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[Nintex]

Just picked up a 3 day ban.

I would've been annoyed with myself if I lost my cool and said something dumb to get banned.

I didn't, though, and I think I got banned for stating the morally correct position. Defense, as a general principle, is not an obstruction to justice, but rather, a facilitator of it. Every criminal we've put in prison has had a defense, and still they were convicted. Defense just makes sure that justice must be rigorously tested before it's executed, so unjust punishments are minimized.

So I'm a little annoyed because some of the staff is actively working against a discussion board having good discussion, but I'm not annoyed because I still feel good about my post.

Welcome to the Free Republic of Bore friend, glad to see you've escaped the gulag.
The memes are here and in the outside link thread, there's some uncensored pornography is that floats your boat in the NSFW thread.

There's a pretty cool gaming place next door as well.

[thisismyusername]

I watched a video of that Kingdom Come game and it looks horrible. Not sure why everyone is paying it so much attention.

Because edgelord game designer and 4chan (read: /pol/) interest. That's it.

[Raist]

A quote from the Waypoint podcast:

"There are people who come to us, maybe not for purchasing decision, but for insight, for understanding what games are out there-"

"How should I feel about this thing"

All you need to know about Walker and Klepek

[Optimus]

I watched a video of that Kingdom Come game and it looks horrible. Not sure why everyone is paying it so much attention.

Because edgelord game designer and 4chan (read: /pol/) interest. That's it.

Your (and resetera's) narrative sure makes it look like gamergate is extremely popular amongst gamers given the game's rather impressive success.

Btw I don't know wtf you people are talking about, the game's combat looks very interesting. Everything else not so much but the combat looks deep and satisfying.
 

[HaughtyFrank]

Game looks like a hardcore version of Gothic.
You guys just don't know how to appreciate eurojank. 

A quote from the Waypoint podcast:

"There are people who come to us, maybe not for purchasing decision, but for insight, for understanding what games are out there-"

"How should I feel about this thing"

All you need to know about Walker and Klepek

It's amazing how quickly they're outdoing polygon

[Uncle]

I liked what I saw of crime.  Picking pockets isn't just "43% chance to steal," instead you have a time limit to check each individual pocket and decide if you found something worth it or not.  Dogs as the medieval alarm system, silencing them with a hunk of meat.

[who is ted danson?]

RE is such a depressing place to browse. Fun is strictly prohibited. The aim of pretty much every thread seems to be trying to out people as racist/sexist/transphobic. The staff are delusional - some willingly feed into the chaos, others seems terrified the mob might chew them up so just warn people with whatever the report message said. The place is so much worse than GAF its unbelievable.

[REDPILLALPH ABIGCOCK]

"Why would anyone play a game that's buggy, has shitty combat and a tons of "deep" systems that are tedious and you never want to use?"

- some dipshit that probably spent 8000 hours in bethesda games

[thisismyusername]

I watched a video of that Kingdom Come game and it looks horrible. Not sure why everyone is paying it so much attention.

Because edgelord game designer and 4chan (read: /pol/) interest. That's it.

Your (and resetera's) narrative sure makes it look like gamergate is extremely popular amongst gamers given the game's rather impressive success.

It's not Gamergate. It's 4chan spamming the hell out of it. I can't go to /v/ without like 2-4 threads and /pol/lacks shit posting about it.

But do go on thinking I "hate" the game or anything, flOptimus. I outright ignore the game and it's "success." I found the Designer's shirt and shit cringe-y but nothing out of the norm for edgelords.

"Why would anyone play a game that's buggy, has shitty combat and a tons of "deep" systems that are tedious and you never want to use?"

- some dipshit that probably spent 8000 hours in bethesda games

This is true. People want to hate on it's "Eurojank" but the "SJW" (to use flOptimus' term) play BethJank shit. Both suck.

[HardcoreRetro]

Since Todd Howard lied about Fallout 4, he probably lies about rape as well.



