The Other Forums Thread for 90's Kids ONLY

[benjipwns]

First Cernovich and now Sommers? I wonder which other GamerGator will pop up next.

I guess part of me appreciates how obvious you people are being.

Why the hell aren't these trolls just banned on the spot? They're obviously not here in good faith.

Sure, but we keep letting the alt-right fucks right back in with these milquetoast temp bans. It's harming Era's discourse to have to continuously debunk their lies and FUD.

[benjipwns]

If he wins, the rest of the PoC from over the world should sue American into bankruptcy.

This is but only a fact.

ResetERA; where talking points the Soviets dropped 50 years ago are today's hot takes

[benjipwns]

god dammit benji you need the pierre mulele treatment so bad

[benjipwns]

Are Simpsons "country episodes" perpetuating stereotypes?

After watching the Simpsons episode about China yesterday (where Selma adopts a Chinese baby), I was wondering about that.

Just my observations about the China episode. I spoiler it:

There was another episode in new simpsons where they go to Ireland. At first they arrive there and everyones stuck up. Homer and Abe open a bar and in the end the Irish people still go there to get blackout drunk and they just "repressed" their drunken behaviour.
The UK episodes usually work similar with using The Queen, Posh and bad teeth as stereotypes.

There are a lot more episodes but most of those episodes feel like they are written by someone who took a look at some pictures from a travel magazine and thats it.

A lot of those episodes dont even challenge those stereotypes. The writers roll with it. It really feels like a lot of episodes are just perpetuating those stereotypes.

thank god he spoiler tagged the 12 year old episode

[benjipwns]

Does anyone else feel too young for ERA ?

This question is aimed towards the Era users who may be in their late teens (so around 14 - 18), though if you are much older I would still appreciate your input.

It feels weird sometimes posting on Era due to the fact that the posters here tend to lean towards the older side. A lot of the user base is in their late twenties to early thirties, some over forty.

The age disparity between me (18) and a lot of users kind of makes it hard for me to relate to a lot of the experiences that they had, in contrast to something like reddit where a lot of the userbase is made up of millenials.

Im not going to stop using Era because of that, since this is still a great place for discussion about 90's games and obscure games in general, but I guess Im just curious if anyone else felt the same way.

[benjipwns]

Remember when black people and Asian people fought for civil rights together, in America of all places?

That was nice

Japanese Americans likely still remember that well.

Imma tell you this from experience...no they do not

isn't he like 19 or something?

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3029072/

I had just turned two when 9/11 happened

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LIONPRIDE STRAIGHT UP DOXXED BY BENJI

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[VomKriege]

Politics is something you really can't truly understand until your mid 20's anyway, unless your education is centered around it.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3025823/

Can't understand it neither after 20

[ToxicAdam]

[Some random dude]The age disparity between me (18) and a lot of users kind of makes it hard for me to relate to a lot of the experiences that they had, in contrast to something like reddit where a lot of the userbase is made up of millenials.

Someone inform that dipshit that millenials are now 30+ years old.

[headwalk]

resetera posters don't have experiences. they vicariously imbibe all human experiences through astral collection to provide a uniform and complete world view which is truly objective.

[thisismyusername]

[Some random dude]The age disparity between me (18) and a lot of users kind of makes it hard for me to relate to a lot of the experiences that they had, in contrast to something like reddit where a lot of the userbase is made up of millenials.

Someone inform that dipshit that millenials are now 30+ years old.

Plus mid-20's or so. He's part of the next generation that I'm forgetting the buzzy title for.

[Kurt Russell]

Plus mid-20's or so. He's part of the next generation that I'm forgetting the buzzy title for.

fucktards

[FStop7]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3033615/

User warned: arguing in bad faith to belittle sexual harassment victims, making unsubstantiated generalizations about "the left"

The poster tried to actually respond based on the content of the articlle vs. posting an idiotic hot take based on having read only the subject line.

[bork]

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/do-we-still-need-rockstar-games.1460478/

Do we still need Rockstar Games?

some people have argued that Rockstar Games are outdated and that we have grown over their games.. does the game industry still need them, do we still need them?

So many quality threads at GAF lately. 

[daemon]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3009520/

If you like writing so much, maybe you should publish a book, you fucking pretentious shit.

Like this post if you guessed correctly who the author of the message at the link was.

Smell my finger

Smells like cunt doesn't it?


Well, it's my finger after all.

