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[EightBitNate]

People are jumping through hoops to defend the Toronto shooter. What the hell is going on?

https://www.resetera.com/posts/10735273/

We don’t know the whole story. The 15 people he killed all could have been right-wing trolls.

[zomgee]

The all forgiving shower elf still perm  banning due to the lightest of criticism, in a thread where he basks in the glory of how welcoming to all opinions his forum is

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/returning-member-after-a-long-absence-how-would-you-rate-the-overall-health-of-this-forum.1464012/post-253352599

so it is more like resetera after all

[benjipwns]

If he purchased it illegally, then I think this was a terrorist attack.

wut

[benjipwns]

I’m not saying that incels and Muslims are equivalent, but it’s worth pointing out that the incel community started as a friendly, extremely positive community and remained that way for years before it was hijacked by 4Chan types. There were at one point (and likely still are) people who identified as incel who aren’t walking bags of human excrement.

wut

[james]

After 2016, it's amazing how poliera is 100 percent committed to the blue wave.

This time they don't have Phoenix dark jumping in with a dose of reality

[Uncle]

After 2016, it's amazing how poliera is 100 percent committed to the blue wave.

This time they don't have Phoenix dark jumping in with a dose of reality

Wait a minute...it all ties together!

What ultimately makes blue waves?

[Propagandhim]

https://twitter.com/kylekinane/status/1021802447633887232

[zomgee]

ResetEra annihilated:



And other people, I guess.

[benjipwns]

I've watch videos of him, but he never stood out to as a democratic socialist or a social democratic. Maybe a libertarian

I'm not ashamed to admit that I'd like his arguments better if he were a libertarian. RIP BTW, he was a good man.

this is a good summary of why I joined the Libertarian Party

ERA reports that Glenn Greenwald also libertarian:

‘Liberals’ supporting a libertarian who regularly defended Wikileaks, parrots rat sources.

Anyone that supports the Pauls is a massive red flag.

Was a (former?) Libertarian. I don't trust anyone who even thought that ideology makes sense.

He still is a Paul stan.

And of course, also works for and supports the authoritarian state of the Rus:

Hes gone full Russian shill. Repeatedly burning sources isn't an accident. He is a gigantic piece of shit.

He is a Russian shill. Anyone who trusts his "reporting" is no better than someone relying on Sean Hannity for reporting.

Russian shill

Russian apologist. I ignore whatever he has to say.

A piece of shit Russian stan. I've dislied him since I became of his existence during the Snowden leaks. It seems now people are finally waking up to the reality of what he is.

This dude sources RT to corroborate his pro Russia stance on issues. He’s a mouthpiece for a country who would happily kill him if he ever set foot in it.

I think he is being a useful idiot for Russia.

I do find it weird that Snowden ended up in Russia who also has ties to Glenn and so forth.

[FunSlower]

ResetEra annihilated:

(Image removed from quote.)

And other people, I guess.

[jorma]

https://twitter.com/kylekinane/status/1021802447633887232

not sure it counts as a past sin if you actually posted it today, good sir

is this some Gunn show of support? feels weird man

[benjipwns]

Lore dumpin on Kagari: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/returning-member-after-a-long-absence-how-would-you-rate-the-overall-health-of-this-forum.1464012/post-253354091

Looks like there was a serious Sony bias with the ex-mod in question.

[EightBitNate]

Lore dumpin on Kagari: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/returning-member-after-a-long-absence-how-would-you-rate-the-overall-health-of-this-forum.1464012/post-253354091

Looks like there was a serious Sony bias with the ex-mod in question.

That was such a stupid ban too. Forgot how bad it was.