(Don't shame me for doing digital blackface wrong. These smileys all look the same.)

[Assimilate]

If you go by the mod warnings on REE you'd assume that place was filled to the brim with racists. 

[jorma]

I watched a video of that Kingdom Come game and it looks horrible. Not sure why everyone is paying it so much attention.

It might be because despite all the obvious flaws, it's actually a well written RPG.
Also, I think it's the first game of the kind that i don't ruin for myself because i become obsessed with min maxing the shit out of my character until i grow bored because i'm so OP.

But i suppose it's more fun to blame it on fringe groupings on 4chan and REEE even though they likely have minimal effect on how the game is doing.

[Raist]

Waypoint are a pathetic bunch of spineless hypocrites. They are not "allies." They are not fighting the good fight. They are cowardly, miserable hypocrites who stayed silent during the sexual assault allegations at Vice then tried to weasel their way out by blaming the lawyers. I.E - We were too scared to say anything cos we didn't want to lose our jobs. Their cowardice is far, far worse than anything this developer has done.

It’s not like they confirmed within the podcast that things they’d pushed for within Vice actually got acted on or anything.

(except they totally did confirm that)

Yes, I'm sure the 3 days LTTP open letter with "demands" from the Waypoint staff totally made Vice act, not the enormous news and social media shitstorm

[HaughtyFrank]

If you go by the mod warnings on REE you'd assume that place was filled to the brim with racists. 

You'll find many on RE  who actually believe that. These people think gaf was a gamergate hive

[Optimus]

It's not Gamergate. It's 4chan spamming the hell out of it. I can't go to /v/ without like 2-4 threads and /pol/lacks shit posting about it.

But do go on thinking I "hate" the game or anything, flOptimus. I outright ignore the game and it's "success." I found the Designer's shirt and shit cringe-y but nothing out of the norm for edgelords.

The shirt is a reaction to the identity politics loons you constantly defend and then pretend you don't like, the same loons that tried to shame the developer into changing his game according to their absolutely distinguished mentally-challenged standards. Not a very mature reaction I might add but who the fuck cares, except you apparently.

And lol at your complete denial about the game's success: https://www.vg247.com/2018/02/15/kingdom-come-deliverance-already-sold-500000-copies/

Full price kickstarter game sells half a million in 2 days, you put success in quotes but sure, you don't dislike the game. You're the most repressed poster on this board.

[Boredfrom]

A whole team of people who are fine working for a white supremacist

https://www.resetera.com/posts/4679748/

Maybe Era should never have threads complaining about how racist and shitty their bosses are, given that they held people to that standards.

Not that I disagree with you, but the team at Waypoint has been pretty vocal about their stance on the issues happening within their own workspace.

After getting the approval from their union, days after the fact.

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The shirt is a reaction to the identity politics loons you constantly defend and then pretend you don't like, the same loons that tried to shame the developer into changing his game according to their absolutely distinguished mentally-challenged standards. Not a very mature reaction I might add but who the fuck cares, except you apparently.

And lol at your complete denial about the game's success: https://www.vg247.com/2018/02/15/kingdom-come-deliverance-already-sold-500000-copies/

Full price kickstarter game sells half a million in 2 days, you put success in quotes but sure, you don't dislike the game. You're the most repressed poster on this board.

lol dont go there

[Nabbis]

If i had some lulz money, i would buy 100 copies and make a thread for free distribution of the game on Reset. Even those shitty anime pedo games don't get the resistance as riled up as this game does.

[Boredfrom]

Whats the story behind the game anyways?  Know nothing about this Kingdom developer.

The game is a medieval RPG based in a realistic setting of Bohemia during the XV. When it was announced, people started to complain about the lack of "diversity" in the game. One of the main producers is kind of a outspoken dick with some GG esque opinions (to Resetera standards). The game is selling well regardless.

