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benjipwns

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52800 on: January 16, 2019, 04:28:58 AM »
Speaking of people who never bothered with running in Presidential primaries or developing a high profile Congress with accomplishments: Every single President of the last century except Ronald Reagan.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52801 on: January 16, 2019, 04:33:52 AM »
you tracked down and quoted and formatted a bunch of shit

take the L son.

Nah, but I wish I had, thats a solid Wall Of Shame post

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52802 on: January 16, 2019, 04:37:31 AM »
Speaking of people who never bothered with running in Presidential primaries or developing a high profile Congress with accomplishments: Every single President of the last century except Ronald Reagan.
Receipts:
Donald Trump: briefly ran in the Reform Party primaries in 2000 before dropping out before the primaries, ran in GOP primaries in 2016, won
Barack Obama: spent two years in the U.S. Senate, voting "Present" more times than anything else, then ran for Dimm primaries, won
George W. Bush: never elected to Congress, first ran in the GOP primaries in 2000, won
Bill Clinton: never elected to Congress, first ran in the Dimm primaries in 1992, won
George H.W. Bush: lost more times than successful to Congress, accomplished nothing, first ran in 1980 GOP primaries won VP by default, as VP entered 1988 GOP primaries, won
Ronald Reagan: first ran in 1968 primaries lost, ran in 1976 primaries barely lost, ran in 1980 primaries, won
Jimmy Carter: first ran in 1976 primaries, won
Richard Nixon: never accomplished anything in Congress, first ran in 1960 primaries as VP, won but lost election, ran again in 1968 against no competition, won
John F. Kennedy: never accomplished anything in Congress, first ran in 1960 primaries, won
Dwight Eisenhower: first ran in 1952 primaries, won
Franklin D. Roosevelt: tried polio instead of Congress, first ran in 1932 primaries, won
Herbert Hoover: first ran in 1928 primaries as Secretary of Commerce, won
Warren G. Harding: never accomplished anything but bangin chicks in Congress, first ran in 1920, won
Woodrow Wilson: never made it to Congress, first ran in 1912, won

Gerald Ford: elevated to Presidency by Nixon resignation
Lyndon B. Johnson: elevated to Presidency by JFK "assassination"
Harry S. Truman: elevated to Presidency by FDR dying while hottubbin with his lover
Calvin Coolidge: elevated to Presidency by Harding dying from bangin too many chicks

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52803 on: January 16, 2019, 04:40:04 AM »
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That's not your fault, that's Bernie's. He's spent his entire career being obscure since he never bothered with the big picture of running in presidential primaries or developing a high profile congress with accomplishments.

That's natural in political parties, and socialists or socialist sympathisers like Bernie have preferred to sit on the sidelines rather than rise up and fight the centrists head to head until very recently. Which gave them greater struggles to overcome as they aren't as politically smooth as the centrists who took over the party quickly and efficiently in the 90's. It's not the establishment's job to ensure your ideology survives, that's on your own group's.
i don't know what this is even supposed to mean :spin

dont doxx me benji, but can i get a link to this because:

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that's Bernie's. He's spent his entire career being obscure since he never bothered with the big picture of running in presidential primaries or developing a high profile congress with accomplishments.

Because this is the stupidest shit I have ever read about bernie.

Dude has never professed a desire to be president before the 2016 elections.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52804 on: January 16, 2019, 04:41:22 AM »
i need to know what stupid idiot posted that

benjipwns

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52805 on: January 16, 2019, 04:45:12 AM »
Same guy who said the GOP forced Obama to not expose Putin stealing the 2016 election: https://www.resetera.com/threads/kirsten-gillibrand-announces-2020-presidential-run.93711/post-16918565

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52806 on: January 16, 2019, 04:46:46 AM »
Same guy who said the GOP forced Obama to not expose Putin stealing the 2016 election: https://www.resetera.com/threads/kirsten-gillibrand-announces-2020-presidential-run.93711/post-16918565

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Are candidates like Bernie or Warren enough to overcome Gillabrand?

