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Re: Red Dead Redemption 2: 2Red 2Redemptive
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2018, 03:51:12 PM »
TBH they should wait till GTA5 stops selling.

So 2022 give or take.

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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2018, 11:21:12 AM »
I recently heard the GTAV/Online sales are finally slowing down. I don't know if I should believe it or not. Online has been making them stupid-money.

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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2018, 11:59:32 AM »
Kind of want to build a gaming PC for this. Its gonna be b-e-autiful
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2018, 12:07:31 PM »
Kind of want to build a gaming PC for this. Its gonna be b-e-autiful
I hope you're right. Only announced for Xbone and PS4 so far though.

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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2018, 01:06:16 PM »
PC version probably coming a year later cause Rockstar knows millions will double dip.

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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2018, 02:57:43 PM »
The Switch port begging is going to be something else.

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Re: Red Dead Redemption 2: 2Red 2Redemptive
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2018, 04:18:33 PM »
Something im really looking forward to is being a ravenous asshole and looting and pillaging everyone and that making sense narrative wise. Hopefully.

Like, you can rob the Armadillo bank, shoot and kill people on Bonnie's ranch, and then main story npcs are willing to help John. Its really fun to be ruthless and be an asshole in RDR, but it creates a goofy narrative conflict.
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2018, 07:44:31 PM »
Something im really looking forward to is being a ravenous asshole and looting and pillaging everyone and that making sense narrative wise. Hopefully.

Like, you can rob the Armadillo bank, shoot and kill people on Bonnie's ranch, and then main story npcs are willing to help John. Its really fun to be ruthless and be an asshole in RDR, but it creates a goofy narrative conflict.
The playable character they've showed off so far seems to fit the bill.  You're right about the disconnect between the overworld and missions. That's why I hope they have multiple playable characters with different personalities to let players have a choice a la GTAV. Not that this game needs a full blown Trevor per se but a general asshole would be good.  On the opposite end, I'd like someone close to my RDR Marston.

I played it Neutral Good in RDR or at least a much as you can in a Rockstar game. My Honor meter was maxed to Hero relatively quickly.

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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2018, 08:12:54 PM »
Ehh I don't think it matters that much, it's just some extra fun. Free roam is just free roam. I'd rather they give you that option than try to make a different character to fit that bill, John's arc is really good. Happens in Bully too.

That said, does that morality system in that game matter at all?

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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2018, 08:20:06 PM »
My favorite types of ruthless:

Lose at poker, texas hold em, blast the winner in the head.
Kill the woman used in random ambushes.
Win a dual by shooting them in the hand then executing them point blank.
Start a bar brawl, execute them when theyre knocked out.

No matter what, the Mexico portion is a bloodbath. You end up with a thousand kills by the end of the act. If you think about it, John is never a good person. His reputation for being a safekeeper is accurate, but honor isn't driven by good, right decisions imo.

You kill a thosand people plus to be reunited with your family. That's selfish as fuck. John knows that too, he isnt surprised when the military comes to kill him and his family.
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2018, 08:57:10 PM »
That said, does that morality system in that game matter at all?
Along with fame, it affected shop prices, the bounty system, how quickly you were reported for crimes, npc chatter and unlocked some outfits/horses.

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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2018, 09:15:55 PM »
Well, that's the point of it all, ain't it? John tried to leave his old life behind but the old life couldn't leave him, and he get's progressively more aggressive by trying to get save the people he love. The part with the natives towards the end is pretty hardcore too. Ultimately all conflicts in this game are gray because everyone is an asshole.


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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2018, 08:23:56 AM »
My favorite types of ruthless:

Lose at poker, texas hold em, blast the winner in the head.
Kill the woman used in random ambushes.
Win a dual by shooting them in the hand then executing them point blank.
Start a bar brawl, execute them when theyre knocked out.

No matter what, the Mexico portion is a bloodbath. You end up with a thousand kills by the end of the act. If you think about it, John is never a good person. His reputation for being a safekeeper is accurate, but honor isn't driven by good, right decisions imo.

You kill a thosand people plus to be reunited with your family. That's selfish as fuck. John knows that too, he isnt surprised when the military comes to kill him and his family.

