to be a shitty shooter. Just dont include weapons. :lol
I'm completely checked out of the "story". I only dont skip dialogue if I'm meeting another character in person.
Does the difficulty level make a different? Apparently they made a "very easy" mode for Games Journalists to where things wouldn't attack or the like?
Post by: kingv on November 17, 2019, 03:32:51 PM
Then why even have private and shared? What’s the point of private?
You still have to decide what you bring on shipments as you have rigid limitations. So it’s not like that would change that aspect of the game if private lockers were universal. Resource management would mostly be the same. Nothing would really change. I just now wouldn’t be purposely inconvenienced.
Players can’t get into your private locker anyway so other plays aren’t finding them anyway.
You put stuff in the shared locker when you want to send it out into other players worlds. You put in private if you want to make sure you can use it later.
Personally, I almost never use the private locker. The only time I do is when I get an item from a shared locker that is a higher level than I can personally craft, and thus want to make sure I will have access to it later. Other than that I can find exactly what I need from the shared lockers about 75% of the time, and craft things the few times I can’t. Like I almost never craft vehicles anymore, because there’s always 4 in the garage at ever stop.
Post by: kingv on November 17, 2019, 03:36:53 PM
Has anybody done this a bunch of times and understands how it works?
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I went yolo on a section and just tried to drive straight through the BT area and got caught. But like, I got caught by the hands, then one of the big things came out.
I didn’t even fight it, I just ran away until I wasn’t in the black hoop any more and then... all of the BTs just disappeared?! It was really weird.
I didn’t even fight it, I just ran away until I wasn’t in the black hoop any more and then... all of the BTs just disappeared?! It was really weird.
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Like if that’s how it works, it’s almost more convenient to get purposefully caught.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 17, 2019, 03:42:43 PM
As for the bts, yeah I kind of have been thinking it’s easier to engage with them. Like a few gernades are enough to end them or yeah just run away.
Post by: kingv on November 17, 2019, 05:07:16 PM
If you haven’t been checking shared lockers, I would do it. I’ve got level 2 versions of a bunch of the gear from them already.
Post by: bluemax on November 18, 2019, 03:10:05 AM
Maybe Kojima wasn't the mind behind the bosses in mgs1-3, and whoever was, left (which doesn't imply Fukushima, dev teams have dozens of people).
Or maybe his interests in design shifted, over the years.
I don't think Kojima has designed moment to moment game play in any of his games since probably the MSX or NES. He writes the scenario and story outline and some dialogue other people handle the rest.
Post by: Svejk on November 18, 2019, 01:53:12 PM
Post by: thetylerrob on November 18, 2019, 02:31:37 PM
Post by: kingv on November 18, 2019, 04:16:48 PM
I understand that it’s kind of dumb, but I still enjoy it. I have accidentally gotten into a lot of tense moments as well.
Like the time I was carrying a person by truck, and accidentally got stuck in a terrorist camp, and then had to book it because I also had left all of my weapons except one stun grenade in the truck. Luckily old girl ate most of the bullets for me, but she almost died lol.
Had dead eyes anyway when she’s on your back but her little shroud thing was just straight up covered in blood when I delivered her to where she needed to go.
And then got treated to like 10 mins of gay shower bear erotica.
Post by: TVC15 on November 18, 2019, 04:22:47 PM
Maybe Kojima wasn't the mind behind the bosses in mgs1-3, and whoever was, left (which doesn't imply Fukushima, dev teams have dozens of people).
Or maybe his interests in design shifted, over the years.
I don't think Kojima has designed moment to moment game play in any of his games since probably the MSX or NES. He writes the scenario and story outline and some dialogue other people handle the rest.
Isn't it likely he had a lot of gameplay input in MGS? He wasn't a superstar vidya director yet back then.
Post by: thisismyusername on November 18, 2019, 05:55:55 PM
Maybe Kojima wasn't the mind behind the bosses in mgs1-3, and whoever was, left (which doesn't imply Fukushima, dev teams have dozens of people).
Or maybe his interests in design shifted, over the years.
I don't think Kojima has designed moment to moment game play in any of his games since probably the MSX or NES. He writes the scenario and story outline and some dialogue other people handle the rest.
Isn't it likely he had a lot of gameplay input in MGS? He wasn't a superstar vidya director yet back then.
No, he just prototyped his ideas before doing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6aPAncMHKA
Post by: BIONIC on November 18, 2019, 09:22:48 PM
Post by: toku on November 18, 2019, 11:50:14 PM
Post by: kingv on November 19, 2019, 08:12:15 AM
Post by: thetylerrob on November 19, 2019, 07:22:13 PM
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Their parents worked for NASA! :bolo
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Post by: Coffee Dog on November 19, 2019, 08:33:00 PM
Post by: kingv on November 19, 2019, 09:10:38 PM
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Definitely, the dynamics between how they were different and stuff was just too damn much. One has earrings in one ear, the other the other ear. “We’re twins.” “Actually were conjoined twins and I got the uterus and she got the ovaries. I wear glasses and she doesn’t. Please cry.”
And Sam Porter Bridges doing his best Solid Snake “huuuurrrmmm” look was :jeb
I will say that the teeth on “lockne” are really distracting in that model though, and her face moves like she is full of silicone fillers.
also we got the implied lesbian incest and comics about her titties be spraying milk for her ghost baby.
I am genuinely surprised that kojima had the restraint not to show milk leaking through her shirt.
Also the whole Sam in the shower with Deadman, was lol. Like he accurately modeled water spraying off the fat fucks lips, but didn’t catch on that the whole scene looks like some weird gay bear porn.
And Sam Porter Bridges doing his best Solid Snake “huuuurrrmmm” look was :jeb
I will say that the teeth on “lockne” are really distracting in that model though, and her face moves like she is full of silicone fillers.
also we got the implied lesbian incest and comics about her titties be spraying milk for her ghost baby.
I am genuinely surprised that kojima had the restraint not to show milk leaking through her shirt.
Also the whole Sam in the shower with Deadman, was lol. Like he accurately modeled water spraying off the fat fucks lips, but didn’t catch on that the whole scene looks like some weird gay bear porn.
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Post by: chronovore on November 20, 2019, 07:06:36 PM
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 21, 2019, 03:45:30 AM
It's also the part where I realised that the people are actually in the fucking bunkers and they just can't be arsed to get the fucking packages from upstairs. Human connections.
I fucking hate this game. Kojima is a hack.
Post by: thisismyusername on November 21, 2019, 07:06:24 AM
I'm sure with glitches/etc (and probably not patching the game) you can go lower, folks might just do that.
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2019, 05:00:52 PM
Post by: Transhuman on November 22, 2019, 03:23:06 AM
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Comics?
Post by: kingv on November 22, 2019, 07:51:13 AM
Post by: Transhuman on November 23, 2019, 05:33:00 AM
:fbm
Post by: kingv on November 23, 2019, 01:04:42 PM
Trekking to one of the places was a chore, and then boom, once I connect to the chiral network a whole mess of ziplines come in and I’m able to drop a few in between and make a 25 minute trip take about 90 seconds.
Nothing better than just zip lining over some BTs.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 23, 2019, 01:43:25 PM
Post by: Let's Cyber on November 23, 2019, 04:14:14 PM
Dumb trash but I enjoyed parts of it.
Post by: Himu on November 23, 2019, 04:16:13 PM
So glad others beta tested it for me :sabu
*she says as she plays Shitmoo 3*
Post by: thisismyusername on November 23, 2019, 05:12:59 PM
;) <3
Post by: Himu on November 23, 2019, 05:15:51 PM
kojima is also a fave but I know he's jack without someone breathing down his neck.
Post by: bluemax on November 23, 2019, 10:03:09 PM
After that:
6 (19%)
7 (18%)
8 (14%)
9 (14%)
10 (13%)
11 (12%)
12 (12%)
13 (11.5%)
14 (10.9%)
Either people are taking their time or they are just giving up.
Post by: bluemax on November 23, 2019, 10:19:29 PM
Post by: Svejk on November 23, 2019, 10:20:03 PM
Post by: thisismyusername on November 23, 2019, 10:24:23 PM
For comparison 33% of players finished the story in Day's Gone, 54% in Spider-Man and 53% in God of War.
A lot of folks don't finish their games. :anhuld
Could be worse: Could buy them and then never play them, like Steam achievements show with stuff like "start the game".
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 23, 2019, 10:24:33 PM
Honestly, I don't think Kojima is good at making open world games. Good ideas, but he can't seem to help but cram them with lots of tedious shit.
Post by: benjipwns on November 23, 2019, 11:19:08 PM
Post by: Don Rumata on November 24, 2019, 02:14:09 AM
Judging by the trophies the drop off on this game is between chapter 2 and 3. 60% of users finished chapter 2 but only 33% have finished chapter 3. Those that finished chapter 3 seem to stick it out to Chapter 4 (32%) but then falls off again in Chapters 5 (23%).I remember a news item from years back, about R* being depressed that most people didn't even get to Mexico in RDR1.
After that:
6 (19%)
7 (18%)
8 (14%)
9 (14%)
10 (13%)
11 (12%)
12 (12%)
13 (11.5%)
14 (10.9%)
Either people are taking their time or they are just giving up.
Most people just don't finish single-player games, so it's not that telling.
Especially now that everything is turning into a 40 hours "metroidvania" like NuTomb Raider, NuGod of War, Star Wars, Control, etc.
Post by: BIONIC on November 24, 2019, 02:35:33 AM
:dobbs
This post really deserves at least a couple of likes :stahp
Post by: Raist on November 24, 2019, 04:45:53 AM
Post by: TVC15 on November 24, 2019, 05:43:09 AM
Yu is no longer a fave lol
He’s been all downhill since Sword of Vermilion
Post by: Let's Cyber on November 24, 2019, 01:56:11 PM
Somebody of some relevance (Brad maybe?) said that if you can make it to chapter 7, you basically want to finish. But could see people totally noping out around that chapter 3 grind.That's about right. Things speed up a lot after chapter 6.
Post by: kingv on November 24, 2019, 02:26:39 PM
Post by: bluemax on November 24, 2019, 04:11:53 PM
For comparison 33% of players finished the story in Day's Gone, 54% in Spider-Man and 53% in God of War.
A lot of folks don't finish their games. :anhuld
Could be worse: Could buy them and then never play them, like Steam achievements show with stuff like "start the game".
You have to boot a title once on PS4 for it to install the trophy file and start counting.
Somebody of some relevance (Brad maybe?) said that if you can make it to chapter 7, you basically want to finish. But could see people totally noping out around that chapter 3 grind.That's about right. Things speed up a lot after chapter 6.
Good to know, I just started chapter 3 and am being inundated with cutscenes.
Post by: Svejk on November 25, 2019, 11:43:11 AM
Post by: kingv on November 25, 2019, 01:35:47 PM
I kind of get the complaints about the game, but not really.
The story is stupid, but no stupider than any other kojima game
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I love the umbilical core images from Heartman. It’s like every creature on earth has an umbilical cord attached to the beach, and basically the same thing as this happened to the dinosaurs or something... :kiss
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I don’t know, it’s still easier to follow than every MGS >= 2 and probably more memorable. Imo it’s still better than average for a vidya story and better than average for a kojima story.
For the game play, my biggest complaint really is that it doesn’t lean into the logistics part enough. The worst parts of the game are the BT/terrorists and mules and the best part is traversal and route planning. Harder to navigate environments with more fancy tools would have been better, imo.
That said, I sometimes like the madcap Mr. Bean way you can complete missions too.
Like, I had a mission where I chose to drive a truck through mountains instead of take a foot route like they seemed to have intended. I tried to skirt around a BT area by being cautious, but misjudged where the would be, so when they found me I gunned it and basically cannon balled down the mountain.
I didn’t plan for any terrorists so had no weapons, and when I ran into them, I ran over a bunch with my truck... then they stun bombed my truck so I fought a bunch with my bare hands, then got back in my truck and try to gun it over some rocks, and then some churches song or whatever started blaring once I got away in the messiest possible way => S Rank!
Those moments are super hilarious and still kind of tense, even though they are not incredibly difficult.
Post by: Coffee Dog on November 25, 2019, 02:59:32 PM
Moving boxes was great fun, though it needed a lot more variety/wacky package types. Things you need to keep cool/hot, shit with magnets on it, I dunno. Pizza deliveries were my favorite parts of the game but theres only a few. I enjoyed moving corpses or anything with weird dimensions.
Everything with the combat is ass. The enemies all do the same thing all 50 hours and your guns are functionally similar. Sam cant do anything cool in combat other than throw luggage. The game railroading you into combat almosy made me quit at multiple points due to boredom.
I went in expecting this to be the last Kojimbo game I'd ever play, and i find myself more confused coming out the other side. Every type of noninteractive cinematic element is The Room tier, but the game concept was novel and you had a lot of engaging options if you were down with the idea of making deliveries. He bought himself more goodwill than I thought possible with the concept. I just hope that next time he just makes a trashy anime or something instead of wasting money on actors.
Post by: kingv on November 25, 2019, 03:15:12 PM
I could completely forego the BTs and Mules. Terrorists particularly are irritating and I’d go the longest possible way to avoid them completely. The shooting feels very much like MGS5 to me, but it’s just not the point of the game so it’s unnecessary
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 25, 2019, 03:32:20 PM
Post by: thisismyusername on November 25, 2019, 09:56:26 PM
https://twitter.com/anlmearts/status/1196529104666988545
Kojima finally retweeted this... in Russian:
https://twitter.com/Deutschl4nd/status/1199110501734768640
HIDEO_KOJIMA Retweeted
Людвиг
@Deutschl4nd
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3h
Просто посмотрите. Это гениально.
#DeathStranding
#TomorrowIsInYourHands
by David Müller (
@KOPF_STOFF
) https://pic.twitter.com/hv94mxQPpq
:dead
Artist weighs in!:
https://twitter.com/ryuu_hai/status/1199125478419787776
Post by: TVC15 on November 25, 2019, 10:06:10 PM
Post by: bluemax on November 25, 2019, 11:41:58 PM
How is this game doing saleswise? Is it intended to be a big seller or more hipster.