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Listen, even if I don’t think I need to consider them when deciding not to give Vavra money, I also don’t agree (at least not without context) that we should blame people for continuing to work at the studio. Getting food on the table, paying rent, supporting your family, etc. is obviously not something I can expect someone to give up. And trying to make internal progress is a thing worth doing if you feel you can actually accomplish it, yes.

But unless the people at Vice you’re discussing have direct control of every little thing Waypoint publishes and can edit without restraint, the situations are not really comparable in the way you’re going for here. It’s not like Vavra is a distant executive who only cares about whether the game is bringing in money or something; he’s literally the creative director of the game. He has free reign to do anything he wants to it.

Waypoint is (as far as I can understand) less directly affected by Vice’s issues than the people working at Warhorse are by Vavra, and also have more control of what they’re working on than those people at Warhorse do. They also likely have a greater ability to affect the company internally when it comes to policies and rules, as at the end of the day nothing anybody at Warhorse does is going to limit Vavra’s influence unless he is not directly working on the game.

It is also worth noting that the podcast we’re discussing mentions that all these things they’ve pushed for have been/are being acted on.

They have been held back from responding to some things immediately/in full by lawyers or otherwise their union (which was making its own statement first in that case, I believe?) in the past, that much is true. But that does not mean they don’t want to discuss something whenever that happens.

Waypoint can do anything (as long is approved by the Union).

Great insight.

[Raist]

Also, the game has cumans who basically look ethnically white from the media I've seen. Again, whitewashing.

 

[nudemacusers]

cuman is one of my favorite spices

[Clockwork5]

If i had some lulz money, i would buy 100 copies and make a thread for free distribution of the game on Reset. Even those shitty anime pedo games don't get the resistance as riled up as this game does.

If I had some lulz money I would buy a big banner ad for thebore.com on RE.

[etiolate]

Cumans always trying to go around and curry up some favors from ppls. Despiceable!

[Averon]

That WayPoint thread is becoming a graveyard.

SweetNicole has proven to be every bit as bad as Besada. You gotta wonder if she's letting Besada share her account. Would not be the first time something like that has happened.

In any case, Cerium or Zhuge needs to reign in SweetNicole if they don't want RestERA falling into the same trap and reputation GAF developed. Can't sell a lot of $40 subscriptions when your place is known of being ban happy for 'wrong-think' that's not even clear half the time.

Or maybe they see what SweetNicole doing as perfectly fine, in which case RestERA is screwed and will collapse under its own BS just like GAF eventually did.

[Eila]

Less than 6 months in and REEE is pretty much neoGAF now. It's even sillier because they have to reach out some bullshit to put as the ban message, which is displayed to everyone. At a least before it was "If you have a problem, PM a mod".
Third impact when?

[Phoenix Dark]

So the game has a historical setting that ensures a lack of diversity. Who gives a shit. Diversity doesn't mean every story has to be diverse. I'm glad many games/films/etc are, but, like...you can still tell a story about white people in an entertainment medium. Who gives a fuck. Go play Skyrim.

His GG ties...eh, I don't know anything about that so I can't comment.

[Nabbis]

It's a high profile game made by Europoors instead of Murica for once. There's your fucking diversity. Unless diversity means just black or brown people. 

[Averon]

I would not be surprised if the red ban messages eventually disappear. The ban reasons are becoming more and more specious and absurd and more people are noticing it. Better to just drop the ban hammer and not have to give any reason for it, like classic GAF. Much easier for the staff.

[Boredfrom]

That WayPoint thread is becoming a graveyard.

SweetNicole has proven to be every bit as bad as Besada. You gotta wonder if she's letting Besada share her account. Would not be the first time something like that has happened.

In any case, Cerium or Zhuge needs to reign in SweetNicole if they don't want RestERA falling into the same trap and reputation GAF developed. Can't sell a lot of $40 subscriptions when your place is known of being ban happy for 'wrong-think' that's not even clear half the time.