I lasso'd her, carried her over to the train tracks, and let it run her over.

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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2018, 10:00:33 AM »
Is there a pacifist way to go through this game?  :doge
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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2018, 11:35:43 AM »
It falls apart upon closer inspection, but I was a fan of the "unreliable narrator" theory about RDR. Plus, Rockstar doesn't have the chops to pull off that kind of subtlety.
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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2018, 12:05:16 PM »
Is there a pacifist way to go through this game?  :doge

no. hell no.
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« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2018, 06:42:34 PM »
Who the fuck wants to play as a peaceful cowboy? :donot
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« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2018, 06:58:07 PM »
It falls apart upon closer inspection, but I was a fan of the "unreliable narrator" theory about RDR. Plus, Rockstar doesn't have the chops to pull off that kind of subtlety.

Huh. I'd never heard of this until your post, so I looked into it and found this:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/957922-red-dead-redemption/54973327/605852813
That's pretty neat-o.

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« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2018, 10:01:21 PM »
It falls apart upon closer inspection, but I was a fan of the "unreliable narrator" theory about RDR. Plus, Rockstar doesn't have the chops to pull off that kind of subtlety.


Huh. I'd never heard of this until your post, so I looked into it and found this:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/957922-red-dead-redemption/54973327/605852813
That's pretty neat-o.

http://mwclarkson.blogspot.com/2010/06/real-john-marston.html?m=1
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Re: Red Dead Redemption 2: 2Red 2Redemptive
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2018, 11:31:42 PM »
Who the fuck wants to play as a peaceful cowboy? :donot

Assholes
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2018, 09:51:14 AM »
Who the fuck wants to play as a peaceful cowboy? :donot

Assholes

Vegans.

Admittedly, the "vegan" circle in Venn Diagram is completely enveloped within the "assholes" circle.

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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2018, 06:57:13 PM »
It falls apart upon closer inspection, but I was a fan of the "unreliable narrator" theory about RDR. Plus, Rockstar doesn't have the chops to pull off that kind of subtlety.


Huh. I'd never heard of this until your post, so I looked into it and found this:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/957922-red-dead-redemption/54973327/605852813
That's pretty neat-o.

http://mwclarkson.blogspot.com/2010/06/real-john-marston.html?m=1

Fascinating! Where do you feel that this analysis or model falls apart?

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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2018, 11:30:36 PM »
There were things that Jack couldn't have known about, and playing as Jack you're essentially doing the same mythical things as John (killing dozens, dead eye, etc)
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« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2018, 12:13:46 AM »
There were things that Jack couldn't have known about, and playing as Jack you're essentially doing the same mythical things as John (killing dozens, dead eye, etc)

Yeah, actually, there was that Achievement for getting the darkest reputation, and I played John as lawful/good as I could, so I cranked out the dark reputation in Jack's role. Honestly, made me feel dirty.

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« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2018, 05:18:48 PM »
Whereís the gameplay at?
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« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2018, 05:24:38 PM »
They're not finished with the Battle Royale mode yet, no gameplay trailer until then
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« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2018, 11:13:02 AM »
Just saw an advertisement for this, graphics looked surprisingly mediocre. Might have been the shitty image quality but still.
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« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2018, 06:21:01 PM »
World simulation matters more than visual fidelity in RS games so I'm guessing that's where a lot of processing is going towards.

Also, according to hands-on previews, they're still demoing the game on a base PS4 -same as the initial trailer they released 2 years ago.



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« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2018, 11:49:57 AM »
The videos look pretty fantastic to me. I'm not sure what the complainers are going on about. The visual fidelity is fine.

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« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2018, 07:27:58 PM »
It's not the best looking open world game on the market but it still looks very good. I've seen people comparing screenshots of the Xbox One X 4k enhanced version of RDR to blurry youtube compressed screencaps from the trailer for RDR2.  "The new one looks worse!" :derp

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« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2018, 08:40:40 PM »
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2018/06/04/red-dead-redemption-2-xbox-pre-order-bonuses-appear-early?abthid=5b1576f29fa21d2336000057

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If you're a die hard Red Dead fan, a Collectorís Box is also available which includes a metal tithing box with lox and key, collectable challenge coin, double-sided puzzle, six shooter bandana, treasure map, pin set, playing cards, cigarettes cards, and a Wheeler, Rawson and Co. Catalogue.
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« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2018, 02:43:16 AM »
Who would want any of that crap? Itís not even cool as a geek collectible.