It's Sony's flagship game for the holiday season. It was in development for 3+ years. They saved some money by using existing technology (Decima) and they obviously got some money with all the ridiculous product placement. I'd ballpark close to $60 million for production and who knows how much for marketing (and they've been advertising it during big sporting events).
I don't think it will hit normal blockbuster numbers by any stretch.
Post by: kingv on November 26, 2019, 12:03:25 AM
I was reading something that it was the biggest new IP launch in Japan since Dark Souls.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see it do 3-5 million on reputation and weirdness factor alone.
Another thing I was thinking about was... how can Kojima get the sole writing credit in this? It doesn’t really make sense as all the dialogue is in English, and some of it is clearly localized.
Like I don’t think some of the jokes (princess beach) would make sense in Japanese because it relies on English wordplay.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 26, 2019, 12:11:06 AM
Post by: benjipwns on November 26, 2019, 12:13:44 AM
In gaming, and Japan, this could get murky, but then again with so many actual actors involved I'd think it'd adhere closer to their common standards.
Localization/translations are usually credited as just that.
Post by: BIONIC on November 26, 2019, 12:50:39 AM
In fact, the “written by“ credit is some other dude I never heard of listed alone.
Kojima did credit himself for everything else though :rofl
Post by: Raist on November 26, 2019, 01:13:59 AM
How is this game doing saleswise? Is it intended to be a big seller or more hipster.
Doing OK in Japan; all things considered, the PS4 (or any other home console in recent times for that matter) hasn't exactly lit hardware sales up.
I think it's well over 200k.
Seems to be doing all right in the EU.
When it's all said and done I don't think it'll reach MGS4 levels - let alone numbers seen for Sony's most recent new IPs like Horizon, or Spiderman.
Post by: benjipwns on November 26, 2019, 01:14:15 AM
Kojima did credit himself for everything else though :roflChecks out:
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/oJyA4smLZ0760/giphy.gif)
Post by: benjipwns on November 26, 2019, 01:19:55 AM
In fact, the “written by“ credit is some other dude I never heard of listed alone.
Quote from: https://www.mobygames.com/game/playstation-4/death-stranding/credits
Written by Hideo Kojima
Original Story Hideo Kojima
Writers Hideo Kojima, Kenji Yano, Shuyou Murata
Director, Translation Services Sachiko Nagasawa
Manager, Translation Services Mio Shimizu
Senior Translator Chi Ichikawa
Translators Noriko Sather, Reed Baird, Sachiko Ishida
Associate Translators James Dyce, Karena Fujii, Marko Bursac, Mizuki Miyanishi, Sinya Lee
Assistant Translators Alicia Bull, Yujin Choi, Hiromi Hatakeyama, Emi Ito, Shiroi Misawa, Aya Nakajima, Mengkin Ragan, Hirano Soda, Chi Fukami Taylor, Mieko Ueno
Senior Director, Social Media Sid Shuman
Senior Manager, Social Media Zac Minor
Manager, Social Media Justin Massongill
Senior Specialist, Social Media Leah Sanchez
Specialist, Social Media Kristen Titus
Whistling Clint Bajakian
Post by: BIONIC on November 26, 2019, 02:16:30 AM
But either way, Kojima doesn’t have the sole writing credit :bolo
Post by: chronovore on November 26, 2019, 02:22:30 AM
I'd be shocked if the actual budget isn't closer to US$100M. Yeah, Japan's cheaper to develop in, but factor in Kojima's celebrity friends' salaries and the 3-year running costs across not just the studio, but the mocap, etc. I'm guessing it was a bloated mess.How is this game doing saleswise? Is it intended to be a big seller or more hipster.
It's Sony's flagship game for the holiday season. It was in development for 3+ years. They saved some money by using existing technology (Decima) and they obviously got some money with all the ridiculous product placement. I'd ballpark close to $60 million for production and who knows how much for marketing (and they've been advertising it during big sporting events).
I don't think it will hit normal blockbuster numbers by any stretch.
I wonder if it will have divisive sales by region.
I was reading something that it was the biggest new IP launch in Japan since Dark Souls.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see it do 3-5 million on reputation and weirdness factor alone.
Another thing I was thinking about was... how can Kojima get the sole writing credit in this? It doesn’t really make sense as all the dialogue is in English, and some of it is clearly localized.
Like I don’t think some of the jokes (princess beach) would make sense in Japanese because it relies on English wordplay.
Localizers are writers, but more like the way that a person who translates a novel has had to make a bunch of decisions about the best way to convey the content outside of its original linguistic and cultural context while retaining the intended meaning -- but that is not the same as writing the novel to begin with.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 26, 2019, 03:45:06 AM
Post by: thisismyusername on November 26, 2019, 10:33:30 AM
I'd be shocked if the actual budget isn't closer to US$100M. Yeah, Japan's cheaper to develop in, but factor in Kojima's celebrity friends' salaries and the 3-year running costs across not just the studio, but the mocap, etc. I'm guessing it was a bloated mess.How is this game doing saleswise? Is it intended to be a big seller or more hipster.
It's Sony's flagship game for the holiday season. It was in development for 3+ years. They saved some money by using existing technology (Decima) and they obviously got some money with all the ridiculous product placement. I'd ballpark close to $60 million for production and who knows how much for marketing (and they've been advertising it during big sporting events).
I don't think it will hit normal blockbuster numbers by any stretch.
Also factor in that Kojimbo was flying around EVERYWHERE during these three years (and I do mean EVERYWHERE) while the game was in "development" and those costs go up even further.
We have photos from his assistant that he's retweeted on his Twatter as proof.
Post by: BisMarckie on November 26, 2019, 10:39:35 AM
Post by: thisismyusername on November 26, 2019, 10:44:11 AM
Eh, these costs are negligible and probably can be written off as marketing cost. 500K to send one man around the world for a couple of years from time to time go a long way.
Is it marketing if he's flying to do Refn's cancelled TV series for a day or two? :thinking
I mean, flying to Guriella makes sense (Engine updates/development updates/etc.) but flying to Valve? (I guess for PC licensing/asking how he'd be able to publish it if Sony didn't, thereby getting in touch with 505?) Flying to Italy/Rome/etc/non-gaming?
Dude took a huge long "working vacation" while his team did shit. I can't knock his hustle on that: Sony paid for it, but you do have to wonder what the fuck he actually did while the rest of his team in Japan? LA???? was doing work.
Post by: Raist on November 26, 2019, 10:54:20 AM
Post by: Coffee Dog on November 26, 2019, 11:10:23 AM
The entire game comes off as very cheap, getting as much mileage out of what it has as it can. I'm not saying it was developed for pennies, but given what I played I couldnt imagine the small scope of the game and the budget not being a part of the initial pitch.
Post by: BisMarckie on November 26, 2019, 11:36:40 AM
I mean, you know about it, so yeah. :doge
Is it marketing if he's flying to do Refn's cancelled TV series for a day or two? :thinking
Post by: Let's Cyber on November 26, 2019, 09:27:03 PM
All because the director of said game had a crush on the actress growing up.
Also
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she isn't really your sister.
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It's your President mom's spirit.
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Also your mom/sister/President isn't actually related to you at all.
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lulz this story omg
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Post by: thisismyusername on November 26, 2019, 10:06:53 PM
I mean, you know about it, so yeah. :doge
Is it marketing if he's flying to do Refn's cancelled TV series for a day or two? :thinking
I only know about it because of that dark Twatter image he posted and ya'll talking about it here. I don't care a whit about Refn, so I wouldn't even know and would chalk it up as an unnecessary expense.
Post by: chronovore on November 26, 2019, 11:25:58 PM
You expect game directors to be at their desk every day to write some code? What year is this, 1985?
Yeah, I expect that the majority of a Creative Director's week will be spent with the team reviewing their work and setting direction. I've been in game dev for 25 years. Not sure what experience you're drawing on.
Post by: Raist on November 26, 2019, 11:51:49 PM
You expect game directors to be at their desk every day to write some code? What year is this, 1985?
Yeah, I expect that the majority of a Creative Director's week will be spent with the team reviewing their work and setting direction. I've been in game dev for 25 years. Not sure what experience you're drawing on.
Following Kojima's twitter :rejoice
Not really.
In any case, I think the whole "he's constantly traveling" might be a little bit overblown :lol
Post by: thisismyusername on November 27, 2019, 12:17:55 AM
You expect game directors to be at their desk every day to write some code? What year is this, 1985?
Yeah, I expect that the majority of a Creative Director's week will be spent with the team reviewing their work and setting direction. I've been in game dev for 25 years. Not sure what experience you're drawing on.
Following Kojima's twitter :rejoice
Not really.
In any case, I think the whole "he's constantly traveling" might be a little bit overblown :lol
Breh, he's doing a "world tour" right now instead of patches/fixing things with his team. Him and Shinikawa.
Beyond that, he traveled to visit:
-Valve
-Guriella
-Remedy
-Other game studios that I'm forgetting
During the development of the title:
-He went to recruit Mads
-He went to recruit the women
-He went to talk to Refn
-Then starred in a short-lived "TV" show for Refn/cameo at most
-He went to talk to De Niro in NYC
DURING the development of the title:
-He went to NYC for film-fest/con/whatever to talk to De Niro
-He went to Italy/Venice, I think
-He went to Finland/Remedy (studio)
-He went to Japan (home, granted)
-He went to LA (the Game Awards, I think?)
-He went to Seattle (Valve)
-Guriella's location that I'm forgetting (Swiss? Germany?)
-Etc.
Maybe he does work remotely, maybe he does it on the plane (but how if he's not remote syncing before leaving the airport?) but his Twitter certainly doesn't give the impression that he does work with his team.
Also before I forget: His studio (at Konami) seemed to do weekly movie nights/days where they advertised the latest films or stuff Kojima wanted to see on a builtin board during MGS3-4-5/Peace Walker-6/"5"/Phantom Pain, Ground Zeroes
Now while he's more a "supervisor" role, it really is a :wtf preposition that he's traveling/going to museums (during the Konami fiasco, but that's partly being "fired" and partly before that point), going to film festivals, going on vacation (not a big deal, this one), and the like DURING the development of his titles.
Most developers are in the studio with their teams and only take vacations after the title has launched.
You expect game directors to be at their desk every day to write some code? What year is this, 1985?
Yeah, I expect that the majority of a Creative Director's week will be spent with the team reviewing their work and setting direction. I've been in game dev for 25 years. Not sure what experience you're drawing on.
:kermit Also let's not forget that he's not first-party to Sony, they bankrolled him. But he still has to manage the day-to-day (or oversee the funds/payments/etc.) of the studio that has HIS FUCKING NAME on it. Where is he doing the work/what work is he doing with how much he's traveling?
Post by: Raist on November 27, 2019, 12:49:08 AM
Y'all need to chill :lol
Look, is the dude having a more "social" life than other game directors out there? Well yeah. And he's pretty vocal and transparent about it.
At the same time, how many game directors of his caliber / standing are there? Irrespective of personal (dis)taste for his games, there aren't that many folks he could be compared with.
He was pretty much the last one standing in keeping Konami afloat (at the very least in term of quality of output, and single title sales) for the best part of the last decade, and got unceremoniously shitcanned - granted, with the caveat that we don't know what truly happened. They ran everything else into the ground.
Let him have his fun, I'd say :yeshrug
At the end of the day, he went through a hard reset (sure, with a LOT of help from Sony) but still delivered a huge game; and I think to the surprise of most people, actually on time.
Post by: chronovore on November 27, 2019, 01:22:16 AM
Post by: Raist on November 27, 2019, 01:42:37 AM
One thing I'll say, is that it's likely not helped much by Kojima's wankery (on twitter especially). But I'm wondering how much of that is a language thing.
For someone who's so open / exposed to the western world (as opposed to, say, Miyamoto), he really can't fucking speak english even if his life depended on it. It's kinda weird.
Post by: thisismyusername on November 27, 2019, 05:56:18 AM
Post by: Raist on November 27, 2019, 06:09:50 AM
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 27, 2019, 10:14:51 AM
Wanted the 50000 likes achievement after the credits rolled so I did some extra deliveries.
"New bag accessory unlocked"
It was a tiny Monster Energy can.
Games are art!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 27, 2019, 03:48:41 PM
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Like yeah a woman and her dead stillborn baby is kind of something the game should tackle. I mean the BB's are basically stillborn babies. The story is about life and death. The setting of the world is one where life and death are basically crossing over. Of course you'd want to explore a person who experiences that at the most absolute. A woman. Now it is probably out of Kojima's depth as a writer, but I don't begrudge him trying and I'm not going to say its the most mysgonist thing as some dumb kotaku writer did. It makes sense. And honestly that first cutscene where you meet her is ok. It's interesting. She's clinging to something she feels she has a connection to as a mother(yeah...), but has never really been alive. It really fits the game's themes.
It's just Kojima can't leave enough alone and throws in this dumb ass twist to complicate things. Her twin sister who looks just like her(except wearing some Deus Ex MD outfit) and sounds like her and later basically is her, is also heavily involved in the child birth. To the point that they have a strained relationship over it. They also are like psychics...Oh and Mama is kind of dead herself!. It's fucking dumb and reminded me of Stillman in MGS2(I WAS LYING ABOUT THE BOMB). Here's a simple backstory, lets make it overly dark and dramatic and have the characters tell it to you in intense monologues over and over again.
It really kind of hints at the problem with this story. The characters are very unrelatable, dry, and too dramatic. In a way that sucks all the humanity they could have. A problem for a game about making human connections. All the people are cold, weird, and not really likeable. Yeah, I expect weird stuff, but you gotta kind of ground the weird. A woman with a still born baby who through the spiritual fucked up stuff of the world has kept her connection to it....thats relatable and understandable. Adding all that shit really muddies that and makes it less understandable and ultimately less interesting.
