Maybe the real NeoGAF was the friends we made along the way...

[curly]

lel, how is this offensive or inappropriate?

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I think Chet Rippo being the artist is making people wary

[etiolate]

who is chet rippo

[OathToOrder]

A Paper Mario character. I don't know what curly is trying to say.

[etiolate]

Was it really that exciting just because the pitching was bad?

The game 7 the Cavs won was pretty top notch.

[Nola]

Some people just sat for 5 hours watching baseball... 

It was a fucking great game. Absolutely crushing as a Dodgers fan, but objectively one of the most exciting postseason games any sport has had in the last few years.

Really, what happened? Did they start playing Basketball or Football instead?

[benjipwns]

Looking at the Wolfenstein thread, I'd prob get a ban or warning at RE for this: I'm shocked and grossed out over the blatant consumerism and hijacking of anger to sell you a video game and people are lapping it up like the marketing team are fighting with them in the streets. True RESISTers would be disgusted instead of happy to have their anger and fears used for the marketing of a kideo game.

You realize they didn't hammer this game out in the last 7 months, right?

Yes. I'm talking specifically about their online marketing campaign for the game, not that it's a game with Nazis in 2017 or that it's a 30 year old franchise with Nazis. Specifically the marketing for this specific game directly bottling and selling anger and fears over white nationalism and neo-nazism in America for social media buzz.

Looking at the Wolfenstein thread, I'd prob get a ban or warning at RE for this: I'm shocked and grossed out over the blatant consumerism and hijacking of anger to sell you a video game and people are lapping it up like the marketing team are fighting with them in the streets. True RESISTers would be disgusted instead of happy to have their anger and fears used for the marketing of a kideo game.

Which thread?  Just glanced at the last 200 posts of the official thread and no one is even mentioning the marketing.  It's a popular game series whose last iteration was heavily praised.

I can't imagine being someone who gets upset that a company that sells a game abou killing nazis referenced a "punch a nazi" meme in their marketing.  LOL, what's that like?

I'm not upset about, I just find it curious that a company tapping into the zeitgiest where people have actually died in the streets of America for meme credit to sell their product isn't upsetting or tasteless to the same type of people who tried to boycott Pepsi over the Jenner ad.

Instead, people are literally YEAH I CAN'T WAIT TO GIVE YOU MY MONEY FOR THIS.

Idk, capitalism 

http://twitter.com/wolfenstein/status/923946140474728449

[Novid]

Now Kevin Spacey huh? i love him as an actor, this is too bad. Apparently this is something else hollywood knew about. He's always had a thing for the young boys. All that fucking moral superiority smugness from hollywood and they're full of crazies. Reminds you of GAF doesn't it?

Hollywood about to implode.

thank the fuck god it is

[etiolate]

nerds like being exploited if it validates them

[Novid]

nerds like being exploited if it validates them

see what i mean when i said "GG" didnt exist? Its a god dang PsyOp

[warcock]

needs to end with a Gurriel walk off HR

then you'd get a resetera thread on the game

The reset thread is on fire right now.  So many familiar faces. It's nice.  Thread is moving faster than I can keep up with.

World series thread comparison
Resetera: 2830+ posts
GAF: 46
 

So neogaf is at least winning in that department. 

[H.I.V.E.]

Is Novid a bot?

He is an unemployed theater college graduate doing street art on this forum.

[etiolate]

All I know is that I'm such a big nerd that when Novid said PsyOp, I thought of Psi-Ops, the PS2 generation action game.

[VomKriege]

We have a thread on it. Basically the idea is that artistic achievements of a certain caliber offset moral failings. Like Michael Jackson made Thriller, Polanski made Chinatown, etc.

Ho like Stalin and Mao then.

For artists I don't think there's need for offsets, they can be talented, have done great work and yet be horrible human beings. It's up to anyone to decide if they can stomach it and boycott one artist over it.
The tricky part that is less often brought up in those discussions is how the dark thoughts of an artist can be considered an integral part of their work. Polanski may be a good example, I mean obviously you don't do some of the films he did by being single minded happy. Likewise some of the greatest films were created through pain and back breaking shootings (possibly featuring emotional abuse, not respecting laws to the letter, extreme fatigue, etc... With lasting effects on participants) and unreasonable demands by assholish directors like Apocalypse Now, Fitzcarraldo, Last Tango in Paris etc... It's flagrant in film because making a picture is a high pressure environment with severe constraints and it's hardly ever smooth sailing especially if you're pushing the envelope somehow. That's not to say the quality of the work negates the suffering, but we have to acknowledge both exists at the same time and may be interlinked. In a number of cases it's likely the artistic legacy will outlive the memory of artists as persons.