[Assimilate]

Reset is such a pointless forum. There's no actual discussions there. It's a bunch of distinguished mentally-challenged fellows reaffirming their beliefs with other distinguished mentally-challenged fellows. Mods come in, check any minority opinion with a warning to keep the echo chamber going.

At this point it's there to provide places like the bore, kotaku in action, voat, and kiwi farms pure entertainment.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Reset is such a pointless forum. There's no actual discussions there. It's a bunch of distinguished mentally-challenged fellows reaffirming their beliefs with other distinguished mentally-challenged fellows. Mods come in, check any minority opinion with a warning, and it continues down that echo chamber.

At this point it's there to provide places like the bore, kotaku in action, voat, and kiwi farms pure entertainment.

[agrajag]

what great company to be in

[etiolate]

What's worse? KIA/VOAT/Kiwi Farmers or posting on the same forum with Assimilate and Etoilet?

These come-ons of yours have got to stop
 










or they got to improve 

[jorma]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/james-damore-sues-google-for-%E2%80%9Cdiscriminating-against-conservative-white-men%E2%80%9D.15064/page-8

read post 368 and see the warning

Then read post 361

 

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3017053/

“Sad little white boy upset he isn’t guaranteed to be at the top of the food chain based purely on said skin color and gender” is what I got out of that. He can get bent.

User was warned for arguing in bad faith.

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lol jk

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[demi]

What's worse? KIA/VOAT/Kiwi Farmers or posting on the same thread with Assimilate and Etoilet?

These pasty cucks dare not venture outside their safe space

[Assimilate]

What's worse? KIA/VOAT/Kiwi Farmers or posting on the same thread with Assimilate and Etoilet?

These pasty cucks dare not venture outside their safe space

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Fart on me.

[demi]

wow man spoiler alert now i'm fired

[Kurt Russell]

User warned: arguing in bad faith to belittle sexual harassment victims, making unsubstantiated generalizations about "the left"

✔️ making unsubstantiated generalizations about "the right" / literal GamerGate Nazis
❌ making unsubstantiated generalizations about "the left"

How is it possible to lack this much self awareness?

[Kurt Russell]

Uhhh.. one is substantiated? 

Do you actually understand what a nazi is, brah?

[Leadbelly]

“Sad little white boy upset he isn’t guaranteed to be at the top of the food chain based purely on said skin color and gender” is what I got out of that. He can get bent.

User was warned for arguing in bad faith.

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lol jk

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I love this post because the person seems to have actually read the memo and realised it isn't as bad as it was made out to be. So what was his take away? Well, it was to twist it into a conspiritorial narrative to make Damore into the exact pure embodiment of evil he desperately wanted him to be, of course. (lol)

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3015231/

People defending the memo. Guys, a shitcake is still a shitcake, even if it’s dressed up with whipped cream. The core is still shit.

What I mean is that, James made an attempt to Trojan horse his sexist viewpoint (e.g are biologically not capable of excelling at engineering) with suggestions on Googles hiring practices and having a more open forum for the discussion. The reality is, James knows his viewpoint is not acceptable and discriminatory, but he’s a smart dude, so he thought he bury the core message (the shit in the shitcake) with the dressing (e.g let’s find a way to make googles hiring more effective etc...).

Damore's only sin was to suggest that there are differences between men and women. What makes it so 'evil' is that it doesn't square with the modern leftist notion that gender, and pretty much everything else, is entirely a social construct. That is the only thing wrong with the memo. As I said in my previous post, they're completely insincere about it. They have to keep presenting him as this evil person who wrote the memo entirely for nefarious purposes, when really what is going on is that they subscribe to a certain ideological perspective that has made this subject completely off bounds for purely political reasons. That is what is really going on

The irony is anyone defending Damore in any way will be warned about arguing in 'bad faith' and being ''disingenuous', when it is clearly the other way around. It is the people attacking him who are arguing in bad faith, clearly.

There are two Steven Pinker videos I watched recently that speak to this. They are a really interesting watch.



This one is 40 minutes long but the relevant part is around 8 minutes in

[paprikastaude]

Are Simpsons "country episodes" perpetuating stereotypes?

After watching the Simpsons episode about China yesterday (where Selma adopts a Chinese baby), I was wondering about that.