 :lol

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52807 on: January 16, 2019, 04:47:26 AM »
Bernie ran in 2016 in part because in 2012 he said someone should challenge Obama from the left, and nobody did obviously, and he said the same thing about Hillary and it was obvious nobody was going to do it, so he said fuck it, I'll do it. He probably never in his wildest dreams expected to raise $250+ million and actually be competitive in half the states.

Probably thought he could score some debate points, maybe get close in NH and then drop out, hopefully having moved Hillary to the left some.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52808 on: January 16, 2019, 04:49:11 AM »
Bernie never said someone should challenge Obama. What he said was that the policies the admin was chasing were in the wrong direction.

Depending on whether you were a weak dove or a fighting pigeon, he might have been right. Bernie's gonna have to stiff up for military when he gets into office.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52809 on: January 16, 2019, 05:06:32 AM »
That post actually has this additional comedy in it:
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socialists or socialist sympathisers like Bernie have preferred to sit on the sidelines rather than rise up and fight the centrists head to head until very recently. Which gave them greater struggles to overcome as they aren't as politically smooth as the centrists who took over the party quickly and efficiently in the 90's.
Yeah, the "centrists" took over the Democratic Party in the 1990's from the socialist sympathizers who ran it... for ~10 months before McGovern got blown the fuck out in every state. Then the powers that be told them to hit the bricks and handed the keys over to a conservative southern governor, who vaporized Ted Kennedy the party's dream candidate for 20 years head-to-head, and then enacted the Superdelegate system specifically to prevent insurgents from wielding too much power at the conventions against the fading Union powerbrokers that propped up Mondale over Jesse Jackson and the centrist Gary Hart.

Michael Dukakis apparently was the second Socialist golden age before the DLC "stole it" and forced "centrism" onto the party, even though it was Dukakis who tried to outflank Bush as being "tougher" on crime and foreign policy. But at least he wanted to raise taxes!

Although at the same time we're supposed to both hate the centrists (for being too pragmatic and listening to their constituents) and the leftists (for not being pragmatic enough nor listening to interest groups that aren't their constituents), because that Clinton-Obama-Clinton sweet sweet strategic liberalism mush that's more about social signaling in the culture war (and raising taxes!) is really what all the kids* want to mainline these days.

This is the other reason I gotta nope out of Era as the primary destroys it completely because there will be too much of this Vox™ mythology floating around with promotion from the Democratic Party Twitter that Kirblar speedreads and brings to the poor members trapped listening to people speak.

*30 year old white males that gatekeep PoliERA discussion.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52810 on: January 16, 2019, 05:08:25 AM »
shut up dummy, go back to theboresite forums

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52812 on: January 16, 2019, 05:24:21 AM »
Note: benjipwns died on the way back to his home planet

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52813 on: January 16, 2019, 05:51:01 AM »
shut up dummy, go back to theboresite forums
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52814 on: January 16, 2019, 05:54:46 AM »

Michael Dukakis apparently was the second Socialist golden age before the DLC "stole it" and forced "centrism" onto the party, even though it was Dukakis who tried to outflank Bush as being "tougher" on crime and foreign policy. But at least he wanted to raise taxes!

 :wag

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nice nod at the connection between "centrism" and fucking incel gamergater nazis  :doge
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52817 on: January 16, 2019, 06:11:56 AM »
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Info wars is nothing but a fake news channel at this point

...at this point ?
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52818 on: January 16, 2019, 06:27:14 AM »
replying to a bananas post not even once.


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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52819 on: January 16, 2019, 06:43:44 AM »
NeoGaf is essentially grunge-rock level word salad at this point and if you still read it daily it either indicates psychological self-hatred or that you still secretly identify with NeoGaf's community enough to read it. That's how I think of anyone who still visits regularly. You are either very, very sad, or very very very sad.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52820 on: January 16, 2019, 06:52:35 AM »
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/roku-has-reversed-its-decision-to-host-infowars-on-its-platform-after-facing-backlash-from-its-users.1471123/

First, they came for Alex Jones and I didn't speak...