Or maybe they see what SweetNicole doing as perfectly fine, in which case RestERA is screwed and will collapse under its own BS just like GAF eventually did.

I doubt they could do something about sweet nicole without getting a shitstorm, feels like the bans of that thread is a direct response of people complaining that the Gaming section be more letient.

[paprikastaude]

It's a high profile game made by Europoors instead of Murica for once. There's your fucking diversity. Unless diversity means just black or brown people. 

It means that the ethnic diversity of a modern day US city is a thing that was the status quo throughout history in every imaginable location. Claiming/portraying anything else is whitewashing, based on lying historiography for racists.

[clothedmacuser]

 Spring-Loaded is especially dumb in that waypoint thread.  And when people call him out he just says "lol I'm mostly joking. "
O

[Assimilate]

Less than 6 months in and REEE is pretty much neoGAF now

it's a lot worse. it is basically controlled by a few lunatic transsexuals.

[Transhuman]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/4672848/

But that’s not the context, is it? It says homicide cases. And if the graph is factual (we don’t have a source), then it’s stating a truth. How is that then racist?

This is of course assuming the graph is fact.

#435
User Banned (Duration Pending): Ignoring administrator instructions and defending Vavra's views. Pushing and defending bigoted remarks.

Might as well be User Banned: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

I'm getting serious deja vu. Didn't someone on gaf get banned for pretty much confirming a fact about 2 years ago, which was perceived to be racist?

Swear I remember a ban exactly like this happening but I forget the poster. I remember it being discussed on thebore though.

[paprikastaude]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/4676288/

Why is an issue the lack of black people in the game? Even if the game is not 100% historical accurate (which is nearly impossible and of course would be boring for a game), a black person would stick out in the medieval context. How putting some black dude just to please American would be any better?

Not every game has to be racial diverse. We could have this same discussion with thousands of them.

User Warned: Downplaying diversity as exclusively an American concern.

[Transhuman]

That WayPoint thread is becoming a graveyard.

SweetNicole has proven to be every bit as bad as Besada. You gotta wonder if she's letting Besada share her account. Would not be the first time something like that has happened.

In any case, Cerium or Zhuge needs to reign in SweetNicole if they don't want RestERA falling into the same trap and reputation GAF developed. Can't sell a lot of $40 subscriptions when your place is known of being ban happy for 'wrong-think' that's not even clear half the time.

Or maybe they see what SweetNicole doing as perfectly fine, in which case RestERA is screwed and will collapse under its own BS just like GAF eventually did.

They said they'd give a refund if you get banned mid-month and are paying for the subscription.

As for SweetNicole, I assume that the other mods see members getting banned as a way of 'pruning' the member list of anyone who has slipped in that wasn't supposed to. I imagine they think it's going to slowly die down once all the 'subversives' are taken care of. Good luck with that.

[samir]

Yeah reset is 10x worse than gaf ever was. People are getting banned in droves for bullshit reasons. That's what you get when you let the inmates run the asylum.

And what's the deal with this Kingdom game anyway? Are people seriously freaking out because they didn't put black dudes in a game taking place in medieval Europe? Who the fuck cares??

[zepblackstar]

I would not be surprised if the red ban messages eventually disappear. The ban reasons are becoming more and more specious and absurd and more people are noticing it. Better to just drop the ban hammer and not have to give any reason for it, like classic GAF. Much easier for the staff.

resetera ban messages are a thing on gaming twitter for laughs

[Nabbis]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/4676288/

Why is an issue the lack of black people in the game? Even if the game is not 100% historical accurate (which is nearly impossible and of course would be boring for a game), a black person would stick out in the medieval context. How putting some black dude just to please American would be any better?

Not every game has to be racial diverse. We could have this same discussion with thousands of them.

User Warned: Downplaying diversity as exclusively an American concern.