It's just Kojima can't leave enough alone and throws in this dumb ass twist to complicate things. Her twin sister who looks just like her(except wearing some Deus Ex MD outfit) and sounds like her and later basically is her, is also heavily involved in the child birth. To the point that they have a strained relationship over it. They also are like psychics...Oh and Mama is kind of dead herself!. It's fucking dumb and reminded me of Stillman in MGS2(I WAS LYING ABOUT THE BOMB). Here's a simple backstory, lets make it overly dark and dramatic and have the characters tell it to you in intense monologues over and over again.
It really kind of hints at the problem with this story. The characters are very unrelatable, dry, and too dramatic. In a way that sucks all the humanity they could have. A problem for a game about making human connections. All the people are cold, weird, and not really likeable. Yeah, I expect weird stuff, but you gotta kind of ground the weird. A woman with a still born baby who through the spiritual fucked up stuff of the world has kept her connection to it....thats relatable and understandable. Adding all that shit really muddies that and makes it less understandable and ultimately less interesting.
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Still really like the game though.
Post by: kingv on November 27, 2019, 04:08:21 PM
... so many lines in this are :delicious
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 27, 2019, 04:15:16 PM
Thats what I thinks makes crazy sci-fi things understandable by regular joes. They can be a container to talk about real things. But in DS, I'm just like whatever to a lot of the out there shit. The stuff that I can see through a lens of our real world though, I'm like "thats neat".
Post by: kingv on November 27, 2019, 04:15:59 PM
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“I’m fragile but not that fragile”
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I absolutely love the story in this. It’s definitely that “so bad it’s good” kojima level. There are some weird inconsistencies in the beginning though that make the rest of the game kind of
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like when they go to burn the presidents body, they make it really unclear what cause a void out. The game talks about her going nuclear or about to blow or something, which implies that *all* dead bodies cause void outs. I absolutely thought this for like half the game, and it make it really confusing why some characters are shooting themselves in the head while they are being attacked by BTs. I’m pretty sure that void outs are actually caused when a living person is killed by a bt, because that actually seems consistent with the game mechanics.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 27, 2019, 04:17:25 PM
But I do like some of the themes he's trying to talk about. You know, life is very important. To the point that any death is a huge deal. They really want to tackle these heavy themes, but also have this crazy shit. But also seemingly be taken very seriously. It doesn't really work.
Post by: Raist on November 27, 2019, 04:22:13 PM
Also the delivery of the line. I almost lol’ed in one sentence she says the same word pronounced two different ways?! Wtf?!spoiler (click to show/hide)“I’m fragile but not that fragile”[close]
As far as I'm concerned she can pronounce it 45 different ways, I wouldn't care.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/416dhoQK-ZL._SX466_.jpg)
:whew
Post by: benjipwns on November 27, 2019, 04:45:55 PM
The whole Mama thing is peak Kojima.Rahx, I'm assigning you to revisit all of this after you finish because I think it will be hilarious.spoiler (click to show/hide)Like yeah a woman and her dead stillborn baby is kind of something the game should tackle. I mean the BB's are basically stillborn babies. The story is about life and death. The setting of the world is one where life and death are basically crossing over. Of course you'd want to explore a person who experiences that at the most absolute. A woman. Now it is probably out of Kojima's depth as a writer, but I don't begrudge him trying and I'm not going to say its the most mysgonist thing as some dumb kotaku writer did. It makes sense. And honestly that first cutscene where you meet her is ok. It's interesting. She's clinging to something she feels she has a connection to as a mother(yeah...), but has never really been alive. It really fits the game's themes.
It's just Kojima can't leave enough alone and throws in this dumb ass twist to complicate things. Her twin sister who looks just like her(except wearing some Deus Ex MD outfit) and sounds like her and later basically is her, is also heavily involved in the child birth. To the point that they have a strained relationship over it. They also are like psychics...Oh and Mama is kind of dead herself!. It's fucking dumb and reminded me of Stillman in MGS2(I WAS LYING ABOUT THE BOMB). Here's a simple backstory, lets make it overly dark and dramatic and have the characters tell it to you in intense monologues over and over again.
It really kind of hints at the problem with this story. The characters are very unrelatable, dry, and too dramatic. In a way that sucks all the humanity they could have. A problem for a game about making human connections. All the people are cold, weird, and not really likeable. Yeah, I expect weird stuff, but you gotta kind of ground the weird. A woman with a still born baby who through the spiritual fucked up stuff of the world has kept her connection to it....thats relatable and understandable. Adding all that shit really muddies that and makes it less understandable and ultimately less interesting.[close]
Still really like the game though.
Post by: chronovore on November 27, 2019, 11:48:04 PM
I was being lightly sarcastic/facetious, dad :'(
(...)
Sarcasm rarely works in text, son.
Post by: Raist on November 28, 2019, 01:45:25 AM
Post by: thetylerrob on November 28, 2019, 02:43:12 AM
“I thought, I’ll tell her once I’ve become a little successful,” he says. “I didn’t want her to worry.” But she died during the game’s gestation. “The ghosts in the game — maybe my parents are one of them, seeing me in this world,” he adds. “I wanted to have that kind of metaphor, that within you, you’re connected to the people that passed away.” Kojima admits to regrets about not telling his mother about the game. He appears shaken as he says it.
:crybaby
Post by: kingv on November 28, 2019, 10:00:22 AM
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Post by: chronovore on November 29, 2019, 01:38:53 AM
:stahp pls don't terminate me
You and me? We're fine, chap! :-*
Post by: chronovore on November 29, 2019, 01:42:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRqxgbuJ_DA
TFW your bullshit is called out by a manager at Der Wienerschnitzel. :lol
Post by: Raist on November 29, 2019, 02:41:39 AM
:stahp pls don't terminate me
You and me? We're fine, chap! :-*
:heart
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Now where's my goddam pocket money :hmph
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Post by: Let's Cyber on November 29, 2019, 01:50:10 PM
Post by: thisismyusername on November 29, 2019, 02:02:40 PM
AKA: Compare Downpour/et. al. past 4 to it/PT.
Post by: Don Rumata on November 29, 2019, 02:13:29 PM
Kojima pimping his famous buddies over fucking Team Silent members (who have been put on janitorial duties in Konami's basements) to make the big comeback, was a cunt move through and through.
I mean he went on and got fucking Junji Ito for the monster design, when Masahiro Ito, who basically created the visual design of the series, has been begging to come back to it for years. >:(
BTW you should follow Ito on Twitter, he posted a lot of interesting behind the scene on the series.
Post by: Let's Cyber on November 29, 2019, 02:14:39 PM
I mean, compared to post-Team Silent titles would that have been a bad thing?You're right, It would have been a better game than those post-SH4 games for sure.
AKA: Compare Downpour/et. al. past 4 to it/PT.
It also would have been a narrative mess and not much to do with Silent Hill. Even PT didn't feel like SH at all. He needed a new IP for his ideas. I have a feeling he just would have tried to glob some of these DS concepts on to SH rather than make a SH game with a Kojima twist. Some of the core concepts in DS aren't that different from Metal Gear Survive, TBH, which his old team just ran with. I think he's had a lot of these ideas rolling around in his head for a while even before shit went south with Konami.
Post by: paprikastaude on November 29, 2019, 02:40:36 PM
Post by: thetylerrob on November 29, 2019, 04:03:00 PM
The martyrdom around PT is idiotic and I can only imagine most Kojima sluts haven't actually played Silent Hill 1/2. Game would've been an absolutely terrible SH title under Kojima.It's not even just Kojima sluts though, PT became a huge meme on reddit and youtube because of its rarity. I think Abby from Giantbomb said it's her favorite survival horror game ever which is :rofl :dead considering she did her first playthrough live on the internet and had the chat room giving her the answers to all of the "puzzles."
It's still funny to me that people think we missed out on something when the additional concept demo Kojima had made for Silent Hills was literally just hallways full of "boo! spooky monster!" It would have been interesting and unique, but it wouldn't have been a worthy follow-up to the original SH series.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 29, 2019, 04:12:53 PM
Post by: paprikastaude on November 29, 2019, 04:25:59 PM
Post by: kingv on November 29, 2019, 04:54:00 PM
I always felt like PT would have been destined to be bigger than whatever Silent Hills would have ended up as. The gimmicks in that game played perfectly to the then peaking streaming and reacting culture of the internet that celebrated creepypasta. Most would have probably dropped it cause it wasn't PT.
I'm in the camp of being very glad Kojima never got to make Silent Hills cause goddamn are people throwing Team Silent and their incredible work under the bus crying over Norman Reedus, who btw is the weakest part of Death Stranding outside of a japanese IG thot. Kojima getting to make Death Stranding, a glorious mess story wise but fun as fuck videogame, instead of Silent Hills where his skillset would have been detrimental, is the best that could have came out of this situation. If dude wants to make a horror game still cool, do that without calling it Silent Hill and we're golden.
Is the ig thot the chiral artists daughter? Because she was awful.
The dude that you bring her to, I legit thought she was going to end up being his special needs daughter until the mission where you bring her.
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other than the bad acting I thought having them get divorced via emails later was really dumb. Sort of goes against the theme of the game, but didn’t really have any reason to have it be that way because they never seemed to do anything with that. The “oh this woman is driving me crazy” thing was fine enough until he’s like “oh we got divorced and she moved back to her moms. How did she even get there?!
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I’m super close to the end of this and honestly, it’s one of my favorite games this gen. I acknowledge it’s flaws, but it’s better than the sum of its parts for me. The story is fairly dumb, but it has had some twists I didn’t see a mile away, and it’s engaging. And honestly... it’s more coherent than a lot of kojima’s games. I love metal gear solid but still couldn’t really explain the entire story to you. Because there’s so much confusing bullshit, and overlapping conspiracies, and this guy got mind controlled by this guy, and so on.
Post by: kingv on November 29, 2019, 06:36:45 PM
Honestly, many of the individual characters and their quirks are not bad either. They are just all written really poorly. I feel like if Kojima has a talented collaborator that wrote all of the dialogue and helped temper some of his worse ideas, the story could have been a lot better. After reading about his trials tribulations on the translation of MGS, I’m not sure he’d ever be interested in that though.
Still, video game stories in general are graded on a curve because very few of them are more than a perfunctory reason to go from point a to point b so any game that even tries is going to seem better than average.
I could see myself messing around with the game afterwards for a few more hours to see what the side content unlocks and complete some roads or zip line networks for fun... but I agree there’s not much reason to replay it. It’s not really that type of game.
Like, I can say I don’t necessarily ever need or want to play a game exactly like it again, even though I enjoyed it.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 01, 2019, 04:29:35 AM
It really comes into it's own after chapter 3.
Post by: Nintex on December 01, 2019, 01:39:26 PM
:lol
Post by: bluemax on December 01, 2019, 05:08:23 PM
Post by: chronovore on December 01, 2019, 11:26:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRqxgbuJ_DA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRqxgbuJ_DA
:lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRqxgbuJ_DA
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Post by: Don Rumata on December 02, 2019, 05:19:35 AM
PT is like one of those bands that gets popular due to good timing and not actual talent or whatever and then the lead singer ODs and dies so we don't get to see them flame out.I mean it genuinely has some good ideas and some great scares, for what it is.
It's just not this revolutionary achievement outside of its marketing exploits.
And it's a bit sad that a lot of zoomers will associate Silent Hill more with it and Kojima, than any of the original games, but that is Konami's fault for making them almost impossible to obtain and run in 2019.
Post by: Svejk on December 02, 2019, 01:00:06 PM
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the boss fight that initiates as soon as you start transporting Mama. The difficulty for these bosses has certainly started to increase. It got me and/or Mama a few times. Kinda stupid that you have to put her down just to pick up anything else. Finally defeated it with her being 96% damaged. :-\ Came to find out that you can heal her at a hot spring. Got to one and shared a hot tub scene with Mama... :heartbeat Come to show Sam and Mama facing away from each other, 20 feet apart... Mama does nothing to tease or anything... Very un-Kojima like... Disappointing. :hmph
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Post by: kingv on December 02, 2019, 01:33:38 PM
Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 02, 2019, 02:20:42 PM
Post by: Svejk on December 02, 2019, 02:29:14 PM
Post by: kingv on December 02, 2019, 03:53:38 PM
I just walked away. I did hurt her on purpose cause she's an awful character.
Well, duh, Kojima-Sama did a brilliance and made her suck because she is only half a character.
Like all of us, she is incomplete without the strands connecting her to other people in her life.
:stan
Post by: BIONIC on December 03, 2019, 12:29:31 AM
Post by: bluemax on December 03, 2019, 02:27:26 AM
PT is like one of those bands that gets popular due to good timing and not actual talent or whatever and then the lead singer ODs and dies so we don't get to see them flame out.I mean it genuinely has some good ideas and some great scares, for what it is.
It's just not this revolutionary achievement outside of its marketing exploits.
And it's a bit sad that a lot of zoomers will associate Silent Hill more with it and Kojima, than any of the original games, but that is Konami's fault for making them almost impossible to obtain and run in 2019.
That's fair I guess. I never got to play it and I never watched any video of it. Survival Horror games have always felt like someone took all those terrible PC point and click adventure games and decided what they needed were bad controls, inventory management, abusive save systems and zombies. I don't need Gabriel Knight with tank controls in my life.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 03, 2019, 05:10:25 AM
Post by: Don Rumata on December 03, 2019, 07:10:44 AM
PT isn't even a survival horror game, it's basically a rollercoaster ride type game, like Layers of Fear or whatever, where essentially you do nothing but look around, minimal interaction and usually can't even die.PT is like one of those bands that gets popular due to good timing and not actual talent or whatever and then the lead singer ODs and dies so we don't get to see them flame out.I mean it genuinely has some good ideas and some great scares, for what it is.
It's just not this revolutionary achievement outside of its marketing exploits.
And it's a bit sad that a lot of zoomers will associate Silent Hill more with it and Kojima, than any of the original games, but that is Konami's fault for making them almost impossible to obtain and run in 2019.
That's fair I guess. I never got to play it and I never watched any video of it. Survival Horror games have always felt like someone took all those terrible PC point and click adventure games and decided what they needed were bad controls, inventory management, abusive save systems and zombies. I don't need Gabriel Knight with tank controls in my life.