[etiolate]

See now this is a GAF quality post:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/our-favourite-nintendo-first-lady.2367/page-2#post-224974

[Nabbis]

Oh man, got banned on Gaf. There goes the rest of the traffic.

[Bore Expert]

Oh man, got banned on Gaf. There goes the rest of the traffic.

The joke is on you kiddo. Less traffic means I get quicker access to the hottest gaming news and insider musings.

 

[Para-Medic]

Resetti is getting a dark theme in it's next update. Thank the heavens tbh.

[Optimus]

lol just read that Morrigan thread, the bitchiness was palpable in that thread, jesus christ. Hey, where's Himu to tell us how resetera is not neogaf?

Btw remember these usernames Audioboxer and BossAttack. Let's see how long they'll last.

[Raist]

You guys think a 5h long baseball game is bad? Try cricket.

 

[warcock]

We have a thread on it. Basically the idea is that artistic achievements of a certain caliber offset moral failings. Like Michael Jackson made Thriller, Polanski made Chinatown, etc.

Ho like Stalin and Mao then.

For artists I don't think there's need for offsets, they can be talented, have done great work and yet be horrible human beings. It's up to anyone to decide if they can stomach it and boycott one artist over it.
The tricky part that is less often brought up in those discussions is how the dark thoughts of an artist can be considered an integral part of their work. Polanski may be a good example, I mean obviously you don't do some of the films he did by being single minded happy. Likewise some of the greatest films were created through pain and back breaking shootings (possibly featuring emotional abuse, not respecting laws to the letter, extreme fatigue, etc... With lasting effects on participants) and unreasonable demands by assholish directors like Apocalypse Now, Fitzcarraldo, Last Tango in Paris etc... It's flagrant in film because making a picture is a high pressure environment with severe constraints and it's hardly ever smooth sailing especially if you're pushing the envelope somehow. That's not to say the quality of the work negates the suffering, but we have to acknowledge both exists at the same time and may be interlinked. In a number of cases it's likely the artistic legacy will outlive the memory of artists as persons.

I think another interesting question to raise is the type of the work done by said miscreants. There seems to be a divide here with regards to the body of work produced and the acceptance of such work. For instance work of technical nature is hardly ever discarded due to the practical benefits of such work. If Fourier was a pedophile, fuck that guy and fuck transistors and etc etc etc etc etc. I mean there are actual modern cases of this in practice, see alot of nazi scientific output and braindrain. Now are we indirectly making a value judgement here? Because art has intangible benefits it seems easier to discard out of outrage , but if we do so we are essentially saying one person's body of work is much more valuable and important than another's due to the nature of the work. I'm not sure i'm personally comfortable with this, even if we can say a piece of art has a much stronger emotional imprint and somewhat embodies the likeness of the author. To that end i think it may be appropriate to bring up one's personal failures if it is relevant when criticizing a certain aspect of a work of art, but outright refusing to consider it? eh.  Practically speaking I guess it's much easier to not watch the pianist than willful ignorance of Dr.Mengele's work in human physiology, so i can see how this pattern manifests, but I don't like it.

I mean hypothetically speaking I could honestly do without the solution to Fermat's Last theorem but don't you fucking dare take away Beethoven's symphonies away from me you hillcucks.

[Para-Medic]

lol just read that Morrigan thread, the bitchiness was palpable in that thread, jesus christ. Hey, where's Himu to tell us how resetera is not neogaf?

Btw remember these usernames Audioboxer and BossAttack. Let's see how long they'll last.

Morrigan kept falling back to the same lines as well.

"this is a X at best, X at worst"

Easily flustered when called out, I think.

[Raist]

I think the cards were on the table when one of the early bulletpoints was one of the announced admins going "I'm a female trans bisexual. See? we take diversity seriously here".

Like, who gives a fuck.

[H.I.V.E.]

lol just read that Morrigan thread, the bitchiness was palpable in that thread, jesus christ. Hey, where's Himu to tell us how resetera is not neogaf?

Btw remember these usernames Audioboxer and BossAttack. Let's see how long they'll last.

Morrigan kept falling back to the same lines as well.

"this is a X at best, X at worst"

Easily flustered when called out, I think.

Well all the warnings came from her so obviously she was losing it a bit.

[warcock]

lol just read that Morrigan thread, the bitchiness was palpable in that thread, jesus christ. Hey, where's Himu to tell us how resetera is not neogaf?

Btw remember these usernames Audioboxer and BossAttack. Let's see how long they'll last.

Is there a date set for the trial yet?