I assume you're laughing at the idea of quoting Martin Niemöller because you think its a good thing that a completely unaccountable corporate entity has the power to censor the expression of ideas because... what, existing libel laws aren't sufficient to punish people irresponsibly making false accusations?
The principle of freedom of expression only counts for people you agree with anyway, and could never be used to, say, prevent discussion of civil rights abuses in palestine under the flag of anti-semitism?
Free speech is only a governmental issue and the Fourth Estate shouldn't have any responsibility?

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« Reply #52821 on: January 16, 2019, 07:45:44 AM »
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/roku-has-reversed-its-decision-to-host-infowars-on-its-platform-after-facing-backlash-from-its-users.1471123/

First, they came for Alex Jones and I didn't speak...

I assume you're laughing at the idea of quoting Martin Niemöller because you think its a good thing that a completely unaccountable corporate entity has the power to censor the expression of ideas because... what, existing libel laws aren't sufficient to punish people irresponsibly making false accusations?
The principle of freedom of expression only counts for people you agree with anyway, and could never be used to, say, prevent discussion of civil rights abuses in palestine under the flag of anti-semitism?
Free speech is only a governmental issue and the Fourth Estate shouldn't have any responsibility?

Yeah, what's the next? They'll take down Stormfront? Smh

Companies should be FORCED to host a dude who accuses parents of school shooting victims of being actors.  :doge

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52822 on: January 16, 2019, 07:58:41 AM »
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Can they not fight the deportation though? and claim their life will be in danger or something?

"We refuse to extradite because something."
REra, International Law Esquire.

(It does not even seem from the linked article that Russia asked for extradition but that the Thai justice has decided to deport her for breaking the law in Thailand, but heh.)

https://www.resetera.com/threads/belarusian-escort-who-said-she-had-information-on-russian-election-interference-will-be-deported-from-thailand.93790/#post-16921698
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52823 on: January 16, 2019, 08:00:09 AM »
the kree is the most insufferable poster on era.

fuck at least other morons give content to laugh at.
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52824 on: January 16, 2019, 08:01:47 AM »
replying to a bananas post not even once.

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Reading them is already a mistake, imagine replying to them.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52825 on: January 16, 2019, 08:04:35 AM »
Defending the principles of free expression means being forced to defend shitheels who abuse free expression, because the principle is that important.
The ACLU don't like the idea that the Westboro Baptist Church will go to a dead veterans funeral and hold placards and shout at mourning relatives that they're glad their kid got killed because he was a cigarillo and god hates him, but they believe in the principle that they should be allowed to do that, as distasteful as that is.

Because thats what principles are. If they're worth anything at all they're not something you abandon when it becomes awkward or inconvenient to adhere to.

You're fine with people you don't like being 'deplatformed'. Good for you.
But the point of Martin Niemöller's famous quote is if you let people you don't give a shit about get thrown under the bus, what happens when people you do care about are in the same position?
What, you're fine with people you don't even know with zero obligations to do anything but what they want to do be in charge of that?
Is it completely out of the realms of possibility that a fundamentalist religious organisation could buy a controlling stake in one of these publicly traded companies?
Then what do you do when they're 'deplatforming' things like teachers teaching the theory of evolution instead of creationism? People offering sexual education? Access to abortions? Gay rights advocates?

Is that when you speak up and say "hey, wait a minute, nobody told me letting other people make these kinds of decisions meant someday it would affect people I don't think are bad guys"?
Because thats the point of that fucking Martin Niemöller quote. He's telling you that right fucking now.


also
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52826 on: January 16, 2019, 08:07:58 AM »
bananas has been put here by a benevolent but nevertheless mirthful spirit to test your resolve.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52827 on: January 16, 2019, 08:10:10 AM »
Gillette were too scared of a social justice mob to put a negative stereotype of a non white male in their ad.