That's not even funny anymore. This is morphing into some flat earth type of shit where people will just double down on some inane belief.

[HaughtyFrank]

You can't move on from sexism. Can't from misogyny/the patriarch/gamer-gate/the "alt-right". You can't move on if you were a victim to any of the mentioned ideologies.

And you can never really escape from it if you are the primary target.

The best a target can do is literally hide their existence but most don't have that luxury.

And thus, it has to be fought where ever it's at.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/4684239/

Could someone please report this man for using red text?

[samfish]

If i had some lulz money, i would buy 100 copies and make a thread for free distribution of the game on Reset. Even those shitty anime pedo games don't get the resistance as riled up as this game does.

If I had some lulz money I would buy a big banner ad for thebore.com on RE.

I did this on GAF once. If you do the ad right, you won't even need to spend a lot of money. $10 bucks a day tops. All you need is some sap to notice it and make a thread about it, which they will if it inspires drama.

Demi, can I make an ad and run it on ERA, and if so, what are the rules regarding your strict branding guidelines?

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/4676288/

Why is an issue the lack of black people in the game? Even if the game is not 100% historical accurate (which is nearly impossible and of course would be boring for a game), a black person would stick out in the medieval context. How putting some black dude just to please American would be any better?

Not every game has to be racial diverse. We could have this same discussion with thousands of them.

User Warned: Downplaying diversity as exclusively an American concern.

(Image removed from quote.)

I mean, is not an US concern only, but the way is discussed and treated  is pretty American centric.

[Transhuman]

Yeah reset is 10x worse than gaf ever was. People are getting banned in droves for bullshit reasons. That's what you get when you let the inmates run the asylum.

And what's the deal with this Kingdom game anyway? Are people seriously freaking out because they didn't put black dudes in a game taking place in medieval Europe? Who the fuck cares??

It is part that, and partly because as a European, on Twitter Vávra doesn't filter himself the way an American would when speaking about race. He also considers Gamergate salvageable as a movement to improve gaming journalism.

And yes, people are claiming that the lack of black people in the game is indicative of Vávra's racism, and has nothing to do with the fact they just didn't exist in that region at that time in history. The game also has no tomatoes and no corn for that same reason.

[paprikastaude]

Yeah reset is 10x worse than gaf ever was. People are getting banned in droves for bullshit reasons. That's what you get when you let the inmates run the asylum.

And what's the deal with this Kingdom game anyway? Are people seriously freaking out because they didn't put black dudes in a game taking place in medieval Europe? Who the fuck cares??

It is part that, and partly because as a European, on Twitter Vávra doesn't filter himself the way an American would when speaking about race. He also considers Gamergate salvageable as a movement to improve gaming journalism.

And yes, people are claiming that the lack of black people in the game is indicative of Vávra's racism, and has nothing to do with the fact they just didn't exist in that region at that time in history. The game also has no tomatoes and no corn for that same reason.

User banned (duration pending): Nonsense gamergate dog whistling, equating people of colour with vegetables

[Transhuman]

Goddam this resetera simulation is top-notch

[HaughtyFrank]

I dont try to defend someone here but please consider the difference in cultures.
We europeans can't even imagine how it is so easy for anyone to buy gun in america and how they think that to have guns and use it is their rights. We find it crazy.
For americans it is difficult to imagine that some eastern europe countries see racism not with the same perspective as them and that's it. Vavra is certainly the bad here but please see the situation from the perspective of the other.

And for referrence western europeans, eastern europeans, mediterraneans are not the same.

User Banned (5 Days): Ignoring site policy. We do not permit the defense of racism. Previously warned for inappropriate comments.


Thank god they're cracking down on these vile racists

[ZombieSupaStar]

I have to say, for not spending a dime, RE provides so much entertainment.

[Raist]

So I haven't seen Black Panther. Are there any Native Americans and Asians in Wakanda?

If not, 

[HaughtyFrank]

So I haven't seen Black Panther.

