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« Reply #180 on: July 24, 2018, 07:24:08 PM »
I like how Earthbound did it. Not only were enemies visible, you could get a free attack if you snuck up on them and auto-win if you were strong enough.
Mario RPG does that if you jump on them/etc.

edit: actually i think many if not all of the Mario RPG's do this, not just the original...
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« Reply #181 on: July 24, 2018, 07:29:41 PM »
I liked Paper Mario's system. It wasn't just braindead spreadsheets - you could do action-RPG-like things for perks and boosts, which kept battles feeling dynamic.

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« Reply #182 on: July 24, 2018, 07:35:05 PM »
I imagine random encounters were originally borne from a technical constraint that caught on because tradition and didn't change for way too long, and will only be adhered to in future by misguided nostalgia fests.

Aeana from GAF would aggressively challenge this notion, but I think in general it bears somewhat true.

i get the dnd origin also, but jrpgs hardly conform to dnd rulesets otherwise. i also get that it allows devs to anticipate and design for a players character progression better if you have a random encounter system so you know at the least they'll be fighting an enemy every 20 steps. im fairly fine with it in older games. i still love BoF, Grandia, FF etc, but it feels very lazy nowadays.
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« Reply #183 on: July 24, 2018, 07:38:15 PM »
i remember many parts of the first FF, even into the updated versions, where you can spend long periods wandering around the map trying to trigger the random encounters so you can level up enough to take on the next boss :lol

iirc the second game gives them out twice as often to try and prevent this
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« Reply #184 on: July 24, 2018, 08:04:41 PM »
I like Octopath, even if I basically agree with all of Dunkey's complaints.

I mean how can you disagree? Random battles in 2XXX is fucking awful and JRPG developers need to look at Persona 3, 4, 5 and Final Fantasy 12 to see that having enemies on the board just makes for more engaging tactical play.

Random battles just don't bother me that much, unless the encounter rate is super-high [in Octopath it isn't, and you can get a passive skill that makes them even more infrequent]. And in a game that's so clearly inspired by 16-bit JRPGs, I'd expect them to be there anyway. :yeshrug
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« Reply #185 on: July 24, 2018, 08:04:45 PM »
I like Octopath, even if I basically agree with all of Dunkey's complaints.

I mean how can you disagree? Random battles in 2XXX is fucking awful and JRPG developers need to look at Persona 3, 4, 5 and Final Fantasy 12 to see that having enemies on the board just makes for more engaging tactical play.

Also; Dragon Quest IX (and later instalments), Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, Xenoblade. I can't think of a single jrpg where i wouldn't prefer if i could see enemies on map. Fuck random encounters.

I think random encounters are a design thing rather than a technical limitation (Dragon Slayer back in like 1984 had visible monsters). Like others said, it dictates game balance, it makes things a bit more 'shocking' when you never know what kind of enemy group will spawn (will it be a metal slime? :O), it works well in games where resource allocation is a big facet of gameplay, and it also fits if the designer wants to make tight corridor dungeons where dodging enemies might be more difficult. So yeah, usually more abstract, oldskool games. And I'm perfectly fine with it, provided the encounter rate and difficulty is balanced.

Can't think of any games with random encounters nowadays though (Atelier?), unless they're trying to be purposefully retro. Even DQ has moved away from them (though DQ9's take on visible encounters were terrible, you couldn't really avoid the enemies even if you tried).
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« Reply #186 on: July 24, 2018, 08:29:10 PM »
Can't think of any games with random encounters nowadays though (Atelier?)

Nah, the Atelier games have visible monsters.
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« Reply #187 on: July 25, 2018, 12:31:10 AM »
I like how Earthbound did it. Not only were enemies visible, you could get a free attack if you snuck up on them and auto-win if you were strong enough.
Mario RPG does that if you jump on them/etc.

edit: actually i think many if not all of the Mario RPG's do this, not just the original...

I don't think the original Mario RPG did anything special for jumping on enemies, not even giving you first strike like in later games. If you have a Star you can blitz through enemies though.

Random battles were definitely a technological constraint that have been kept around due to tradition. Not too mention so few JRPG developers taking the time to balance encounter rates to an enjoyable level.

I liked Paper Mario's system. It wasn't just braindead spreadsheets - you could do action-RPG-like things for perks and boosts, which kept battles feeling dynamic.