Just my observations about the China episode. I spoiler it:

There was another episode in new simpsons where they go to Ireland. At first they arrive there and everyones stuck up. Homer and Abe open a bar and in the end the Irish people still go there to get blackout drunk and they just "repressed" their drunken behaviour.
The UK episodes usually work similar with using The Queen, Posh and bad teeth as stereotypes.

There are a lot more episodes but most of those episodes feel like they are written by someone who took a look at some pictures from a travel magazine and thats it.

A lot of those episodes dont even challenge those stereotypes. The writers roll with it. It really feels like a lot of episodes are just perpetuating those stereotypes.

thank god he spoiler tagged the 12 year old episode

This is like straight GG/4chan rethoric in Simpsons. You think this wouldnt be problematic if it reinforces some views people already have?

You know a person is awful once he makes you want to defend modern Simpsons.

[seagrams hotsauce]

I just realized I reflexively tune out anyone who unironically uses the term 'redpilling'

[Leadbelly]

I just realized I reflexively tune out anyone who unironically uses the term 'redpilling'

Are you talking about that video? Tune out Steven Pinker? LOL

The clip was titled that, but that was a decision by whomever posted the clip from Learn Liberty. It wasn't necessarily Steven Pinker's choice. And the context the term is used isn't in the way you seem to think.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3033615/

User warned: arguing in bad faith to belittle sexual harassment victims, making unsubstantiated generalizations about "the left"

The poster tried to actually respond based on the content of the articlle vs. posting an idiotic hot take based on having read only the subject line.

Here’s a fucking news flash for you: the women who have come out didn’t do so because someone was trying to “get a date” or “figure out if there’s attraction” unless you’re filing things like exposing your dick, groping and asking for a blowjob in those categories, in which case you’re completely demented.

And this French bitch can shove it. The notion that “insistent flirting” isn’t harassment is idiotic.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3043509/

[etiolate]

It's a good Doc. I recall that she states how she went over their claims, but perhaps this is in interviews. It's framed around her changing her mind, so that's why it has those shots. She does give the other side a chance to speak, but that other side does all the damage to itself. In fact, her going to those people is for the purpose of challenging the Men's Rights views, but the problem was those people were complete failures in even understanding the topic.

[Leadbelly]

Slightly on topic; watched that "The Red Pill" documentary the other day.

Man, it's fucking terrible.  Not even going to comment on the opinions presented by the people interviewed, but the interviewer has to be the dumbest documentary creator in history.  She literally doesn't ask a single question of anyone other than the occasional rhetorical "Really?"; she just sits there and buys every word and then they have all of these scenes of her sitting in her hotel room staring at the wall with her narrator "I was starting to change my mind about feminism."

I was meaning to watch it, but have never got around to it. I may watch it at some point to see what the fuss is about.

[agrajag]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-do-you-think-we-could-see-in-a-nintendo-direct-in-january-scra-caw.13513/page-91

I feel embarrassed for everyone in that thread.

[Bore Expert]

Just submitted my application for Resettlement Advisor. I put you all down as references so I should be good to go. Only a matter of time before I’m chilling in the VIP forum with Geoff Keighley and Slayven.

 

[Leadbelly]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3046506/
This user is banned for this post (3 days): Sexism argumentation.

I'm not the one saying it. I'm just saying that we shouldn't be selective in which women we listen to. Amy Henning, for example, said the game industry was a wonderful place of opportunity where she never experienced harassment or discrimination. She said "I may just be oblivious, and if so that tactic has worked for me" and that the internet was making the industry seem like a more sexist place than it was. It is the internet rhetoric which was keeping young women out of gaming, not the industry itself. I've seen Henning crucified for saying that, but you know, what if she has a point?

When I worked at Treyarch in the early 00's, they employed a handful of women that were all in positions of power. Project lead, lead artist, head of HR, technology lead. They would all have lunch together (which my wife was invited to a few times) and talk about women in the game industry. They complained mostly about a lack of women and not having more women to talk to, and not about harassment or discrimination. But this was about 15 years ago. The dialogue around women in the game industry was very different back then.

I don't think the industry suddenly became more sexist. I really don't. I just think that there has been a shift in the political landscape over the past decade, where before people would look at the lack of women in the game industry and arrive at one conclusion, while now they look at the exact same lack of women in the game industry and arrive at a different one. The problem hasn't changed, just the explanation of it - and the current explanation has a zero percent chance of actually solving the problem. If anything, the prevalence of sexism claims is leading to less women in the industry and fewer women in computer science.

Amazing.