[Raist]

There's been some talk lately about how the level of discourse on Era is unacceptable for a forum that claims to be "progressive". Setting aside the fact that this place can barely be considered progressive, I want to talk about the fact that while this is not new by any means, if men are noticing it too then it must be getting worse. Whether it's #MeToo threads, or that locked dumpster fire about a Pro CoD player dumping his girlfriend, or just any thread on women's issues, ever (females, anyone?) it's instantly met with a barrage of male defensiveness and misogyny. I had no idea the "please don't call women females" thread was going to blow up like it did, but apparently the idea of a woman politely requesting that men not refer to them in a demeaning way is unacceptable to some people on here. Let's not even go into what a mess gaming side is when you start talking about sexualised designs and feminism in gaming, or, god forbid, Anita Sarkeesian. The thread the other day asked why so many men lack empathy, and in instantly jumping to shout WOMEN TOO, the defensive dudes on here immaculately proved the OP's point: when it comes to women (and minorities), there is no empathy. We're silenced and shat on, unless we need to be conveniently trotted out to make a point, and then we're shoved back in the basement. Any discussion of the struggles we faced is turned around so that it somehow becomes our fault. And before people jump down my throat, I am not saying all men on here are like this. But enough are that it's a problem. I'm fucking tired of it. It needs to change.

This'll probably get locked off the bat, but oh well. Thanks for reading.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/eras-woman-problem-read-op.57534/

There's been some talk lately about how the level of discourse on Era is unacceptable for a forum that claims to be "progressive". Setting aside the fact that this place can barely be considered progressive, I want to talk about the fact that while this is not new by any means, if men are noticing it too then it must be getting worse. Whether it's #MeToo threads, or that locked dumpster fire about a Pro CoD player dumping his girlfriend, or just any thread on women's issues, ever (females, anyone?) it's instantly met with a barrage of male defensiveness and misogyny. I had no idea the "please don't call women females" thread was going to blow up like it did, but apparently the idea of a woman politely requesting that men not refer to them in a demeaning way is unacceptable to some people on here. Let's not even go into what a mess gaming side is when you start talking about sexualised designs and feminism in gaming, or, god forbid, Anita Sarkeesian. The thread the other day asked why so many men lack empathy, and in instantly jumping to shout WOMEN TOO, the defensive dudes on here immaculately proved the OP's point: when it comes to women (and minorities), there is no empathy. We're silenced and shat on, unless we need to be conveniently trotted out to make a point, and then we're shoved back in the basement. Any discussion of the struggles we faced is turned around so that it somehow becomes our fault. And before people jump down my throat, I am not saying all men on here are like this. But enough are that it's a problem. I'm fucking tired of it. It needs to change.

This'll probably get locked off the bat, but oh well. Thanks for reading.

This forum is filled with fake progressives who think smoking weed and not actively raping people makes them leftists.

I seriously was surprised that the "why some men lack empathy?" thread was not a gigantic chain of people just saying "Toxic Masculinity", i agree there is a bigger problem here than the community would like to admit.

It's unfortunate too as ii generally limits what threads I read/participate in as I can only handle so much before I get far too discouraged to post especially in threads where it's obvious (like the females thread) where the majority either aren't getting it or being willingly obtuse to say the least. Generally severely limits my time spend on the gaming side more so then off topic. I try and add my voice when I can but unfortunately we are by far the minority on this site and it only gets you so far.

The moderation here is pretty central on issues and Era has a "both sides" discourse, which is whatever, but ends up with a not so "progressive" user base.

People talk about the moderation being too strong here, but my view is that it isn't nearly strong enough. Being transphobic or misogynist just gets you a week ban, and you often have to have a history of acting like that just to get that.

The goal of moderation shouldn't just be to enforce the rules, but also create a good environment where people can freely discuss progressive topics without people coming in to deny that it's worth considering or trying to derail it.

The key to making this place more progressive is, like it or not, kicking out the people who don't fit that goal.

Harsher moderation. Faster perma-bans. None of this "week for a blatantly misogynistic post" BS that's currently going on.

This forum remains remarkably (white) male-dominated and it really shows in any thread that has to do with minority issues.

I have seen more well thought out bans here than than any other forum.