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« Reply #36 on: June 06, 2018, 04:57:19 AM »
Is that the collectors version which doesn't even include the game?
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« Reply #38 on: August 09, 2018, 11:27:55 AM »
The fluidity of everything is incredible. It sucks we'll probably only get one current gen developed Rockstar game, but the effort put into this looks worthwhile.
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« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2018, 11:33:26 AM »
how will black people be treated? I'm really curious how they'll be handled. A white man talking to a black woman? A white man and a black man tapping beer glasses? In the 1800's? I hope they don't treat it ahistorically. I was looking for black people in the gang because that'd be interesting. Sounds SJW-ish but seeing realistic portrayals of race in video games really interests me from a storytelling perspective.

I'm surprisingly excited for this game. Rockstar's open world games are the only ones I could trust these days.

Game looks fantastic.

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« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2018, 11:42:07 AM »
I know Take 2 is gonna fuck this up with GTA:O type bullshit but I want it anyway  :noah

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« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2018, 11:57:44 AM »
hyped

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« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2018, 12:18:54 PM »
how will black people be treated? I'm really curious how they'll be handled. A white man talking to a black woman? A white man and a black man tapping beer glasses? In the 1800's? I hope they don't treat it ahistorically. I was looking for black people in the gang because that'd be interesting. Sounds SJW-ish but seeing realistic portrayals of race in video games really interests me from a storytelling perspective.

I'm surprisingly excited for this game. Rockstar's open world games are the only ones I could trust these days.

Game looks fantastic.

If they're doing it right, it should depend on the location or situation. The two things you mention most likely happened more than we know. A lot of data from that period is whitewashed.

I think saloons were segregated, but people could meet on the middle ground.

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« Reply #44 on: August 09, 2018, 12:24:12 PM »
I gotta get a ps4 for this

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« Reply #45 on: August 09, 2018, 12:58:20 PM »
Damn.. I wish I liked westerns, because I'd be all over this.

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« Reply #47 on: August 09, 2018, 01:14:47 PM »
The fluidity of everything is incredible. It sucks we'll probably only get one current gen developed Rockstar game, but the effort put into this looks worthwhile.

It reminds me of that article on how much effort they put into using the euphoria stuff in gta IV.

Imo, itís one of those things that really sets apart the production values on rockstar stuff to from other games.

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« Reply #48 on: August 09, 2018, 01:38:36 PM »
"Realistic recoil to keep you grounded." Oh?

later...

"Including the evolution of sharpshooting, using the Deadeye system." Ah. there we go.
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« Reply #49 on: August 09, 2018, 01:45:10 PM »
Curious to see how they handle the online stuff. I'm fine with GTA online so I assume they are going to use that approach rather than the payed DLC-centric approach of last gen.

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« Reply #50 on: August 09, 2018, 03:28:58 PM »
:noah
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« Reply #51 on: August 09, 2018, 04:31:34 PM »
I am pretty hype on this but only worry is they get too far up their asses with all of the small systems...like you have 30 mins to sell your deer or it will spoil, have to keep camp morale at a certain point, etc. Really kinda eh on the horse stuff I read about a few weeks ago.

They kind of have benefit of the doubt as RDR is one of my fave games of all time though.  :idont
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« Reply #52 on: September 24, 2018, 11:31:04 AM »
You can tell the weather in this fucking game by how horse balls shrink yo.   Consider me interested in this game now.

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« Reply #54 on: September 26, 2018, 10:26:13 PM »
https://twitter.com/RDonlineNews/status/1045001124678373377

online content updates haven't even started yet  :heh

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« Reply #56 on: October 20, 2018, 01:07:53 AM »
Going to catass DQ 11 before this drops. I just know it's dropping early here like most major releases.
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« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2018, 04:51:14 AM »
I need some western movie recommendations before this game drops. Already went through the Sergio Leone movies and about to boot up The Wild Bunch.

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« Reply #59 on: October 21, 2018, 02:25:45 PM »
Ill take this one