 :lol

But finally, a razor woke enough for me

The dudes who stop their cars and holler at my wife when she is walking the dog are not cacs.
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52828 on: January 16, 2019, 08:28:39 AM »
Defending the principles of free expression means being forced to defend shitheels who abuse free expression, because the principle is that important.
The ACLU don't like the idea that the Westboro Baptist Church will go to a dead veterans funeral and hold placards and shout at mourning relatives that they're glad their kid got killed because he was a cigarillo and god hates him, but they believe in the principle that they should be allowed to do that, as distasteful as that is.

Because thats what principles are. If they're worth anything at all they're not something you abandon when it becomes awkward or inconvenient to adhere to.

You're fine with people you don't like being 'deplatformed'. Good for you.
But the point of Martin Niemöller's famous quote is if you let people you don't give a shit about get thrown under the bus, what happens when people you do care about are in the same position?
What, you're fine with people you don't even know with zero obligations to do anything but what they want to do be in charge of that?
Is it completely out of the realms of possibility that a fundamentalist religious organisation could buy a controlling stake in one of these publicly traded companies?
Then what do you do when they're 'deplatforming' things like teachers teaching the theory of evolution instead of creationism? People offering sexual education? Access to abortions? Gay rights advocates?

Is that when you speak up and say "hey, wait a minute, nobody told me letting other people make these kinds of decisions meant someday it would affect people I don't think are bad guys"?
Because thats the point of that fucking Martin Niemöller quote. He's telling you that right fucking now.


also
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Just make your own platform, rightwings lmao

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52829 on: January 16, 2019, 08:48:47 AM »
obligatory :no1curr

but you're a special kind of moron if you think being against corporate governance of social acceptability or agreeing with organisations like the ACLU, the EFF or Amnesty International is "right wing"

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52830 on: January 16, 2019, 08:50:43 AM »
Defending the principles of free expression means being forced to defend shitheels who abuse free expression, because the principle is that important.
The ACLU don't like the idea that the Westboro Baptist Church will go to a dead veterans funeral and hold placards and shout at mourning relatives that they're glad their kid got killed because he was a cigarillo and god hates him, but they believe in the principle that they should be allowed to do that, as distasteful as that is.

Because thats what principles are. If they're worth anything at all they're not something you abandon when it becomes awkward or inconvenient to adhere to.

I know what you mean, I defend furries because I believe in the principle of respect for all people, but sometimes I wonder if it's worth the emotional toll. I feel like the public defender who is ethically forced to get a guilty client off on a technicality.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52831 on: January 16, 2019, 08:52:34 AM »
We're at the point where even furries won't defend furries
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52832 on: January 16, 2019, 08:59:02 AM »
I know what you mean, I defend furries because I believe in the principle of respect for all people, but sometimes I wonder if it's worth the emotional toll. I feel like the public defender who is ethically forced to get a guilty client off on a technicality.

Don't get me wrong, I'm totally going to laugh at furries, but its not because I have any particular moral imperative to want them to stop doing whatever pulls their trigger.
Its mostly that its blatantly a sex thing, and they keep pretending its not.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52833 on: January 16, 2019, 09:18:22 AM »
Dashcon, that was the epic fail one with the ballpit meme:
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At 9:00 p.m. CT, as a result of this unexpected development, organizers began to publicly solicit donations among a crowd of around 1,000 attendees (itself much lower than the original estimate of 3,000 to 7,000 attendees),[7] and online via PayPal, to cover costs, with a goal of collecting at least $17,000 by 10:00 p.m. to prevent the convention from being shut down. Organizers speculated that the abrupt change in plans was because the hotel's management "[did not] like the people at the con".[9] Attendees were seen performing a three-fingered salute from The Hunger Games and chanting lines from High School Musical.[9] While organizers managed to raise the necessary funds, the incident raised suspicion among attendees over the possibility of the crowdfunding drive being a scam (which included disputes over the authenticity of an image of the bill, printed on hotel stationery, which was released by a staff member), or being further proof of the alleged mismanagement.[9][10][11]