[benjipwns]

People don't get that you can't have "tolerance" of assholes without compromising people's social rights and safety. This forum has never been fully safe.

[benjipwns]

A simple request to not use the word females was met with hostility and gaslighting ("how come women can say the F word?!"). A simply word that costs absolutely nothing to remove from your vocabulary and carry on normally with your day. It says it all, really.

shots fired at the alt-grammar-right here

[Joe Molotov]

Lore dumpin on Kagari: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/returning-member-after-a-long-absence-how-would-you-rate-the-overall-health-of-this-forum.1464012/post-253354091

Looks like there was a serious Sony bias with the ex-mod in question.

I like the fact you wont get banned just for saying some shit but in the other hand there seem to be a lot of dumb fucks posting here these days.

Freedom, but at what cost?

[Joe Molotov]

A simple request to not use the word females was met with hostility and gaslighting ("how come women can say the F word?!"). A simply word that costs absolutely nothing to remove from your vocabulary and carry on normally with your day. It says it all, really.

shots fired at the alt-grammar-right here

 

[benjipwns]

I agree with you. Toxic masculinity is a serious and gross problem and it needs to be addressed. I'm here to help, for what that's worth.

[Raist]

I hope Persephone becomes a mod. Ban rate x10

[james]

Lore dumpin on Kagari: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/returning-member-after-a-long-absence-how-would-you-rate-the-overall-health-of-this-forum.1464012/post-253354091

Looks like there was a serious Sony bias with the ex-mod in question.

Evilore continues to not understand that this simply reflects badly on him.

He's the admin. The buck stops with him.

He either had no fucking clue what was going on (aka, is an imbecile), or knew and was fully onboard until he saw the latest cheques come in.

[benjipwns]

Could definitely do with more bans,. I constantly see sexist or racist posts that get the offender a slap on the wrist. Shit like that don't learn, and it doesn't need a second chance.

constantly

[Billy Big Bollocks]

"era's women problem"   

anyone who think that era of all places is somewhere that is hostile to  females women needs to go onto nugaf for 5 minutes and hopefully they'd began to feel at least a little bit silly. particularly that abortion thread on there, yeesh

[Nintex]

This forum is filled with fake progressives who think smoking weed and not actively raping people makes them leftists.

ResetEra: "BOY(BANNED!) THAT ESCALATED QUICKLY"

[james]

The amount of people that went “This guy totally has a point” when Henry Cavill said he couldn’t talk to a woman without the fear of rape allegations made me do a serious pause when it comes to posting here.

SERIOUS PAUSE

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Yeah, I was disappointed we didn't get a bigger woman for the role as that was a rare chance to make that body type more "mainstream".

(Image removed from quote.)

 


Where was that McCarthy/Feig team up this time around

yummmmmm

[benjipwns]

The amount of people that went “This guy totally has a point” when Henry Cavill said he couldn’t talk to a woman without the fear of rape allegations made me do a serious pause when it comes to posting here.

SERIOUS PAUSE

says the guy who has made 32 posts a day since ERA started

[james]

I love how all those posters are essentially calling the moderation team trash.

[benjipwns]

It's enough people that I've read tons from users who no longer post here because they don't feel welcome. Enough so that there are folks trying to build an alternative because they feel the moderation is not doing its job.

hot, a ResetERA for ResetERA, can't wait

[Nintex]

I love how all those posters are essentially calling the moderation team trash.

Not left enough. That's the problem with all modern progressives though, no one beats their purity tests and if they do a new bar is set. 

After all Bernie Sanders was a racist male white trash cis womanizer, basically a Nazi 

this member has the right solution

The only solution would be stricter moderation.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I hope this person catches a backseat ban:

https://www.resetera.com/posts/10738923/

Harsher moderation. Faster perma-bans. None of this "week for a blatantly misogynistic post" BS that's currently going on.

[benjipwns]

Can we please just have this one place that's welcoming to women?

That sounds reasonable to me. I’m all in. I hope the majority of us participating here feel the same.