There is definitely a fine balance on adding action elements to a JRPG, because you can make the already tedious random battles drag out even more by having the player press buttons even more often. Worst case you end up with a massive snore fest like Xenogears. High encounter rates, tough enemies, long combo input strings.
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Re: Dunkey
« Reply #188 on: July 25, 2018, 01:24:56 AM »
I like how Earthbound did it. Not only were enemies visible, you could get a free attack if you snuck up on them and auto-win if you were strong enough.
Mario RPG does that if you jump on them/etc.

edit: actually i think many if not all of the Mario RPG's do this, not just the original...

As a matter of fact, all Mario games let you kill enemies by jumping on top of them  :doge
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« Reply #189 on: July 25, 2018, 02:13:04 AM »
I like how Earthbound did it. Not only were enemies visible, you could get a free attack if you snuck up on them and auto-win if you were strong enough.
Mario RPG does that if you jump on them/etc.

edit: actually i think many if not all of the Mario RPG's do this, not just the original...

As a matter of fact, all Mario games let you kill enemies by jumping on top of them  :doge

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« Reply #190 on: July 25, 2018, 02:43:03 AM »
touché
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« Reply #191 on: July 25, 2018, 02:44:04 AM »
Or Dr Mario or Hotel Mario or Super Mario Bros. 2

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« Reply #192 on: July 25, 2018, 07:46:43 AM »
As a matter of fact, all Mario games let you kill enemies by jumping on top of them  :doge

Not Mario is Missing.

Real Mario games, made by Nintendo. 
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Not that licensed shi--

or Super Mario Bros. 2

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Re: Dunkey
« Reply #193 on: July 25, 2018, 08:30:40 AM »
Actually, did you know that Super Mario Bros 2 wasn’t really a Mario game, it was actually a Japanese game called Doki Doki Panic?
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« Reply #194 on: July 25, 2018, 08:43:41 AM »
Lost Levels > USA

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« Reply #195 on: July 25, 2018, 09:28:35 AM »
Actually, did you know that Super Mario Bros 2 wasn’t really a Mario game, it was actually a Japanese game called Doki Doki Panic?

 :mindblown :anhuld :mindblown

Lost Levels > USA

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Dunno; I think they made the right choice releasing the re-skinned Doki Doki Panic instead of a Super Mario Bros. level pack.
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« Reply #196 on: July 25, 2018, 09:30:15 AM »

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« Reply #197 on: July 25, 2018, 09:34:38 AM »
2:14 when he jumps over the flagpole is :rofl
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« Reply #198 on: July 25, 2018, 09:35:16 AM »
SMB2 is still awesome.  Glad we got that instead of LL, tbph.   First time I was genuinely jealous of my friends who had a Nintendo.

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« Reply #199 on: July 25, 2018, 09:59:25 AM »


Not Mario is Missing.

Mario is Missing was my biggest video games related disappointment in my life. Fuck that game. :stahp

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« Reply #200 on: July 25, 2018, 10:28:18 AM »
A game starting the better Mario brother?? :gladbron

...what is this edutainment bullshit? :goty

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« Reply #201 on: July 25, 2018, 11:30:15 AM »
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« Reply #202 on: July 25, 2018, 11:49:45 AM »
I was convinced of Lost Level's virtues a few years ago via Sixfortyfive on GAF (there's other, better posts they made, but I can't find them right now.) It's not as perfect as the original, but calling it just a map pack is a disservice. Accurate, but a disservice.

USA gets points for music and style, but I'd rather have platforming substance.

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« Reply #203 on: July 25, 2018, 11:54:01 AM »
I never really minded random encounters and I'm not much of a JRPG nut. It's very much whatever to me.
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« Reply #204 on: July 25, 2018, 11:58:38 AM »
I never really minded random encounters and I'm not much a JRPG nut. It's very much whatever to me.

They don't bother me too much as long as I can successfully avoid them when I want to.
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« Reply #205 on: July 27, 2018, 03:54:37 PM »
Finally!!!