Several guests – including Noelle Stevenson (who had to moderate her own panel because the scheduled moderator was absent), the Baker Street Babes (who produced an all-female Sherlock Holmes podcast),[7] and the Welcome to Night Vale cast – were also informed by the hotel that they would be responsible for paying for their own rooms, despite previously being told that the rooms would be paid for by the convention itself.[7] Stevenson would ultimately join the WTNV cast for the night in accommodations obtained via Airbnb. The appearance by the Welcome to Night Vale cast was ultimately canceled; organizers reimbursed those who had purchased tickets for the panel with tickets to a raffle of various autographed collectibles, admission to a concert with the Chicago-based Doctor Who-inspired rock band Time Crash,[12] and an "extra hour with the ball pit".[7][9][10][13]

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Also there is a ballpit. You have to book time to play in it because with no pannels, no guests, and no dealers room, there is literally nothing else to do at the con.

This is some top-shelf cringe. :noah
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« Reply #52834 on: January 16, 2019, 10:07:36 AM »
https://jezebel.com/the-tumblr-user-convention-dashcon-was-a-beautiful-hil-1604571770

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Here's a roundup of some of the panels that were planned:

  • Shipping 101: OTP? BroTP? NOTP? OT3? Your basics...and not so basics on all things shipping! 18+
  • Can You Knot: Exploring the Omegaverse (18+): A growing subset within fandoms! Topics such as gender roles, gendered language, and the six gender system will be discussed among many other topics.
  • British Men with...CHEEKBONES: Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston, David Tennant...we all know how addicted you are to those faces and those impeccable cheekbones. Fangirl with others over how much you can't live without those, and others, beautiful faces.
  • BDSM 101: A panel to discuss the truth of BDSM and to clear up the misconceptions set forth by popular fiction and a fear of the unknown. 18+
  • Hetalia Jeopardy: The infamous game show but with Hetalia! The show, characters, the history, and everything else you can think of! Prizes will be given.
  • Sherlock Fandom: We Did WHAT?: A glimpse into the craziness that has always embodied the Sherlockians, whether you were forcing ACD to resurrect your hero, or drawing John having intimate relations with a tuna in a scarf. A no holds barred panel, be prepared for anything and everything. 18+
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52835 on: January 16, 2019, 10:11:50 AM »
 :woody

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52836 on: January 16, 2019, 10:29:24 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-happened-to-max-landis.93833/post-16925047

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His dad got away with killing some kids and Vic Morrow, so I'm sure he'll be fine too.

stay classy, era

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52837 on: January 16, 2019, 10:43:16 AM »
Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston, David Tennant....will not be appearing, and in fact have already sent C&D letters.
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« Reply #52838 on: January 16, 2019, 10:44:40 AM »
You take Benedict Cumberbatch's name out of your mouth you whore.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52839 on: January 16, 2019, 10:45:21 AM »
I bet he lays pipe.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52840 on: January 16, 2019, 10:59:42 AM »
Speaking of Benedict, I recently watched Infinity War.

What a dumpster fire of a movie.
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52841 on: January 16, 2019, 11:01:05 AM »
it's a terrible movie

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« Reply #52842 on: January 16, 2019, 11:02:29 AM »
It's a great spectacle with some solid performances and tight pacing, just cause adults are wearing costumes and shooting laser beams doesn't mean it's terrible.

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« Reply #52843 on: January 16, 2019, 11:23:15 AM »
fuck off marrec

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« Reply #52844 on: January 16, 2019, 11:23:35 AM »
It’s a movie where the villain attains god like power so he can kill off half the population but leaves enough heroes alive so that they can eventually defeat him.
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« Reply #52845 on: January 16, 2019, 11:26:13 AM »
It's a great spectacle with some solid performances and tight pacing, just cause adults are wearing costumes and shooting laser beams doesn't mean it's terrible.

Gravity was a great spectacle. Interstellar was a great spectacle.

Infinity War is a bunch of similar looking people with 5th grade level dialogue standing in front of green screens with the background set to "extra colorful".

What blew my mind is that there are two scenes that take place in busy areas, and there are zero background extras. Theres a big fight in NYC, and after the first five seconds of people running away, the city is completely deserted. Not a single person aside from the main cast of 5. This repeats again during a fight in a train station in Scotland (I think). Absolutely nothing going on in the background. They spent like $200m and they couldnt pay for extras?