Let me know if you think there’s anything extra I can do personally aside from not being a close-minded shitheel. I want to help make this a reality, I just don’t always know how.

so many heroes

[Raist]

"era's women problem"   

anyone who think that era of all places is somewhere that is hostile to  females women probably won't survive IRL for more than 10mins

FTFY

[benjipwns]

I’m just spitballing, but couldn’t there just be a downvote system? If you thinks posts are made in bad faith, sexist or misogynistic, then just vote it down for bad quality and once a threshold is reached, the post disappears and a mod takes a look on whether it’s worth a warning or ban.

yesssssssssss

[Nintex]

I’m just spitballing, but couldn’t there just be a downvote system? If you thinks posts are made in bad faith, sexist or misogynistic, then just vote it down for bad quality and once a threshold is reached, the post disappears and a mod takes a look on whether it’s worth a warning or ban.

yesssssssssss

Mob rule by the proletariat just as Lenin wrote. I like it.

I hope this person catches a backseat ban:

https://www.resetera.com/posts/10738923/

Harsher moderation. Faster perma-bans. None of this "week for a blatantly misogynistic post" BS that's currently going on.

I hope that person is made a mod.

[benjipwns]

Gaming side is pretty bad

I could make a thread right now asking "Why aren't there any black characters in Super Smash Bros.?" and best believe I'd be met with a bunch of dismissive drive-by's

because that's a fucking stupid question?

[FStop7]

ERA has a woman problem and GAF had the same problem.  Ask Anti Monitor or Devo.

[benjipwns]

Nah, this is totally it as far as I've seen. Any time a minority speaks their mind on a matter, people get that nasty knee-jerk going on. Suddenly it's fake progressivism, going too far, etc. You have women who talk up about this shit on the site about social issues they face and are suddenly dogpiled by dudes saying "actually it's okay." The "female" thread was a perfect example of this.

This place leans left in a lot of ways, but fails to be progressive because when women, people of color, trans folk, etc speak, everyone jumps to argue rather than listen.

a listen forum

[james]

Someone please quote all the "more bans" posts and then post the ban/warning chart in that thread

[jorma]

Of course they're smaller - any place that would have the moderation we (as in the minority user base) actually want is necessarily going to be smaller because we're going to be kicking out a significant chunk of the bigoted majority population.

RE itself would be smaller if the moderation were as harsh as a place like, say, /r/gamerghazi, and frankly, I don't see a problem with this. As mentioned by so many others in the thread, there are so many other places you can go if you want less moderation.
It's enough people that I've read tons from users who no longer post here because they don't feel welcome. Enough so that there are folks trying to build an alternative because they feel the moderation is not doing its job.

amazing 

[benjipwns]

Someone please quote all the "more bans" posts and then post the ban/warning chart in that thread

i hope anyone who does this gets permabanned and the image removed for using false narratives from a hate site

[james]

So the Era experiment didn't even last a year, huh?

If theres an exodus before the end the the year to a new forum that would be absolutely wonderful

[benjipwns]

People can feel free to have discussions about politicians and legal policies and such. Or you know, movies and video games. The things that shouldn't be up for debate are things like whether it's bad that a transman is portrayed by a cis woman in a movie, after the issue is well explained in the thread.

[FStop7]

So the Era experiment didn't even last a year, huh?

When it started off Rowlf and Cerium seemed pretty reasonable.  But they made some pretty awful selections for moderators and the result was inevitable.

[james]

Oh good another thread for people who were banned at the old place to bitch about the moderation.


INCEPTION

[benjipwns]

will NeoERA refer to "the old place" and "the old old place"?

[benjipwns]

It's 20-fucking-18 and if people "don't understand" why they got banned after making transphobic, homophobic, sexist, or racist comments, they can get fucked. There are plenty of other people who are willing to have good faith discussions who are waiting to take their place.

[Raist]

[benjipwns]

Did you miss the part where everybody left GAF because its owner was a sexist womanizer?