[H.I.V.E.]

Just realised Lime shitposting me. Now I am truly one of you?

Bish also losing it calling others sly. They read bad news get angry and take it out on the cat in this case the closest person being other forum posters. Bet he is really annoyed now as it hits him that he can't just perma ban everyone and then move on to read the next piece of news that angers him.

Not only isn't it productive they will end up hurting themselves more than any goobergate or alt right.

[Bore Expert]

Just realised Lime shitposting me. Now I am truly one of you?

Bish also losing it calling others sly. They read bad news get angry and take it out on the cat in this case the closest person being other forum posters. Bet he is really annoyed now as it hits him that he can't just perma ban everyone and then move on to read the next piece of news that angers him.

Not only isn't it productive they will end up hurting themselves more than any goobergate or alt right.

Link or anything? What are you talking about?

[Optimus]

lol just read that Morrigan thread, the bitchiness was palpable in that thread, jesus christ. Hey, where's Himu to tell us how resetera is not neogaf?

Btw remember these usernames Audioboxer and BossAttack. Let's see how long they'll last.

Is there a date set for the trial yet?

There will be no trial, justice will be swift and relentless.

[H.I.V.E.]

Just realised Lime shitposting me. Now I am truly one of you?

Bish also losing it calling others sly. They read bad news get angry and take it out on the cat in this case the closest person being other forum posters. Bet he is really annoyed now as it hits him that he can't just perma ban everyone and then move on to read the next piece of news that angers him.

Not only isn't it productive they will end up hurting themselves more than any goobergate or alt right.

Link or anything? What are you talking about?

On resetera. Have account there. Lime is apparently a member as well now.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/frontpage-of-msnbc-how-gamers-are-facilitating-the-rise-of-the-alt-right.2422/

[Raist]

Not even been a week. Thought it would take a bit longer than this. I'm impressed.

edit: they removed bish's tag?

[Novid]

Just realised Lime shitposting me. Now I am truly one of you?

Bish also losing it calling others sly. They read bad news get angry and take it out on the cat in this case the closest person being other forum posters. Bet he is really annoyed now as it hits him that he can't just perma ban everyone and then move on to read the next piece of news that angers him.

Not only isn't it productive they will end up hurting themselves more than any goobergate or alt right.

and thats why the boogiemen win. The SSW have no discipline, cant meme for shit, use minorities as social science experiments (that sadly they go along with because their parents went along with it mostly and thats a story in and of itself) and when they keep removing the actual liberals that never truly anything wrong for wrong think, then they wonder why Trump wins, 36 governorships are GOP (and will soon be more towards Bannons side of populism) Flake and others who leaving now will be replaced by Populists.

They are at the very point they could lose Hollywood forever, Amazon and Netflix's margins or so tight and the former should be shuttered because they are committing tax evasion and fraud. They dont understand the danger they put themselves in but for me, if it means there is even a smidgin of conservative thought or honest virtue coming back to these places im all for them wrecking the shit of these business structures and Hollywood for as soon as they start complaining that conservative thought is too strict even though they wanted these places to be cleaned up we will remind them of the SHIT they went through and why their complaints now about the world they ask for falls on deaf and uncaring ears.

[Momo]

On resetera. Have account there. Lime is apparently a member as well now.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/frontpage-of-msnbc-how-gamers-are-facilitating-the-rise-of-the-alt-right.2422/

Wasnt long till they started gaffing again I guess.

[VomKriege]

Thread doesn't really anything worthy of outright derision yet

[Novid]

On resetera. Have account there. Lime is apparently a member as well now.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/frontpage-of-msnbc-how-gamers-are-facilitating-the-rise-of-the-alt-right.2422/

Wasnt long till they started gaffing again I guess.

Konradlaw got it right here. This is why i kept saying its a PsyOp.

[Nabbis]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/frontpage-of-msnbc-how-gamers-are-facilitating-the-rise-of-the-alt-right.2422/#post-240695

Call me insensitive but im pretty sure im more concerned with the resent trend of terror attacks in Europe(including the town where i live) from a certain ideology than some Goobergate losers that are mean on the internet.

[Raist]

Maximum whining

[benjipwns]

I feel like GG was at the very least a proof of concept.

[benjipwns]

"His mother filed a complaint because he strucked her in the head and locked her in the bathroom because she told him to stop playing videogames"

25 years ago people like him wouldnt have the tools to connect with other like minded individuals, techonology has changed the equation.

ha! I've read The Sandman there's serial killer conventions.

[Raist]

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

You live and die only by your words, so use them wisely.

[Novid]

I feel like GG was at the very least a proof of concept.