And tight pacing? Theres like 45 minutes of uneeded shit put it to drag the movie to 2.5 hours.


But you know what really surprised me?

During the first 15-25 minutes or so, there is one (1) female character who has like 3 lines. Everything else is dudes. Where the fuck is my 400 page Resetera thread about how horrible that is?
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52846 on: January 16, 2019, 11:26:40 AM »
fuck off marrec

 :umad

James Interstellar is worse than Infinity War, THAT was a terrible movie

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52847 on: January 16, 2019, 11:28:29 AM »
marrec is such a bitch.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52848 on: January 16, 2019, 11:31:21 AM »
fuck off marrec

 :umad

James Interstellar is worse than Infinity War, THAT was a terrible movie

Interstellar had a lot of problems, including pacing.

But it was a great spectacle and theres no debating that.

Take the scene on the giant wave planet. Going there, for one, was idiotic. When they were planning it, Im like "hey guys hasnt the transponder only been there for like 2 minutes?" but the crack team of scientists didnt figure that out until they left. And then once theyre there, the death was the stupidest fucking thing. Stand inside the ship you imbecile.

But it was a great fucking spectacle, and nothing in the Marvel movies comes close to matching that.
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52849 on: January 16, 2019, 11:32:01 AM »

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52850 on: January 16, 2019, 11:34:24 AM »
fuck off marrec

 :umad

James Interstellar is worse than Infinity War, THAT was a terrible movie

Interstellar had a lot of problems, including pacing.

But it was a great spectacle and theres no debating that.

Take the scene on the giant wave planet. Going there, for one, was idiotic. When they were planning it, Im like "hey guys hasnt the transponder only been there for like 2 minutes?" but the crack team of scientists didnt figure that out until they left. And then once theyre there, the death was the stupidest fucking thing. Stand inside the ship you imbecile.

But it was a great fucking spectacle, and nothing in the Marvel movies comes close to matching that.

It's hard to match Nolan for spectacle so you're definitely correct about that, but Infinity War is pretty spectacular on the big screen as well.

I'm probably biased because I'm a nerd but the Thanos battle on his home planet displayed an understanding of action cinema that Nolan will never be able to grasp. Beyond all of that it's a pretty bland movie though yes, with a standout performance by Josh Brolin who brings pathos to a character that wasn't well written at all. A worse actor would have been disastrous for the movie.

EDIT:

It does feel weirdly barren at times, probably because putting in extras in scenes that are entirely CG would be more diminishing in it's returns.
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52851 on: January 16, 2019, 11:42:55 AM »
It's hard to match Nolan for spectacle so you're definitely correct about that, but Infinity War is pretty spectacular on the big screen as well.

I'm probably biased because I'm a nerd but the Thanos battle on his home planet displayed an understanding of action cinema that Nolan will never be able to grasp. Beyond all of that it's a pretty bland movie though yes, with a standout performance by Josh Brolin who brings pathos to a character that wasn't well written at all. A worse actor would have been disastrous for the movie.

EDIT:

It does feel weirdly barren at times, probably because putting in extras in scenes that are entirely CG would be more diminishing in it's returns.

I was going to mention Dunkirk as another example of a wonderful spectacle movie, but yup, Nolan.

What do you mean by an understanding of action cinema? The fights are all meaningless because you can have the strongest person in the universe punch a kid and they dont even get a mild bruise because of the magic powers of a fabric suit. Theres no weight to any of the hits. It's like a bunch of people hitting each other with foam pool noodles. Guns, swords, magic, flying trucks, none of the attacks do anything to anybody.

The part where they jump in and out of the little space portals created by Strange was a nice gimmick though.

And yes, Thanos comes off well. I wish him the best in the sequel. Nice dude.
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52853 on: January 16, 2019, 12:08:26 PM »
Defending the principles of free expression means being forced to defend shitheels who abuse free expression, because the principle is that important.
The ACLU don't like the idea that the Westboro Baptist Church will go to a dead veterans funeral and hold placards and shout at mourning relatives that they're glad their kid got killed because he was a cigarillo and god hates him, but they believe in the principle that they should be allowed to do that, as distasteful as that is.