That is literally the reason people originally left and ended up here. To provide a platform that empowers women.. That doesn't support misogyny.

But it turns out lots of people don't give a shit about that and just wanna talk games on a non dead forum.

that's why they formed an LLC, to prevent that

[benjipwns]

You can't redeem gamers

[Uncle]

I love how all those posters are essentially calling the moderation team trash.

I love how the moderation is being pulled in two directions and no doubt going slightly insane because of it

They've seen the ban aggregator, they know the collective internet is laughing at them, and papa Cerium is in the background going "please don't sink my meal ticket here, we have to keep the users and the traffic rolling and be a major cornerstone of discourse"

Meanwhile the forum is incoherently screeching about how NOT ENOUGH people are banned daily

 

[zomgee]

People can feel free to have discussions about politicians and legal policies and such. Or you know, movies and video games. The things that shouldn't be up for debate are things like whether it's bad that a transman is portrayed by a cis woman in a movie, after the issue is well explained in the thread.

throw 'em on to the pile

[who is ted danson?]

I hope this person catches a backseat ban:

https://www.resetera.com/posts/10738923/

Harsher moderation. Faster perma-bans. None of this "week for a blatantly misogynistic post" BS that's currently going on.

No, make them SweetNicoles right hand gal. REE needs to be the first forum to do 0->40k->0 members in a year.

[benjipwns]

Era's had a lot of shockingly bad threads lately. The ArenaNet/Jessica Price thread comes to mind.

The biggest problems are bad faith arguments and "devil's advocate" statements.

[benjipwns]

Adding on to this, a ton of people in the PonyEra and MagicEra Discords no longer post on Era precisely because they find EtcetEra and Gaming unwelcoming.

quincognito (formerly charlequin) is particularly harsh on Era's lax moderation on the MagicEra Discord.

okay, we've peaked

[james]

It's enough people that I've read tons from users who no longer post here because they don't feel welcome. Enough so that there are folks trying to build an alternative because they feel the moderation is not doing its job.

That sounds like it would be paradise.

 

[benjipwns]

No, stricter moderation is NOT "literally all that can be done". What kind of attitude is that? Threads like these, people being consistent with informing others about problematic behavior since many are genuinely clueless about the microaggressions they commit and generally encouraging more debates around this issue is a huge part of what needs to be done, especially in terms of women's issues and toxic masculinity.

Don't rely on fucking moderators to do your job for you, you are literally the community. Shape it the way you think it should be.

In fact, I would argue that one of the BIGGEST problems in terms of Era not being particularly progressive beyond the basic shit everyone is expected to understand by this point stems from people (usually men) simply REFUSING to accept any form of collective blame. The same people are always quick to yell "FUCKING MONSTER!" in the latest #metoo thread and are then in the next thread literally saying "oh but I'm one of the good ones so please don't give me that shit about me being part of the problem". If you've ever said anything even remotely close to that, you ARE the problem.

I know the US is working really hard to convince everyone that we are all individuals and that no one shares any form of collective responsibility but that is literally a bullshit lie meant to drive people apart and dismantle unity within political movements. Don't fall for it and grow the fuck up. Society is based on the empathetic interplay between people, not on idiots going ME ME ME ME ME constantly. Fucking hell.

mmmm

[Uncle]

Adding on to this, a ton of people in the PonyEra and MagicEra Discords no longer post on Era precisely because they find EtcetEra and Gaming unwelcoming.

quincognito (formerly charlequin) is particularly harsh on Era's lax moderation on the MagicEra Discord.

okay, we've peaked

charlequin doxxed by a pone

[SmokyDave]

Got to say, I agree with them. The forum is full of racism, sexism, and all other manners of blind bigotry. They’re probably second only to Gamergate, or maybe the Nazis. Or maybe they’re the three legs of the Hatred Tripod. I dunno, but I’m hoping that NeoEra will at least be able to provide a safe space for the half-dozen posters that are truly on the right side of history.