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« Reply #206 on: July 27, 2018, 04:00:35 PM »
:rejoice
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« Reply #207 on: July 27, 2018, 09:05:23 PM »
now that's how you do turn based combat
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« Reply #208 on: July 27, 2018, 09:08:14 PM »
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« Reply #209 on: July 29, 2018, 03:38:58 PM »

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« Reply #210 on: July 29, 2018, 04:18:19 PM »
"just like in real life the real enemy isn't yourself, but snakes"

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« Reply #212 on: August 01, 2018, 11:06:09 PM »
This is the song of the summer.
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« Reply #213 on: August 01, 2018, 11:36:11 PM »


it's the 21st Century Atari OUTLAW
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« Reply #214 on: August 01, 2018, 11:46:47 PM »
Can we stop giving this homophobic person so many views from this site, or have you all forgotten what he really is like? I'm just baffled we have so many complaints about threads on Angry Joe yet we constantly haves ones on this person whom actually have extremely dangerous views on people and nobody seems to care.
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« Reply #215 on: August 02, 2018, 07:55:35 AM »
I have no idea about what he's really like, but that chicken wing video?...  I want that 2 and half minutes of my life back. 

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« Reply #216 on: August 02, 2018, 09:00:43 PM »
Very timely of master internet comedian “videogamedunkey,” a person who made a video defending a literal white supremacist, to debut his fresh parody of a viral video from three months ago.
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« Reply #217 on: August 03, 2018, 12:08:08 AM »


My 3 year old glanced at me looking at this and just said "he isnt really good not is he"

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« Reply #219 on: August 07, 2018, 05:55:20 PM »
All dat jank  :rejoice
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« Reply #221 on: August 10, 2018, 09:14:28 PM »
Dunky killing it with these rapid-fire vids lately.

The hack frauds at RLM could learn a thing or two. :bolo

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« Reply #222 on: August 10, 2018, 10:02:15 PM »
RLM never putting out more content until they start Patreon only content that isn’t behind the scenes

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« Reply #223 on: August 11, 2018, 11:02:49 AM »
Dunkey is the goat  :rejoice
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« Reply #224 on: August 14, 2018, 03:35:47 PM »


I actually might buy this now. :doge

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« Reply #225 on: August 14, 2018, 03:51:32 PM »
which mario song is that at the end again

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« Reply #226 on: August 14, 2018, 04:46:33 PM »
its the theme from mario 3d world, but not the official version afaik

also treasure tracker is a lovely puzzle game, pick it up cheap though
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« Reply #227 on: August 15, 2018, 03:01:01 AM »
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« Reply #228 on: August 20, 2018, 03:39:56 PM »


Dunky taking YTers to task never gets old :rejoice

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« Reply #229 on: August 20, 2018, 05:41:13 PM »
Even The Bore is just a Dunkey copy.
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« Reply #230 on: August 20, 2018, 06:58:12 PM »


 :dead
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« Reply #231 on: August 22, 2018, 04:13:51 PM »

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« Reply #232 on: August 22, 2018, 07:22:06 PM »
^^^^^^^
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« Reply #233 on: August 27, 2018, 03:42:35 PM »

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« Reply #234 on: August 27, 2018, 03:55:50 PM »
couldn't make it through the whole video
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« Reply #235 on: August 28, 2018, 08:50:01 PM »
Dolphins  :yuck :yuck :yuck
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« Reply #236 on: August 28, 2018, 09:29:02 PM »
We all know Dolphins are the biggest assholes in the sea

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« Reply #237 on: August 28, 2018, 09:37:19 PM »
We all know Dolphins are the biggest assholes in the sea

They're known rapists, so it's surprising filler wouldn't be more into it given his Jordan Peterson fetish.
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« Reply #238 on: August 28, 2018, 09:52:13 PM »
the first man of our nation was attacked by a shark, and a dolphin just watched.

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« Reply #239 on: August 28, 2018, 10:14:33 PM »
i remember many parts of the first FF, even into the updated versions, where you can spend long periods wandering around the map trying to trigger the random encounters so you can level up enough to take on the next boss :lol

iirc the second game gives them out twice as often to try and prevent this

I remember in final fantasy II (American, so like 4 or 5 or whatever it really is) I first beat that game when I was maybe 11 and clocked through the whole game in maybe 24 hours.

The final Tower of Babel was hard as shit without ever stopping to level. I also never realized that you  could use Pegasus to avoid taking damage in that area with the poison floors so I just chugged cure potions every 20 steps.

I’m honestly surprised I ever beat it. A couple Years later I played it again and took my time and was like “fuck I didn’t know you can get meteo!”