Because thats what principles are. If they're worth anything at all they're not something you abandon when it becomes awkward or inconvenient to adhere to.

You're fine with people you don't like being 'deplatformed'. Good for you.
But the point of Martin Niemöller's famous quote is if you let people you don't give a shit about get thrown under the bus, what happens when people you do care about are in the same position?
What, you're fine with people you don't even know with zero obligations to do anything but what they want to do be in charge of that?
Is it completely out of the realms of possibility that a fundamentalist religious organisation could buy a controlling stake in one of these publicly traded companies?
Then what do you do when they're 'deplatforming' things like teachers teaching the theory of evolution instead of creationism? People offering sexual education? Access to abortions? Gay rights advocates?

Is that when you speak up and say "hey, wait a minute, nobody told me letting other people make these kinds of decisions meant someday it would affect people I don't think are bad guys"?
Because thats the point of that fucking Martin Niemöller quote. He's telling you that right fucking now.


also
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Cigarillo, eh? I like it. lol

It's an interesting discussion. Libertarians for instance actually support the right of these companies to ban whoever they please because they very strongly believe in the concept of property rights. I think they have a point to a degree in that allowing the government to have a bigger say in what or in whom private businesses do business with could be potentially dangerous further down the line.

However, the counter argument is the internet has become like the public square. It has increasingly become the place in which people gather to spread ideas and debate. These tech companies have got so big that they basically control the internet. What's more they're colluding with each other. So for example Sargon of Akkad was banned from patreon so he decided to move to SubscribeStar. Not so long after doing so PayPal pulled out from SubscribeStar leaving it without a payment processor. Alex Jones was banned almost simultaneously from multiple different platforms in a way that seems like they were colluding with each other. The libertarian argument would be to create a new platform that allows free speech to thrive, but that is not so easy when Silicon Valley pretty much has aa stranglehold on the internet. What happened to Gab is another example of how Silicon Valley has colluded with each other to topple a platform that is pro-free speech.

Should the internet be considered a public utility? Have platforms like Google got so big that they should be compelled to protect free speech?

It's a difficult question to answer because the issue of property rights and the right for privately owned businesses to decide who they do and don't want to business with is a valid one. On the other hand, silicon Valley has such stranglehold on the internet it is becoming increasingly difficult to provide alternatives that allow for the flourishing of different opinions and political viewpoints.


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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52855 on: January 16, 2019, 12:19:27 PM »
Defending the principles of free expression means being forced to defend shitheels who abuse free expression, because the principle is that important.
The ACLU don't like the idea that the Westboro Baptist Church will go to a dead veterans funeral and hold placards and shout at mourning relatives that they're glad their kid got killed because he was a cigarillo and god hates him, but they believe in the principle that they should be allowed to do that, as distasteful as that is.

Because thats what principles are. If they're worth anything at all they're not something you abandon when it becomes awkward or inconvenient to adhere to.

I know what you mean, I defend furries because I believe in the principle of respect for all people, but sometimes I wonder if it's worth the emotional toll. I feel like the public defender who is ethically forced to get a guilty client off on a technicality.

You can fight for the right of furries to exist, but that shouldn't stop you from making fun of them.


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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52857 on: January 16, 2019, 12:24:17 PM »
I don't give a fuck about you 50ppp pieces of shit you fucking fucker

I copy/paste the link cuz I'm crazy like that

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52858 on: January 16, 2019, 12:25:10 PM »
Imagine arguing with a well-known and professionally certified transphobe, crack head, and cuckk like marrec  :joker
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52859 on: January 16, 2019, 12:32:27 PM »
I don't give a fuck about you 50ppp pieces of shit you fucking fucker

I copy/paste the link cuz I'm crazy like that

Why even post a link here, with no quotes or anything, when the link doesn't work for anyone else? Is this thread your personal link journal?