They cant outright say it can they?
Ill spell it out for them
"GG" was a Psychological Operation facilitated by the big three third party developers to protect their profits.
There, wasnt that hard was it?

[benjipwns]

from Lime:

if only you swore, i'd give this paper an F, as is a D- for getting two out of three historically very wrong

[H.I.V.E.]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/frontpage-of-msnbc-how-gamers-are-facilitating-the-rise-of-the-alt-right.2422/#post-240695

Call me insensitive but im pretty sure im more concerned with the resent trend of terror attacks in Europe(including the town where i live) from a certain ideology than some Goobergate losers that are mean on the internet.

I think honestly goobergate has no power. Yeah terrorism, economy, income inequality and police violence and crime organized and petty are all more important than mean tweets. Didn't even mention saving the planet.

[dridru]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/frontpage-of-msnbc-how-gamers-are-facilitating-the-rise-of-the-alt-right.2422/#post-240695

Call me insensitive but im pretty sure im more concerned with the resent trend of terror attacks in Europe(including the town where i live) from a certain ideology than some Goobergate losers that are mean on the internet.

It's not a competition. But I always find it interesting that with Muslim extremists people point to things like social and economic status and how they radicalize because they don't get opportunities in live. And with right wing extremists apparently it is all personal responsibility instead of seeing that people radicalize because of a changing world. Both are not excuses in my mind though.

[benjipwns]

I think the Gaming Community is a reflection on the games they play. I think the vast amount of people aren't toxic. However the 10% that are are incredibly vocal about it. Given the platform though, you can see how easy it is to be that vocal and toxic. No other industry really competes in how easy it is to be toxic. All you need is a mic and an internet connection, then depending on the game, you can reach 100+ people. When it's so easy and gaming is so inherently competitive, it's no surprise that the most normal people, could be the biggest flamers ever in this environment.

That said not one person is entirely innocent. If you've ever watched a troll trick people or bait people for a reaction, ever used a cheese tactic or done something for the Lulz that screws over the rest of the team, you are part of the problem. We all contribute in some way. However this isn't a problem unique to gaming. Every sport deals with this, but for some reason gaming is more toxic. The answer to why is what I've explained above. Before the internet is was Football violence. Now it's trolling and flame wars. In some ways this might be an improvement.

[benjipwns]

Of those, there have always been Nazis/fascists existing. Those are the people modding Doom in the early days to be genocide simulators, etc.

[OathToOrder]

Not even been a week. Thought it would take a bit longer than this. I'm impressed.

edit: they removed bish's tag?

They probably saw us making fun of them for bag-licking him over there.

[benjipwns]

Alt-right is a term created by fascists so they could turn impressionable minds into Nazis without them realizing they are Nazis.

It's the exact same way the KKK convinced poor whites to work against their own interests.

i guess we just make up whatever history we want at this point

[Novid]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/frontpage-of-msnbc-how-gamers-are-facilitating-the-rise-of-the-alt-right.2422/#post-240695

Call me insensitive but im pretty sure im more concerned with the resent trend of terror attacks in Europe(including the town where i live) from a certain ideology than some Goobergate losers that are mean on the internet.

I think honestly goobergate has no power. Yeah terrorism, economy, income inequality and police violence and crime organized and petty are all more important than mean tweets. Didn't even mention saving the planet.

Of course "GG" had no power. Helldump and the Dirtbag left USED it a catchall phrase of fear to continue a corrupt gravy train from Tor's bullshit to How Paetron was made and used bullshit, and putting all of those in those two sub-groups of progressives in the catbird seat of Hollywood and beltway journalism and its promotion and praise, thinking they were going to be how millenial sub culture was going to be seen the next 15 years.

The mainstream liberal old guard got it so wrong that those working with Helldump/DBL are about to split the nation apart at the seems, rather than to admit that helldump/DBL are just 3 words removed from being called the racists they claim to hate and the Nazi's they wish to punch.

[Nabbis]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/frontpage-of-msnbc-how-gamers-are-facilitating-the-rise-of-the-alt-right.2422/#post-240695

Call me insensitive but im pretty sure im more concerned with the resent trend of terror attacks in Europe(including the town where i live) from a certain ideology than some Goobergate losers that are mean on the internet.

It's not a competition. But I always find it interesting that with Muslim extremists people point to things like social and economic status and how they radicalize because they don't get opportunities in live. And with right wing extremists apparently it is all personal responsibility instead of seeing that people radicalize because of a changing world. Both are not excuses in my mind though.

Yeah, it's not. But if your existential threat are indeed a bunch of internet losers, im not going to take you very seriously.