It's set piece after set piece, some of them are cool, but then they tend to get boring and predictable, which is why PT mostly works (being, like, 30 minutes).
Survival Horror as a genre has more evolved into the likes of RE2 Remake, or even Evil Within or Last of Us.
Post by: kingv on December 03, 2019, 08:18:34 AM
Post by: Don Rumata on December 03, 2019, 11:37:55 AM
PT stopped being scary when my friend and I sat there whispering Jareth into the microphone for 30 minutes trying to get the final event to trigger.Thankfully that's the very end of the demo. :doge
Post by: bork on December 04, 2019, 08:50:20 PM
:nope
Man Standing
:ohyeah
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1201840/MAN_STANDING/?fbclid=IwAR0lH40bzQXCdh-2KPBZrHdLOge_k-SwcngvzNlGLVFKvjxVyyIljTdOWNk
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It may seem that the game borrows many mechanics from another game - we, of course, are talking about Hevy Reyn. But do not rush to judge! Hevy Reyn has a completely different story - there was a detective maniac (sorry for the spoiler!) And the main character was looking for his children. And there it was necessary to pass all kinds of tests and all that. But we do not have such tests, and there are no maniacs either! And we don’t have qte either. And we have a completely different setting - in Hevy Reyn it’s not a post apocalypse, but we have a post apocalypse (when the world is after the apocalypse!) !. Do you remember the moment in Hevy Reyn when you had to drive in an oncoming car to find your son (Sean)? So there you go! We do not have this moment either! Therefore, please do not say that this game is similar to Hevy Reyn - this is not at all!
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2019, 08:57:08 PM
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System Requirements
MINIMUM:
OS: Windows 10
Processor: Intel Core i9
Memory: 8 GB RAM
Graphics: Nvidia RTX 2080 TI
DirectX: Version 12
Network: Broadband Internet connection
Storage: 1 GB available space
Sound Card: Any
Additional Notes: *it is uncertain
RECOMMENDED:
OS: Windows 10
Processor: AMD Ryzen 3600
Memory: 16 GB RAM
Graphics: AMD Radeon Vega 64
DirectX: Version 12
Network: Broadband Internet connection
Storage: 1 GB available space
Sound Card: Any
Additional Notes: AMD Radeon Vega 64 is out of stock
Post by: Don Rumata on December 05, 2019, 05:57:30 AM
Oh i see, it just saves the game into the VRAM.
Post by: bluemax on December 05, 2019, 11:19:28 PM
PT isn't even a survival horror game, it's basically a rollercoaster ride type game, like Layers of Fear or whatever, where essentially you do nothing but look around, minimal interaction and usually can't even die.PT is like one of those bands that gets popular due to good timing and not actual talent or whatever and then the lead singer ODs and dies so we don't get to see them flame out.I mean it genuinely has some good ideas and some great scares, for what it is.
It's just not this revolutionary achievement outside of its marketing exploits.
And it's a bit sad that a lot of zoomers will associate Silent Hill more with it and Kojima, than any of the original games, but that is Konami's fault for making them almost impossible to obtain and run in 2019.
That's fair I guess. I never got to play it and I never watched any video of it. Survival Horror games have always felt like someone took all those terrible PC point and click adventure games and decided what they needed were bad controls, inventory management, abusive save systems and zombies. I don't need Gabriel Knight with tank controls in my life.
It's set piece after set piece, some of them are cool, but then they tend to get boring and predictable, which is why PT mostly works (being, like, 30 minutes).
Survival Horror as a genre has more evolved into the likes of RE2 Remake, or even Evil Within or Last of Us.
So it's basically an early VR game but not in VR.
Post by: kingv on December 07, 2019, 11:36:38 AM
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It seems sort of implied that bringing Sam back accelerated or started the death stranding. Like, Amelie made it worse by trying to prevent it. They said something about when Sam came back is when the death stranding started.... but there was also a void out before in New York, but it seems like only one.
- i didn’t quite get the significance of the mask... “it does more than hide my face? Uh, ok, what else does it do? Why does the gold one let Higgs control amelie?
- Amelie’s motivations don’t really make sense. I think if she was better written, she could have been a better character.
- how did Sam not notice Lou didn’t have a hang down? Who the fuck is Lou? I guess he’s just a random BB unit, and not otherwise important.
- I thought Sam might be a BB because there were clues about that (especially in the trailers) but didn’t think that he would be the Clifford Unger BB. That was good twist, and Mads was by far the best actor in this, so that part was pretty good.
Corny shit:
- the whole Lockne Maligne thing was lol. So kojima. Needed more gratuitous titty though for no reason.
- the line “I’m fra-JILE but I’m not that fra-zheel” is hilarious, and I will quote it a lot to my gaming friends. Also, “you’re damaged goods!”
- the part where dead man looks like he’s going to force himself on Sam in the shower.
- i didn’t quite get the significance of the mask... “it does more than hide my face? Uh, ok, what else does it do? Why does the gold one let Higgs control amelie?
- Amelie’s motivations don’t really make sense. I think if she was better written, she could have been a better character.
- how did Sam not notice Lou didn’t have a hang down? Who the fuck is Lou? I guess he’s just a random BB unit, and not otherwise important.
- I thought Sam might be a BB because there were clues about that (especially in the trailers) but didn’t think that he would be the Clifford Unger BB. That was good twist, and Mads was by far the best actor in this, so that part was pretty good.
Corny shit:
- the whole Lockne Maligne thing was lol. So kojima. Needed more gratuitous titty though for no reason.
- the line “I’m fra-JILE but I’m not that fra-zheel” is hilarious, and I will quote it a lot to my gaming friends. Also, “you’re damaged goods!”
- the part where dead man looks like he’s going to force himself on Sam in the shower.
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At the end, I really enjoyed it and am glad I didn’t pass on it. I really appreciate that it has a 100% complete story with no sequel baiting. That is so unusual in video games nowadays that aren’t RPG’s.
I don’t think the story is as bad as some are saying, but the plotting and especially the dialogue is kind of bad. Imo the game could have been a lot better if they had a better writer tightening up the general idea of the game. The broad story arc and theme I think are fine and interesting, but a lot of element landed kind of flat because the execution was not great or the dialogue was weak.
Post by: Svejk on December 07, 2019, 01:38:13 PM
Post by: kingv on December 07, 2019, 03:34:05 PM
I just got to Chapter 6 last night.. Kinda relying on delivery bots more... Fuckit, I'll take B or C ranks... Want to stick with main quests mostly to see where this is heading.
The delivery bots give you fuck all for the advancing of the connection meter. It seems like way way lower tot he point where I’m not really sure the bots are even worth using.
Post by: Svejk on December 07, 2019, 03:54:00 PM
Post by: Svejk on December 09, 2019, 02:19:35 PM
Post by: kingv on December 09, 2019, 04:42:34 PM
Post by: Svejk on December 09, 2019, 06:58:13 PM
Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 10, 2019, 05:58:24 AM
This game is good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI8nC0u_3sU
Post by: Svejk on December 13, 2019, 11:24:00 AM
Really?? Good or not, I'm not planning on playing through this again, Kojima. :foodcourt
Post by: MMaRsu on December 13, 2019, 11:39:39 AM
Post by: kingv on December 13, 2019, 06:07:15 PM
Been trying to figure out how to change Sam's suit color for the longest time... Gave up and decided to look it up... You have to beat the game before you can do that..
Really?? Good or not, I'm not planning on playing through this again, Kojima. :foodcourt
After you beat the game you can just keep playing, like if you want to close out sub quests or complete roads or whatever while stunting on em in head to toe pink.
Post by: Svejk on December 16, 2019, 10:08:38 AM
And boss battle after boss battle... Shits kinda crazy.
:rejoice
Post by: bluemax on December 18, 2019, 12:06:06 AM
Post by: Svejk on December 24, 2019, 09:04:46 AM
So I technically beat it, but there's still some epilogue it seems?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 24, 2019, 09:29:24 AM
Post by: kingv on December 24, 2019, 01:01:00 PM
Post by: Svejk on December 24, 2019, 05:30:42 PM
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"the Inauguration mission" is basically a free mode so to speak? There's no real ending to said mission?
Just curious for trophy purposes.
Just curious for trophy purposes.
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Post by: thetylerrob on December 24, 2019, 06:22:47 PM
Post by: Svejk on December 24, 2019, 07:03:56 PM
Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 25, 2019, 04:50:19 AM
Once you get the powerlegs any semblance of challenge goes out of the window. Just holding the two trigger buttons while pressing forward already ruined most of the challenge before you even got to that point.
Papers, Please did the "turning mundane thing into videogame concept" a lot better.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 25, 2019, 05:08:58 AM
Samantha America Strand :rejoice :rejoice :rejoice
Kojima must’ve hit himself in the head with a hammer before coming up with them :duh
Post by: Nintex on December 25, 2019, 05:41:52 AM
:rejoice
Post by: kingv on December 25, 2019, 10:28:21 AM
The point where people said it was supposed to get more enjoyable actively ruined most of the fun I had with the game. Should've leaned way harder on that traversing is a struggle shit.
Once you get the powerlegs any semblance of challenge goes out of the window. Just holding the two trigger buttons while pressing forward already ruined most of the challenge before you even got to that point.
Papers, Please did the "turning mundane thing into videogame concept" a lot better.
I kind of agree with that, though if you haven’t gotten to the really snowy parts, traversing there is notably harder.
But overall, I felt like the most compelling gameplay was just straight up traversing and building/finding stuff to make it easier to traverse. Any time you are forced into interacting with BTs or mules kind of just ends up sucking
Ultimately, I feel like kojima was scared the game without the conflict from enemies would be too boring so he shoehorned in some combat scenarios. I wish he had the confidence to just go full out into the logistics thing, it was unique
Post by: Svejk on December 25, 2019, 10:50:46 AM
Post by: kingv on December 25, 2019, 12:13:21 PM
Also, like Dante, I think it’s his most coherent story since probably MGS1. Best thing kojima could do (for us) at this point is just continue to make one off games. His name is enough to carry a new up. Even if some are just ok and not great, plenty of people will check them out.
Post by: Coffee Dog on December 25, 2019, 04:30:59 PM
Post by: kingv on December 25, 2019, 05:37:29 PM
The la li lu le lo, philosophers legacy, etc. it’s all just so convoluted and basically just nonsense.
At least I can explain the plot to Death stranding. Mgs4 or even MGS5, I can’t.
I didn’t find the plot to Death Stranding bad, it’s just the scripting is crappy and the acting. It has bad dialogue over explains itself, and most of the acting is corny. But it’s no worse than any other kojima game and probably better than most of them.
Post by: paprikastaude on December 26, 2019, 11:01:59 PM
Post by: Svejk on December 27, 2019, 04:31:19 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 29, 2019, 04:51:10 AM
Let me give like to my hearts content Kojima :stahp
Post by: Svejk on December 29, 2019, 11:54:08 AM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 29, 2019, 04:40:38 PM
Post by: kingv on December 29, 2019, 05:30:59 PM
Post by: Svejk on December 29, 2019, 06:16:31 PM
Was playing with my buddy last night and 1) you can bolo BTs 2) you can piss on them to escape.I didn't know about the bolo gun working on BT's, but I'd full-on R. Kelly them all the time.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/6e8d98b04eec6aa1e0f2f66746543ce2/tenor.gif)
Post by: paprikastaude on December 29, 2019, 08:01:25 PM
Post by: kingv on December 29, 2019, 08:40:37 PM
Was playing with my buddy last night and 1) you can bolo BTs 2) you can piss on them to escape.I didn't know about the bolo gun working on BT's, but I'd full-on R. Kelly them all the time.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/6e8d98b04eec6aa1e0f2f66746543ce2/tenor.gif)
At the end of the game the move for me was to run through bt areas with blood grenades and throw them at your feet. Never thought about whipping out my strand and making em a beach.
Post by: Bebpo on December 30, 2019, 12:43:01 AM
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Spent all day making zip line routes from every station to another across the entire snow mountain and then one down the back mountain to the weather station (which I'll link to the main road I rebuilt between South and North knott). My greatest accomplishment was taking the zipline route down from the Mountaineer to the base of the mountain at the base of the river where there's a private room on my game with vehicles to transfer to across the flat swampland. Since I had all the zip routes setup I did a lot of the standard orders as I was going between them and got a lot of stars and neat gear and files.
Was super satisfying and fun. That and the WHITEOUT part going to the spiritualist were fucking amazing. I couldn't see shit and somehow ended up on top of a ridge and my terrain tracker showed like a 100 foot drop down I had to go past. So I threw down and anchor and started going down and then my floating carrier carrying the fucking rocks just DROPS and snaps off and lands on some cliff mid-way down the cliff. So I have to make my way over to this tiny ledge it's on and and switch to power suit and grab it all on my back including the carrier and then anchor down and re-deploy. EMERGENT GAMEPLAY.
Also the graphics in this snow mountain are fucking insane. Zipping around it just looks nuts and the whiteout holy shit. Now that I played through Control I can say while that has great art, I really think Death Stranding has the best art/gfx of anything this year. Then when I got to the WWII part it was like how the fuck did they push out these visuals. Just blows me away and feels like a 1000 person dev team, 5 year game like Rockstar would make in the visual fidelity of it all. Kojima's team are incredible artists.
And I thought the gun play was pretty satisfying in the WWII bit. Ran out of assault rifles and switched to shotgun right when these guys rushed me and took them all out in a pretty satisfying way.
(https://i.imgur.com/J8EFnVqh.jpg)
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Was super satisfying and fun. That and the WHITEOUT part going to the spiritualist were fucking amazing. I couldn't see shit and somehow ended up on top of a ridge and my terrain tracker showed like a 100 foot drop down I had to go past. So I threw down and anchor and started going down and then my floating carrier carrying the fucking rocks just DROPS and snaps off and lands on some cliff mid-way down the cliff. So I have to make my way over to this tiny ledge it's on and and switch to power suit and grab it all on my back including the carrier and then anchor down and re-deploy. EMERGENT GAMEPLAY.