[Uncle]

I like how they banned an actual game industry insider/worker.  Not that they should have any sort of immunity, but it's a real shit reason for a ban, and someone they ostensibly would want to keep around.

That was basically all GAF had along with its momentum.  Commentary from actual devs and insiders.  Reset is doing its level best to keep them scared off at this point.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Wow, Trump is finished.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sotublackout-state-of-the-union-jan-30-ratings-bomb.15141/

[Leadbelly]

I like how they banned an actual game industry insider/worker.  Not that they should have any sort of immunity, but it's a real shit reason for a ban, and someone they ostensibly would want to keep around.

That was basically all GAF had along with its momentum.  Commentary from actual devs and insiders.  Reset is doing its level best to keep them scared off at this point.

Yeah. What gets me though is, I am struggling to see anything in that post that warrants even a warning, let alone a ban for 3 days. There is absolutely nothing there. It is literally just a different perspective.

I don't think GAF was this bad at its worst.

Edit: Actually, by 'warrant' I mean from the perspective of ERA moderators. A lot of the posts they warn or ban I tend not think actually 'warrant' it

[Vertigo]

Do Reset mods actually discuss bans between themselves or just do it when they feel like it?

[I'm a Puppy!]

I'm in the same boat. I've consulted for dozens and dozens of companies. Most of those tech companies and have been in with their leadership and if I tried to say that most companies take it very seriously and that it's an exception not a rule, holy hell, you'd think I was just butt fucked by Hitler the way people react.

[who is ted danson?]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3046506/
This user is banned for this post (3 days): Sexism argumentation.

I'm not the one saying it. I'm just saying that we shouldn't be selective in which women we listen to. Amy Henning, for example, said the game industry was a wonderful place of opportunity where she never experienced harassment or discrimination. She said "I may just be oblivious, and if so that tactic has worked for me" and that the internet was making the industry seem like a more sexist place than it was. It is the internet rhetoric which was keeping young women out of gaming, not the industry itself. I've seen Henning crucified for saying that, but you know, what if she has a point?

When I worked at Treyarch in the early 00's, they employed a handful of women that were all in positions of power. Project lead, lead artist, head of HR, technology lead. They would all have lunch together (which my wife was invited to a few times) and talk about women in the game industry. They complained mostly about a lack of women and not having more women to talk to, and not about harassment or discrimination. But this was about 15 years ago. The dialogue around women in the game industry was very different back then.

I don't think the industry suddenly became more sexist. I really don't. I just think that there has been a shift in the political landscape over the past decade, where before people would look at the lack of women in the game industry and arrive at one conclusion, while now they look at the exact same lack of women in the game industry and arrive at a different one. The problem hasn't changed, just the explanation of it - and the current explanation has a zero percent chance of actually solving the problem. If anything, the prevalence of sexism claims is leading to less women in the industry and fewer women in computer science.

Amazing.

this is the worst ban i've ever seen. REEEEE mods are off their rocker.

[Leadbelly]

I don't dare comment in threads like that;  I've worked in tech for 20 years, across a wide array of types of companies.  If anything, the more technical a company is, the less you'd ever expect any sexual harassment.  I've done years of contracting at MS for instance, and their teams are incredibly diverse both by gender and race, I've never witnessed even the slightest hint of sexual harassment going on.  I've been friends with and dated females in the industry and most of them complain that the guys they work with are boring, not attractive, whatever more than anything else. 

Someone said something like "Every woman in tech, if you talk to them, can tell you stories that would fill a book about the harassment they've received"...  I ALMOST responded, but decided not to.  It's the current narrative, "Tech" is one of their main targets right now.  This weird "tech bro" stereotype that I've literally never witnessed in my 20 years at tech of some guy who thinks he's super cool and goes around harassing chicks.  Maybe that's more common in San Francisco or something, but here in Seattle all I've ever come across are a combination of sheepish nerds and people cocky about their technical abilities who rarely talk about anything else. 

And I'm a consultant, which means I have to go to social events all the time and am not just a 9 to 5'er.  Been in lead positions most of that time and have been privy to HR issues going on, etc.  I've literally heard two total stories of sexual harassment in my entire career;  one was a guy flirting with a receptionist at a building we were holding an event at, and the other was a lame off-color joke some guy told in passing.  I think I've only known one guy in all of my years of tech who was even the type to talk about women in any sexual way, and we were good friends, and he was well liked by female coworkers and was never inappropriate.  Everyone else is way too sheepish to even remark that they found a woman attractive.  Contrast that to your average group of males and "tech workers" in my experience are far less likely to ever be inappropriate.