User banned (duration pending): Racist

[Raist]

So the guy who went "And this game depicts cumans as white. WHITEWASHING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" is now doubliing down after being informed that yes, according to multiple accounts, cumans were basically white.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/4682721/

I guess we need a new term then. Caucasowashing.

[etiolate]

I love the argument that Cumans needed more "asianess" in their depiction in a game where facial detail isn't exactly the graphical strong point.

[Raist]

So I haven't seen Black Panther.

User banned (duration pending): Racist

Cinema tickets are like $25 here. Stop poorshaming me you fucking capitalist shitlord.

[Jansen]

So I haven't seen Black Panther.

User banned (duration pending): Racist

Cinema tickets are like $25 here. Stop poorshaming me you fucking capitalist shitlord.

wtf i can go to a 2D matinee showing at Alamo Drafthouse for $7

[zepblackstar]

So I haven't seen Black Panther.

User banned (duration pending): Racist

Cinema tickets are like $25 here. Stop poorshaming me you fucking capitalist shitlord.

you live in Dubai?

[BisMarckie]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/waypoint-we-havent-covered-kingdom-come-deliverance-lets-talk-about-why.24062/page-17#post-4687075

Nevermind historical accuracy, that a game was made about an all white place and time that excuses the presence of any sort of progressive politics and representation is dubious in its own right.
 



From here on now I will campaign for the removal of all video games that don't take place in a 2018 America with Queen Hillary having usurped evil emperor Trump.


Medieval Studies were always suspect to me. They don't talk about progressive values like at all! I wonder if history has been undermined by the alt right...

[Raist]

Nevermind historical accuracy, that a game was made about an all white place and time that excuses the presence of any sort of progressive politics and representation is dubious in its own right.

you live in Dubai?

Nice try with the doxxing 

[Raist]

Ah, at last. I was starting to worry. We're finally entering the next phase of the Nintard cycle "fantasize about top-tier specs that will never happen".

Please don't take the logistics of this too literally. It's just an imaginary scenario. Don't worry about battery life, when it would come out, or console exclusions or exclusivity with current switch and this hypothetical switch pro.

Read the OP. Please don't take it too literally with the logistics. That is the very last thing I wanted this thread to be about and have a discussion on.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lets-say-nintendo-used-the-nvidia-xavier-soc-as-its-switch-pro.24202/

[Assimilate]

Nevermind historical accuracy, that a game was made about an all white place and time that excuses the presence of any sort of progressive politics and representation is dubious in its own right.

nah, one of the replies is even more worthy of that emoji

Now this is just ridiculous. You're seriously suggesting that games should not have settings that aren't diverse and/or don't allow for progressive politics and representation?

 

purposeful baiting or really REE?

[EightBitNate]

Oh shit when did Kirblar get demodded?

[Nintex]

User banned (duration pending): drive-by posting

Are you serious?

User banned (1 month): downplaying racism, dog whistling

Of course yes, how dare they make a game about their own country's history...
Seriously by that logic large parts of the world and human history would be off limits cause some ppl could see them as offensive.

User permabanned: history of racism

Now this is just ridiculous. You're seriously suggesting that games should not have settings that aren't diverse and/or don't allow for progressive politics and representation?

user warned: thread whining

Yes, we should support developers who are making interesting stories with interesting and diverse characters. Not sure why you would bring this complaint in a thread about a game that deals with medieval life near Prague, though...

We are temporarily locking this thread to see if the discussion can be salvaged. Please take note that we do not condone racism in any shape or form. Oppression is a serious issue. We will review our policy towards Vavra and his game, thank you.

[BisMarckie]

What irks me the most by the way is not projecting the American idea of diversity on a Czech game( btw. How many of those have been made? Isn't that diverse enough ?)

It's people thinking that Medieval "states" are in any shape or form comparable to the modern nation state.

[ZombieSupaStar]

edit: misread