Also the graphics in this snow mountain are fucking insane. Zipping around it just looks nuts and the whiteout holy shit. Now that I played through Control I can say while that has great art, I really think Death Stranding has the best art/gfx of anything this year. Then when I got to the WWII part it was like how the fuck did they push out these visuals. Just blows me away and feels like a 1000 person dev team, 5 year game like Rockstar would make in the visual fidelity of it all. Kojima's team are incredible artists.
And I thought the gun play was pretty satisfying in the WWII bit. Ran out of assault rifles and switched to shotgun right when these guys rushed me and took them all out in a pretty satisfying way.
(https://i.imgur.com/J8EFnVqh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HFFmAKxh.jpg)
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Anyhow still absolutely loving this. Gonna hold off figuring out my top10 list until I clear this in the next week or two. Feel like it'll probably be my GoTY. Just feels like such a huge epic adventure with so many great moments. Even building roads is really satisfying, especially when you get a lot of use out of them and other people do as well.
Post by: Bebpo on January 01, 2020, 05:21:42 PM
Basically got a little burnt out when I stopped progressing/exploring and started grinding. As long as I was ignoring the grind stuff and just moving forward I love the adventure so I need to get back to that which is my plan for today. Most of my early settlements are still under 3 stars because I never did standard orders which might be why I'm hitting the cap. I've got about 24,000 bandwith total at this point.
Anyhow duckroll gave me a tip for standard orders to look at the estimated likes and only do the ones that give large likes w/premium delivery because that will up the stars up the fastest. I never looked at the estimated likes so some of the orders I'd do would give like 1/8th of a star which would feel like a grind.
I did finish connecting my mountain zipline network to distro center south of lake knott on the main road so between zips and cars I can move basically anything up to 300 weight easily and within a few minutes.
In retrospect though I think the game would be better served if the chiral bandwith cap wasn't connected to stars. Leave the gear upgrades and database files and cosmetic items for upping stars. Those are fun and satisfying rewards for doing them. But all optional. Whereas the chiral cap is sorta necessary for progression and when tied creates a bit of a grind there which the main story progression would be better off without. Death Stranding works best when the gameplay is about what you want to do. Do you want to connect these areas? Do you want to make this run? You should never be forced to do anything outside the main missions which take you to new areas/challenges. This is just a minor gripe though. I got a little burned out yesterday but excited to play today on the holiday and get back to progression.
Post by: Svejk on January 01, 2020, 05:38:57 PM
Post by: Bebpo on January 01, 2020, 05:44:37 PM
Post by: paprikastaude on January 01, 2020, 08:22:35 PM
Post by: Bebpo on January 02, 2020, 02:59:44 AM
and made 0 progress :wtf
not sure how I feel about that :doge
Basically, rebuilt all the roads in the entire map now that I had a lot of mats everywhere (loading up trucks with mats) from being pretty far in and I ran dozens of standard missions everywhere while doing that. Got a bunch of places to 5 stars, and the optional novelist son area that helped me finish the roads over there. Brought my bandwith cap up to something between 27,000-28,000 and the roads let me get rid of a bunch of ziplines I didn't need because of the roads and so I'm down to ~20k usage giving me like 7,000 overhead now. Even spent 2 ziplines going north from Spiritualist to the station by the incinerator because there were 2 online zips in that direction anyhow and it's a shortcut, but could clear them and have 8,000 free if needed.
I have an addictive personality with games and with DS it really easy to just keep going and doing runs and building out the roads and ziplines so you have perfect routes to everywhere, which is kinda dangerous for game time :doge
but it also feels like kinda a waste of time for a bunch of busywork doing that stuff afterwards.
At this point since I have a ton of chiral bandwith overhead I think I'm good to get back and finish up the story. But I also kinda want to finish this map with perfect road or zip routes to every single station :thinking
The only stations I don't have easy connections to are 1) Timefall Farm, and 2) Junk Dealer & Chiral Artist. I don't think there's auto-pavers for either of those areas? So I'm guessing if just put up ziplines from south knott to Timefall Farm across the river (seems closer than going from Weather Station ziplines) and same with Junker Dealer/Chiral with a zipline from south knott to junk dealer and then from junk dealer to chiral artist, that would finish it every place connected so far. And probably only take me about 6 ziplines or less which is 3,000 bandwith so I'm good for that (plus I'd get more from bringing those 3 up from 2 stars a bit).
then there's still the whole 1st map, but given how addictive & time consuming connecting this main map out is I'm not gonna touch that until I finish the story so I don't end up spending dozens of hours on it.
Post by: Bebpo on January 02, 2020, 06:52:15 AM
But man, I unlocked the timefall farms pizza mission with the hand carried champagne and fuck thattttttt. I already thought up a strategy in my head (one thing that's cool about this game is I'll be somewhere and think up a new strategy for moving things), but still seems like it'll be a pain in the butt and take at least like 20 mins on foot.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on January 02, 2020, 07:11:20 AM
Post by: Svejk on January 02, 2020, 09:06:40 AM
Then you'll have this playing in your head as you go...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJPM-M_Z65o
Post by: paprikastaude on January 03, 2020, 11:12:14 PM
Post by: Svejk on January 04, 2020, 01:25:37 PM
Post by: pancakesandsex on January 04, 2020, 06:02:43 PM
so I spent NY day off playing all day. Got like 8-9 hours in :doge
and made 0 progress :wtf
not sure how I feel about that :doge
Basically, rebuilt all the roads in the entire map now that I had a lot of mats everywhere (loading up trucks with mats) from being pretty far in and I ran dozens of standard missions everywhere while doing that. Got a bunch of places to 5 stars, and the optional novelist son area that helped me finish the roads over there. Brought my bandwith cap up to something between 27,000-28,000 and the roads let me get rid of a bunch of ziplines I didn't need because of the roads and so I'm down to ~20k usage giving me like 7,000 overhead now. Even spent 2 ziplines going north from Spiritualist to the station by the incinerator because there were 2 online zips in that direction anyhow and it's a shortcut, but could clear them and have 8,000 free if needed.
I have an addictive personality with games and with DS it really easy to just keep going and doing runs and building out the roads and ziplines so you have perfect routes to everywhere, which is kinda dangerous for game time :doge
but it also feels like kinda a waste of time for a bunch of busywork doing that stuff afterwards.
At this point since I have a ton of chiral bandwith overhead I think I'm good to get back and finish up the story. But I also kinda want to finish this map with perfect road or zip routes to every single station :thinking
The only stations I don't have easy connections to are 1) Timefall Farm, and 2) Junk Dealer & Chiral Artist. I don't think there's auto-pavers for either of those areas? So I'm guessing if just put up ziplines from south knott to Timefall Farm across the river (seems closer than going from Weather Station ziplines) and same with Junker Dealer/Chiral with a zipline from south knott to junk dealer and then from junk dealer to chiral artist, that would finish it every place connected so far. And probably only take me about 6 ziplines or less which is 3,000 bandwith so I'm good for that (plus I'd get more from bringing those 3 up from 2 stars a bit).
then there's still the whole 1st map, but given how addictive & time consuming connecting this main map out is I'm not gonna touch that until I finish the story so I don't end up spending dozens of hours on it.
Junk dealer will get you speed skeleton upgrades, and chiral artist is worth bringing stuff too once in a while for the boots she gives you as a bonus reward.
Post by: Bebpo on January 04, 2020, 07:29:16 PM
Now that everyone's connected, time to get back to the adventure and finish the story. Then can decide whether to finish out 5 stars on the last handful I don't have 5 stars yet for completion. Some of the side missions were pretty good and by 60 hours in and 35,000+ bandwith I had ziplines crossing everywhere with shortcuts all over. Didn't need to build any other structures besides ziplines since everyone else builds those, so spent all my bandwith on ziplines.
So far the "adventure/campaign" up to the end of ch.7 is a 10/10 experience for me.
Whereas the "side stuff" gameplay of getting everyone connected and on the UCA and to 5 stars UBI-game completion stuff that seems about 30-50 hours of content was about an 8/10 experience to me. It was fun, sorta and had some cool experiences, but had a lot of repetition and dragging bits. I'd read forums while hitting X across long zipline chains.
Hopefully the last few chapters will be 10/10 like the first 7, but will see soon! My recommendation to my past self would be to not bother with the standard missions and getting everyone connected and just stick to the campaign which is well paced.
Post by: paprikastaude on January 04, 2020, 07:44:03 PM
Post by: Bebpo on January 05, 2020, 03:55:31 AM
Post by: Svejk on January 05, 2020, 05:08:33 AM
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 05, 2020, 06:24:00 AM
I do think the BT Spawn rate was rather annoying though. Reminded me of Far Cry 2's checkpoints.
Post by: Bebpo on January 06, 2020, 03:07:49 AM
I have some gripes about some of the bits in the end stuff & some story stuff, but damn, what a epic adventure journey. Can't remember the last game that felt like such a big long interesting journey. MGS3? Dark Souls? There has to have been stuff more recently. But a lot of it definitely gives me that epic MGS3 feels.
It's not as good as MGS3 (kojima's best game), and I think MGS1 is pretty much short and near-perfect, but I think Death Stranding is my 3rd favorite Kojima game and definitely the best thing he's done since MGS3. I'm glad he got off MGS/Konami because letting him do something else gave us a pretty cool game. Especially considering they did all this in like 3 years of Konami/Silent Hills collapsing. Hopefully they can pump out another original game like this in 3 years or less.
Post by: Bebpo on January 06, 2020, 03:36:56 AM
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+NPC cast in the world and their emails and world building of people living in this interesting post death-stranding America
+Cliff's story was pretty good. Really should've been the main plot for Death Stranding in an MGS3 way because it gives MGS3 vibes pretty hard with The Boss/Big Boss getting fucked over by their country; Plus it had lots of Mads
+Passive multiplayer was AMAZING. Took what Souls has been doing to the next level.
+World level design is impeccable. Probably one of, if not, the best open world sandboxes in any open world game. You can tell nothing was auto-generated and they level designed the shit out of this map inch by inch for specific challenges for going through each area and for a lot of the 500+ missions. Feels alive and varied and going through a place on foot, with power skeletons, with bikes, with trucks, with ziplines is a totally different experience.
+The main campaign is fantastically paced. Like you're always moving forward into new areas with new physical challenges to get through, often new mechanics and split up by a just right pace of cutscenes that aren't too short or too long and are very entertaining. Also a real good length for a big epic journey feel. While it might not feel like you've walked across all of America, it feels like you went on a big journey.
+Probably the best damn motion capture to date. Combined with good voice acting and good Kojima direction, the cutscenes are the closest I've seen a video game storytelling come to TV shows. Character models were pretty amazing too.
+Overall visuals and art direction were insane. A++ there.
+Sound direction as well. I'd crank up my 5.1 system for this game and it used it like no game in a good while. Some of the sound effects like during the whiteouts and when the giant BT steps in at Edge Knot city are incredible. A++ here too.
+Building stuff was really satisfying!
+Coming up with delivery strategies was great. Really good original core gameplay.
+So many items! Lots of fun gadgets to play with.
+Lots of fun missions
+Shooting is pretty fun. Fun fighting mules, later on BTs and fun fighting Cliff's skeleton mercs.
+Human boss fights were good. I liked the Higgs fight though I wish it was a little more stealth based and you had to sneak up on him, The Cliff fights were fun and I didn't mind the giant BT ones because you had the option of running and that was more fun and faster and worked better. Platforming across the sea of buildings with giant whales was fun with speed skeleton in full dash and dash jumping
+Original music was great and licensed selection was fantastic. Loved the Low Roar stuff. Just wish you had a music player when out on the map.
+Oh and I love all the little animation touches. Like BB swimming in hot springs and all the animations of Sam in the private room. Those are the Kojima touches I expect in his games.
+Cliff's story was pretty good. Really should've been the main plot for Death Stranding in an MGS3 way because it gives MGS3 vibes pretty hard with The Boss/Big Boss getting fucked over by their country; Plus it had lots of Mads
+Passive multiplayer was AMAZING. Took what Souls has been doing to the next level.
+World level design is impeccable. Probably one of, if not, the best open world sandboxes in any open world game. You can tell nothing was auto-generated and they level designed the shit out of this map inch by inch for specific challenges for going through each area and for a lot of the 500+ missions. Feels alive and varied and going through a place on foot, with power skeletons, with bikes, with trucks, with ziplines is a totally different experience.
+The main campaign is fantastically paced. Like you're always moving forward into new areas with new physical challenges to get through, often new mechanics and split up by a just right pace of cutscenes that aren't too short or too long and are very entertaining. Also a real good length for a big epic journey feel. While it might not feel like you've walked across all of America, it feels like you went on a big journey.
+Probably the best damn motion capture to date. Combined with good voice acting and good Kojima direction, the cutscenes are the closest I've seen a video game storytelling come to TV shows. Character models were pretty amazing too.
+Overall visuals and art direction were insane. A++ there.
+Sound direction as well. I'd crank up my 5.1 system for this game and it used it like no game in a good while. Some of the sound effects like during the whiteouts and when the giant BT steps in at Edge Knot city are incredible. A++ here too.
+Building stuff was really satisfying!
+Coming up with delivery strategies was great. Really good original core gameplay.
+So many items! Lots of fun gadgets to play with.
+Lots of fun missions
+Shooting is pretty fun. Fun fighting mules, later on BTs and fun fighting Cliff's skeleton mercs.
+Human boss fights were good. I liked the Higgs fight though I wish it was a little more stealth based and you had to sneak up on him, The Cliff fights were fun and I didn't mind the giant BT ones because you had the option of running and that was more fun and faster and worked better. Platforming across the sea of buildings with giant whales was fun with speed skeleton in full dash and dash jumping
+Original music was great and licensed selection was fantastic. Loved the Low Roar stuff. Just wish you had a music player when out on the map.
+Oh and I love all the little animation touches. Like BB swimming in hot springs and all the animations of Sam in the private room. Those are the Kojima touches I expect in his games.