When 20 years of anecdotes contrast the narrative, it's hard not to think your anecdotes represent reality more closely.  Hell, I witnessed more sexual harassment in my 2 years in retail when I was a teen to my 20 years in tech, by far.

It is lucky you didn't respond. At least now you know exactly what will happen.

I still can't believe he was banned because of that. Not even a warning, just a straight ban.

[Atramental]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3046506/
This user is banned for this post (3 days): Sexism argumentation.

I'm not the one saying it. I'm just saying that we shouldn't be selective in which women we listen to. Amy Henning, for example, said the game industry was a wonderful place of opportunity where she never experienced harassment or discrimination. She said "I may just be oblivious, and if so that tactic has worked for me" and that the internet was making the industry seem like a more sexist place than it was. It is the internet rhetoric which was keeping young women out of gaming, not the industry itself. I've seen Henning crucified for saying that, but you know, what if she has a point?

When I worked at Treyarch in the early 00's, they employed a handful of women that were all in positions of power. Project lead, lead artist, head of HR, technology lead. They would all have lunch together (which my wife was invited to a few times) and talk about women in the game industry. They complained mostly about a lack of women and not having more women to talk to, and not about harassment or discrimination. But this was about 15 years ago. The dialogue around women in the game industry was very different back then.

I don't think the industry suddenly became more sexist. I really don't. I just think that there has been a shift in the political landscape over the past decade, where before people would look at the lack of women in the game industry and arrive at one conclusion, while now they look at the exact same lack of women in the game industry and arrive at a different one. The problem hasn't changed, just the explanation of it - and the current explanation has a zero percent chance of actually solving the problem. If anything, the prevalence of sexism claims is leading to less women in the industry and fewer women in computer science.

Amazing.

I don't dare comment in threads like that;  I've worked in tech for 20 years, across a wide array of types of companies.  If anything, the more technical a company is, the less you'd ever expect any sexual harassment.  I've done years of contracting at MS for instance, and their teams are incredibly diverse both by gender and race, I've never witnessed even the slightest hint of sexual harassment going on.  I've been friends with and dated females in the industry and most of them complain that the guys they work with are boring, not attractive, whatever more than anything else. 

Someone said something like "Every woman in tech, if you talk to them, can tell you stories that would fill a book about the harassment they've received"...  I ALMOST responded, but decided not to.  It's the current narrative, "Tech" is one of their main targets right now.  This weird "tech bro" stereotype that I've literally never witnessed in my 20 years at tech of some guy who thinks he's super cool and goes around harassing chicks.  Maybe that's more common in San Francisco or something, but here in Seattle all I've ever come across are a combination of sheepish nerds and people cocky about their technical abilities who rarely talk about anything else. 

And I'm a consultant, which means I have to go to social events all the time and am not just a 9 to 5'er.  Been in lead positions most of that time and have been privy to HR issues going on, etc.  I've literally heard two total stories of sexual harassment in my entire career;  one was a guy flirting with a receptionist at a building we were holding an event at, and the other was a lame off-color joke some guy told in passing.  I think I've only known one guy in all of my years of tech who was even the type to talk about women in any sexual way, and we were good friends, and he was well liked by female coworkers and was never inappropriate.  Everyone else is way too sheepish to even remark that they found a woman attractive.  Contrast that to your average group of males and "tech workers" in my experience are far less likely to ever be inappropriate.

When 20 years of anecdotes contrast the narrative, it's hard not to think your anecdotes represent reality more closely.  Hell, I witnessed more sexual harassment in my 2 years in retail when I was a teen to my 20 years in tech, by far.

This user is banned for this post (5 days): Sexism argumentation.

[Himu]

ahahaha I forgot this month is Trump's State Of The Union address.

Can't wait for gaffes and fuckery.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3046506/
This user is banned for this post (3 days): Sexism argumentation.

I'm not the one saying it. I'm just saying that we shouldn't be selective in which women we listen to. Amy Henning, for example, said the game industry was a wonderful place of opportunity where she never experienced harassment or discrimination. She said "I may just be oblivious, and if so that tactic has worked for me" and that the internet was making the industry seem like a more sexist place than it was. It is the internet rhetoric which was keeping young women out of gaming, not the industry itself. I've seen Henning crucified for saying that, but you know, what if she has a point?