[OathToOrder]

Novid, what are your thoughts on the recently released JFK papers? I assume you've went through them with a fine-tooth comb.

[Novid]

You HAVE to be a fucking bot, I refuse to believe otherwise.

Nope, I just believe that the left continues to eats itself for no other reason than it doesnt have any sort of spiritual basis to keep its destructive natures in check like they did when the Unions were running the game.

[benjipwns]

I'd say more the rise of Gamergate was very similar to the circumstances that led to the rise of the alt-right, and it provided a blueprint for the latter.

I have seen Gamergate led some folks astray down the rabbithole- lost some friends due to it.

BTW gaming culture wasn't always racist/sexist. That started with some of the post-crash marketing.

[daemon]

Alt-right is a term created by fascists so they could turn impressionable minds into Nazis without them realizing they are Nazis.

It's the exact same way the KKK convinced poor whites to work against their own interests.

i guess we just make up whatever history we want at this point

[Novid]

Now Kevin Spacey huh? i love him as an actor, this is too bad. Apparently this is something else hollywood knew about. He's always had a thing for the young boys. All that fucking moral superiority smugness from hollywood and they're full of crazies. Reminds you of GAF doesn't it?

Hollywood about to implode.

  There have been countless sex scandals in Hollywood since at least the 1930s. Countless murders, assaulters, criminals unrelated to sexual assault or harassment. It's not going anywhere. People aren't going to stop going to movies, or stop watching movies, or stop wanting movies to be made. If Hollywood goes down, so does television, and streaming services that hundreds of millions of people use.

At most, some people will be sued and go off to hide for a while, maybe someone will get arrested if the accusations are recent enough. "Hollywood" will not be impacted by this. Individuals in Hollywood, yes.

If it was 2010, i would agree with you.
This time around, its structural.  The gig is up and the game is over unless the conservatives come back.

[benjipwns]

And ResetERA will be an oasis from that garbage.
Their hashtag campaign with old 1950s pictures as some kind of retaliation is hilarious

way to miss the joke

[Novid]

Novid, what are your thoughts on the recently released JFK papers? I assume you've went through them with a fine-tooth comb.

You really dont want to know. I am not saying one thing about it.

[OathToOrder]

Novid, what are your thoughts on the recently released JFK papers? I assume you've went through them with a fine-tooth comb.

You really dont want to know. I am no saying one thing about it.

Why? Fear of getting OPPO DROPPO'd by PsyOps MiB?

[Optimus]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/frontpage-of-msnbc-how-gamers-are-facilitating-the-rise-of-the-alt-right.2422/#post-240695

Call me insensitive but im pretty sure im more concerned with the resent trend of terror attacks in Europe(including the town where i live) from a certain ideology than some Goobergate losers that are mean on the internet.

I think honestly goobergate has no power. Yeah terrorism, economy, income inequality and police violence and crime organized and petty are all more important than mean tweets. Didn't even mention saving the planet.

Of course "GG" had no power. Helldump and the Dirtbag left USED it a catchall phrase of fear to continue a corrupt gravy train from Tor's bullshit to How Paetron was made and used bullshit, and putting all of those in those two sub-groups of progressives in the catbird seat of Hollywood and beltway journalism and its promotion and praise, thinking they were going to be how millenial sub culture was going to be seen the next 15 years.

The mainstream liberal old guard got it so wrong that those working with Helldump/DBL are about to split the nation apart at the seems, rather than to admit that helldump/DBL are just 3 words removed from being called the racists they claim to hate and the Nazi's they wish to punch.

I don't think Gamergate being to the left of the possible system then change in the direction of gamers that didn't more than attack the political status quo with the EA conspiracy that that enveloped the whole gaming world. Then Ubisolt joined that secret that didn't allow the difference of anything possible there. Of course it wasn't.

[benjipwns]

the EA conspiracy that that enveloped the whole gaming world. Then Ubisolt joined that secret that didn't allow the difference of anything possible there. Of course it wasn't.

These are words, yep.

[Novid]

All anybody has to do to prove that the left is going to lose again, like they are doing now - has to watch the Vietnam War (The Kent State episode), read the book about Kent State, watch Hypernormalization (the first 30 mins) and then read up about what Julian Bond did to the Civil Rights movement in the 70's.

Its happening again and Regan got elected on the same "Populist" (Evangelical) wave. History is rhyming again with Trump.

[Optimus]

the EA conspiracy that that enveloped the whole gaming world. Then Ubisolt joined that secret that didn't allow the difference of anything possible there. Of course it wasn't.

These are words, yep.

I'm trying to communicate with him.