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Things I didn't like
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-Amelie was a terrible character and the whole story towards the end about extinction event nonsense that was really talky and blahhhh was giving me MGS4 vibes. The scenes on the red sea moon were especially awful ending stuff. And those first credits of having to sit and here bad monologue from her and then wait and then sit was testing my patience. I think the story would've been a lot better if they just cut her character and the story was just about re-connecting America + Cliff/Sam's story. They could have fleshed out Higgs out to be the main antagonist if they really needed a human one, but otherwise the BTs and ghost Cliff should've been enough. Basically I'm fine/like/enjoy the story stuff until Edge Knot City, but from there until the end of the first credits it's all kinda downhill. Luckily instead of ending on that, the game ends on Ch.14 Lou which is a pretty good solid ending, so was happy with the story in the end but they really should've cut out a lot or all of that Amelie stuff.
-The two giant BT fights sucked because they have so much goddamn health it's just bullet sponge fights of keep moving, keep getting more rockets and keep shooting for 5-10 mins until it's over. Once was enough. I was pretty pissed when the whale fight happened (I was already kinda annoyed in that last area that you couldn't fabricate anything and the BT bosses you already beat are back and you have to run from them again but while carrying cargo that can't be submerged), and I didn't expect SPACE WHALE to be the final boss of the game since I thought I was headed to the beach for the final confrontation. So long grindy space whale sucked. The one in Edge Knot is even worse because it's a small arena with a really tall enemy and the camera can't deal with keeping track of the ground level (items) while also the sky with raining jellyfish and the boss.
-Some of the grind to get stations online or stars up is kinda annoying and grindy. Like Veteran Porter sure takes a lot. Artifical caps until you sleep so even if you deliver stuff, the stars don't go up, is annoying.
very minor nitpicks:
-2 parts of the rebuilt roads go through BT territory and the car stops every time. Should've cut a clear route for the roads so that doesn't happen.
-Sometimes you just sorta stumble on nothing and then you crash into stuff and the baby cries and it's annoying :X
-The two giant BT fights sucked because they have so much goddamn health it's just bullet sponge fights of keep moving, keep getting more rockets and keep shooting for 5-10 mins until it's over. Once was enough. I was pretty pissed when the whale fight happened (I was already kinda annoyed in that last area that you couldn't fabricate anything and the BT bosses you already beat are back and you have to run from them again but while carrying cargo that can't be submerged), and I didn't expect SPACE WHALE to be the final boss of the game since I thought I was headed to the beach for the final confrontation. So long grindy space whale sucked. The one in Edge Knot is even worse because it's a small arena with a really tall enemy and the camera can't deal with keeping track of the ground level (items) while also the sky with raining jellyfish and the boss.
-Some of the grind to get stations online or stars up is kinda annoying and grindy. Like Veteran Porter sure takes a lot. Artifical caps until you sleep so even if you deliver stuff, the stars don't go up, is annoying.
very minor nitpicks:
-2 parts of the rebuilt roads go through BT territory and the car stops every time. Should've cut a clear route for the roads so that doesn't happen.
-Sometimes you just sorta stumble on nothing and then you crash into stuff and the baby cries and it's annoying :X
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Overall I really liked it. I'd probably give it like a 9.5/10 overall for the main campaign and like I said earlier about an 8/10 for the side content. So maybe overall a 9/10. I definitely think it's one of the strongest AAA campaigns I've played in a game in a while (and usually sandbox games don't have great campaign; but the campaign was closer to MGS3 where it's non-linear way through a section but still very level designed vs. completely open like MGS5). As much as I love indie stuff, it's nice to play a big amazing visuals and music and VA and 5.1 adventure that's varied and satisfying because the budget is there. Probably my GoTY for 2019. Will look at all the games I played tomorrow and make my top 10 list and see if there was anything else I'd rate higher in 2019.
Also:
(https://i.imgur.com/ZUKAL9Ql.jpg)
3.1% really surprised me. I feel like getting everyone on the UCA is like getting all the towers in an Ubi game and figured a lot of people do that stuff. But obviously not! I think I'd have expected somewhere between like 20-40%, then again my clear time was 65 hours so a lot of people probably didn't want to invest that much time into it.
Still probably gonna play it for a few more sessions and do some more missions and check out a few spots on the map I never checked out and tools I never played with. But pretty much done and satisfied :)
Post by: Svejk on January 06, 2020, 09:29:35 AM
Post by: Bebpo on January 06, 2020, 03:56:14 PM
Also making a game not about shooting which turned off A LOT of people is ironic since by the second half or 3/4ths in it basically becomes an action game with
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guns and cars and grenade/rocket launchers/tranq grenades and you can shoot down everything.
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I think if it was like that from the start it would've reviewed and sold a lot better. But it would've taken away a ton from the game's progression of starting out on foot with just a backpack and a wobbly corpse and making it up the first mountain was a challenge. DS's progression slope of challenge & abilities is incredible. So I respect that the game is not safe.
I feel like this is gonna be a game that I miss as time goes on because it was so original and refreshing and nothing else like it. Feels like it'll be similar to Shadow of the Colossus where it's a cult classic that people always bring up. Just was an incredibly high budget AAA cult classic which is insane but props to Sony for funding it and letting Kojima do whatever he wanted.
No idea whether Sony will be willing to do that again if DS didn't light up the charts, so who knows what the next Kojima game will look like. But I sure hope they give him a blank check again.
Anyhow, I got back to the game because the gameplay is so damn fun and am 3/4th through building out my ziplines and 5-starring all the eastern map. They 5-star so freaking fast compared to the central map it's a breeze and a lot of fun, plus they're all so close to each other when you're ziplining. I've been unlocking a shitton of post-game interviews, so I gotta sit down and read them all since Kojima loves to pack half the story explanations and character motivations into text logs post-game. I have like 35 unread now since the last chapter of the story haha. Caught up on emails at least. Probably gonna keep playing until I 5-star everyone which isn't gonna take long from where I'm at.
Post by: paprikastaude on January 06, 2020, 04:13:51 PM
Post by: chronovore on January 06, 2020, 11:24:31 PM
I wish it didn't even have the shooting parts that it did. Should've had more traversal challenge and tools instead of a gazillion weapons that you can't use most of the time.
Which is a complaint about Mirror's Edge as well. It's almost as though gamers don't necessarily need to have shooting in every damned game.
Post by: Bebpo on January 07, 2020, 12:59:28 AM
Post by: Bebpo on January 07, 2020, 01:03:57 AM
They really hid your stats well under bridge links.
Pretty impressive stat counting. Was cool seeing all my stuff there and some helpfulness in completing my 5-star and some trophies. Built 98 ziplines!
Also learned about Porter trading from looking through achievements. Neat. I really enjoyed the porters walking around picking up stuff on their own. Added a lot to the world feeling alive.
And learned about hard mode. Was wondering why I had 120+ S ranks but no legend of legends. Playing on hard now.
And I unlocked the I guess best weapon in the game?
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The homing rocket launcher that shoots 4 at a time from Evo Devo Scientist at 4 stars
Would've been nice to have this for the 2 sponge BT HP bosses. Guessing instead of 10 mins of shooting at them, they'd go down in a few mins with this.
Used the rocket to murder a mule camp since I never killed anyone the whole game and wanted to see what happens. Lou died from sadness ;____;
Would've been nice to have this for the 2 sponge BT HP bosses. Guessing instead of 10 mins of shooting at them, they'd go down in a few mins with this.
Used the rocket to murder a mule camp since I never killed anyone the whole game and wanted to see what happens. Lou died from sadness ;____;
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Enjoyed the
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Epilogue interviews for each character after the ending that you unlock doing runs in post-game.
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Pretty ok with the story. Great game!
Would probably get my very first PS4 Platinum trophy but pretty sure one of the hidden trophies is gonna be those memory chips and that's one thing I'm not gonna go collect. Only found like 6/54 during my travels.
Post by: bluemax on January 07, 2020, 01:39:25 AM
Post by: Bebpo on January 08, 2020, 04:04:00 AM
Post by: Bebpo on January 08, 2020, 04:12:17 AM
Thinking about going back to this game just makes me tired. Playing it never felt fun, it always felt like work.
:(
I can't relate to this at all. I get some people feel this way hence it being so polarizing, but can't relate. i guess it's like how some genre like rts and battle sims like total war aren't fun at all to me. Everyone enjoys different things.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 08, 2020, 05:05:29 AM
Post by: Svejk on January 08, 2020, 07:37:29 AM
Man, I just found out Del Toro, Refn and all the preppers are dubbed by professional voice actors and I feel betrayed. I thought they did their voices! Thought Refn was a surprisingly good actor. The prepper's surprise me too. They had time to visual capture Edgar Wright by he can't record 20 lines of dialogue?Yeah, listening to DeadMan throughout the game, I was always thinking... "no... he doesn't speak English THAT well....". Sure enough in the credits, different voice actor. :yeshrug
Post by: paprikastaude on January 08, 2020, 09:15:33 AM
Post by: bluemax on January 08, 2020, 10:58:28 PM
Thinking about going back to this game just makes me tired. Playing it never felt fun, it always felt like work.
:(
I can't relate to this at all. I get some people feel this way hence it being so polarizing, but can't relate. i guess it's like how some genre like rts and battle sims like total war aren't fun at all to me. Everyone enjoys different things.
For sure, I follow Kojima's english translated twitter and see all the times he retweets people saying how much they love this etc and I don't think negatively of these people. It's cool that they all found something that resonated so strongly with them.
One of my all time favorite games is an extremely polarizing game as well, so I feel it would be hypocritical as well.
Post by: Bebpo on January 08, 2020, 11:15:04 PM
All his friend hologram cameos are dubbed too. Shockingly enough, Junji Ito probably isn't fluent in American English. :doge
Neither is Geoff, I guess?
Post by: chronovore on January 08, 2020, 11:52:08 PM
Man, I just found out Del Toro, Refn and all the preppers are dubbed by professional voice actors and I feel betrayed. I thought they did their voices! Thought Refn was a surprisingly good actor. The prepper's surprise me too. They had time to visual capture Edgar Wright by he can't record 20 lines of dialogue?Yeah, listening to DeadMan throughout the game, I was always thinking... "no... he doesn't speak English THAT well....". Sure enough in the credits, different voice actor. :yeshrug
It is likely nothing to do with whether or not they can act well enough to be in a videogame and more about having time available to deal with story changes and being able to grab consistently sourced audio in the right environment at the right time: it's just scheduling.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 09, 2020, 12:11:36 AM
I think it is a mix of time and talent.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on January 10, 2020, 05:47:53 PM
Post by: Bebpo on January 10, 2020, 06:36:32 PM
Been listening to the soundtrack a lot since finishing it. Great stuff.
Also watched all the trailers since I never saw them. The final trailer is great but holy shit it spoils everything. Kojima been spoiling his games in trailers for years. One reason I stay in media blackout for them.
I think Conan did his voice, but then again he did'nt have that much and he is'nt the one that really speaks at his bunker.
I think it is a mix of time and talent.
I wonder if it's a guild thing too? Because Conan is an actor and all the actors that act are actors, but everyone else who makes an appearance but doesn't act like Geoff and the directors aren't actors.
But yeah, probably a timing thing. Though I can't imagine there's too many script change worries with the prepper stations since all they say is generic "thanks Sam!" and their actual conversations are in emails.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 10, 2020, 10:50:54 PM
Post by: thisismyusername on March 03, 2020, 04:48:13 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/magazine/hideo-kojima-death-stranding-video-game.html
Post by: thisismyusername on July 13, 2020, 10:28:49 PM
Time to see the train-wreck of Kojimbo's Magnum Opus for myself. :doge
Post by: BisMarckie on July 13, 2020, 10:33:50 PM
Post by: thetylerrob on July 14, 2020, 02:37:39 AM
Sending many likes to everyone :)
Post by: El Babua on July 14, 2020, 03:58:53 AM
I'll find out at 10 cause they decided that 12AM isn't the right time to unlock a year-old game on the day of its release smh
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 14, 2020, 04:12:44 AM
Post by: VomKriege on July 14, 2020, 06:16:06 AM
Post by: Svejk on July 14, 2020, 09:21:14 AM
Post by: Trent Dole on July 14, 2020, 11:52:56 AM
I mean we were relying heavily on transport men for everything for a few months.America still is cause we're run by evil fuckwits.
Post by: thisismyusername on July 14, 2020, 12:28:02 PM
Actual Spoilers for those that care
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#MakeAmericaCremateAgain :doge
Opening is full of "what the fuck is going on :mindblown " with the "timefall, DOOM, CHIRAL!!!!!" terms going on. I don't think I've seen the codex yet and I'm set to deliver the above. So I guess I'll check the watch/handcuff thing later today to see if the codex is in there to explain some shit to me. But Kojima diving deep into the world without building it is a little :doge for getting folks on-board.
I didn't mind the opening, but I can definitely see why it'll be divisive with folks. The delivery/balance mechanic is meant for you to take things "slow," and not just rush around and BIONIC PUNCH! like MGS6/Phantom Pain.
Post by: MMaRsu on July 14, 2020, 03:50:25 PM
Post by: BisMarckie on July 14, 2020, 03:54:27 PM
Installing rootkits by Russian crack groups :ohyeah
Post by: MMaRsu on July 14, 2020, 04:58:46 PM
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Post by: Don Rumata on July 14, 2020, 04:59:06 PM
Im waiying for the denuvo free build to check it out but i might buy it on a sale if its any good(https://i.imgur.com/Vn7eMCu.jpg)
Better put on some good coffee, if you plan to wait up. ;)
Post by: MMaRsu on July 14, 2020, 05:15:55 PM
There are still a bunch of D games uncracked tho
Post by: Nintex on July 14, 2020, 07:06:27 PM
PC version looks great, almost makes me want to pick it up, but it's better to wait for a sale.
Post by: BikeJesus on July 14, 2020, 07:41:11 PM
Story is weird, as expected. Can't remember the last time I played for such a long period in one day.
Post by: thisismyusername on July 14, 2020, 09:06:03 PM
Kojimaaaaaaa this backtracking... :maf :lol
I haven't gotten a five star yet. I'm still in the "tutorial" phase despite being in "Chapter Two"/scene 2.