When I worked at Treyarch in the early 00's, they employed a handful of women that were all in positions of power. Project lead, lead artist, head of HR, technology lead. They would all have lunch together (which my wife was invited to a few times) and talk about women in the game industry. They complained mostly about a lack of women and not having more women to talk to, and not about harassment or discrimination. But this was about 15 years ago. The dialogue around women in the game industry was very different back then.

I don't think the industry suddenly became more sexist. I really don't. I just think that there has been a shift in the political landscape over the past decade, where before people would look at the lack of women in the game industry and arrive at one conclusion, while now they look at the exact same lack of women in the game industry and arrive at a different one. The problem hasn't changed, just the explanation of it - and the current explanation has a zero percent chance of actually solving the problem. If anything, the prevalence of sexism claims is leading to less women in the industry and fewer women in computer science.

Amazing.

"Sexism argumentation" what exactly does that even mean? Maybe it's because I'm not a native speaker, but that sounds like his crime was to argue about sexism. Maybe the mod who wrote that message noticed halfway through that calling that post sexist would be absurd

[etiolate]

I like the argument that women left programming in the 80s because of men, because it suggests that women are too sexist to stand working around men. The truth is likely an economical one. Improved choices in work that have an opportunity to succeed for women will naturally draw women out of the few spaces they had for success before. As well, the health sector booming created a lot of well paying employment for women. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case in India as well, unless you think that somehow India is a more socially forward thinking and female empowering country.

[HaughtyFrank]

I think it means he was banned for arguing that sexism is okay or something.

Argumentation: the action or process of reasoning systematically in support of an idea, action, or theory.

Ok, that makes sense. Hard to apply that to the post though, he never argued in favor of sexism. RE gonna RE

The only "bad" sexual harassment case I've ever heard of was a woman who stalked a guy for weeks, harassed him, and made false accusations (that were proven untrue, she tried spoofing an email address.) 

Now THAT is a somewhat pointless anecdote;  but to add to that, I've worked with several females who had no problem being pervy at work, talking about co-workers sexually behind their backs, etc.  All normal human being crap that isn't concerning at all that both men and women in all industries do.  I think it's important that people in leadership positions should avoid even that sort of mild behavior at work, and it makes sense there's a focus on men due to the off balance in numbers.. but beyond that.. good lord, relax lol.

[stufte]

When 20 years of anecdotes contrast the narrative, it's hard not to think your anecdotes represent reality more closely.  Hell, I witnessed more sexual harassment in my 2 years in retail when I was a teen to my 20 years in tech, by far.

This exactly. I have been in the video game industry for 12 years and like any other industry there will be assholes who don't know how to act around women. But this is extremely rare in my experience and when it does happen it gets squashed almost immediately. There is this idea being perpetuated that women are fearing for their lives and have to work twice as hard to make it in an atmosphere of extreme misogyny. It's fucking laughable and shows to me that people saying such things have no fucking clue about the real world outside of their internet safe spaces. I worked at The Buckle for about 8 months in the mid 90's and was harassed and witnessed harassment on a weekly basis, though most of it was more or less mutual.

[FStop7]

Sexy augmentation

[etiolate]

Sexist augmentation:

when your vr goggles keep putting dongs on everything

[stufte]

I like the argument that women left programming in the 80s because of men, because it suggests that women are too sexist to stand working around men. The truth is likely an economical one. Improved choices in work that have an opportunity to succeed for women will naturally draw women out of the few spaces they had for success before. As well, the health sector booming created a lot of well paying employment for women. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case in India as well, unless you think that somehow India is a more socially forward thinking and female empowering country.

Women didn't leave the field in the 80s. Before the PC revolution and video games, programming was considered largely clerical work. After the first apple personal computer comes out, the marketing for computing devices is mostly biased toward and appeals to boys and young men. So during this explosion of computing men saturated the demographics of new people interested in the field.

Wait, that doesn't sound insidious enough. You must be a sexist!

[Nabbis]

Can someone explain to me why US "left" keeps focusing on these shitty gender/ethnicity politics?

You fuckers don't even have healthcare or a unified curriculum for education and most of the whining is still about the above issues even though oppression Olympics is a far harder knot to solve with the countless variables that it entails.

I dunno, could be just me but it makes sense to focus on universal improvement first instead of everyone whining "me me me".

[paprikastaude]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3046506/
This user is banned for this post (3 days): Sexism argumentation.

I'm not the one saying it. I'm just saying that we shouldn't be selective in which women we listen to. Amy Henning, for example, said the game industry was a wonderful place of opportunity where she never experienced harassment or discrimination. She said "I may just be oblivious, and if so that tactic has worked for me" and that the internet was making the industry seem like a more sexist place than it was. It is the internet rhetoric which was keeping young women out of gaming, not the industry itself. I've seen Henning crucified for saying that, but you know, what if she has a point?

When I worked at Treyarch in the early 00's, they employed a handful of women that were all in positions of power. Project lead, lead artist, head of HR, technology lead. They would all have lunch together (which my wife was invited to a few times) and talk about women in the game industry. They complained mostly about a lack of women and not having more women to talk to, and not about harassment or discrimination. But this was about 15 years ago. The dialogue around women in the game industry was very different back then.

I don't think the industry suddenly became more sexist. I really don't. I just think that there has been a shift in the political landscape over the past decade, where before people would look at the lack of women in the game industry and arrive at one conclusion, while now they look at the exact same lack of women in the game industry and arrive at a different one. The problem hasn't changed, just the explanation of it - and the current explanation has a zero percent chance of actually solving the problem. If anything, the prevalence of sexism claims is leading to less women in the industry and fewer women in computer science.

Amazing.

I don't dare comment in threads like that;  I've worked in tech for 20 years, across a wide array of types of companies.  If anything, the more technical a company is, the less you'd ever expect any sexual harassment.  I've done years of contracting at MS for instance, and their teams are incredibly diverse both by gender and race, I've never witnessed even the slightest hint of sexual harassment going on.  I've been friends with and dated females in the industry and most of them complain that the guys they work with are boring, not attractive, whatever more than anything else. 

Someone said something like "Every woman in tech, if you talk to them, can tell you stories that would fill a book about the harassment they've received"...  I ALMOST responded, but decided not to.  It's the current narrative, "Tech" is one of their main targets right now.  This weird "tech bro" stereotype that I've literally never witnessed in my 20 years at tech of some guy who thinks he's super cool and goes around harassing chicks.  Maybe that's more common in San Francisco or something, but here in Seattle all I've ever come across are a combination of sheepish nerds and people cocky about their technical abilities who rarely talk about anything else. 

And I'm a consultant, which means I have to go to social events all the time and am not just a 9 to 5'er.  Been in lead positions most of that time and have been privy to HR issues going on, etc.  I've literally heard two total stories of sexual harassment in my entire career;  one was a guy flirting with a receptionist at a building we were holding an event at, and the other was a lame off-color joke some guy told in passing.  I think I've only known one guy in all of my years of tech who was even the type to talk about women in any sexual way, and we were good friends, and he was well liked by female coworkers and was never inappropriate.  Everyone else is way too sheepish to even remark that they found a woman attractive.  Contrast that to your average group of males and "tech workers" in my experience are far less likely to ever be inappropriate.

When 20 years of anecdotes contrast the narrative, it's hard not to think your anecdotes represent reality more closely.  Hell, I witnessed more sexual harassment in my 2 years in retail when I was a teen to my 20 years in tech, by far.

That's cool and all, but the paranoid nerds of reera have already decided that your industry is an haven for the alt right. Wisdom of the bubble > reality.

[paprikastaude]

Can someone explain to me why US "left" keeps focusing on these shitty gender/ethnicity politics?

You fuckers don't even have healthcare or a unified curriculum for education and most of the whining is still about the above issues even though oppression Olympics is a far harder knot to solve with the countless variables that it entails.

I dunno, could be just me but it makes sense to focus on universal improvement first instead of everyone whining "me me me".

Also still going medieval with death penalty and political discourse entrenched in religion. But apparently raging over anime boobies is the real important thing to care about.

[etiolate]

I like the argument that women left programming in the 80s because of men, because it suggests that women are too sexist to stand working around men. The truth is likely an economical one. Improved choices in work that have an opportunity to succeed for women will naturally draw women out of the few spaces they had for success before. As well, the health sector booming created a lot of well paying employment for women. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case in India as well, unless you think that somehow India is a more socially forward thinking and female empowering country.

Women didn't leave the field in the 80s. Before the PC revolution and video games, programming was considered largely clerical work. After the first apple personal computer comes out, and video games become a huge market, the marketing for computing devices is mostly biased toward and appeals to boys and young men. So during this explosion of computing men saturated the demographics of new people interested in the field.