I set up a button on my Steam Controller to be rapid fire for giving Likes, and can give almost 400 at once :lol
How is that possible? I thought you could only give one like per thing? :doge
Post by: BikeJesus on July 14, 2020, 09:07:57 PM
Post by: thetylerrob on July 14, 2020, 09:19:21 PM
Post by: thisismyusername on July 15, 2020, 12:01:53 AM
I'm a goddamn idiot
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Protip: Don't think "Oh, I can just overload my bike and myself, it'll be fine." 1) The bike slows down 2) You slow down. 3) You run into BT's and can't outrun them apparently (much to my dismay as I did that a few times)
Now I have a shit ton of cargo to haul back to the last "strand" for the first area and a BT area that completely fucks me over. :lol :lol :lol :lol :doge
Anyway: :bow Bridges people make. :bow2 :bow Generators :bow2 :bow Vehicles :bow2
Post by: thisismyusername on July 15, 2020, 08:26:53 AM
(Also the infamous PS4 save-file blowing up is in the PC version. Why doesn't the Decima engine/Kojima allow us to delete saves? I guess for recovery/screwing up purposes like mine but still... geez, I have saves going back yesterday morning)
Kojima!!!!
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:beli Kojima...
(Norman or whoever they modeled the body on has no ass.)
Only on Master Race edition™
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Finished the first actual boss of the game. The weapon combat so far is pretty wonky. I haven't gotten guns (which Kojima showed off in E3 demos?) yet, so the battle was "climb up and throw things at it" and then you pick up the "used" parts of it, but you can use those again even though I have a mountain of blood bags I haven't used. :doge :doge :doge :doge
So after the battle, recycled those. There's deliveries to do here but I dunno how beneficial it'd be to grind instead of going on the boat.
Also Pro-tip: Get the cities back online ASAP. It'll give you the bridges/etc. that people build. I didn't realize this slamming through the notifications until after I left the "network" area (going to the last point of the first area) that the builds don't reach past a certain point so I couldn't drive the Trike/Motorcycle up the mountain to the last area because it got extremely rocky and nobody had bridges up.
Which reminds me: Building is really awkward in regards to not being able to rotate and "ramp" things like the ladder or the bridges. The wind-farm is notable. I saw a bridge with a tree going through it, but you can't place a bridge to have the bike go down a "ramp"/slope to an easier area. So taking the bike through that area (so far) is really annoying.
I dunno if that's fixed on the PS4 version, but I do think Kojima and his team could make it a little easier to build things and have the "strands"/roads be better/continuous instead of these "gaps" where you're able to place a bridge but then you have to dodge rocks to get to the next one.
Post by: El Babua on July 15, 2020, 06:47:23 PM
The fact that Kojima convinced Sony to give him a blank check on this weird ass shit :rejoice
Post by: thisismyusername on July 15, 2020, 10:15:37 PM
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2020, 10:39:40 PM
Post by: thisismyusername on July 16, 2020, 08:33:28 AM
steal them from bases
:ohhh XL Cermics there.
80-100Kg weight. :beli
Built the first road in the PC version apparently, since none of the networks I put up had them until I did that. :beli
As soon as I did that, people started to build roads. :rejoice Being able to use the Exoskeleton on the road (but only on the "power strip" :beli ) :rejoice Free movement and very little having to shift.
Got the Trike/Bike blueprints so I can now fabricate the bike and no longer have to hoof it in this second area. :rejoice I might do a little more road building later on if folks don't do it for me.
I'm trying to figure out the best route for the
Sorta spoiler, I guess
pizza delivery
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Since one of the requirements is "stays flat." So I'm sure climbing up a rope would utterly ruin that and nobody in the network so far has built a route or anything over that direction... So I might have to eat it and go scout that way before taking on the request.
Post by: Svejk on July 16, 2020, 08:39:37 AM
Post by: thisismyusername on July 16, 2020, 08:59:29 AM
Post by: Svejk on July 16, 2020, 09:21:58 AM
Is it? Really weird to have bridges and ladders show up on the Network but not built roads for people to benefit from "those that came before." Until you do one yourself.Yeah... not sure how that works, but that'd be too ironic if so. lol And I wouldn't worry about finding stuff on building a trike, I think you repair your first one, but after that, just steal them or snag ones that people upload. Stealing them though, you can store them in your garage for later.... if I remember correctly.
Post by: thisismyusername on July 16, 2020, 09:31:00 AM
I'm not sure when the Corpse Disposal truck unlocks, as I see those in the bases but "LOCKED!" :doge
Post by: thisismyusername on July 16, 2020, 06:16:44 PM
Bridge Grade went from like 4 to 32 just from a minute delivery via a bridge I built, a long-distance Bike/Tryke I built (since it's in no-mans land of no Networks/buildings) and getting there with it "flat" (though riding with a boost tilted it a little. :doge)
Post by: Bebpo on July 16, 2020, 08:22:16 PM
This game is so satisfying though when you plan a great route and execute on it. Feel like a boss 8)
Wait until you get further. So much fun building routes.
My brother still hasn't played DS even though he likes MGS because he feels like it's going to be another one of those RDR2 kind of long ass cinematic story games and he finds those boring. I keep telling him that DS is like the exact opposite of that. DS is totally a gameplay af game.
Post by: thisismyusername on July 16, 2020, 08:45:10 PM
*Spongebob THREE HOURS LATER...*
Lost my bike fording rivers (reloading like 5 times), lost it near the scripted BT segment since rocks mean I can't get a good road over there so I abandoned it. Hopefully it'll be there when I load back in, but I got some deliveries done and got the third level Exoskeleton so now I should probably craft level 2 and 3 just to have them in my armory since the level 1 has been doing some decent work with the bike on battery from the Network.
Most folks are helping. I've been getting a bunch of "materials put in your road" notifications and the like, which is good. But there's no roads past the three outposts right now. :rage
I just want to Tryke across the map at this point. If there's one thing I wish Kojima would update it's the bike speed on boost. It still feels a little "slow" to me.
Post by: Bebpo on July 16, 2020, 09:26:19 PM
Post by: thisismyusername on July 17, 2020, 12:18:36 AM
Post by: thisismyusername on July 17, 2020, 08:46:56 AM
Truckin' and Building Roads, is what I crave.
Got roads built past the mid-way mark to the Distribution Center. Thanks... to nobody but me. :doge
Now I'm trying to build the road from the Distribution Center to the last link but the material costs skyrocket and I can't put in contracts for people to put the materials into the road. :doge :'( Time to hunt MULES, I guess... >:(
Post by: chronovore on July 17, 2020, 10:26:27 PM
Post by: Bebpo on July 17, 2020, 11:36:30 PM
I'll look forward to playing this once it's on megadiscount or PS+ and the surge of new players will make the landscape replete with bridges and stuff.
Has the game been on sale at all digitally on PS4? I keep checking every sale to tell my brother to finally buy it, but it never seems to be discounted at all.
Post by: thisismyusername on July 17, 2020, 11:41:30 PM
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Post by: thisismyusername on July 18, 2020, 01:27:23 AM
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Post by: thisismyusername on July 18, 2020, 10:08:55 PM
Game: "Go back to Mama."
Me: "Ok, I'll just climb the mountain, it's a straight-shot down."
*Spongebob font: AN HOUR, THREE BUSTED SHOES, DODGING BT'S AND SNOW DAMAGING YOUR FEET WITH SANDALWOOD LATER...*
Me: Made it.
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Kojima/Higs: LOL BOSS TIME BITCH.
Mama: Run!!!
Me: Fuck that, I've got the materials to make blood grenades and an assault rifle. I'm shoving Higg's boss back up his ass.
Mama: Run!!!
Me: Fuck that, I've got the materials to make blood grenades and an assault rifle. I'm shoving Higg's boss back up his ass.
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Post by: Don Rumata on July 18, 2020, 10:34:09 PM
Loving the gameplay parts, but these Kojima cutscenes are killing me, i'm not used to his 4 hours of pointless exposition anymore. :stahp
Post by: thisismyusername on July 19, 2020, 02:09:11 AM
Road Autism
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2hours:30mins to do this mission because I was building roads from the starting area->mid-way distribution center (started here since the road I built a few days ago got here)->Mama's lab/city.
Go back and forth to get materials from the player-built shelters (sorry to anyone keeping materials there, but fuck you for not building roads earlier), build out from Mama's Lab to the Incenerator on the map and beyond that to the Distribution Center in the mountains. At that point I run out of materials and take the truck across the rivers up to the final stretch. Find a player built shelter, go "Fuck, let me see those materials."
Slight spoilers for Don
SLAM! fall over backwards onto Mama while being chased by Terrorist MULEs.
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Sam: "OH MY GOD! I'm so sorry!!! Are you ok?"
16% damage.
At that point, I put the materials into the road next to the shelter (>:| not finished) and deliver the cargo to the area. Results above.
Post by: thisismyusername on July 19, 2020, 08:50:09 AM
Sam's lines during these moments. :fbm :fbm
Kojima made a M-pregger fanfic.
Post by: thisismyusername on July 19, 2020, 02:23:28 PM
[NEW E-MAIL!] The Mountainer: "Don't get caught in the Whiteout!!!!"
Me/Sam in the middle of said Whiteout checking the e-mail quickly: :beli :comeon :beli :goty2
Chapter 7: :lawd
Game spoilers
The explanation scenes for Norman and Mads. :lawd :lawd :lawd
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This game is for parents, it seems.
Post by: Bebpo on July 19, 2020, 03:24:12 PM
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That Zipline Life
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Post by: thisismyusername on July 19, 2020, 03:43:40 PM
Post by: Bebpo on July 19, 2020, 03:55:33 PM
You thought building roads was fun? Now it's time to build networks
Post by: thisismyusername on July 19, 2020, 04:11:40 PM
they're placing them in stupid areas where getting off throws you down a mountain. :doge
I would build the network, but testing it is a fools errand.
Also apparently you can't choose a direction for the zipline if there's multiple connected to one.
Post by: Bebpo on July 19, 2020, 04:18:00 PM
Also building zipworks is a strategy of using the existing ones that are at weird places to make the mid-point sections between the ones you put down since bandwidth is limited.
Post by: thisismyusername on July 19, 2020, 04:30:17 PM
Post by: Bebpo on July 19, 2020, 05:10:50 PM
Post by: thisismyusername on July 19, 2020, 05:33:06 PM
"Yeah boiiiii!!!"
(20 Likes have been deducted by Heartman.)
:lol
Post by: thisismyusername on July 19, 2020, 10:00:34 PM
Actual game spoilers
How to cross the Tar Ocean
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Which the game doesn't explain. At least in an e-mail I haven't gotten yet, and nothing ordered/required yet...
So I might go back and 5-star EVERYTHING connected and see if I can get a few of the dark-zone areas on the network and maybe finish building roads until/when the game tells me the information?
Edit: OH I AM A MORON. :snoop I can't believe the answer was that obvious.
Post by: thisismyusername on July 20, 2020, 01:12:36 AM
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Higgs has his eyeshadow on fleek, like a coworker of mine. :doge
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Higgs has his eyeshadow on fleek, like a coworker of mine. :doge
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Final boss time!
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Holy shit, Kojima: You madman! Pulling a MGS4 on us! :doge
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TYSON'D! :doge
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TYSON'D! :doge
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Oh wait, one more. Got an e-mail after all of this ending:
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I guess I should've delivered those fucking pizza's instead of rushing to the end? :doge :doge :doge :doge
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Whole load of spoilers coming
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I mean... the Eyeshadow was a dead giveaway of that... :supergay
OH GOD WHEN WILL THE SPOILERS END
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Game Over, man! Game Over!
Just kidding, we're still on the Crazy Train... 
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Nearly there, I swear!
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*Fast Forward screech as Kojima REALLY FUCKING EXPO DUMPS HERE. LIKE AN HOUR OF IT. REALLY.*
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I dunno if this is in the "Photo Mode" but I love this filter effect in this scene. Makes him look like a zombie.
I'll keep spoilerin'
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Final ones, promise!
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:fbm BB/Lou died. :(
Kojima: BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE!
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Post by: Bebpo on July 21, 2020, 12:32:33 AM
My favorite game last year.
Post by: kingv on July 21, 2020, 05:05:52 PM
I'll look forward to playing this once it's on megadiscount or PS+ and the surge of new players will make the landscape replete with bridges and stuff.
I am pretty sure there is some kind of gated limits to how much they will pull into your game. Getting a really great route set up is damn satisfying though.
Post by: thisismyusername on July 22, 2020, 12:09:08 AM
fwiw the Pizza delivery missions are intentionally troll missions. The one from the farm....fffffuuuuu
You weren't kidding. Holding R2 all the while crossing the infamous water-fall area to then get on the :bow road I built :bow2 (:piss Rest of the Community not helping me :piss2 ) to get there in 30 mins or less. :doge
There's apparently two more. I got one triggered doing the PChad Hale-LifexPortalxDS cross over event so that leaves one more after that, but this one is in the mountains. :stahp
Post by: thisismyusername on July 23, 2020, 09:42:05 AM
Built a zipline Network up there nearly by myself. Dude isn't on the Network yet, so I now have to do their shit before building a zipline to zipline down to Mountain KNot and go around the mountain on my :bow roads :bow2 to deliver this last one.
Post by: thisismyusername on July 29, 2020, 05:35:13 PM
Post by: thisismyusername on July 31, 2020, 10:05:37 PM
Post by: Bebpo on July 31, 2020, 10:52:15 PM
Well, got all the places to 5 stars finally. Now that leaves finding the last 40 or so memory chips I didn't get. :lol :doge
Please tell me you eventually built a zipline network.
Post by: thisismyusername on July 31, 2020, 11:50:47 PM
Well, got all the places to 5 stars finally. Now that leaves finding the last 40 or so memory chips I didn't get. :lol :doge
Please tell me you eventually built a zipline network.
Yeah, for the mountain and East Coast. The flat-area of the mountains for the most part already had bridges and my road network to where it wasn't completely awful doing those. In fact, I can go from Capital Knot to Lake Knot in the East Coast with little branches for the other ones right now until they decay. :lol :doge
However, Max Payne/Sam Lake and the Fimitsu dude took FOREVER, IMO to do. The others weren't too bad.