I think women started gradually dropping out of Comp Sci degrees as you went higher up the ladder from the 80s through the 90s. You did have more interest from men who were willing to hang around.

It's kind of weird to ask yourself: is this a woman's or a man's job? And then basing your career decisions on it. The question is really whether you can succeed in the field. The young men who filtered into the field were going into woman's work to build things that interested them. (Games or programs perhaps.) Maybe social media apps brought women back into programming? Would be curious to see. I can find demographics of users, but nothing on programmers.

[Nabbis]

Can someone explain to me why US "left" keeps focusing on these shitty gender/ethnicity politics?

You fuckers don't even have healthcare or a unified curriculum for education and most of the whining is still about the above issues even though oppression Olympics is a far harder knot to solve with the countless variables that it entails.

I dunno, could be just me but it makes sense to focus on universal improvement first instead of everyone whining "me me me".

Also still going medieval with death penalty and political discourse entrenched in religion. But apparently raging over anime boobies is the real important thing to care about.

Well, i mean, in essence what im trying to understand is why the hell are places like Resetera and other liberal hugboxes going full on egalitarianism despite the country not having any basic foundation for that shit to work. It's not like it's hard to see either.

Someone honestly thinks that a society can progress into that direction without some of the basic egalitarian policies? People living in one of the most individualistic consumerism driven country are going to wake up one day and be all rainbows and sunshine? No wonder Republicans would rather shit bricks than conform to that, it's a huge leap into the unknown as far as they are concerned.

[etiolate]

Can someone explain to me why US "left" keeps focusing on these shitty gender/ethnicity politics?

You fuckers don't even have healthcare or a unified curriculum for education and most of the whining is still about the above issues even though oppression Olympics is a far harder knot to solve with the countless variables that it entails.

I dunno, could be just me but it makes sense to focus on universal improvement first instead of everyone whining "me me me".

Also still going medieval with death penalty and political discourse entrenched in religion. But apparently raging over anime boobies is the real important thing to care about.

Well, i mean, in essence what im trying to understand is why the hell are places like Resetera and other liberal hugboxes going full on egalitarianism despite the country not having any basic foundation for that shit to work. It's not like it's hard to see either.

Someone honestly thinks that a society can progress into that direction without some of the basic egalitarian policies? People living in one of the most individualistic consumerism driven country are going to wake up one day and be all rainbows and sunshine? No wonder Republicans would rather shit bricks than conform to that, it's a huge leap into the unknown as far as they are concerned.

Those identity politics movements are not based on egalitarian ideas. They are based on ideas of equity of outcome with the only caveat being that you can do inverse forms of discrimination like progressive stacks due to history.

[benjipwns]

You fuckers don't even have healthcare or a unified curriculum for education

[Nabbis]

You fuckers don't even have healthcare or a unified curriculum for education

Correct me if im wrong but you are a libertarian? Makes sense for you not to like it but im talking about US leftists, unless even that term has been utterly gutted to mostly be about identity politics these days.

[etiolate]

Also, the left's heavy influence into education is creating these type of buffoons.

[Himu]

Can someone explain to me why US "left" keeps focusing on these shitty gender/ethnicity politics?

You fuckers don't even have healthcare or a unified curriculum for education and most of the whining is still about the above issues even though oppression Olympics is a far harder knot to solve with the countless variables that it entails.

I dunno, could be just me but it makes sense to focus on universal improvement first instead of everyone whining "me me me".

People have legitimate grievances. Things like a rigged justice system, a drug war and the people it affects. When people wanted things done, like convicting the police that killed Eric Garner, nothing happened to them. And since the system makes it clear that justice cannot be served, people are further radicalized. And when they become radicalized, they start bitching about everything, because everything now reminds them of how broken the system actually is. It's a symptom of them being furious over legitimately fucked up shit taken to an extreme. Even Black Lives Matter which originally operated on a unified message that a lot of people could get behind, eventually turned to doo doo for these same reasons.

Also, I would hesitate to call this the American "left". The American left is still very much concerned with issues like basic workers rights and lack of good healthcare. We're also concerned about racial inequality and other things too. What you're seeing now are mostly privileged liberals yap yap yap yap yap-ing about shit that doesn't matter like the fact that there are dark skinned evil characters in Street Fighter games aka the social justice feggits.