Post by: Bebpo on July 31, 2020, 11:51:56 PM
I got really into zip network and networked every single relay station together via ziplines in the main map. Was satisfying and made it a no brainer to 5 star most of them. Definitely took time & effort though.
Post by: Coax on October 22, 2020, 03:40:18 AM
Not explicitly spoilerly but tagged all the same
Wasn't expecting the game to tie things together in such a touching way, particularly after the long beach sequence and its 'conclusion' (read after the fact in a comment apparently the IGN reviewer who gave it a poor score only played this far :p, though I avoided all reviews). Not sure any game I've seen nail such convincing crying rendering, apart from the solid performances themselves.
I enjoyed the sprinkling of levity brought by Heartman and also various of Higgs' sequences, particularly the latter's last fight styles. Only a Japanese game would throw in that. Also nice nod to Refn's lighting style in Heartman's room. Solid game, despite some grindy stretches if one wants better items. Was impressed at the snow traversal and effects, so those sections I didn't mind as much.
I enjoyed the sprinkling of levity brought by Heartman and also various of Higgs' sequences, particularly the latter's last fight styles. Only a Japanese game would throw in that. Also nice nod to Refn's lighting style in Heartman's room. Solid game, despite some grindy stretches if one wants better items. Was impressed at the snow traversal and effects, so those sections I didn't mind as much.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 22, 2020, 03:59:16 AM
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I totally did not expect Sam to be Madd's kid, even though the timelines made sense. Nice twist and wrapped up real well with the hug.
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Post by: kingv on October 29, 2020, 08:34:22 PM
It still has confusing kojima shit but makes a lot more sense than MGs4 or 5
Post by: Svejk on June 10, 2021, 02:30:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVTS0iPfWc8
Oh Kojima.. you sly bastard
Post by: Bebpo on June 10, 2021, 02:38:21 PM
Post by: Svejk on June 10, 2021, 03:23:52 PM
Didn't watch the trailer. Any difference from PC release?Not sure... but you should watch it if you like Metal Gear in any way. ;)
Post by: Bebpo on June 10, 2021, 03:25:18 PM
Didn't realize it was just a troll teaser. Fucking Kojima lol
Still gonna assume it's just the PC version with a few extra things added.
Game is my GoTY 2019 and love it, but it's long as fuck and no way I'm gonna replay it for a few new things.
Post by: Don Rumata on June 10, 2021, 10:44:38 PM
Post by: chronovore on June 11, 2021, 02:50:40 AM
Director's Cut is coming to PS5....
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Oh Kojima.. you sly bastard
Christ, that was self-indulgent.
Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 11, 2021, 02:59:21 AM
Post by: Svejk on September 24, 2021, 06:46:20 AM
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While the average game director would have players simply port their saves from the PlayStation 4 to the PlayStation 5 via some unobtrusive menu, Hideo Kojima is built different. No, players who want to play Death Stranding Director’s Cut on PS5 for high framerates and fast load times will have to lace up their boots and take on one last delivery, literally carrying their old save to the PS5.:aweshum
Post by: Let's Cyber on September 26, 2021, 02:52:22 PM
:rejoice
The new content and missions are pretty brief but there is a lot of new music, most of it great. Especially the new music for the racetrack. I didn't play the PC version so I can't tell what is just PC adds-ons vs DC stuff, other than the obvious nods to Valve and Half-life. I don't know if I'll start a new game or not, I liked the original plenty but it isn't really the type of thing you do multiple playthroughs of. I might finish the road through the mountains and do a few more missions; it is a really good looking game.
Post by: Bebpo on September 26, 2021, 03:15:54 PM
The funniest thing is that watching the trailers I was like bad racing mini-game is the most unneeded thing ever. But if I boot this up and move over my save, since I have zero interest in redoing the main game, I'll probably just fuck around with the racing mini-game. Maybe do the 20 mins of new missions and shooting range stuff if I can jump right into them.
Sounds like about an hour of new content total. But mostly just bought it since it's a great game and having a nicer looking/running version if I ever want to boot it up 5 years from now is worth $10.
Post by: Let's Cyber on September 26, 2021, 03:38:28 PM
A lot of the new stuff is nice but not necessary. The maser gun is great for short range but I still prefer the bola gun. Most of the new vehicles are good from a QoL perspective (bike with the extra storage, bike with super jump, roadster is awesome for quickly traversing roads) but if you've already beat the game, what is the point? I'm jealous of the people playing this brand new because it's a better game now with more options, just not a must replay thing for old players.
Post by: naff on September 26, 2021, 08:14:24 PM
Yeah, the new missions are pretty brief. The new location looks great visually but it just isn't a ton of content. Adjust expectations accordingly.
A lot of the new stuff is nice but not necessary. The maser gun is great for short range but I still prefer the bola gun. Most of the new vehicles are good from a QoL perspective (bike with the extra storage, bike with super jump, roadster is awesome for quickly traversing roads) but if you've already beat the game, what is the point? I'm jealous of the people playing this brand new because it's a better game now with more options, just not a must replay thing for old players.
that's me (not buying rn, but soon)
Post by: Bebpo on September 27, 2021, 12:26:10 AM
Game looks great on PS5 at 60fps in performance.
The firing range is kinda fun as a VR Missions expansion pack, but also kinda shows the jankiness of the stealth/combat compared to like MGS controls. It's still fun, but there's only 30? missions and they seem pretty easy so I don't see much meaty content in that.
Doing the new missions now. Then will check out building the race track. The new gun seems pointless since you already had the bola gun which was OP as is. Haven't tried the new cargo catipults.
Post by: Bebpo on September 27, 2021, 01:49:53 AM
*Oh they're replayable boss fights. I wonder where you access them from?
Post by: Let's Cyber on September 27, 2021, 03:16:02 AM
Post by: Bebpo on September 27, 2021, 03:53:41 AM
It's ...ok (the new music is good). How do you get the plans to build the roadster outside the races?
*edit* nm, gotta get those good S rank times. Eh, I'm probably good on the new content at this point. Was alright, but mostly just made me want to replay the actual game for the main experience.
Post by: Kurt Russell on September 27, 2021, 01:04:59 PM
NOICE.
Post by: Bebpo on September 27, 2021, 04:08:54 PM
Ooooof I had no idea that it was a $10 u/g. I'm ready to rebuild my ziplines.
NOICE.
They’re still there,
Just probably on the brink of deterioration.
I’m surprised how few people ever bother upgrading their structures to even lvl.2; the new jump one you get extra distance/air and pretty much need lvl.2 for more than a hop.
Post by: Bebpo on September 27, 2021, 09:25:23 PM
Need that roadster before I shelve it :lol
Post by: Bebpo on September 27, 2021, 11:01:44 PM
That long range Roadster is disgustingly fast on normal roads outside the race track :O
Post by: Coax on September 28, 2021, 03:07:14 AM
I’m surprised how few people ever bother upgrading their structures to even lvl.2; the new jump one you get extra distance/air and pretty much need lvl.2 for more than a hop.
From video clips I saw the jump legs made it look like it'd kinda break the game, in that it appeared you can jump from any height and land without damaging the deliverables, which seems super OP given it's a core mechanic of the game to manage damage which leads to alternate on-foot traversal/routing.
Is it some late-game only item or is the level upgrade pricey enough that you think it'd offset this?
Post by: Let's Cyber on September 28, 2021, 03:17:04 PM
Got all my S-ranks.Yup. It's god-tier on the road and absolute fucking garbage anyway else. :lol
That long range Roadster is disgustingly fast on normal roads outside the race track :O
Post by: Bebpo on September 28, 2021, 04:55:31 PM
I’m surprised how few people ever bother upgrading their structures to even lvl.2; the new jump one you get extra distance/air and pretty much need lvl.2 for more than a hop.
From video clips I saw the jump legs made it look like it'd kinda break the game, in that it appeared you can jump from any height and land without damaging the deliverables, which seems super OP given it's a core mechanic of the game to manage damage which leads to alternate on-foot traversal/routing.
Is it some late-game only item or is the level upgrade pricey enough that you think it'd offset this?
I mean, yes they are awesome and pretty useful to skip portions of the environment you normally have to tread carefully through.
https://youtu.be/25R_lni7dPQ
That being said, they don't cover a ton of distance, so if I was replaying the game I'd just use them in specific spots you traverse regularly that slow you down on foot. Also zip-lines probably make them irrelevant anyhow and they seem more like a stop-gap before you get zip-lines.
Cargo cannon seems the most broken. But again the distance isn't huge so zip-lines still beat them. I feel like pre-zip-lines you'd want to make a daisy-chain of cargo cannons to cross difficult areas.
I'm curious if the cargo cannon reach will cross the giant waterfall gap. Even then you'd still have to get over it yourself.
These are fun things to play around with, but without replaying the game not sure how useful they are.
Got all my S-ranks.Yup. It's god-tier on the road and absolute fucking garbage anyway else. :lol
That long range Roadster is disgustingly fast on normal roads outside the race track :O
Just another reason to build all the roads!
Post by: kingv on September 28, 2021, 09:14:57 PM
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Post by: Raist on September 30, 2021, 02:26:13 AM
Does Death Stranding have an actual photo mode?
Touch pad, press the left side.
Post by: chronovore on November 23, 2022, 02:37:51 AM
I like open-world-games and learning ways to use terrain to cleverly gain advantage in missions. However, I don't think Kojima is a genius, and don't like janky controls.
Should I buy it?
Post by: Bebpo on November 23, 2022, 02:52:52 AM
So this game is finally US$20 on PSN. Should I get it?
I like open-world-games and learning ways to use terrain to cleverly gain advantage in missions. However, I don't think Kojima is a genius, and don't like janky controls.
Should I buy it?
Game is an amazing experience. Worth every penny. Has nothing to do with how much you like Kojima outside being able to sit through the first few hours of cutscenes/tutorials in the intro chapter.
Game is all about using terrain to gain an advantage in non-combat situations. It's about building roads and ziplines and optimized routes to speedrun from one spot to another. Very satisfying when you build your own transportation system and level up from it.
The controls aren't janky at all. Some reviewers were dumb and didn't realize you're supposed to hold L2+R2 to balance when running around with heavy loads.
It's mostly gameplay/exploration focused. There is a good amount of story, most of it is enjoyable nonsense. There are some good bits to the story and some bad ones. Your level of Kojima tolerance will determine if you can sit through the cutscenes or you go make a sandwich.
The gameplay is excellent however. The art is also great and the soundtrack is very, very good and will likely introduce you to some new artists.
But yeah, expect a long intro. I enjoyed it because I had no idea what the game was going to be like and the intro slowly introduces it piece by piece which I found fun. But it's like a 5 hour intro until you get to the real open-ended meat of the gameplay.
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Post by: Kurt Russell on November 23, 2022, 12:41:51 PM
If you're happy to spend the time working on the side quests and sitting through the exposition, you'll have a blast.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 23, 2022, 01:43:49 PM
Post by: chronovore on November 28, 2022, 01:09:48 AM
Post by: Raist on November 28, 2022, 12:40:24 PM
Post by: chronovore on November 28, 2022, 07:59:42 PM
When MGS 3 won Tokyo Game Show's BEST GAME award for showing a cinematic running on PS3 hardware, I signed off on ever being interested in it.
Post by: chronovore on January 31, 2023, 07:37:27 PM
I immediately remembered why I closed the game out last time. Sam is sitting in his room, and the game won’t let me leave until I have highlighted every interactive item in it, and sent through the exposition associated with it. I sat through that.
When I attempted to leave the room, I started skipping cutscenes. I had to consecutively skip five or six times just to get to the point where I was allowed to interact with my character again.
And I tackled the mission where we build the first part of the CHIRAL Network by visiting an outpost. That wasn’t too bad. They let me navigate the terrain without getting jumped, and they let me overload my pack to show me how it affects my movement and navigation.
Cool.
The next mission goal was on the othe side of a mountain. It was raining. Was I supposed to seek shelter, like the introductory scene implied? Is waiting… gameplay? I pressed on in the rain, and encountered BEs which I can’t remember what it stands for, but are meant to be threatening. After stealthing for 5 minutes, they find me anyway and transform the landscape into an oil drenched hell. I fled, then lost my first package trying to cross a river.
I found a camp. It was raining. Clearly this was meant as respite. I entered, and there were a half dozen techwear bandits inside, all aware and attacking me at once. I fled up the mountainside, escape, but can’t find a path to my destination. The rain finally began damaging my packages. There was no path forward.
Out of curiosity, I reloaded from last Save data, and it is before the BE encounter. I will probably try again, but despite the immersion I am not finding this /fun/.
Post by: Bebpo on January 31, 2023, 10:43:18 PM
You are not supposed to go into raider camps unless you are looking for a fight or to steal shit. Camps are not your friends. Outposts are. If you run into bandits, do some fighting and grab a car and run for it.
Don't worry about the rain. There's no waiting around gameplay for weather changes. They are positional and cover a certain amount of ground, not time based iirc. If it rains it's just supposed to be an obstacle on your path. Also rain = BTs, so where there are BTs on your path there is rain.
All this just sounds like early hurdles. The gameplay is pretty organic but moderately complex like past Kojima games. If you stick with it you'll get good at it and the game will keep giving you more tools to make things easier and more fun.
Post by: chronovore on February 01, 2023, 12:10:56 AM
Fucking hell, you just KNOW that Kojima pushed for unskippable, and only begrudgingly allowed it with these caveats.
Thanks for the tips, bebsy. I will give it one more go.
Post by: Raist on February 01, 2023, 03:45:11 AM
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Post by: Kurt Russell on February 01, 2023, 05:58:08 AM
Don't worry about the rain. There's no waiting around gameplay for weather changes. They are positional and cover a certain amount of ground, not time based iirc. If it rains it's just supposed to be an obstacle on your path. Also rain = BTs, so where there are BTs on your path there is rain.
Also worth pointing out that later in the game
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Post by: chronovore on March 10, 2023, 01:34:01 PM